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usisky:




Peace to you distinguished Paris_Love, the great Christian Mujahideen. You seem to be renowned in the knowledge of ISLAM even more than the Muslims . Well, i am gonna be a FAKE scholar here. I will attempt to give you the answers to the questions you asked.

1) The whole quran was revealed to Muhammad all at once. It was the release of the quran from Muhammad's memory to writing it down and proclaiming it to the people that took 23 three years. and there is a reason to that. God wanted Muhammad and hopefully some of his followers to memorize the quran. Also, the arrangement we find it today was done by Muhammad as he was instructed by GOD through Angel Gabriele's mediation. If it was arranged by other than Muhammad, quite naturally(as anyone would), they would be compelled to arrange it according to the chronological order of revelation. But there is a divine system in the Quran that we can only attribute to a super intelligence. When you go through our websites, the first thing you come in contact with is this divine system in the quran. It is one of the ULTIMATE MIRACLES of the BOOK.

[17:106] A Quran that we have released slowly, in order for you to read it to the people over a long period, although we sent it down all at once.

[25:32] Those who disbelieved said, "Why did not the Quran come through him all at once?" We have released it to you gradually, in order to fix it in your memory. We have recited it in a specific sequence.


The sequence of arrangement is not an error. It was done by Muhammad himself. Forget all the tales you read in HADITHS and other sources. This is SATAN trying hard to divert people from the path of GOD.

2) Muhammad was not an illiterate man. He wrote the Quran. The first revelation(chp. 96) talks about reading/recitation/proclamation. It also talks about God teaching Man by the use of the pen. The Second revelation(chp. 69) talks about the pen and its function. It is clear that you cannot dictate or ask an illiterate person to write anything down. Muhammad was a successful merchant; a merchant at his time could never be illiterate. The quran tells us Muhammad wrote God's word in no uncertain terms. It is the ignorant scholars centuries later who made the claim of Muhammad's illiteracy in order to make it seem he could not have been the author of the book, when people started questioning the authenticity of the Quran. They even had the audacity to distort the meaning of quranic word used to describe Muhammad and claimed this to be their proof. The word "UMMY" does not mean an illiterate as they claimed, this word means a GENTILE. i.e one who does not follow any scripture. When you go through most translations, you would find how GOD exposes this falsehood when they failed to translated all occurrences of this same word in all cases, since they know the verses won't make sense if translated as unlettered. Anyway, ain't got time for that now.

3)The quran was revealed during the 27th night of the Month of Ramadhan. i.e LAITUL QADR(night of destiny)

[97:1] We revealed it in the Night of Destiny.


Muhammad was not ordered to read/recite or squeezed by the Angel three times until he almost lost his breath. He did not run to his wife because he was terrified, there was no need to. These are lies by EVIL people trying to depict GOD as a sadistic, violent and wicked being. The angel Gabriel usually appears in the form a human being to Muhammad and help give the details of the message which was already placed in his heart. No human being has ever seen an Angel in their true form. When God sends Angels to the prophets, the come in human form. Unfortunately, the story tellers have messed up this quranic truth to some people who believe them. And they come in peace, and not to terrify the messengers. It was the case with MARY([url=http://submission.org/QI#19%3A17-18]19:17-18[/url]), LOT([url=http://submission.org/QI#11%3A77-81]11:77-81[/url]), ABRAHAM([url=http://submission.org/QI#11%3A69-70]11:69-70[/url]) etcetera. Why would it be different in Muhammad's case?

[6:8] They also said, "If only an angel could come down with him!" Had we sent an angel, the whole matter would have been terminated, and they would no longer be respited.

Man, it was not the same Gabriel which appeared to Mary that appeared to Muhammad. Their messages were not the same.

usisky:




Peace to you distinguished Paris_Love, the great Christian Mujahideen. You seem to be renowned in the knowledge of ISLAM even more than the Muslims . Well, i am gonna be a FAKE scholar here. I will attempt to give you the answers to the questions you asked.

1) The whole quran was revealed to Muhammad all at once. It was the release of the quran from Muhammad's memory to writing it down and proclaiming it to the people that took 23 three years. and there is a reason to that. God wanted Muhammad and hopefully some of his followers to memorize the quran. Also, the arrangement we find it today was done by Muhammad as he was instructed by GOD through Angel Gabriele's mediation. If it was arranged by other than Muhammad, quite naturally(as anyone would), they would be compelled to arrange it according to the chronological order of revelation. But there is a divine system in the Quran that we can only attribute to a super intelligence. When you go through our websites, the first thing you come in contact with is this divine system in the quran. It is one of the ULTIMATE MIRACLES of the BOOK.

[17:106] A Quran that we have released slowly, in order for you to read it to the people over a long period, although we sent it down all at once.

[25:32] Those who disbelieved said, "Why did not the Quran come through him all at once?" We have released it to you gradually, in order to fix it in your memory. We have recited it in a specific sequence.


The sequence of arrangement is not an error. It was done by Muhammad himself. Forget all the tales you read in HADITHS and other sources. This is SATAN trying hard to divert people from the path of GOD.

2) Muhammad was not an illiterate man. He wrote the Quran. The first revelation(chp. 96) talks about reading/recitation/proclamation. It also talks about God teaching Man by the use of the pen. The Second revelation(chp. 69) talks about the pen and its function. It is clear that you cannot dictate or ask an illiterate person to write anything down. Muhammad was a successful merchant; a merchant at his time could never be illiterate. The quran tells us Muhammad wrote God's word in no uncertain terms. It is the ignorant scholars centuries later who made the claim of Muhammad's illiteracy in order to make it seem he could not have been the author of the book, when people started questioning the authenticity of the Quran. They even had the audacity to distort the meaning of quranic word used to describe Muhammad and claimed this to be their proof. The word "UMMY" does not mean an illiterate as they claimed, this word means a GENTILE. i.e one who does not follow any scripture. When you go through most translations, you would find how GOD exposes this falsehood when they failed to translated all occurrences of this same word in all cases, since they know the verses won't make sense if translated as unlettered. Anyway, ain't got time for that now.

3)The quran was revealed during the 27th night of the Month of Ramadhan. i.e LAITUL QADR(night of destiny)

[97:1] We revealed it in the Night of Destiny.


Muhammad was not ordered to read/recite or squeezed by the Angel three times until he almost lost his breath. He did not run to his wife because he was terrified, there was no need to. These are lies by EVIL people trying to depict GOD as a sadistic, violent and wicked being. The angel Gabriel usually appears in the form a human being to Muhammad and help give the details of the message which was already placed in his heart. No human being has ever seen an Angel in their true form. When God sends Angels to the prophets, the come in human form. Unfortunately, the story tellers have messed up this quranic truth to some people who believe them. And they come in peace, and not to terrify the messengers. It was the case with MARY([url=http://submission.org/QI#19%3A17-18]19:17-18[/url]), LOT([url=http://submission.org/QI#11%3A77-81]11:77-81[/url]), ABRAHAM([url=http://submission.org/QI#11%3A69-70]11:69-70[/url]) etcetera. Why would it be different in Muhammad's case?

[6:8] They also said, "If only an angel could come down with him!" Had we sent an angel, the whole matter would have been terminated, and they would no longer be respited.

The history of Muhammad is re-written on 25th December 2012 to cover the errors in the quran. Great! Great! Great!

In my own opinion, quran was not from the true God. The Devil sat for a long time planning to oppose God and deceive mankind after Jesus death. After about 650 years Jesus had gone, he chose Muhammad to implement his well planned strategies.

Because he (satan) is not all-knowing, errors and inconsistencies are found his revelations. He thought is perfect but the Holy Ghost exposed him.

Please refer to these threads: 'The Meaning of Al-Quran' and 'Allah's Teaching' for more.

Sweetnecta: @pointblank 123: first, the Quran is unlike any book of religion. it is not a once upon a time storyteller. all of its words is from Allah. and the word Iqra has many meaning based on its contextual usage. a reciter of Quran is called Qari, a derivative of IQRA. a recited part/portion is Qirat. Iqra can also mean proclaim. So Iqra is not just read, always. But it is also recite, proclaim.

and as to the verses not being in order of revelation is an attestation to the miracle of the book. before it was a book, it was named a book based on chapter 2 verse 2.In spite of the arrangements, each word, verse, chapter, flows perfectly to the other that you could not have had a better arrangement. every chapter flows from the chapter before it and flows to the chapter after it. i hope you know that this book is not a once upon a time storyteller book, like the others.


God taught man speech. God taught man how to write, read. Or is there anything useful in your life that you taught yourself and God is not The True Teacher?


reading, writing by pen was not addressed only to Muhammad [sa] about God, but addressing mankind in general telling them as affirmation that God is The Teacher of those things [reading, penmanship, etc including knowledge] man find useful. Read the verses and notice that they talk about mankind, believers and non believers and not just Muhammad [sa]


if there is an error, let us know. God taught man speech. recitation is a speech form. Reading is a speech form. Singing is a speech form.


before god created man, man was nothing. if you say man was dirt and that means something to you, please realize that God created dirt and before that there was no dirt, hence man was nothing.

@Tbaba and others.

I want to believe the purpose of this type of debate is to help ourselves discover the truth to take the right decision. Banning people for saying the truth is a sign that you have something to hide in islam. When did you see anybody banned in the christians' section? It is because there is nothing to hide. Yet we have the muslims writing a lot to criticize christianity. Avoiding the truth is self-deception as God cannot be deceived.

It is only for the purpose of argument you can say ''reading'' is the same as ''reciting''. Everybody in every part of the world knows that reading is the opposite of reciting.

The revelations were given to Muhammad orally for memorization. The truth remains that Gabriel told a lie for forcing Muhammad to read when he did not come with any written paper. If Muhammad was commanded to recite as you are wrogly claiming, would a 40 year-old man not be able to do ''repeat after me''? Why was he punished if he recited after Gabriel?

''Who taught (to write) with pen''. It is true this statement was not meant for Muhammad alone. But it is also true that it included him too. Therefore the question still remains - Was Muhammad able to read and write after Allah has taught him? If no, Allah told a lie here.

Can the True God tell a lie? If lies are found in one or two verses of the Quran, how are we sure the rest are not lies as well? How is the Quran without errors and discripancies as claimed by the muslims?

Anyway I leave the rest to you people.