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Pecuman:
Faith doesn't require you to believe in something without proof.

Just look how the word is used outside of the religious context.

Faith is a synonym to Trust.

Ah but we are talking about faith in a religious sense

Logic007:
Ah but we are talking about faith in a religious sense

No. You are talking about religious faith as you and many seem to understand it.

Matthew 7 is all about the sort of faith one should have. It says how one should do research in order to have a solid foundation for ones faith and shows the folly of faith built on my ignorance.

If you consider Jesus teaching science, as in, use your senses science, you might see it as such. It is after all the reason he was an eye (senses) opening optician.

budaatum:
No. You are talking about religious faith as you and many seem to understand it.

Matthew 7 is all about the sort of faith one should have. It says how one should do research in order to have a solid foundation for ones faith and shows the folly of faith built on my ignorance.

If you consider Jesus teaching science, as in, use your senses science, you might see it as such. It is after all the reason he was an eye (senses) opening optician.

Nonsense.

Stop trying to redefine faith.

There are taking snakes, talking donkeys, witches, zombies and ghosts in the bible. That is the kind of thing faith makes you believe in

Logic007:
Nonsense.

Stop trying to redefine faith.

There are taking snakes, talking donkeys, witches, zombies and ghosts in the bible. That is the kind of thing faith makes you believe in

Tell the truth, Logic007. Your kind of faith makes you believe that buda believes in "taking snakes, talking donkeys, witches, zombies and ghosts in the bible", so you can't be bothered to check the foundation of your faith.

budaatum:
No, I do not mean "BELIEVE SCIENTIST"!

I mean do not believe anything or anyone at all, and use your own God given senses like the Scientist Jesus Christ taught you to instead of allowing yourself to be transmitted to like a senseless sheepie!

God put a brain in your head and gave you senses, so use them or lose them.

Logic007:
FALSE.
Most scientists today are atheists.

Most lab attendants maybe. 99% impact is by Christians.

Standing5:
Most lab attendants maybe. 99% impact is by Christians.

LIES.

budaatum:
Tell the truth, Logic007. Your kind of faith makes you believe that buda believes in "taking snakes, talking donkeys, witches, zombies and ghosts in the bible", so you can't be bothered to check the foundation of your faith.

You are a christian and so, you must believe in talking snakes and the other trash.

Logic007:
You are a christian and so, you must believe in talking snakes and the other trash.

I must? Lol. Are you God who says what buda "must" or are you just a believer who believes buda is a Christian and you can't be bothered to check your belief.

Your error is similar to the one a fellow believer like you made here.

Follow the conversation to see how my Lordreed appropriately reacted to a believer like yourself.

budaatum:
I must? Lol. Are you God who says what buda "must" or are you just a believer who believes buda is a Christian and you can't be bothered to check your belief.

Your error is similar to the one a fellow believer like you made here.

Follow the conversation to see how my Lordreed appropriately reacted to a believer like yourself.

See this "progressive" christian. What kind of christian does not believe in the supernatural?

Logic007:
See this "progressive" christian. What kind of christian does not believe in the supernatural?

Why are you such a lousy believer?

Don't you know believing is regressive, like stunt growth regressive?

Logic007:
Heretics?

Galileo was a Christian who was persecuted by the church for his science

Then why wasn't Copernicus and the Polish Heliocentrists that developed around his theories persecuted as well?.

Image123:
Not even talking about Christians or the West. Talking about the world generally and religion. He says intelligent and prosperous people and nations are not serious. He should count the number of doctors and professors in his school and tell me the number that are professing atheists. After that, he should go and count the number of house owners, car owners and business owners in his neighborhood and give me the justification for this spurious tales.

I think it was some swedish researcher that showed that religiosity is positively correlated with moderate financial well being (like upper middle class) and correlates well also to other indicators of success like consienciousness and discipline.

But the extremes of financial success I think in the West at least correlates with Atheism but not too well, Chuck Feeney is still alive and was a Billionaire Christian but donated off all his wealth so no longer registers. So maybe the better correlation would be the extremely financially successful who are also intentionally publicly visible tend to be Atheist.

Logic007:
See this "progressive" christian. What kind of christian does not believe in the supernatural?

While I myself am not a progressive Christian. People that react this way to progressive Christians are people that don't know anything about the history of Protestantism since the reformation.

Pecuman:
While I myself am not a progressive Christian. People that react this way to progressive Christians are people that don't know anything about the history of Protestantism since the reformation.

Actually, they do not know about human beings, period.

I'll stick to Bible for this since the knowledge of most is limited to it.

Adam was not progressive. Left to him humans will be naked and obedient slaves in the Garden of Eden, but for Progressive Eve who decided to use her own senses to do some science to check if she should continue to ignorantly believe that she would surely die on the day that she eats of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And the rest, as they say, is history, though mythology would be more accurate.

What Eve found was that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, and the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons and they became free from slavery and became self employed, and went on to live for 900 or so years and populate the earth with humans who are on the way to Mars.

The thing is, humans are mostly progressive. And societies of humans that do not progress wallow in the Garden of backward nations like Nigeria until they become dodo or they eat the fruits of knowledge and start seeking for the tree of life so they may live instead.

Logic007:
Lies. Christians cannot accept science that challenges their faith.

i am yet to see science that challenges faith. They are two different realms.

Logic007:
Those are facts. Don't get hung up on semantics.

Atheism is the most popular 'belief' among American scientists

Are you confused? Your picture says 51% of scientists in US either believe in God or a higher power. You say only poor people in Africa believe in God. Do you read at all? Is your boss religious and all the successful people around you, are they religious? All your teachers from nursery school to whatever class you reached, how many of them are not religious? Stop arguing blindly please. You obviously do not know more than what you read on the internet and what you read so far does not support your claim. People are religious all over the world, both in developed countries of every continent and in the world of science, education, research and power globally. Wake up, atheism are a very minority percentage. The point again are not the numbers but the fact that their religions did not stop them from development, find another excuse.

Image123:
i am yet to see science that challenges faith. They are two different realms.

Evolution?

Logic007:
Evolution?

Evolution doesn't challenge faith, don't bring up the spurious versions BTW.