If the Presidency could come out boldly to identify with a known extremist then those of you still talking about one Nigeria are even more miserable than the Nigerian State itself.
According to the Nigerian Minister of Defense Mashir Magashi, Nigeria is ''BLEEDING'' but then, if you confront liar Muhammad with such statement credited to one of their Minister, he (liar Muhammad) would probably have something else to tell you.
And it's equally reported that bandits has sacked a military base in Niger State and abducted 15 persons and some moronic slowpoke zombies still believe that all is well, leaves much to be desired.

Wondering why people blame FG, politicians for their lives woes?

What impact would sacking of Pantami have in the average lives of Nigerians?

Zombies will crawl out to defend their master on this thread even on empty stomach.

Monogamy:
Wondering why people blame FG, politicians for their lives woes?

What impact would sacking of Pantami have in the average lives of Nigerians?

If you're the type that feels Government, politicians & political office holders shouldn't be held accountable when things has gone wrong or is likely to go wrong, I wonder who should be held responsible, maybe yourself. Little wonder the country is where it is with characters such as you.

Whoube99:


If you're the type that feels Government, politicians & political office holders shouldn't be held accountable when things has gone wrong or is likely to go wrong, I wonder who should be held responsible, maybe yourself. Little wonder the country is where it is with characters such as you.

How about some parents that give birth to kids they won't be able to cater for? Are they also not contributing the country problems?

Monogamy:
Wondering why people blame FG, politicians for their lives woes?

What impact would sacking of Pantami have in the average lives of Nigerians?

It will make everyone feel safer and more importantly show that terrorism is not being treated with kid gloves in Nigeria. Is that enough?

Monogamy:
Wondering why people blame FG, politicians for their lives woes?

What impact would sacking of Pantami have in the average lives of Nigerians?

i guess you don't understand what governance is all about..

let me use a case study for you ...Selling of New sim card was banned last year , was that order given by your brother or your sister?

what is the impact?

Today you hear investors are flooding Ghana and SA and they prefer the location over Nigeria.
Think about it yourself, if you are an investor who was about to make a decision between Dec last year and Now, and you realized that those you sent to Nigeria for feasibility study told you that they cannot buy a new Sim card to communicate for almost 4 month... will you still prefer such a country for your investment?

May God help us...

doggedfighter:
Zombies will crawl out to defend their master on this thread even on empty stomach.

One is already above you doing his master's bidding for crumbs

Monogamy:


How about some parents that give birth to kids they won't be able to cater for? Are they also not contributing the country problems?

How about people who hijack our commonwealth to take care of their families? Are they not killing the country?

Agbegbaorogboye:

It will make everyone feel safer and more importantly show that terrorism is not being treated with kid gloves in Nigeria. Is that enough?

If Buhari is a terrorist according to some quarters even if he sacked Pantami won't he replace him with another terrorist that might be dangerous than Pantami?

Agbegbaorogboye:

How about people who hijack our commonwealth to take care of their families? Are they not killing the country?

Is it not the same Nigeria community that is producing those stealing the common wealth?

Have we ever had a discussion about Nigeria community itself?

Whoube99:


If you're the type that feels Government, politicians & political office holders shouldn't be held accountable when things has gone wrong or is likely to go wrong, I wonder who should be held responsible, maybe yourself. Little wonder the country is where it is with characters such as you.

My dear, they are often fast to defend someone because of religion or ethnicity.

The truth is bitter, and that is what very large number of Nigerians hate. Buhari and his party has nothing and absolutely nothing to offer to Nigeria. It is always from one lie to another.

If Buhari can engage Nigerian in a public debate or question and answer, it will go a long way in helping the situation but because he can't, we hear different lies from the Presidency and the minister of lies and deceit.

As the president cannot address common issues in public, how do you think the country is being managed?

There was a report of his driver deceiving him to sign a document. this is to show you how low the President is and no one should expect anything good from him.

Buhari is the problem Nigeria found in search of a solution.

jfking2005:


i guess you don't understand what governance is all about..

let me use a case study for you ...Selling of New sim card was banned last year , was that order given by your brother or your sister?

what is the impact?

Today you hear investors are flooding Ghana and SA and they prefer the location over Nigeria.
Think about it yourself, if you are an investor who was about to make a decision between Dec last year and Now, and you realized that those you sent to Nigeria for feasibility study told you that they cannot buy a new Sim card to communicate for almost 4 month... will you still prefer such a country for your investment?

May God help us...

Na this same Nigeria we dey when people were castigating FG when USA placed sanctions on us for not having clear database of their citizens..

Is NIN registration not part of having database of Nigerians?

Just because we have been doing things in a wrong way shouldn't mean we should continue doing so. Na only zombie dey do that

Monogamy:


Is it not the same Nigeria community that is producing those stealing the common wealth?

Have we ever had a discussion about Nigeria community itself?

Ok let's have a discussion about Nigeria community. Why do we have bandits that we can't locate and identify yet pay ransom to within Nigeria's community?

Agbegbaorogboye:

Ok let's have a discussion about Nigeria community. Why do we have bandits that we can't locate and identify yet pay ransom to within Nigeria's community?

If the community of the affected areas have been playing their roles in exposing those who are behind the killings( The killers live around them), that would have gone a long way to curb the menace.. Why is there no terrorist in Southern Nigeria?

Monogamy:


If Buhari is a terrorist according to some quarters even if he sacked Pantami won't he replace him with another terrorist that might be dangerous than Pantami?

Sacking Pantami is not an internal matter. Let's see how it goes in the coming weeks first.
Besides, if you say Buhari shouldn't replace Pantami because he himself, is a terrorist. It should beg the question why you support him at all? Are you a terrorist yourself?

Agbegbaorogboye:

Sacking Pantami is not an internal matter. Let's see how it goes in the coming weeks first.
Besides, if you say Buhari shouldn't replace Pantami because he himself, is a terrorist. It should beg the question why you support him at all? Are you a terrorist yourself?

I am not in any position to condemn others opinions... Those people claiming Buhari is a terrorist are the same people who said he died long time ago and was replaced with one Jubril.

Following crowds in Nigeria is somehow disastrous

Monogamy:


If the community of the affected areas have been playing their roles in exposing those who are behind the killings( The killers live around them), that would have gone a long way to curb the menace.. Why is there no terrorist in Southern Nigeria?

In other words, according to you, the community love their killers and are ready to do anything to keep them from being exposed. How does that make sense to you? You say no terrorists in southern Nigeria? Remind me what happened in Yewa, ibarapa recently.
Besides, the latest attack in Zamfara, reports say majority killed are the vigilantes the state govt disbanded on request of the bandits.

They are giving the Southerners a good reason to leave the Terrorists Republic.
The Government of Terrorists, by the Terrorists and for the Terrorists is called Terrorcrazy.

If these events don't convince you about leaving the the evil forest then your are a big fool....

Monogamy:


I am not in any position to condemn others opinions... Those people claiming Buhari is a terrorist are the same people who said he died long time ago and was replaced with one Jubril.

Following crowds in Nigeria is somehow disastrous

What relationship does that have with the Pantami matter? Don't bring the Jubril issue in here. We're talking about national security not Jubril tales

Agbegbaorogboye:

In other words, according to you, the community love their killers and are ready to do anything to keep them from being exposed. How does that make sense to you? You say no terrorists in southern Nigeria? Remind me what happened in Yewa, ibarapa recently.
Besides, the latest attack in Zamfara, reports say majority killed are the vigilantes the state govt disbanded on request of the bandits.

Yes, the community dont just harbor the criminals in the areas, they love them and protect them.

Let's talk about the activities of the killer herdsmen in Southern Nigeria.. Do you think those herders just migrate from North and settle down in the bush? No, they are mostly invited by people in the same community which in exchange, the herders pay for temporary stay...

Have we had discussion about the people who are inviting them to settle down in our forest?

Agbegbaorogboye:

What relationship does that have with the Pantami matter? Don't bring the Jubril issue in here. We're talking about national security not Jubril tales

It does have correlation cos those who want us to believe that Buhari is a terrorist also told us long time ago that he was dead...

So why should we believe anything they say including calling Pantami a terrorist

Monogamy:


Yes, the community dont just harbor the criminals in the areas, they love them and protect them.

Let's talk about the activities of the killer herdsmen in Southern Nigeria.. Do you think those herders just migrate from North and settle down in the bush? No, they are mostly invited by people in the same community which in exchange, the herders pay for temporary stay...

Have we had discussion about the people who are inviting them to settle down in our forest?

Who are the people inviting them to settle in our forest? Last I checked, when Ondo governor ordered them out of forest reserves, a certain presidency came out guns blazing, asking them to stay put. So, if you can identify those asking them to stay in southern forests, pls do.
You made a statement of fact that communities in the north love their killers, harbour and protect them. Can you substantiate that? Cause it differs very strongly from my own personal experience. I'll be waiting.

I knew that our president will turn it to political campaign for 2023. He is just trying to use every sensitive issue to impress and to get sympathy from the northerners but those northerners themselves forgot that they are the ones feelings the heat most.

Monogamy:


It does have correlation cos those who want us to believe that Buhari is a terrorist also told us long time ago that he was dead...

So why should we believe anything they say including calling Pantami a terrorist

Who are the "those"? Pls don't bring this discussion low to the level of tribe. I'll simply drop it. I believe we're discussing national security here.
And FYI, there are Yorubas who actually believe the Jubril story too. I was in Ilorin once and a group of people ended up with that conclusion.
Besides, Pantami and the presidency have come out to say it's ICT firms that are labelling him a terrorist. So it's either you're not well informed, or Pantami and the presidency are lying. Which is it?

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I intentionally opted not to joined words with him any further because of his level of perception toward issues of national discuss. I wouldn't know how old he is, because he reasons and sound more like a toddler, and on that strength, I've decided to ignored his subsequent post.

Agbegbaorogboye:

Who are the people inviting them to settle in our forest? Last I checked, when Ondo governor ordered them out of forest reserves, a certain presidency came out guns blazing, asking them to stay put. So, if you can identify those asking them to stay in southern forests, pls do.
You made a statement of fact that communities in the north love their killers, harbour and protect them. Can you substantiate that? Cause it differs very strongly from my own personal experience. I'll be waiting.

Average Nigerians are not ready to have honest conversation about things that have been drawing us back?

I asked you, do you think those herders just migrate from North and settle down in the forest or are you saying they always have government backing to settle down in the forest.

If the latter is the case, does it mean past presidents have also been in support of herders to settle down anywhere they like?Their migration did not start 5 years ago.

You see, same way Northerners pampered the Boko Haram when they first emerged thinking they were fighting for them is the same way Easterners are pampering UGM thinking they are fighting for them.

The only possible solution to our problems is to start election credible people to represent us, even if you want a country of your own, it's your representatives that will present the motion at the upper house..

Aba city just concluded House of reps bye election recorded less than 20k votes, that is in a city of 1million plus.

If we like, we can complain from now till eternity, if the community are not playing their roles, if individuals can not be part of the change we have been clamouring for, then our long way to go is far more than Kuvuki land

Monogamy:


It does have correlation cos those who want us to believe that Buhari is a terrorist also told us long time ago that he was dead...

So why should we believe anything they say including calling Pantami a terrorist

It is the same group of people behind "Lekki Massacre", the same ones behind "Acttivist" Sunday Igboho, behind Sasha killing of hausas in Ibadan, the same ones who first came out to say the US has placed Pantami on a terror watchlist. Buhari and the North now understands the game and eagerly waits for the next sponsored propaganda that will eventually turn out to be false. It can be as soon as today. It is the gullible pawns who aren't aware they are pawns that I pity. They cannot blackmail the President. They can keep trying.

Agbegbaorogboye:

Who are the "those"? Pls don't bring this discussion low to the level of tribe. I'll simply drop it. I believe we're discussing national security here.
And FYI, there are Yorubas who actually believe the Jubril story too. I was in Ilorin once and a group of people ended up with that conclusion.
Besides, Pantami and the presidency have come out to say it's ICT firms that are labelling him a terrorist. So it's either you're not well informed, or Pantami and the presidency are lying. Which is it?

I really don't like back and forth argument...

If the Presidency could come out boldly to identify with a known extremist

That's the starting of the message from the op, a known terrorist yet you are asking me who are "those".

Don't be quarter clever

AMINDA:


It is the same group of people behind "Lekki Massacre", the same ones behind "Acttivist" Sunday Igboho, behind Sasha killing of hausas in Ibadan, the same ones who first came out to say the US has placed Pantami on a terror watchlist. Buhari and the North now understands the game and eagerly waits for the next sponsored propaganda that will eventually turn out to be false. It can be as soon as today. It is the gullible pawns who aren't aware they are pawns that I pity. They cannot blackmail the President. They can keep trying.

The now have new organization.. It's called HAN..

Haters Association of Nigeria.

Qualifications for their members;

-You must be ingrained with hatred.

- Anyone with contrary opinions from yours must been seen as a threat.

- Anything to batter the image of Nigeria is a very important credentials you must possessed.

- You must possessed bring them down syndrome even though it's not going to add any value to their lives

Monogamy:


Average Nigerians are not ready to have honest conversation about things that have been drawing us back?

I asked you, do you think those herders just migrate from North and settle down in the forest or are you saying they always have government backing to settle down in the forest.

If the latter is the case, does it mean past presidents have also been in support of herders to settle down anywhere they like?Their migration did not start 5 years ago.

You see, same way Northerners pampered the Boko Haram when they first emerged thinking they were fighting for them is the same way Easterners are pampering UGM thinking they are fighting for them.

The only possible solution to our problems is to start election credible people to represent us, even if you want a country of your own, it's your representatives that will present the motion at the upper house..

Aba city just concluded House of reps election recorded less than 20k votes, that is in a city of 1million plus.

If we like, we can complain from now till eternity, if the community are not playing their roles, if individuals can not be part of the change we have been clamouring for, then our long way to go is far more than Kuvuki land

It seems you've not read the constitution. Anyway, the question you asked, I've not seen an invitation letter from ibarapa people tendered by wakili and that seriki Fulani. If you have seen it let me have a copy.
You say their migration to the south did not start five years ago. Very correct!! Just as emigration of Yorubas and Igbos in their thousands to the remotest part of the North did not start five years ago too, and let me add, the northerners never wrote an invitation letter to them too.
But let me tell you what started five years ago. The alejo started killing the onile. And the government showed open support for the alejo.
BH was supported by the northern elites. Funny enough, the UGM as you call it can't boast of support from the political elites of the East.
You think elections are a solution to our problems? We had one in 2015 to usher in change. Here we are.

Agbegbaorogboye:


It seems you've not read the constitution. Anyway, the question you asked, I've not seen an invitation letter from ibarapa people tendered by wakili and that seriki Fulani. If you have seen it let me have a copy.
You say their migration to the south did not start five years ago. Very correct!! Just as emigration of Yorubas and Igbos in their thousands to the remotest part of the North did not start five years ago too, and let me add, the northerners never wrote an invitation letter to them too.
But let me tell you what started five years ago. The alejo started killing the onile. And the government showed open support for the alejo.
BH was supported by the northern elites. Funny enough, the UGM as you call it can't boast of support from the political elites of the East.
You think elections are a solution to our problems? We had one in 2015 to usher in change. Here we are.

There is no two way about election...

And Nigeria is not breaking anytime soon...

You can take the two for cash out at bank..