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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 8:48am On Jun 21, 2021
Ibime:
Yeah, we know how Iniesta won after Xavi left, going a full calendar year with zero goal and zero assist.

We should credit the Spanish Kovacic for MSN work

You people should fear God.
Ogbeni, don't disrespect Kovacic. grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by swiz123(m): 8:49am On Jun 21, 2021
donstan18:
I like the fact that you placed Mount and Neymar together for the comparison.

Generational talent grin
You nearly made him a Mushin talent by comparing him to a CM. Not that I think otherwise though
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 8:49am On Jun 21, 2021
Havertz10:
when Fabregas was asked to pick one between xavi and iniesta, he described the choice as being similar to picking one between his mum or dad

They both needed each other to excel, they made barca great, messi gets all the praise but his supply chain came from their factory
I'm not concerned with narrative, stories or a player playing politics being asked to pick between friends

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donstan18: 8:49am On Jun 21, 2021
Havertz10:
when Fabregas was asked to pick one between xavi and iniesta, he described the choice as being similar to picking one between his mum or dad

They both needed each other to excel, they made barca great, messi gets all the praise but his supply chain came from their factory
Fact!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Havertz10: 8:49am On Jun 21, 2021
thorrvik55:
How can u mention "individually", Iniesta and Ozil in thesame sentence??

Individually, how many attacking midfielders were better than Ozil in his prime? cheesy cheesy
iniesta was better, lets look at clutch moments, when it mattered, when a player is playing at the peak of their powers, ozil never stood out but ineista was dominating teams and never staying in one place, always making himself available for a pass, ozil is a specialty merchant, very good at certain things but he wasn't a maestro
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donstan18: 8:50am On Jun 21, 2021
swiz123:
You nearly made him a Mushin talent by comparing him to a CM. Not that I think otherwise though
We were arguing about Inesta, you brought in Mount. I did the needed and here you are, talking about Mushin.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by swiz123(m): 8:51am On Jun 21, 2021
thorrvik55:
That's the tin.. One is a deep lying playmaker while the other is supposed to be an attacking midfielder!!
Iniesta was never the traditional AM we know.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Havertz10: 8:53am On Jun 21, 2021
Ibime:
I'm not concerned with narrative, stories or a player playing politics being asked to pick between friends
you can't compare both abeg, there are certain players that are greater than G/A iniesta, xavi, pirlo and a very select few are like that

They wouldn't get many goals and assists but they are creating plays that leads to goals for their team
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Amoto94(m): 8:54am On Jun 21, 2021
Havertz10:
iniesta was better, lets look at clutch moments, when it mattered, when a player is playing at the peak of their powers, ozil never stood out but ineista was dominating teams and never staying in one place, always making himself available for a pass, ozil is a specialty merchant, very good at certain things but he wasn't a maestro
I remember Ozil Humiliating Brazil, Argentina and England in two World Cup Finals in the knockout rounds and almost assisting Arsenal to league title if not for the uselessness of the club.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by thorrvik55(m): 8:54am On Jun 21, 2021
Havertz10:
iniesta was better, lets look at clutch moments, when it mattered, when a player is playing at the peak of their powers, ozil never stood out but ineista was dominating teams and never staying in one place, always making himself available for a pass, ozil is a specialty merchant, very good at certain things but he wasn't a maestro
They were both attacking midfielders, right?

What are attacking midfielders primary duty? Activity forming like Kovacic or output?

I like Iniesta as a player and don't want to resort to dragging him but in terms of "individually" ehn, Ozil and Iniesta no be mate at all..
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 8:55am On Jun 21, 2021
Havertz10:
iniesta was better, lets look at clutch moments, when it mattered
When it mattered, Mount > KDB.

You cannot be useless the whole season, make an assist in the final and claim you were there when it mattered.

Who brought you to the final?

If you take an unproductive player to 3 finals a year, he will also be there when it mattered. Even Marcos Asensio, Lars Ricken and co scored when they took them to final.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by thorrvik55(m): 8:56am On Jun 21, 2021
swiz123:
Iniesta was never the traditional AM we know.
Traditional ko, spiritual ni?

What's the job of an AM? cheesy cheesy

Iniesta was lucky to play in teams that did not rely on him for creativity despite the fact that he was an AM!!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by hensben(m): 8:57am On Jun 21, 2021
thorrvik55:
I swear!! Mesut Ozil is one very very underated player..

Leaving Madrid and moving to Arsenal in his prime did him no favours at all.
Ozil was very good, individually he is better than iniesta. But then again iniesta success with Barca will make some persons think otherwise. Just as some people here are rating bousq due to team success. A defensive midfielder that is a liability defensively, he was not the orchestrator xavi was, he only turn like snail and give short and simple pass to xavi or side way pass to alvez. There was a reason bousq was not recognized by football governing body even when he played for a dominant team.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nobody: 8:57am On Jun 21, 2021
airmark:
Lordfalcao will slap you for this lie. grin
even the madman used the term, "we" are many

Some people carry legion for body na
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by swiz123(m): 8:57am On Jun 21, 2021
Ibime:
Iniesta - 270/867 = 0.31

Xavi - 357/988 = 0.36

Nigga I can't divide.

Let's not forget one is the deeplying midfielder (Xavi) who controls the possession game with 100 passes while the other is the advanced midfielder (Iniesta) who contributes little to the possession game with 60 passes per game.

I bake cake for you, you are supposed to put the icing on the cake, yet I still put more icing on the cake than you.
If my memory serves me right, I think it was you that argued that Lampard is not an AM but a CM.

Barca played a 4-1-2-3. Busquet at DM with Iniesta and Xavi the two CM. While Iniesta probbed further than Xavi, it is also wrong to call him a pure AM cos both of them press equally in Midfield
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Havertz10: 8:57am On Jun 21, 2021
Amoto94:
I remember Ozil Humiliating Brazil, Argentina and England in two World Cup Finals in the knockout rounds and almost assisting Arsenal to league title if not for the uselessness of the club.
kross played a role in that game, Germany played well, ozil wasn't even the standout performer

Ozil isn't a clutch player
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nobody: 8:59am On Jun 21, 2021
airmark:
You can only deceive yourself by feigning ignorance of the reasons behind what knocked his value down.

You heard Mou wanted to buy him for 15m from Aparisports sports news at 7, right? grin
"aparisports" way never even make front page NL undecided
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 8:59am On Jun 21, 2021
donstan18:
We were arguing about Inesta, you brought in Mount. I did the needed and here you are, talking about Mushin.
grin

You guys don't want me to sleep again.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by hensben(m):
thorrvik55:
Traditional ko, spiritual ni?

What's the job of an AM? cheesy cheesy

Iniesta was lucky to play in teams that did not rely on him for creativity despite the fact that he was an AM!!
He was lucky to have a player like messi who is a play maker and also a goal scorer. Imagine iniesta in Madrid and he is to feed cr7 like ozil.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Trevor012(m): 8:59am On Jun 21, 2021
Who even started this lie of Iniesta being an attacking Midfielder

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by thorrvik55(m): 9:02am On Jun 21, 2021
hensben:
He was luck to have a player like messi who is a play maker and also a goal scorer. Imagine iniesta in Madrid and he is to feed cr7 like ozil.
Lol.. That'll be like playing Kovacic in AM and expecting him to feed Ronaldo grin grin

Activity forming with no output!!
True definition of a carry-along.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 9:02am On Jun 21, 2021
Havertz10:
you can't compare both abeg, there are certain players that are greater than G/A iniesta, xavi, pirlo and a very select few are like that

They wouldn't get many goals and assists but they are creating plays that leads to goals for their team
Go and check Xavi and Pirlo passing stats in comparison to their teammates.

The first two are deep lying midfielders whose primary job is reflected in their passing stats. Iniesta is an AM with paltry passing stats and still being outscored and outassisted handsomely by his deeplying midfielders.

Iniesta the only AM in the world where GA doesn't matter. Oya show us his passing stats, or does that not matter?

What is he good for? Forming activity like Kovacic?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 9:02am On Jun 21, 2021
thorrvik55:
Traditional ko, spiritual ni?

What's the job of an AM? cheesy cheesy

Iniesta was lucky to play in teams that did not rely on him for creativity despite the fact that he was an AM!!
When their lies are exposed, they will start using ludicrous adjectives. grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by NinjaMetahuman: 9:03am On Jun 21, 2021
thorrvik55:
I swear!! Mesut Ozil is one very very underated player..

Leaving Madrid and moving to Arsenal in his prime did him no favours at all.
he even carried arsenal for years and they became mid table team when his form dropped.


I feel like he should have gotten more hype with those numbers.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by swiz123(m): 9:06am On Jun 21, 2021
thorrvik55:
Traditional ko, spiritual ni?

What's the job of an AM? cheesy cheesy

Iniesta was lucky to play in teams that did not rely on him for creativity despite the fact that he was an AM!!.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 9:06am On Jun 21, 2021
hensben:
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Busquets na suegbe DM. Very lucky mofo. grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by hensben(m):
thorrvik55:
Lol.. That'll be like playing Kovacic in AM and expecting him to feed Ronaldo grin grin

Activity forming with no output!!
True definition of a carry-along.
He was hugging the ball too much due to ball possession they played, probably it was part of the tactics to make ball possession effective so I can not really fault him. Messi was the one doing ozil work for Barca and also scoring, he was the one orchestrating offensive play that resulted to goals. Messi is god Abeg.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 9:07am On Jun 21, 2021
Trevor012:
Who even started this lie of Iniesta being an attacking Midfielder
Transfermarkt only put you as an AM if you play in a 4-2-3-1. Their positioning is arbitrary.

Lampard is also positioned as a CM in transfermarkt, same as Iniesta. Let's compare like for like na.

When you are useless at your primary role, you will start denying your position like Simon Peter the son of Jonah.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by swiz123(m): 9:07am On Jun 21, 2021
Trevor012:
Who even started this lie of Iniesta being an attacking Midfielder
Brotherly, thanks. I was beginning to get confused myself.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 9:09am On Jun 21, 2021
Ibime:
Transfermarkt only put you as an AM if you play in a 4-2-3-1. Their positioning is arbitrary.

Lampard is also positioned as a CM in transfermarkt, same as Iniesta. Let's compare like for like na.

When you are useless at your primary role, you will start denying your position like Simon Peter the son of Jonah.
You are just tidying all loose ends with ease. grin

It will be suicidal for them to move to Lampard vs Iniesta. What a trap !!! grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Havertz10: 9:12am On Jun 21, 2021
Ibime:
When it mattered, Mount > KDB.

You cannot be useless the whole season, make an assist in the final and claim you were there when it mattered.

Who brought you to the final?

If you take an unproductive player to 3 finals a year, he will also be there when it mattered. Even Marcos Asensio, Lars Ricken and co scored when they took them to final.
that article is dated 2015

Ineista was 32, let's be realistic abeg


Wetin mount dey find for high quality players conversation, mount's assist at that final doesn't count, e be like wizkid Grammy award, aided passengers
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donstan18: 9:13am On Jun 21, 2021
Kovacic dey en lane, bullet still fly catch am.

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