donstan18:
After a full season, Na only games with Crystal Palace and Fulham Fraudvertz fanboiz dey use call am intelligent.

This is a player that cost Chelsea 75m+

They signed him 75m+ to show his worth against Crystal Palace and Fulham.

Havertz10:
if kimmich followed havertz movement, he would have easily tapped in that goal, it's not havertz fault that he moved late

Using the final position of kimmich to argue against havertz's intention is comical, where did the ball drop after havertz's touch? In front of goal or on the line?

User09:


Of course u know the ball didnt land properly on his foot.

I mean u did see the stretch, didnt u?

MorataFC:
Why will Chelsea want to break Bank for Haaland if they have Lukaku in their team and what do u think we need Rice for if we have KDB?

izzou:


I'm sure he didn't want to pass to Kimmich.

But watch it again. If he was aiming for goal, he would have just played it in. Nothing would have stopped that.

In my opinion, he wanted to keep the ball off the keeper, hoping someone would slot it in.

It definitely wasn't a deliberate pass to anybody, but it doesn't look like a missed chance

nihilistjnr:


There is no single point in that sequence where Havertz even looks at Kimmich before he takes his shot. Pic 1 below is the start of the sequence. You can see that Havertz is in front of Kimmich looking at the ball.

He called for the ball at the near post and then ran there to make the shot. The first time he sees Kimmich is after he turned to omo iya teacher and kicked the ball to throwin. He didnt even know Kimmich was there to pass to. Funny thing is that Kimmich was unmaked all through, so Havertz hadn't called for the ball, Gosens should have sent to Kimmich at the far post for an easy tap in.

However it's clear that Germany were targeting that channel. Havertz had been making that run to the near post all game, and it's from that exact position that he scored his goal.

He missed his shot, that's a normal thing. But see where Kimmich went to rescue the ball...who creates a 'chance' to there?

Alaye dont piss on us and call it rain. Ah an.

Ibime:



Get your stories straight. Your friend below is saying it's because he had to stretch so he misdirected the pass, you are saying it's because Kimmich didn't move.

Go and confer and come back with a story that matches.

User09:


Of course u know the ball didnt land properly on his foot.

I mean u did see the stretch, didnt u?

Havertz10:
you can't separate events

Let me help you

Havertz was played out of position under Lampard

He caught covid 19 and his perfomance tanked

Everybody called him a flop


Tuchel came and changed his position, his game play improved and he started to influence games more and score goals

Champions league final was the crowning moment of his turn around

At the euro it was obvious that he wasn't the same guy that he was under Lampard

Learn to assess situations properly, it's a very useful skill, you can easily spot progressions and fuel it

Ibime:


You are open to the fact he misdirected the pass due to having to stretch but you are not open to the fact that he misdirected the shot due to the stretch.

Continue!

User09:


Nowhere did I say that.

All i said was the precision would have been better if he connected with the ball properly. I emphasized the word stretch

Havertz10:
havertz missed a chance he created

Who called for the ball? Whose movement made it happen?

How many goals has havertz created with his movement out of nowhere? Fulham, crystal palace, champions league final

Ibime:


The precision would have been better

If his pass is imprecise, you mean he misdirected it?

Now you won't tell us why he can't in the same vein have misdirected his shot only for Kimmich to rescue it.

User09:


A gigantic hole in your argument.

Footballers dont need to look or see their players to know where they are on the pitch

donstan18:


When last did you access Mount properly by giving him the credit he deserves?

nihilistjnr:


Ogbeni stop it

You mean somebody in this position here is trying to pass to somebody behind him that he cannot even see?

I mean....

Havertz10:
I gave him credit for the liverpool goal, gave him credit for the sacking of Lampard, if I can find a position for mount that will utilize his skills, I will support him


My problem is mount playing as a 10 with only 3 open play assists in 70games

I want us to win things and we can't if mount is the creative cog of the team

Didn't you watch the FA cup final, how many chances did mount create? We have lost 2 finals because of his limitations, if havertz didn't make that run, who knows if we would have beaten man city that day, football is a game of fine margins, coronavirus crises has gifted us a good player, and I will drag anybody that wants to hinder the progress of the club

timbros:


This is why people, especially Donstan, always attack your opinions and it will look as if they don't like their players. You go to the extreme, even sounding ridiculous, to make your point.

Why will Havertz, from point blank range, want to assist or create chance for Kimmich who is at the back of the post? Can Kimmich score from that angle he gave that pass? Did Low or UEFA forbid Havertz to score from that position? Why I asked is because anyone that make that intelligent run that Havertz made and got the ball in that position, his only thought will be to score, nothing else. That is exactly what Havertz wanted to do - to score. And he miscued his shot which, thankfully, Kimmich scooped back.

Let us for a sec assume Havertz really had in mind to create chance for Kimmich. I that case, his decision making should be questioned big time. He has absolutely no business passing that ball in that position. He should score a goal 99 out of 100 times in that exact situation.

But knowing how intelligent Havertz is, he never intended to pass that ball. He was just unfortunate to miscue his effort (that 1 miss out of 100) which Kimmich helped him corrected.

You give intelligent analysis sometimes but when it get to Havertz matter, you just.... I don't know what to say sef. You just troway your brain

nihilistjnr:


Bro that's the exact same position he scored from

How come he wasn't trying to create the chance for Muller then?

It's the same position he ran to when Portugal scored that own goal

We know the nigga was clearly trying to score and missed it, it happens to every player.

But to fraudulently spin it as an assist

My God

timbros:


This is why people, especially Donstan, always attack your opinions and it will look as if they don't like their players. You go to the extreme, even sounding ridiculous, to make your point.

Why will Havertz, from point blank range, want to assist or create chance for Kimmich who is at the back of the post? Can Kimmich score from that angle he gave that pass? Did Low or UEFA forbid Havertz to score from that position? Why I asked is because anyone that make that intelligent run that Havertz made and got the ball in that position, his only thought will be to score, nothing else. That is exactly what Havertz wanted to do - to score. And he miscued his shot which, thankfully, Kimmich scooped back.

Let us for a sec assume Havertz really had in mind to create chance for Kimmich. I that case, his decision making should be questioned big time. He has absolutely no business passing that ball in that position. He should score a goal 99 out of 100 times in that exact situation.

But knowing how intelligent Havertz is, he never intended to pass that ball. He was just unfortunate to miscue his effort (that 1 miss out of 100) which Kimmich helped him corrected.

You give intelligent analysis sometimes but when it get to Havertz matter, you just.... I don't know what to say sef. You just troway your brain

Havertz10:
if kimmich followed havertz movement, he would have easily tapped in that goal, it's not havertz fault that he moved late

Using the final position of kimmich to argue against havertz's intention is comical, where did the ball drop after havertz's touch? In front of goal or on the line?

nihilistjnr:


Ogbeni stop it

You mean somebody in this position here is trying to pass to somebody behind him that he cannot even see?

I mean....

Trevor012:
He was clearly trying to flick the ball to set up a tap in for the other guy. That's what you call intelligence unlike dumb people like Bruno that will blast the ball straight at the keeper.

Havertz10:
I trust that you like a woman's buttock as much as most of us here, how many microseconds do you need to look at it and look away?

Talkless of positional awareness, something that is literally in havertz skillset, he knew that kimmich was there, kimmich didn't follow the play, if not it was intended to be a simple tap in for him

nihilistjnr:


Ogbeni stop it

You mean somebody in this position here is trying to pass to somebody behind him that he cannot even see?

I mean....

Havertz10:
I gave him credit for the liverpool goal, gave him credit for the sacking of Lampard, if I can find a position for mount that will utilize his skills, I will support him


My problem is mount playing as a 10 with only 3 open play assists in 70games

I want us to win things and we can't if mount is the creative cog of the team

Didn't you watch the FA cup final, how many chances did mount create? We have lost 2 finals because of his limitations, if havertz didn't make that run , who knows if we would have beaten man city that day, football is a game of fine margins, coronavirus crises has gifted us a good player, and I will drag anybody that wants to hinder the progress of the club

Ibime:


You mean Havertz intended to pass the ball to Kimmich on the touchline

Funke!

Diarisgodoh

donstan18:
“If Kimmich followed Harvertz movement”

They are about to start blaming Kimmich.

They’ve stole his credit to give it to Fraudvertz, they are about to start blaming him for Fraudvertz miss.

donstan18:
This one choke!!!

Na like this intelligent players dey create chances.



Isn’t it obvious he went for goal??

Jodera:
E tire me oo.
But they won't blame Muller for not making the run when havertz finally scored the goal