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Greatihex:
I will continue to say it, KDB left Chelsea because he wanted to play more, which is a good thing for his career. But for a club like Chelsea where the competition is high, you need to really convince the manager that you will play how he wants. For goodness sake, kdb only stayed for 5 months. I mean, he even started pushing to leave after just 2 months. Who does that, after just being called back personally from loan by the man he likes to blame for his Chelsea exit.

Neither Mourinho nor KDB foresaw the last minute signing of Willian who was someone forced on them at the end of the transfer window by Roman after hijacking his Spurs medical.

That left Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Schurrle, Willian and KDB competing for 3 spots. 6 does not go into 3. Which good young player will wait around for the politics of that situation to play out. Someone who just won Bundesliga YPOTY. KDB was chased away by money. He was cheaper than all the others so they were given chances before him. Oscar who had never won an individual award of note had no right to have an automatic spot over KDB but money talks. No serious player will waste a year of their short career waiting for that politics to settle itself. Hazard spot was already guaranteed, so that leaves 5 players battling for two positions.

In addition, Mourinho was playing some politics by using Oscars status as Brazil no10 to chase Mata away. He kept saying he will pick Brazil's no 10 over Mata. So that means two spots were taken by Oscar and Hazard, leaving Schurrle, Willian, Mata and KDB to fight for the last spot and KDB was the cheapest and junior man among them and was being unfairly overlooked. He made the right choice jare. Immediately he went to Wolfsburg, he broke Bundesliga assist record and win Bundesliga POTY, showing he was better than them.

There was a third factor which precipitated KDBs exit and that was our midfield porosity and instability with Mikel and Ramires unable to put together a coherent and defensively stable midfield. This then meant that Mourinho had to get them help by making one of the attacking positions a defensive workhorse. Given Hazard and Oscars spot were already secure, Mourinho needed a defensive minded right winger to help balance out the overloads often caused by Mikel and Ramires ineptness, and that's how Willian won the last spot.

This is why I don't tolerate any defensive midfield that is not robust and up to scratch because it has cost us big time.

So you can blame KDBs exit on poor squad planning - overstocking of AMs and wingers, and Mourinho playing politics with Mata and Oscar which left KDB as the outside man plus central midfield porosity which necessitated Willian being deployed as a workhorse to help the unstable midfield.

Ibime:
Kovacic is not central to Chelsea. He is a CM that can be rotated out for other. Same reason I don't bother criticising Barkley or RLC cos they are not fundamental to Chelsea midfield.

We need a DM that can help us attack successfully and consistently and push us up the pitch in regular weekly football, that can be consistent whatever the shape of the team, without a manager having to create a cocoon around him. Such specificity cannot work over a whole season.

Anyone who wants Jorginho to continue as Chelsea DM does not wish the team well.

If we re critical on jorginho, same should energy should be directed to kante because he can't man the dm alone & while being a box 2 box midfielder with average passing.
As well as kovacic for being just a ball carrier, teams are evolving,the CMS pop in goals or assist to help the team but ours is almost non existent..wen last did our midfield rack up goals or assist in the charts but its only jorginho,..

Havertz10:
I didn't say that I didn't want us to win, I said that I wouldn't be too hurt if we didnt

Cause what I predicated is happening, people are using that champions league victory to validate mount as a talent


I knew that with tuchel we would get to the final more often than ever in our history, go and dig, I have said it numerous times that tuchel should be given a long term deal

If Chelsea should give him a 10 years deal, I will celebrate it, he is a legacy manager

It depends on him winning at least a trophy every season till his contract expires for his contract to be extended and him willing to stay.

donstan18:
Argentina can beat this Brazil comfortably.

Same them that could not beat Chile in two years. They might not even enter the final gan. Asun that would miss penarity again. He doesn't deserve ballon dor even if they win which they will not.

Trevor012, come dey go your thread

SideshowBob:
Good you put might because brazill is winning that cup. He doesn't deserve the balon dor.

Truth be told, no one deserves balor D'or this year unless the player come from Chelsea team, this past season is very tough, no team has won it all, Neymar/Mbappe of PSG did not win the league, CR7 of Juventus didn't win the league either, what of Messi? Na the same thing. Only lewandowski that won the league and he had successfully crashed out of euro 2020 likewise Mbappe and CR7.
Out of the big Boyz only Messi is playing in competition and we know it is easier for Raumdeuter to become Chelsea fan than for Messi to win Copa America.

donstan18:

Which kind rubbish be this?
I would rather continue playing Tammy in the team than to spend £50m on Calvert. He's doing his best for Everton no doubt, but we want a better striker, who can hold his own against top teams.

donstan18:
Argentina can beat this Brazil comfortably.

Same Argentina that couldn’t beat Chile with 11 players?

Anyways I’d be expecting Messi’s tears next week Sunday, that’s if they can get past Columbia or Uruguay

Skimpledawg:
Trevor012, come dey go your thread

What did I do na

SideshowBob:
Same them that could not beat Chile in two years. They might not even enter the final gan. Asun that would miss penarity again. He doesn't deserve ballon dor even if they win which they will not.

England couldn’t beat Scotland but the trashed Germany. You don’t judge football that way.

You can’t fully rely on Brazil against Argentina.

Ibime:
Neither Mourinho nor KDB foresaw the last minute signing of Willian who was someone forced on them at the end of the transfer window by Roman after hijacking his Spurs medical.

That left Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Schurrle, Willian and KDB competing for 3 spots. 6 does not go into 3. Which good young player will wait around for the politics of that situation to play out. Someone who just won Bundesliga YPOTY. KDB was chased away by money. He was cheaper than all the others so they were given chances before him. Oscar who had never won an individual award of note had no right had no right to have an automatic spot over KDB but money talks. No serious player will waste a year of their short career waiting for that politics to settle itself. Hazard spot wa already guaranteed, so that leaves 5 players battling for two positions.

In addition, Mourinho was playing some politics by using Oscars status as Brazil no10 to chase Mata away. He kept saying he will pick Brazil's no 10 over Mata. So that means two spots were taken by Oscar and Hazard, leaving Schurrle, Willian, Mara and KDB to fight for the last spot and KDB was the cheapest and junior man among them and was being unfairly overlooked. He made the right choice jare. Immediately he went to Wolfsburg, he broke Bundesliga assist record and win Bundesliga POTY, showing he was better than them.

There was a third factor which precipitated KDBs exit and that was our midfield porosity and instability with Mikel and Ramires unable to put together a coherent and defensively stable midfield. This then meant that Mourinho had to get them help by making one of the attacking positions a defensive workhorse. Given Hazard and Oscars spot were already secure, Mourinho needed a defensive minded right winger to help balance out the overloads often caused by Mikel and Ramires ineptness, and that's how Willian won the last spot.

This is why I don't tolerate any defensive midfield that is not robust and up to scratch because it has cost us big time.

So you can blame KDBs exit on poor squad planning - overstocking of AMs and wingers, and Mourinho playing politics with Mata and Oscar which left KDB as the outside man plus central midfield porosity which necessitated Willian being deployed as a workhorse to help the unstable midfield.

Ibime!!!!!!!!!!
Baba, you dey burst my brain with this thorough analysis of what happened that year.

Dost42:
If we re critical on jorginho, same should energy should be directed to kante because he can't man the dm alone & while being a box 2 box midfielder with average passing.
As well as kovacic for being just a ball carrier, teams are evolving,the CMS pop in goals or assist to help the team but ours is almost non existent..wen last did our midfield rack up goals or assist in the charts but its only jorginho,..

Why would same energy be directed on Kante who just won 3 MOTM from UCL semi to final. If you know the state Chelsea midfield was in in 2016, before Kante came and turned that around taking us from a non existent midfield that took us to 10th position to Champions in one season.

The same energy cannot be expended on Kovacic as Jorginho because Kovacic is an ancillary midfielder. You bring him in to run, hustle, keep the ball, which he can do, but he is not fundamental. You can describe him as a Sergi Roberto, a Raul Meireles type of midfielder when we win the UCL or Tiago when we won the EPL in 2005. These players are not system players but can play any which way the team is set up, whereas Jorginho forces you to play certain systems to protect him without offering the upside that comes making that sacrifice to build a system around him ie he does not control midfield consistently to force us to adapt to him.

Nobody will get HBP over such an ancillary players like Kovacic, Sergi Roberto etc but if your Makelele (Jorginho, Busquets) is soft as baby bottom, then you have structural issues that need to be addressed.

DumaEmpire:
Flopped how??

Should the guy kill himself? Afterall the chances he created for Lukaku no be waste Lukaku waste ham. Especially the clear goalscoring one wer Lukaku go play for person body.

Even Hazard you're mentioning. Wetin that one don achieve. Wasn't he there when Wales whipped their ass in the QF 2016?
Lukaku wer dey form strong and mighty on top Finland and Russia finally meant a well composed defense and was mute like he usually is in the important games but its De Bryne's fault.

Na match you watch, abi na highlights or text you follow
How would you say Lukaku played that ball unto person body, person way no watch the ball now go think say, Lukaku aim person shoot am.

2016, who was the only one carry Belgium and even giving them their first hope of competing and enter limelight

Lukaku was mute yet you are accusing him of firing shot. Abeg stay one place make this thunder locate you

Havertz10:
I don't understand why people often think that me and donstan are polarizing opposites

My goal isn't aimless, I want chelsea to improve, have you ever heard donstan saying that, he is all about sentiment, I champion havertz cause he is a good player and I know that with him we will achieve alot

Jorginho matter get as e be, he is a system player, ibime has a point, he isn't young so he won't be around for long and his failings can be overshadowed if we have a good attack

That's why I don't bother talking about him much, mount on the other hand is a British infestation that I have seen destroy many top clubs in England, it's more annoying particularly as we have a good player that his agendarist are undermining to force him on the team

All I want is for Chelsea to become a force in Europe, all my arguments are all pushing that cause

Ibime also mentioned you that supports Havertz to play 10 with Jorginho behind him, as an error waiting to happen. You don respond give am?

Ova champion of cause, donstan18 no name himself Mount, and e dey possible say na you start dey undermine Mount. Just look at yourself, you just find way mention Mount for matter way no concern am. Oya list all these many infestations you don see.

andrewbaba44:
Hazard has not achieve anything with Belgium also

individually he has

andrewbaba44:
With Leaving pep with washed players before pep began to purchased his own after coming 3rd or so in his first season in the epl

Mancini wasn't city's previous manager before Pep

BlueAngel444:
individually he has

We are talking about Belgium are a team you are here talking about individually all in the name to make a case

Hazard hasn’t achieve anything for Belgium

EOD

BlueAngel444:
Mancini wasn't city's previous manager before Pep

My bad

Pellegrini

Then there is nothing attractive Mancini did and nothing to thank him for

Singapore1:
The problem with some guys on this thread is they are too rigid and shameless to admit when they are wrong, if you can grow as a person in your career, I don't see any reason why your fellow human can't grow in his profession too

Jorghino has been playing well even before the EURO2020 and he has been fantastic in this tournament, he has also improved on tackles and interception..

Why is it so hard to give him credit even just for the moment .

Of all our MF in this tournament he has been the best!

Can he keep it up ? I don't know

Does he deserve some accolades for his current run? Hell yes!

Gbam!!

andrewbaba44:
When all the supposed ballon r or contenders are out of the euros

Messi won’t take the ballon d or because I don’t think Argentina will win the copa America ,so make Messi haters no fear

Anything wey make that guy touch copa America ? Omo forget am

For now it will go to lewandowski

Only person wey Dey watch back it tv thinks Messi was useless this past season

I also agree with your assessment, it looks destined for lewy except an argentine Copa win

devvy44:
Because he padded stats against Bolivia, a 73th placed nation on FIFA’s ranking, even after ghosting against all the top teams barka played last season

The freekick he scored against Chile nko? Assist against Uruguay?
No make I enter your mcm wey score 5 goals, 3 still be penalties Premium statpadder

andrewbaba44:
With Leaving pep with washed players before pep began to purchased his own after coming 3rd or so in his first season in the epl

He was the one who made man city attractive to pep with their first league win and fa cup win.
Also, he didn't leave pep with washed up players, pellegrini did.

More so, it's Amazing how the core of Pep's win and record are pellegrini/mancini buys and not guardiola own. Yet Guardiola met washed up players

From kompany, to aguero, to zabaleta, to Silva, to kdb. Isn't it amazing

Blueangel have a great point

OJURONGBE1:
Victory is Sweet!

I still can't believe this bald head beamed with so much confidence, that he thought he had figured out Chelsea play pattern.

Lmao @ bald head

andrewbaba44:
When all the supposed ballon r or contenders are out of the euros

Messi won’t take the ballon d or because I don’t think Argentina will win the copa America ,so make Messi haters no fear

Anything wey make that guy touch copa America ? Omo forget am

For now it will go to lewandowski

Only person wey Dey watch back it tv thinks Messi was useless this past season

I won't blame them.

Messi standard is damn so high that he needs to be scoring 50 goals in the league while others needs 20+ goals so that all of them will be on par for balon dor shout.

A player with 30 goals with 11 assist in the league only, as well as winning copa del rey while his team finishes 2nd.

But that player is "useless" cos he didn't end up with 50+ goals and carry league.

Messi standard too high kan kan!!

Jodera:
I won't blame them.

Messi standard is damn so high that he needs to be scoring 50 goals in the league while others needs 20+ goals so that all of them will be on par for balon dor shout.

A player with 30 goals with 11 assist in the league only, as well as winning copa del rey while his team finishes 2nd.

But that player is "useless" cos he didn't end up with 50+ goals and carry league.

Messi standard too high kan kan!!

Well said broda

Jodera:
He was the one who made man city attractive to pep with their first league win and fa cup win.
Also, he didn't leave pep with washed up players, pellegrini did.

More so, it's Amazing how the core of Pep's win and record are pellegrini/mancini buys and not guardiola own. Yet Guardiola met washed up players

From kompany, to aguero, to zabaleta, to Silva, to kdb. Isn't it amazing

Blueangel have a great point

I agree with him now

Blueangel444 I got you now

BlueAngel444:
Na match you watch, abi na highlights or text you follow
How would you say Lukaku played that ball unto person body, person way no watch the ball now go think say, Lukaku aim person shoot am.

2016, who was the only one carry Belgium and even giving them their first hope of competing and enter limelight

Lukaku was mute yet you are accusing him of firing shot. Abeg stay one place make this thunder locate you

Omo u dey yan rubbish.

You're here blaming KDB for Belgium crashing out as if he's the only player in the team. Make d guy kill himself?? What was Lukaku doing in the match?? Didn't KDB create a chance for him he couldn't score. You dey mention shots. Which stupid shots.
KDB balled even having jst come back from injury. Just cos u hate player no mean say u go jst come online dey write rubbish about ham that are not true.

Jodera:
He was the one who made man city attractive to pep with their first league win and fa cup win.
Also, he didn't leave pep with washed up players, pellegrini did.

More so, it's Amazing how the core of Pep's win and record are pellegrini/mancini buys and not guardiola own. Yet Guardiola met washed up players

From kompany, to aguero, to zabaleta, to Silva, to kdb. Isn't it amazing

Blueangel have a great point

Can never forget 2012, Martin Tyler's voice screaming, "Aggguuuuueeeeerrrrrrooo" Ah that day yoonited boys wan die, As much as i back spain due to allegiance, I still tip Mancini to go all the way if they advance, Not losing since October 2020 no be beans

DumaEmpire:
Omo u dey yan rubbish.

You're here blaming KDB for Belgium crashing out as if he's the only player in the team. Make d guy kill himself?? What was Lukaku doing in the match?? Didn't KDB create a chance for him he couldn't score. You dey mention shots. Which stupid shots.
KDB balled even having jst come back from injury. Just cos u hate player no mean say u go jst come online dey write rubbish about ham that are not true.

I don't hate the player and you as well mentioned created A chance, just one

Ibime:
Why would same energy be directed on Kante who just won 3 MOTM from UCL semi to final. If you know the state Chelsea midfield was in in 2016, before Kante came and turned that around taking us from a non existent midfield that took us to 10th position to Champions

Nobody will get HBP over such an ancillary players like Kovacic, Sergi Roberto etc but if your Makelele (Jorginho, Busquets) is soft as baby bottom, then you have structural issues that need to be addressed.

I get your point but we cant focus on one person and leave the other..we all want our team to get better.but for us to have control in games jorginho is present

DumaEmpire:
Omo u dey yan rubbish.

You're here blaming KDB for Belgium crashing out as if he's the only player in the team. Make d guy kill himself?? What was Lukaku doing in the match?? Didn't KDB create a chance for him he couldn't score. You dey mention shots. Which stupid shots.
KDB balled even having jst come back from injury. Just cos u hate player no mean say u go jst come online dey write rubbish about ham that are not true.

Once people hate or diss player, sometimes to fairly judge the player's case go dey sentimental.

Kdb gave lukaku goal on a plate (which is kdb job to create), lukaku miss am from close range without keeper in sight yet na kdb cause am.

Dost42:
I get your point but we cant focus on one person and leave the other..we all want our team to get better.but for us to have control in games jorginho is present

Yet Jorginho does not control games for Chelsea

Chelsea park 7 defensive players to protect Jorginho.

Which leads me to ask, which midfield controller forces his team to play defensive football?