airmark:


If you could argue that England are doing well in Euros because of Fraudiola, there's nothing you can't argue.

Why na!!

airmark:


Go and tell that to the birds.






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Can you also convert every clip in this video into gifs? Ibime can you help out? It's too much for only airmark to do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLtxw6wQv4

Jamie90:


Tuchel is playing a system dynamic enough to accommodate the players at his disposal. No be Lampard wey dey open en players nyash with en formation. Ceasar can't play full back effectively like he used to so the coach used him as a right CB. Rudiger too dey lose focus but the current formation made him better, players like Kovacic no dey even know when danger dey, so playing him in a 3 man Midfield is suicidal... When Mount been dey go drag wing with Pulisic come leave him on wing, Havertz too dey find goal... E go come remain only Jorginho wey no fast... Wetin you expect? ..

Na Lampard mistake influence Tuchel ingenuity. He did well in the league, he only dropped some points during the end of the season mostly due to fatigue

I don't disagree with you about Tuchel protecting his players cos many of them are not robust so they need special set-up to protect them. This includes Rudiger, Alonso, Azpi and Jorginho as you rightly mentioned. Kudos to Tuchel for that, but such system is not consistent to win you the league week in, week out. It can prosecute individual games only. Tuchel 19 games record would finish him on 76 points or so if extrapolated to a full season, that's why we need to move away from these specialist players.

You say it was not parking the bus yet said this:

Jamie90:


Tuchel game is all about denying opponents spaces while dominating play..

When you deny opponents space in your own half, that's parking the bus.

The only difference is that Jorginho and defenders pass the ball amongst themselves for long period to kill time, but you are still parking the bus essentially to protect Jorginho with 7 defensive players. The only difference is you are not booting the ball upfield.

A midfield controller is something like how Thiago dominated for Bayern in UCL last year, how Gundogan controls for Man City, how Xavi and co did it, taking their team up the pitch to dominate in the opponents half. Jorginho is the only midfield controller that force his team to park the bus. And whenever we meet any midtable to top table team, you don't see Jorginho making 100 passes, you see him struggling, getting dominated and trying to make up with tackling. I am not talking when he faces Man City. Even common Aston Villa and Leicester turned him from a controller to an average midfielder. Cast your mind back to those games.

Ibime:


A trophyless style that got us hammered 4-0 by Bournemouth and 6-0 by City

pep changed his style of play, but Sarri was new using what he knew that brought Napoli close to serie A title with Jorginho at the heartbeat of it

Kilishihunter:

May God hep uss
Btw Oga ibime in Italy vs Spain, Jorginho vs Busquets, Who will you support?

Wahala

BlueAngel444:
pep changed his style of play, but Sarri was new using what he knew that brought Napoli close to serie A title with Jorginho at the heartbeat of it

The only thing that brought Napoli close to Serie A was Higuain and Meertens breaking Serie A goalscoring records, not Jorginho making hundred passes without end product.

Maybe if you keep Higuain and Meertens scoring you 70 goals per season between them, with Insigne also contributing, remove Jorginho for an AM and drop Allan to DM, perhaps they would have won the league.

,:

homesteady:


Can you also convert every clip in this video into gifs? Ibime can you help out? It's too much for only airmark to do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLtxw6wQv4

He always has his gifs for the special occasion, if I ask him about the same busquets before the goal or in extra time, it's semolina he'll start twisting for boyz, He doesn't even have shame, His own combative DM is rated worst among the worst

Havertz10:
I didn't say that I didn't want us to win, I said that I wouldn't be too hurt if we didnt

Cause what I predicated is happening, people are using that champions league victory to validate mount as a talent


I knew that with tuchel we would get to the final more often than ever in our history, go and dig, I have said it numerous times that tuchel should be given a long term deal

If Chelsea should give him a 10 years deal, I will celebrate it, he is a legacy manager

lol instead of Havertz who suddenly happened to appear during the finals

BlueAngel444:
Ibime also mentioned you that supports Havertz to play 10 with Jorginho behind him, as an error waiting to happen. You don respond give am?

Ova champion of cause, donstan18 no name himself Mount, and e dey possible say na you start dey undermine Mount. Just look at yourself, you just find way mention Mount for matter way no concern am. Oya list all these many infestations you don see.

that's tuchel's job, I personally think that if you dorminate possession well, you can easily negate jorginho's failings, it's not a rule that you must have a makalele in your team to be successful, busquet isn't a physical specimen but he was part of the most successful midfield 3 in modern football history

If we have too many players that suit a system, you adapt to accomodate all of them, jorginho has like 1~3 left at Chelsea

Ibime:


The only thing that brought Napoli close to Serie A was Higuain and Meertens breaking Serie A goalscoring records, not Jorginho making hundred passes without end product.

Maybe if you keep Higuain and Meertens scoring you 70 goals per season between them, with Insigne also contributing, remove Jorginho for an AM and drop Allan to DM, perhaps they would have won the league.

did Allan play DM after Jorginho left?

How did Jorginho leaving work out for Napoli?

Havertz10:
that's tuchel's job, I personally think that if you dorminate possession well, you can easily negate jorginho's failings, it's not a rule that you must have a makalele in your team to be successful, busquet isn't a physical specimen but he was part of the most successful midfield 3 in modern football history

If we have too many players that suit a system, you adapt to accomodate all of them, jorginho has like 1~3 left at Chelsea

Ibime's issue is that he wants Jorginho playing like Fabinho, and Chelsea play metallic football

A player has done well give him credit, no, it's just like the Matic hate then.

Ibime:


Neither Mourinho nor KDB foresaw the last minute signing of Willian who was someone forced on them at the end of the transfer window by Roman after hijacking his Spurs medical.

That left Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Schurrle, Willian and KDB competing for 3 spots. 6 does not go into 3. Which good young player will wait around for the politics of that situation to play out. Someone who just won Bundesliga YPOTY. KDB was chased away by money. He was cheaper than all the others so they were given chances before him. Oscar who had never won an individual award of note had no right to have an automatic spot over KDB but money talks. No serious player will waste a year of their short career waiting for that politics to settle itself. Hazard spot was already guaranteed, so that leaves 5 players battling for two positions.

In addition, Mourinho was playing some politics by using Oscars status as Brazil no10 to chase Mata away. He kept saying he will pick Brazil's no 10 over Mata. So that means two spots were taken by Oscar and Hazard, leaving Schurrle, Willian, Mata and KDB to fight for the last spot and KDB was the cheapest and junior man among them and was being unfairly overlooked. He made the right choice jare. Immediately he went to Wolfsburg, he broke Bundesliga assist record and win Bundesliga POTY, showing he was better than them.

There was a third factor which precipitated KDBs exit and that was our midfield porosity and instability with Mikel and Ramires unable to put together a coherent and defensively stable midfield. This then meant that Mourinho had to get them help by making one of the attacking positions a defensive workhorse. Given Hazard and Oscars spot were already secure, Mourinho needed a defensive minded right winger to help balance out the overloads often caused by Mikel and Ramires ineptness, and that's how Willian won the last spot.

This is why I don't tolerate any defensive midfield that is not robust and up to scratch because it has cost us big time.

So you can blame KDBs exit on poor squad planning - overstocking of AMs and wingers, and Mourinho playing politics with Mata and Oscar which left KDB as the outside man plus central midfield porosity which necessitated Willian being deployed as a workhorse to help the unstable midfield.

We have had this argument many times. Mourinho has never shown anywhere to be a man to play politics with his team. Mourinho was benching 89m Pogba that he signed personally with an academy mctominay. So, saying that Mourinho was playing politics with his team is not true. If he wanted to play politics he wouldn't have requested for KDB to come back from loan.

Also, I'm not sure Willian has been signed when Mourinho started benching KDB with Schurrle. Schurrle was the first person that started benching kdb before Willian even came to the picture because Schurrle proved not be consistent.

Mourinho is only concerned about who follows his instructions to the latter. Mourinho played KDB on the right flank, so he had no business with Oscar that was playing 10, who was giving Mourinho what he wanted because he was a hustler and energetic just like Mount today. (In fact, Mount is just a more consistent Oscar.)

I strongly suspect that why Mourinho started benching KDB is because he was not tracking back to defend as he would want which has always been his problem with attackers. That was the same reason he sent mata away. The same reason he gave when he benched hazard in that his last season with us. It has always been about defensive contribution. Mourinho no get time for politics. He would rather leave your club than for you to tell him who to play.

Mourinho knew KDB's abilities. That was why he asked him to come back from loan. So, he wanted him to learn to play his way and do what he wants from him by showing him his usual tough love, something he did to RLC that he brought fully into the first team. But KDB wanted to play no matter what and didn't want to fight for his place in a club like Chelsea.

The conclusion is, one, KDB improved from his raw self at Chelsea. Two, nobody chased him out of Chelsea. He simply wanted to play more, which is good, but that can't come on a platter in a club like Chelsea. You can ask Havertz, Chilwell, Ziyech, Pulisic, Rudiger, Kovacic, Kante, etc.
You can imagine where Kante was playing bench at a point under Sarri.

BlueAngel444:
did Allan play DM after Jorginho left?

How did Jorginho leaving work out for Napoli?

They still finished second. More importantly, Higuain had also left.

BlueAngel444:
lol instead of Havertz who suddenly happened to appear during the finals

his final performance had been brewing for a while, I wasn't surprised, Lampard is a fool, forcing that guy to play 8 because he has to accomodate mount

Worst still, he played him without a solid base behind him, it's been 6 months and nobody is considering employing Lampard, useless nonsense


Havertz has played 10, 3 times under Lampard, and he got a goal or an assist each time, you can check and see for yourself, this is a guy that plays to score or assist, elite mentality

airmark:


I am not in any bondage.

I just proved Homesteady wrong that Busquets must e fouled before opponents could get the ball off him. Make una no dey do like Lai here.

You can only lie to yourself about Busquets, some Barca fans even know the truth.

Well not all Chelsea fans rated Hazard and some even preferred Willian to him so there is no surprise about some random Barca fan who decides to remain blind .

Free yourself from the shackles of L Busquet and pep Guardiola has served you.

Take a look at the comments below and take that thing from darkrebel away

homesteady:


Can you also convert every clip in this video into gifs? Ibime can you help out? It's too much for only airmark to do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLtxw6wQv4

Hensben you can also help.

Jodera:
Yeah.. Let's see how Emerson fares sha. He isn't too bad like that too.

Yeah he should be ok, Good luck to him

Havertz10:
his final performance had been brewing for a while, I wasn't surprised, Lampard is a fool, forcing that guy to play 8 because he has to accomodate mount

Worst still, he played him without a solid base behind him, it's been 6 months and nobody is considering employing Lampard, useless nonsense


Havertz has played 10, 3 times under Lampard, and he got a goal or an assist each time, you can check and see for yourself, this is a guy that plays to score or assist, elite mentality

Lampard is a fool because Havertz forgot how to stay focused playing good football so as you have typed "to accommodate Mount" what position did Mount a midfielder play that upset attacker all rounder Havertz?

Stop your shameless lie, clubs were rumoured after Lampard, EPL clubs at that.

Greatihex:
We have had this argument many times. Mourinho has never shown anywhere to be a man to play politics with his team. Mourinho was benching 89m Pogba that he signed personally with an academy mctominay. So, saying that Mourinho was playing politics with his team is not true. If he wanted to play politics he wouldn't have requested for KDB to come back from loan.

Also, I'm not sure Willian has been signed when Mourinho started benching KDB with Schurrle. Schurrle was the first person that started benching kdb before Willian even came to the picture because Schurrle proved not be consistent.

Mourinho is only concerned about who follows his instructions to the latter. Mourinho played KDB on the right flank, so he had no business with Oscar that was playing 10, who was giving Mourinho what he wanted because he was a hustler and energetic just like Mount today. (In fact, Mount is just a more consistent Oscar.)

I strongly suspect that why Mourinho started benching KDB is because he was not tracking back to defend as he would want which has always been his problem with attackers. That was the same reason he sent mata away. The same reason he gave when he benched hazard in that his last season with us. It has always been about defensive contribution. Mourinho no get time for politics. He would rather leave your club than for you to tell him who to play.

Mourinho knew KDB's abilities. That was why he asked him to come back from loan. So, he wanted him to learn to play his way and do what he wants from him by showing him his usual tough love, something he did to RLC that he brought fully into the first team. But KDB wanted to play no matter what and didn't want to fight for his place in a club like Chelsea.

The conclusion is, one, KDB improved from his raw self at Chelsea. Two, nobody chased him out of Chelsea. He simply wanted to play more, which is good, but that can't come on a platter in a club like Chelsea. You can ask Havertz, Chilwell, Ziyech, Pulisic, Rudiger, Kovacic, Kante, etc.
You can imagine where Kante was playing bench at a point under Sarri.

You forgot Schurrle is also a defensive player so again, that was due to midfield instability.

Mourinho absolutely played politics with Oscar and Mata. You forgot Mata was very popular and Chelsea POTY and the only political argument Mourinho had for dropping Mata is that he prefers Brazil no10. Chelsea fans and press everywhere were having HBP with the treatment of Mata even on this thread, but Mourinho had already made up his.mind before taking the job that Mata is too weak to play for him and he devised a plan to force him out using Oscar. You don't know how press were hounding Mourinho daily for dropping Mata, check his various arguments with Jamie Redknapp. He needed a big name to displace Mata and Brazil's no10 was the good fit. He couldn't try that with KDB who nobody knows.

And Mourinho is the biggest political player. Infact I don't even think he coaches no more, all he does is play politics, putting players against each other. You will recall he called KDB into a meeting and was comparing KDB assists and goals with Willian and Oscar, that's where KDB told him how can you compare someone who has played only 3 games with people who have played the whole season. If that's not politics, what is it?

Ibime:


They still finished second. More importantly, Higuain had also left.

a season before they finished 91 points and that second na 79points

Sulele04:

-If I take 100 men to your house in the midnight to kill you unprepared, is it not cowardice.

-Why not attack in the afternoon when people are not caught off-guard.

Let's see how it ends, but history will remember how the wahala started.
[s][/s]
So if Igboho starts his own violence, nobody should call him a terrorist.

Mind you Igboho is still walking free though, while a certain suplem leada is languishing behind bars.

National security is not a game, it is a serious matter that requires strategy (more reason I am angry with the government for escalating this things by making heros and martyr of those who threaten national unity), US killed Osama Bin Laden through stealth operations, the idea is to catch him off guard, Igboho needs to be careful, else he will learn the sad truth that you can't fight against government.

Anyway, I am just calling you out since you were boasting that igboho is untouchable everywhere, if na jazz him get, him go know say jazz get paygrade, I wonder if him jazz fit chop AK 47.

Chelsea to sell Zouma and sign Kounde

BlueAngel444:

Lampard is a fool because Havertz forgot how to stay focused playing good football so as you have typed "to accommodate Mount" what position did Mount a midfielder play that upset attacker all rounder Havertz?

Stop your shameless lie, clubs were rumoured after Lampard, EPL clubs at that.

they should sign him na

No Chelsea fan will be offended if he went to Everton but did they give him the job?

There was shortage of managers at the end of the season and nobody considered Lampard

Lampard will get a mid table job next season, someone will take a risk with him when a manager fails, he will get sacked 3 months later and will eventually fall to his level championship football, he will retire there

Havertz10:
they should sign him na

No Chelsea fan will be offended if he went to Everton but did they give him the job?

There was shortage of managers at the end of the season and nobody considered Lampard

Lampard will get a mid table job next season, someone will take a risk with him when a manager fails, he will get sacked 3 months later and will eventually fall to his level championship football, he will retire there

You're really such a sad bitter person

Ibime:


You forgot Schurrle is also a defensive player so again, that was due to midfield instability.

Mourinho absolutely played politics with Oscar and Mata. You forgot Mata was very popular and Chelsea POTY and the only political argument Mourinho had for dropping Mata is that he prefers Brazil no10. Chelsea fans and press everywhere were having HBP with the treatment of Mata even on this thread, but Mourinho had already made up his.mind before taking the job that Mata is too weak to play for him and he devised a plan to force him out using Oscar. You don't know how press were hounding Mourinho daily for dropping Mata, check his various arguments with Jamie Redknapp. He needed a big name to displace Mata and Brazil's no10 was the good fit. He couldn't try that with KDB who nobody knows.

And Mourinho is the biggest political player. Infact I don't even think he coaches no more, all he does is play politics, putting players against each other. You will recall he called KDB into a meeting and was comparing KDB assists and goals with Willian and Oscar, that's where KDB told him how can you compare someone who has played only 3 games with people who have played the whole season. If that's not politics, what is it?

Your politics theory would have had credibility if it was not Mourinho that asked that kdb be brought from loan. I mean, he requested for this player and even started him in the first 2 matches of the season, matches where he did not start mata but played Oscar in his place. Hope you know that our front 3 then used to be mata Oscar and hazard, but Mourinho disrupted that to bring kdb into the line up, yet you think he was playing politics. If I remember vividly, he only mentioned Brazil no'10 once. All the while He was saying, "Oscar is my number 10."
Again, you politics talk for make small sense if Mourinho didn't bench almighty Pogba that he signed himself for 89m with a nobody academy boy named Mctominay.
There was no politics anywhere. KDB was simply in a hurry to leave and play where he can play every match. That was why he went to a smaller club in Germany where he is sure to play.
If you continue using this politics theory, then Havertz fan boys are also free to say that Lampard was doing the same politics for Havertz using Mount, but we all know that is not true.

popizaino:



Hensben you can also help.

Nothing special in that play, those are basic play for a footballer.

Ibime:


I don't disagree with you about Tuchel protecting his players cos many of them are not robust so they need special set-up to protect them. This includes Rudiger, Alonso, Azpi and Jorginho as you rightly mentioned. Kudos to Tuchel for that, but such system is not consistent to win you the league week in, week out. It can prosecute individual games only. Tuchel 19 games record would finish him on 76 points or so if extrapolated to a full season, that's why we need to move away from these specialist players.

You say it was not parking the bus yet said this:



When you deny opponents space in your own half, that's parking the bus.

The only difference is that Jorginho and defenders pass the ball amongst themselves for long period to kill time, but you are still parking the bus essentially to protect Jorginho with 7 defensive players. The only difference is you are not booting the ball upfield.

A midfield controller is something like how Thiago dominated for Bayern in UCL last year, how Gundogan controls for Man City, how Xavi and co did it, taking their team up the pitch to dominate in the opponents half. Jorginho is the only midfield controller that force his team to park the bus. And whenever we meet any midtable to top table team, you don't see Jorginho making 100 passes, you see him struggling, getting dominated and trying to make up with tackling. I am not talking when he faces Man City. Even common Aston Villa and Leicester turned him from a controller to an average midfielder. Cast your mind back to those games.

You obviously have issues with Jorginho. He has his weakness but blaming a team's poor performance on a single player is very wrong. Chelsea dominated Leciester, they only got 1 lucky shot. Aston villa was an anomaly. They even flogged Liverpool ..

Football is like a building, all the structures are important to achieve its obj. 1 player cannot determine the coaches decision to play a formation that doesn't favour him. Look at Jorginho in Italy, they play 4.3.3 yet he is playing well. All Italian players from Midfield to defence has strong positional awareness, the objective is clear and all players know what to do. Look at Varrati and Barella, even Locatelli..... They are rarely caught off position or ball watching... They together with Jorginho are very mobile. At Chelsea, Kante is usually caught off position, Kovacic ... Da one dey dose for pitch sometimes. If you expect a slow DM like Jorginho to cover for positional laps of other players, na e be say na play u come play.

Chelsea used to play aimless passes under Lampard... Well, not entirely aimless cos trying to cross is their main goal which they always achieve... But Tuchel play a more direct football, all his attackers are direct runners. Look at their goal in the UCL final... Very precise and direct.

That Barca's control is not just Xavi.. The whole system was built on control. If your idea of dominating games is predicated on one player, na e be say you never serious. Even during the relic age of the system, Iniesta and Rakitic did the job. Before a system can be successful, most players should be able to adapt to that system... Now imagine Xavi trying to dominate teams with players like De gea as GK, Zouma as CB partnering with Mangala, Danilo as DM, Fernandes as a Midfield partner. All these players are good players but cannot play such system.

My point is, one player cannot influence the way a team plays. So Jorginho can still play without bodies around him. He did it at Napoli, doing it with Italy.

Besides, wetin dem use know Chelsea before na parking bus against big teams na... Na en and Sarri arrival begin change am...

hensben:
Nothing special in that play, those are basic play for a footballer.

Yet most of the midfielders you applaud cannot do this basic to save their lives .

BlueAngel444:

You're really such a sad bitter person

you don't seem to understand, the only thing I care about when it comes to Chelsea, is chelsea itself

Anybody that comes to park bus, play negative football, or make the club look small becomes my enemy, I don't care if you were a hero

Even havertz isn't left out, if he doesn't live up to my expectations when he is played in his preferred position, I will drag him, tuchel self I will drag


My agenda is very simple, I want the best for a club I love

For those with agenda who tries to compare jorginho to Busquet simply because they play the same role should watch this video and show me a similar video of jorginho having the same similar chemistry with his strikers like Busquet been having with messi .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heLLRCAk7hk

Kilishihunter:

He always has his gifs for the special occasion, if I ask him about the same busquets before the goal or in extra time, it's semolina he'll start twisting for boyz, He doesn't even have shame, His own combative DM is rated worst among the worst

Timo Werner!
I sincerely hope this lad won't go the way of Morata & Schevchenko considering how much we paid RB Leipzig .
In between, it doesn't seem like we are serious in the transfer market. Even if we are yet to get desired players, the likes of Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Barkley, Emerson and Kepa should have been sold.