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you want to cause heart attack for Christians

Empiree:
you want to cause heart attack for Christians

Not heart attack but anger for he is only fulfilling What God Said shall happen in the dying days of this world.

So he confirms The Truth of the Word of The Lord.

But as The Lord Said, we can pray and we do pray for the Day of The Lord to speedily come!

Biodun556:

Laugh today and enjoy the evil you have Planted for it would not be long when you shall harvest the evils you have planted with gnashings and unending tears.

Dtruthspeaker:
Laugh today and enjoy the evil you have Planted for it would not be long when you shall harvest the evils you have planted with gnashings and unending tears.

Instead of you to answer the question

Empiree:
you want to cause heart attack for Christians

Biodun556:
Instead of you to answer the question

Kill the programmer of the virus rather than providing a solution for the virus infection (an Antivirus) make sense to you!?

Will the death of the virus programmer solve the problem of virus infection?

shadeyinka:
Kill the programmer of the virus rather than providing a solution for the virus infection (an Antivirus) make sense to you!?

Will the death of the virus programmer solve the problem of virus infection?

Your analysis doesn't make sense

You can't kill satan for Adam's sin. Should we kill Lamidi Kanu for Shekau's sin? Don't this people think at all?

shadeyinka:
Kill the programmer of the virus rather than providing a solution for the virus infection (an Antivirus) make sense to you!?

Will the death of the virus programmer solve the problem of virus infection?

You believe the virus was "programmed" by Satan,and not God?

Biodun556:
Your analysis doesn't make sense

It's not an analysis but an analogy!

Satan infected the first humans with the virus of sin. Every human since then has become infected. The only solution to the sin is a sinless appropriate blood sacrifice.

Your recommendation is that if satan is killed, there will exist no more evil in the world. Alas not so. Satan isn't the source of the current evil in the world: the source is the infected humans (whose virus of sin is manifesting as evil).

We are all awaiting the reboot ( death and resurrection) after which those who have God's Antivirus we wake up cleaned and renewed while those without God's Antivirus will wake up still infected.

Satan is the Programmer of the Virus of Sin. He has already succeeded in infecting humans and his job is done. Humans propagate the virus of sin and evil and NOT satan.

That is the analogy!

Kobojunkie:
You believe the virus was "programmed" by Satan,and not God?

The virus is "Disobedience" to the Unquestionable Almighty Source and Origin of Life and Conscientiousness.

Satan introduced Disobedience into the spiritual DNA of man through lies and deceit.
- You will not die
- You will be wise
- You will be like God
And the law of Sin and Death must take its course in man

The consequence of Sin Death (disconnection from the source of Life and Existence)

shadeyinka:
The virus is "Disobedience" to the Unquestionable Almighty Source and Origin of Life and Conscientiousness.

Satan introduced Disobedience into the spiritual DNA of man through lies and deceit.
- You will not die
- You will be wise
- You will be like God
And the law of Sin and Death must take its course in man

The consequence of Sin Death (disconnection from the source of Life and Existence)

But isn't God the one who is believed to have programmed it ALL?

And isn't the very ability to choose either obedience (God's Will) or disobedience(Man's Will) not given us by God Himself?

The Law of Sin and Death was given by God Himself to Adam in Genesis 2 vs 15-17, so why is Satan the "programmer" of anything in this?

Also, the consequence/Judgment for sin, also doled out by God in Genesis 3 vs 14-19 , mentions nothing of a disconnection from the source of life and existence, so where does that particular come from if not from the devil in this?

Kobojunkie:
But isn't God the one who is believed to have programmed it ALL?

Does it make sense for God to program disobedience into man and then come back to judge man for being disobedient!?

Kobojunkie:
And isn't the very ability to choose either obedience (God's Will) or disobedience(Man's Will) not given us by God Himself?

God gave us ability to CHOOSE either to obey or disobey, to be dependent or independent of Him.
God Himself gave the consequence of what our choices will lead to. ...on the day you eat of this fruit (in disobedience), you shall die.

Kobojunkie:
The Law of Sin and Death was given by God Himself to Adam in Genesis 2 vs 15-17, so why is Satan the "programmer" of anything in this?

The law of Sin and Death is the consequence of disobedience to God (called Sin) and it leads to Death.
Satan convinced man to break the commandment of God through lies and deceit. The disobedience is the VIRUS. Satan was the instrument that propelled man to choose to disobey clear instructions.

Kobojunkie:
Also, the consequence/Judgment for sin, also doled out by God in Genesis 3 vs 14-19 , mentions nothing of a disconnection from the source of life and existence, so where does that particular come from if not from the devil in this?

The meaning of Death is Disconnection from that which sustains life. The bible describes three kinds of death
1. Physical Death
2. Spiritual Death
3. Second Death

shadeyinka:
Does it make sense for God to program disobedience into man and then come back to judge man for being disobedient!?

God gave us ability to CHOOSE either to obey or disobey, to be dependent or independent of Him.
God Himself gave the consequence of what our choices will lead to. ...on the day you eat of this fruit (in disobedience), you shall die.

The law of Sin and Death is the consequence of disobedience to God (called Sin) and it leads to Death.
Satan convinced man to break the commandment of God through lies and deceit. The disobedience is the VIRUS. Satan was the instrument that propelled man to choose to disobey clear instructions.

The meaning of Death is Disconnection from that which sustains life. The bible describes three kinds of death
1. Physical Death
2. Spiritual Death
3. Second Death

1. Does God not reward man for his obedience? It does make ABSOLUTE sense actually that God programmed man's binary response to His command as the alternative would imply that God is not who He claims to be, the creator/programmer of ALL things.

2. See, you also see it too that it does make absolute sense that God is indeed responsible for our ability to choose, and before you revolt, just think carefully about it.
If God programmed into man the ability to make choices but only had it set on "obedience" all of the time, it wouldn't have been much of a selection system, would it? No, God had to have included another option on the list and the other is "disobedience". And we know that God only makes that which is "good" or to specification. So, God had to have been the one who had to have programmed it into His Selection system.

3. These things are not pulled out of thing air. The Law of Sin and Death, is as God gave to the man called Adam in Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17. In summary it declared that If Adam committed sin, Adam was to die. That is the Law as given by God.

Your assertions regarding Satan and his virus need to fit properly into what is written or thrown out as just your imaginings.

4. God Almighty Himself gave you His meaning for Death right there in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19. Are you suggesting God definition and declaration is off?

Kobojunkie:
1. Does God not reward man for his obedience? It does make ABSOLUTE sense actually that God programmed man's binary response to His command as the alternative would imply that God is not who He claims to be, the creator/programmer of ALL things.

The gift of volition is extremely powerful. It gives you the power to say no even to God your creator.
However, it is necessary if SELECTION is God's final objective.
Yes, man can reject God but at the cost of him not being useful to God.
Man decides his path:
a choice to be eternally tethered to God his Creator
or
a choice to be eternally unconnected to God his Creator

Kobojunkie:
2. See, you also see it too that it does make absolute sense that God is indeed responsible for our ability to choose, and before you revolt, just think carefully about it.
If God programmed into man the ability to make choices but only had it set on "obedience" all of the time, it wouldn't have been much of a selection system, would it? No, God had to have included another option on the list and the other is "disobedience". And we know that God only makes that which is "good" or to specification. So, God had to have been the one who had to have programmed it into His Selection system.

You seem not to understand volition.
The choices are made by man NOT by God.

The choices of man will either lead Him to Acknowledge God or Discounternance Him.

As parents, we tell our children (while going out): Don't put on the TV until you have completed your assignment!.
This instruction makes sense only if we have a TV in the house accessible to the children.
While we have gone out, the children have the power to obey us or disobey us.

Whether the children obey us or not is NOT our making but theirs!

Kobojunkie:
3. These things are not pulled out of thing air. The Law of Sin and Death, is as God gave to the man called Adam in Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17. In summary it declared that If Adam committed sin, Adam was to die. That is the Law as given by God.

Gen 2:16-17
16 And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”


God did not say "On the day you eat from the tree", you shall begin to die

Did Adam and Eve die physically in the day they ate from the tree?
Instead, their eyes were opened and they saw themselves as naked!
Instead, for the first time, they experienced FEAR

Something certainly happened when Adam and Eve eat of the tree but it wasn't a physical death.
God even had to make a cloth from animal skin to clothe them and they gave birth to children

Kobojunkie:
Your assertions regarding Satan and his virus need to fit properly into what is written or thrown out as just your imaginings.

Even though it's just an analogy, it fits perfectly.
The Virus isn't the Fruit perse but the disobedience to a direct command of God.
Satan told them that God desires to keep Adam and Eve below their potential:
They will not die instead,
Eating of the tree will make man wise
Eating of the tree will make them like God (knowing good and evil-meaning being the determinant of good and bad and not God)

Kobojunkie:
4. God Almighty Himself gave you His meaning for Death right there in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19. Are you suggesting God definition and declaration is off?

vs 19 show that in addition to the Spiritual Death (which had already occured evidenced by their unclothedness, fear of God, loss of authority etc)
19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread, until you return to the ground—because out of it were you taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.”

They didn't return to the ground until more than 900 years after. This was the PHYSICAL DEATH!

His appearance revealed what is happening!
First of all he's dressed like a weed smoker and the worst part is picking up the title of the pioneers of what he is contradicting!
Of course he's suffering from hard drugs nah!

shadeyinka:
The gift of volition is extremely powerful. It gives you the power to say no even to God your creator.
However, it is necessary if SELECTION is God's final objective.
Yes, man can reject God but at the cost of him not being useful to God.
Man decides his path:
a choice to be eternally tethered to God his Creator
or
a choice to be eternally unconnected to God his Creator

You seem not to understand volition.
The choices are made by man NOT by God.

The choices of man will either lead Him to Acknowledge God or Discounternance Him.

As parents, we tell our children (while going out): Don't put on the TV until you have completed your assignment!.
This instruction makes sense only if we have a TV in the house accessible to the children.
While we have gone out, the children have the power to obey us or disobey us.

Whether the children obey us or not is NOT our making but theirs!

Gen 2:16-17
16 And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”


God did not say "On the day you eat from the tree", you shall begin to die

Did Adam and Eve die physically in the day they ate from the tree?
Instead, their eyes were opened and they saw themselves as naked!
Instead, for the first time, they experienced FEAR

Something certainly happened when Adam and Eve eat of the tree but it wasn't a physical death.
God even had to make a cloth from animal skin to clothe them and they gave birth to children

Even though it's just an analogy, it fits perfectly.
The Virus isn't the Fruit perse but the disobedience to a direct command of God.
Satan told them that God desires to keep Adam and Eve below their potential:
They will not die instead,
Eating of the tree will make man wise
Eating of the tree will make them like God (knowing good and evil-meaning being the determinant of good and bad and not God)



vs 19 show that in addition to the Spiritual Death (which had already occured evidenced by their unclothedness, fear of God, loss of authority etc)
19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread, until you return to the ground—because out of it were you taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.”

They didn't return to the ground until more than 900 years after. This was the PHYSICAL DEATH!

All this is meaningless jabber as far as this conversation is concerned, and somehow I think you are aware of that yourself... again..

Kobojunkie:
1. Does God not reward man for his obedience? It does make ABSOLUTE sense actually that God programmed man's binary response to His command as the alternative would imply that God is not who He claims to be, the creator/programmer of ALL things.

2. See, you also see it too that it does make absolute sense that God is indeed responsible for our ability to choose, and before you revolt, just think carefully about it.
If God programmed into man the ability to make choices but only had it set on "obedience" all of the time, it wouldn't have been much of a selection system, would it? No, God had to have included another option on the list and the other is "disobedience". And we know that God only makes that which is "good" or to specification. So, God had to have been the one who had to have programmed it into His Selection system.

3. These things are not pulled out of thing air. The Law of Sin and Death, is as God gave to the man called Adam in Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17. In summary it declared that If Adam committed sin, Adam was to die. That is the Law as given by God.

Your assertions regarding Satan and his virus need to fit properly into what is written or thrown out as just your imaginings.

4. God Almighty Himself gave you His meaning for Death right there in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19. Are you suggesting God definition and declaration is off?

As for the change that happened to Adam and Eve after they had both eaten from the forbidden tree, isn't that akin to the effect that Knowledge, the sudden realization gained from discovering that which you had no previous knowing of, tends to have on our human minds?

Kobojunkie:
All this is meaningless jabber as far as this conversation is concerned, and somehow I think you are aware of that yourself... again.. As for the change that happened to Adam and Eve after they had both eaten from the forbidden tree, isn't that akin to the effect that Knowledge tends to have on our human minds?

I wouldn't want to continue what you have perceived as meaningless jabber!
Thanks!

shadeyinka:
I wouldn't want to continue what you have perceived as meaningless jabber!
Thanks!

You ignore what is given you right there in scripture so you can continue to insist on that which is instead imagined, what do you want me to do with that in this?

According to God, man was created a Physical being from the clay of this earth - Genesis 2 vs 7 and he was to die a physical death too - Genesis 3 vs 17-19. , yet you keep insisting on your ideas that have no basis in scripture. What do you expect me to with that?

Kobojunkie:
You ignore what is given you right there in scripture so you can continue to insist on that which is instead imagined, what do you want me to do with that in this?

According to God, man was created a Physical being from the clay of this earth - Genesis 2 vs 7 and he was to die a physical death too - Genesis 3 vs 17-19. , yet you keep insisting on your ideas that have no basis in scripture. What do you expect me to with that?

Rom 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."

Rom 8:6: "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."

Rev 2:11: "He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said to the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death."

Please how may of these below refer to PHYSICAL DEATH?
Rom 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Rom 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."

Rom 8:6: "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."

Jam 1:15: "Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death."

Jam 5:20: "Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death , and shall hide a multitude of sins."

1Jn 3:14: "We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brothers. He that loves not his brother stays in death."

1Jn 5:16: "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not to death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not to death. There is a sin to death : I do not say that he shall pray for it."

1Jn 5:17: "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not to death."

shadeyinka:
Rom 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."

Rom 8:6: "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."

Rev 2:11: "He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said to the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death."

Obviously, it is not my understanding of what is written in even those verses you quote there that is to be questioned.

i) Romans 8 vs 2, clearly states that the Spirit of Truth, the Helper who is the Spirit of Jesus Christ who lives in those who belong to Jesus Christ, has made you free from the Law of Sin and Death - Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17 and by extension , its consequences detailed by God in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19. All that is basically saying is basically 2 things
A. that Jesus Christ makes all those who believe in Him free( this is what Salvation in Jesus Christ saves us from) from the condemnation of sin, against as spelt out by God in Genesis 3 vs 17 -19 .
B. Since we are bound to a new Law, the New Covenant, we are no longer bound to former Law of Sin and Death as as a result- you cannot be bound to two Laws or Masters in Jesus Christ.

ii) Roman's 8 vs 6 explains that to be focused on the physical things/Carnal or flesh is Death - to be bound to the Law of Sin and Death, condemned to return to dust at the end of it all.
But to be focused on Spiritual- minded implies one is born of Spirit - having entered into the Kingdom of God by being born-again- having gained eternal life , opposite of Death and hence peace from associate fears.

Iii) As for Revelation 2 vs 11, I believe what John recalls from his dream as a "second death" refers to something else he refers to in his dream which he probably explained there.

But so long as we see stil dealing with that which applies to those awake and living and the world we live in, God's definition of Death stands as that which is defined in Genesis for us to trust.

Kobojunkie:
Obviously, it is not my understanding of what is written in even those verses you quote there that is to be questioned.

i) Romans 8 vs 2, clearly states that the Spirit of Truth, the Helper who is the Spirit of Jesus Christ who lives in those who belong to Jesus Christ, has made you free from the Law of Sin and Death - Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17 and by extension , its consequences detailed by God in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19. All that is basically saying is basically 2 things
A. that Jesus Christ makes all those who believe in Him free( this is what Salvation in Jesus Christ saves us from) from the condemnation of sin, against as spelt out by God in Genesis 3 vs 17 -19 .
B. Since we are bound to a new Law, the New Covenant, we are no longer bound to former Law of Sin and Death as as a result- you cannot be bound to two Laws or Masters in Jesus Christ.

Why do true Christians still die physically when they have been delivered from the Law of Sin and Death

Kobojunkie:
ii) Roman's 8 vs 6 explains that to be focused on the physical things/Carnal or flesh is Death - to be bound to the Law of Sin and Death, condemned to return to dust at the end of it all.
But to be focused on Spiritual- minded implies one is born of Spirit - having entered into the Kingdom of God by being born-again- having gained eternal life , opposite of Death and hence peace from associate fears.

Why is it then that Spiritual minded people still die physical death?

Kobojunkie:
Iii) As for Revelation 2 vs 11, I believe what John recalls from his dream as a "second death" refers to something else he refers to in his dream which he probably explained there.

So, you agree that apart from Physical Death, there is another kind of death called the second death (but it is just a mere dream)

When we relate it to the scriptures
1 John 2:17
The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
Matthew 7:13-14
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction , and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

It seems that Jesus also dreamed about life and its opposite for some people at the end of the age?

Kobojunkie:
But so long as we see stil dealing with that which applies to those awake and living and the world we live in, God's definition of Death stands as that which is defined in Genesis for us to trust.

I've given you several scriptures all you need to do is to show that they all mean PHYSICAL DEATH!

Let me Help you out with the rest:

Jam 1:15: "Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death."
WHat kind of death is James speaking about here? Is it Physical Death?

Jam 5:20: "Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death , and shall hide a multitude of sins."
If EVERYONE will surely die, does it mean that not a single sinner in this world have been converted from their way of error?

1Jn 3:14: "We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brothers. He that loves not his brother stays in death."
Since some of us Christians genuinely love our brothers, how come all still physically die?

1Jn 5:16: "If any man see his brother sin [b]a sin which is not to death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not to death. There is a sin to death : I do not say that he shall pray for it."[/b]
Have we all commited the sin that lead to death since ALL men die Physically?

1Jn 5:17: "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not to death."
What in your opinion is the Sin that lead to Death?

shadeyinka:
Why do true Christians still die physically when they have been delivered from the Law of Sin and Death
Why is it then that Spiritual minded people still die physical death?

So, you agree that apart from Physical Death, there is another kind of death called the second death (but it is just a mere dream)

When we relate it to the scriptures
1 John 2:17
The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
Matthew 7:13-14
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction , and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

It seems that Jesus also dreamed about life and its opposite for some people at the end of the age?

I've given you several scriptures all you need to do is to show that they all mean PHYSICAL DEATH!

Let me Help you out with the rest:

Jam 1:15: "Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death."
WHat kind of death is James speaking about here? Is it Physical Death?

Jam 5:20: "Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death , and shall hide a multitude of sins."
If EVERYONE will surely die, does it mean that not a single sinner in this world have been converted from their way of error?

1Jn 3:14: "We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brothers. He that loves not his brother stays in death."
Since some of us Christians genuinely love our brothers, how come all still physically die?

1Jn 5:16: "If any man see his brother sin [b]a sin which is not to death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not to death. There is a sin to death : I do not say that he shall pray for it."[/b]
Have we all commited the sin that lead to death since ALL men die Physically?

1Jn 5:17: "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not to death."
What in your opinion is the Sin that lead to Death?

"Physical" Death, as explained by God in Genesis 3 vs 14-19 clearly reveals that those who cursed are returned to dust from which they were made .i.e. they cease to exist when their tenure on earth is done. They have no afterlife/eternal life to continue onto so their existence comes to an utter end I.e. they become nothing. .

Those who are saved from "Physical" death, do not cease to exist when there time is up but are instead asleep, consciousness stil intact, until the time of the resurrection , when they will be awakened .i.e. resurrected from the dead. These "saved" individuals have eternal life and so they continue living even after they take their last breath, initially in sleep state. Jesus Christ taught us of this in the Parable of the 10 brides - Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13.. 'The dead in Christ' are instead asleep in their graves.

Biodun556:
Instead of you to answer the question

Was that a question? And did you ask a question? Neither of you did!

Kobojunkie:
"Physical" Death, as explained by God in Genesis 3 vs 14-19 clearly reveals that those who cursed are returned to dust from which they were made .i.e. they cease to exist when their tenure on earth is done. They have no afterlife/eternal life to continue onto so their existence comes to an utter end I.e. they become nothing. .

Those who are saved from "Physical" death, do not cease to exist when there time is up but are instead asleep, consciousness stil intact, until the time of the resurrection , when they are awakened. They have eternal life and so they continue living even after death, initially in sleep state. Jesus Christ taught us of this in the Parable of the 10 brides - Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13.. 'The dead in Christ' are instead asleep in their graves.

You can't gloss over the other kinds of death mentioned in the scriptures I presented. This is why it is difficult for you to objectively answer the questions I posted for each of them.

The book of Daniel even affirms that both the righteous and the unrighteous will resurrect from the dead.

Dan 12:2-3:
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life , and some to shame and everlasting contempt . And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

shadeyinka:
You can't gloss over the other kinds of death mentioned in the scriptures I presented. This is why it is difficult for you to objectively answer the questions I posted for each of them.

The book of Daniel even affirms that both the righteous and the unrighteous will resurrect from the dead.

Dan 12:2-3:
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life , and some to shame and everlasting contempt . And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

Again, this is yet another issue with your understanding of what is written there in Daniel 12 vs 2 - 3.

Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 explains what is written there in Daniel of the Righteous(Sheep) and the unrighteous(goats) all of who belong to the flock that is the Kingdom of God .I.e. they all believe and are saved from Death unto eternal life - the righteous for Heaven while the unrighteous for Hell.

Jesus Christ also taught us of the two kinds of people in the Kingdom of God(only those who are born-again can enter the kingdom of God mind you) and they are the good(righteous) seeds that grow to become wheat and the bad or evil(unrighteous) seeds that develop into tares/weeds - Matthew 13

Kobojunkie:
Again, this is yet another issue with your understanding of what is written there in Daniel 12 vs 2 - 3.

Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 explains what is written there in Daniel of the Righteous(Sheep) and the unrighteous(goats) all of who belong to the flock that is the Kingdom of God .I.e. they all believe and are saved from Death unto eternal life - the righteous for Heaven while the unrighteous for Hell.

Jesus Christ also taught us of the two kinds of people in the Kingdom of God(only those who are born-again can enter the kingdom of God mind you) and they are the good(righteous) seeds that grow to become wheat and the bad or evil(unrighteous) seeds that develop into tares/weeds - Matthew 13

Daniel Spoke about the resurrection of both the godly and the ungodly leading to their reward for their actions
Dan 12:2-3:
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life , and some to shame and everlasting contempt . And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
Mt25:31-46 also spoke about the judgement of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

May I ask you a question with respect to Matthew 25:32?
1. Are these goats and sheep every human (dead and alive) or only those who are alive at the coming of Jesus Christ?
2. Will you therefore agree that there will also be a resurrection of the ungodly?

shadeyinka:
Daniel Spoke about the resurrection of both the godly and the ungodly leading to their reward for their actions
Dan 12:2-3:
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life , and some to shame and everlasting contempt . And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
Mt25:31-46 also spoke about the judgement of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

May I ask you a question with respect to Matthew 25:32?
1. Are these goats and sheep every human (dead and alive) or only those who are alive at the coming of Jesus Christ?
2. Will you therefore agree that there will also be a resurrection of the ungodly?

1. Sheep and goats represent every human who has made it into the Kingdom of God (alive or dead) .i.e. believe .j.e. believe in Jesus Christ and have eternal life as a result. The parable of Wheat and Tares explains this too.

2. There is not be a resurrection of the ungodly because the ungodly dont have life after dead to be resurrected into. John 3 vs 1 - 21 clearly tells you that those who refuse to believe in Jesus Christ remain condemned to Death. The same Is repeated in John 3 vs 36. .
Only those with eternal life can be and will be resurrected. The ungodly unbeliever perish in the grave.

P.S Jesus Christ said those who belong to His flock hear His voice and will be raised from the grave. Those who dont believe in the Kingdom of God cannot hear His voice and so will not be raised from the grave.

Kobojunkie:
1. Sheep and goats represent every human who has made it into the Kingdom of God (alive or dead) .i.e. believe .j.e. believe in Jesus Christ and have eternal life as a result. The parable of Wheat and Tares explains this too.

Pastor Kobojunkie! Are you really comprehending the bible?
Matt 25:41
41 Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


1. Are you saying that some people who made it into the kingdom of God were thereafter EVICTED and sent into the eternal fire prepared for satan and his angels?
2. Is the case of the goats not worse than those who didn't make it into the kingdom of God?

Kobojunkie:
2. There is not be a resurrection of the ungodly because the ungodly dont have life after dead to be resurrected into. John 3 vs 1 - 21 clearly tells you that those who refuse to believe in Jesus Christ remain condemned to Death. The same Is repeated in John 3 vs 36. .
Only those with eternal life can be and will be resurrected. The ungodly unbeliever perish in the grave.

Really!?
Acts 24:15
15and I have the same hope in God that they themselves cherish, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

John 5:28-29
“Marvel not at this: for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.
Daniel 12:2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

Kobojunkie:
P.S Jesus Christ said those who belong to His flock hear His voice and will be raised from the grave. Those who don't believe in the Kingdom of God cannot hear His voice and so will not be raised from the grave.

Brother, read your bible by yourself and come to an understanding of the truth.

John 5:28-29
28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice 29 and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

-ALL will hear His voice
-those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment

What is difficult in understanding direct scriptures like this?