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The simple truth is virtually all major countries disregard international law when it suits them and there is no police of international law
If you are the US or heir friend it does not apply to you.

The US used the phrase "WAR ON TERROR" to justify all kinds of atrocities

Water boarding
Extraordinary rendition( read up the Abu Omar case or all the dozens of people in Guantanamo bay prison
Outsourcing torture or so called enhanced interrogation techniques
Did the US follow due process in killing Osama bin Laden or The Iranian general? Who can hold them to account?


If the hope is that one Western country is going to free Kanu that is a pipe dream

michelz:
I am quoting you hoping that you would be able to reason this logically without emotions.
MNK, didn't need to be extradited. He was neither on asylum in UK nor in Kenya. So there was no need to follow the normal extradition process. He simply ran away to UK without seeking asylum from them. Persons of political interest usually run to a country and seek asylum, and if the country in question accepts, then to get him back to the country where he is wanted, you would have to follow the extradition process.
The Fg of Nigeria can simply pick him up from any country ( including the UK) by just merely following the basic rules of arrest and deportation with even a subtle cooperation of the host country. Naturally, the processes of extradition doesn't apply here.
MNK made mistakes. He should have presented himself as a political person of interest in UK or Kenya and sought asylum in UK. K
I'm not certain he did this.

Do you seek asylum from your own country?

aribisala0:
The simple truth is virtually all major countries disregard international law when it suits them and there is no police of international law
If you are the US or heir friend it does not apply to you.

The US used the phrase "WAR ON TERROR" to justify all kinds of atrocities

Water boarding
Extraordinary rendition( read up the Abu Omar case or all the dozens of people in Guantanamo bay prison
Outsourcing torture or so called enhanced interrogation techniques
Did the US follow due process in killing Osama bin Laden or The Iranian general? Who can hold them to account?


If the hope is that one Western country is going to free Kanu that is a pipe dream

The truth is Kanu was never seen as a terrorist bar Nigeria. So the comparison or rather the argument about Osama bin laden shouldn't exist.

mabea:
The truth is Kanu was never seen as a terrorist bar Nigeria. So the comparison or rather the argument about Osama bin laden shouldn't exist.

Those who arrested him are making that claim so they are the one you need to argue with.

"Truth" ? Whose truth? Everyone opinion or belief is their own truth

"seen as terrorist" what does that mean?

Kanu is in court which for me is better than the assassination of Osama bin laden without due process.

Hundreds of people are detained in Guantanamo Bay and hundreds more abducted by the CIA all in the name of "WAR ON TERROR" Many autocratic regimes have learnt and copied the practice. Just claim you are fighting WAR ON TERROR and nothing will happen. Absolutely nothing

I am not saying it is right or wrong just that all governments do this so there is no government anywhere that will hold Nigeria to account

That is the bitter reality.

ejanla077:
Simplyleo come add a little education to your head pls. Na beg we dey beg

Helinues erasethedot quotasystem ngeneukwenu monogamy.. Juliusmalema Anambra and easten branch bmc

All these names and you forgot the zombie-in-chief?

michelz:
I am quoting you hoping that you would be able to reason this logically without emotions.
MNK, didn't need to be extradited. He was neither on asylum in UK nor in Kenya. So there was no need to follow the normal extradition process. He simply ran away to UK without seeking asylum from them. Persons of political interest usually run to a country and seek asylum, and if the country in question accepts, then to get him back to the country where he is wanted, you would have to follow the extradition process.
The Fg of Nigeria can simply pick him up from any country ( including the UK) by just merely following the basic rules of arrest and deportation with even a subtle cooperation of the host country. Naturally, the processes of extradition doesn't apply here.
MNK made mistakes. He should have presented himself as a political person of interest in UK or Kenya and sought asylum in UK.
I'm not certain he did this.

Taa shatap, you can't arrest anyone in another country say na can simply pick him up in any country, then why are they hiding details of the arrest? We saw how Interpol video taped the arrest of Hushpuppy and released it to the public, make them do something similar na

melodyogonna:
Taa shatap, you can't arrest anyone in another country say na can simply pick him up in any country, then why are they hiding details of the arrest? We saw how Interpol video taped the arrest of Hushpuppy and released it to the topic, make them do something similar na

The zombiac Nigerians are in denial.

SlayerForever:
The zombiac Nigerians are in denial.

Na all these people wey dey use long sentences to mask ignorance

melodyogonna:
Taa shatap, you can't arrest anyone in another country say na can simply pick him up in any country, then why are they hiding details of the arrest? We saw how Interpol video taped the arrest of Hushpuppy and released it to the public, make them do something similar na

So because Interpol released the video of the arrest of Hushpuppi to the public, Fg must do same?
What if the arrest wasn't captured on video, does that make it illegal?
You see, some of you are not capable of deep reasoning. You just think one way straight like a goat.

Unigrad:
You didn't read the news were the Kenya government said they don't know anything about Nnamdi Kanu arrest and they are suing Nigeria government? And also, their security officers that compromised their border integrity for Nigeria government to pass easily have been arrested? Or is it fake news?

The Star newspaper in Kenya had also reported that Kanu was arrested at Jomo Kenyatta Airport, from where he was handed over to Nigeria’s security agencies.

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2021/07/02/kenyatta-kenya-not-involved-in-nnamdi-kanus-arrest-high-commissioner/

It was reported by a major Kenyan news outlet that the terrorist was arrested and handed over to the Nigerian government? Does the above story sound to you like Kidnapping?

How do you kidnap and handed the kidnapped person to yourself?

Plausible deniability is the ability to deny any involvement in illegal or unethical activities because there is no clear evidence to prove involvement. The lack of evidence makes the denial credible, or plausible. The use of the tactic implies forethought, such as intentionally setting up the conditions to plausibly avoid responsibility for one’s future actions.

https://politicaldictionary.com/words/plausible-deniability/

Kenya denied being part of the operation for obvious reasons, diplomatically, it's called plausible denial.

If Kanu was truly arrested in Kenya on Kenta soil, that means it was a gross violation of Kenyan laws and sovereignty and international laws so have you asked yourself why Kenya is not shouting and screaming that Nigeria violated their laws and National sovereignty or why the international community is not condemning Nigeria for kidnapping on a foreign soil or why the UK is not barking and threatening Nigeria for
kidnapping their citizen?

Obviously, it was a covert operation carried out with the cooperation of many countries and intelligence agencies including Kenya, Interpol and the UK.

Again, ask yourself why Kenya or any country on the surface of the earth is yet to claim or allege that we kidnapped on their soil or violate any country's laws or international laws. It means it was a legit international operation.


Abeg, you people need to start thinking like adults..

michelz:
So because Interpol released the video of the arrest of Hushpuppi to the public, Fg must do same?
What if the arrest wasn't captured on video, does that make it illegal?
You see, some of you are not capable of deep reasoning. You just think one way straight like a goat.

Chief, no country has any right to make an arrest in another country, that is violating the sovereignty of the country in question, which is an act of war ... unless the country gave you permission of course. Then it boils down to international laws, criminals have rights until proven guilty, did you follow the internationally mandated process of making an arrest in a foreign country, did you go through the repatriation process.

melodyogonna:
Chief, no country has any right to make an arrest in another country, that is violating the sovereignty of the country in question, which is an act of war ... unless the country gave you permission of course. Then it boils down to international laws, criminals have rights until proven guilty, did you follow the internationally mandated process of making an arrest in a foreign country, did you go through the repatriation process.

Sadly for you, not a single country is out there claiming that Nigeria violated its laws or sovereignty so have you asked yourself why?

These terrorist lovers just can not think straight.

NGpatriot:
Sadly for you, not a single country is out there claiming that Nigeria violated its laws or sovereignty so have you asked yourself why?

These terrorist lovers just can not think straight.

It is not sad for me chief, I'm just making a correction. What we're witnessing is international politics, the only surprised people are those that don't understand how it works.

melodyogonna:
Chief, no country has any right to make an arrest in another country, that is violating the sovereignty of the country in question, which is an act of war ... unless the country gave you permission of course. Then it boils down to international laws, criminals have rights until proven guilty, did you follow the internationally mandated process of making an arrest in a foreign country, did you go through the repatriation process.

You want me to be breaking it into bits for you?
You are funny. Whatever you mean by "...follow the internationally mandated process of making arrest in a foreign country..."
If US government followed all these your exotic processes, you think several offenders outside the US would have been apprehended and some of them killed outrightly by the US government?
I said it in my earlier post which you quoted but obviously didn't read, that just with the permission of Kenyan government, Fg can capture MNK. It doesn't have to be through formal extradition process since MNK wasn't in Kenya as a refugee.
Fg of Nigeria can simply present a written note telling any relevant authority in Kenya that they want MNK, the Kenyan authority will simply authorize it and send officials to arrest MNK and hand him over to Fg. Simple.
Now in this scenario, you wouldn't necessarily know other diplomatic deals Nigerian Fg made with Kenyan government for the arrest to be made.

michelz:
You want me to be breaking it into bits for you?
You are funny. Whatever you mean by "...follow the internationally mandated process of making arrest in a foreign country..."
If US government followed all these your exotic processes, you think several offenders outside the US would have been apprehended and some of them killed outrightly by the US government?
I said it in my earlier post which you quoted but obviously didn't read, that just with the permission of Kenyan government, Fg can capture MNK. It doesn't have to be through formal extradition process since MNK wasn't in Kenya as a refugee.
Fg of Nigeria can simply present a written note telling any relevant authority in Kenya that they want MNK, the Kenyan authority will simply authorize it and send officials to arrest MNK and hand him over to Fg. Simple.
Now in this scenario, you wouldn't necessarily know other diplomatic deals Nigerian Fg made with Kenyan government for the arrest to be made.

Then they didn't follow international diplomatic laws which means they can be sued in the international criminal court. Nnamdi Kanu's lawyer already said that's the process they're following, which is why Kenyan government is looking to extradite itself from the whole thing by denying involvement - of course Nigeria had help from Kenya, Nnamdi Kanu's lawyer already made it clear, but an international level politics is going on.

Make we dey watch and see. I just wanted to make sure you understand you can't just arrest someone in a foreign soil without permission.

melodyogonna:
Then they didn't follow international diplomatic laws which means they can be sued in the international criminal court. Nnamdi Kanu's lawyer already said that's the process they're following, which is why Kenyan government is looking to extradite itself from the whole thing by denying involvement - of course Nigeria had help from Kenya, Nnamdi Kanu's lawyer already made it clear, but an international level politics is going on.

Make we dey watch and see. I just wanted to make sure you understand you can't just arrest someone in a foreign soil without permission.

As per your last paragraph, did I ever imply that you can arrest someone in a foreign country without permission?
In fact, I am quite sure I said specifically that permission is needed.
What I don't see as relevant is following extradition process in arresting someone in a peculiar situation such as MNK was. I reiterate that for you to follow such procedure, the person of interest as a matter of fact must be a recognised refugee in that country in question. Then, the law of the country would be mandated to protect him or offer him special status that would require the extradition process. In this case, I have maintained, MNK wasn't in Kenya as a refugee ( as far as we know so far). He didn't even travel to Kenya from UK with relevant documents signifying his "special status" in UK.
Well, let's see how it unfolds. I hope to get back to you as things unravel.

The U.N has just reinforced the earlier stance here of gross human rights violations by the Kenyan and Nigerian governments on Nnamdi Kanu's person.

Lalasticlala this thread throws more light on, and expands on the front page thread below. It should be on the front page.
https://www.nairaland.com/6821469/un-queries-nigerian-government-over

michelz:
I am quoting you hoping that you would be able to reason this logically without emotions.
MNK, didn't need to be extradited. He was neither on asylum in UK nor in Kenya. So there was no need to follow the normal extradition process. He simply ran away to UK without seeking asylum from them. Persons of political interest usually run to a country and seek asylum, and if the country in question accepts, then to get him back to the country where he is wanted, you would have to follow the extradition process.
The Fg of Nigeria can simply pick him up from any country ( including the UK) by just merely following the basic rules of arrest and deportation with even a subtle cooperation of the host country. Naturally, the processes of extradition doesn't apply here.
MNK made mistakes. He should have presented himself as a political person of interest in UK or Kenya and sought asylum in Uk
I'm not certain he did this.

THIS MUST BE THE MOST STUPID POST IVE EVER READ. NIGERIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS NO JURISDICTUON TO ENFORCE THEIR LAWS IN A FOREIGN NATION AND ON A FOREIGN NATIONAL . THIS IS THE TYPE OF ARGUMENT OUR SHARIA GRADUATE CJN WILL MAKE. ABI THEYLL ENFORCE NIGERIAN LAW IN THE UK? VERY USELESS ARGUMENT... FINALLY MNK IS A FREAKING BRITISH CITIZEN... WHAT THE HECK DOES HE NEED ASYLUM FOR ?!!!!! NA WA OO...

revolt:
THIS MUST BE THE MOST STUPID POST IVE EVER READ. NIGERIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS NO JURISDICTUON TO ENFORCE THEIR LAWS. THIS IS THE TYPE OF ARGUMENT OUR SHARIA GRADUATE CJN WILL MAKE. ABI THEYLL ENFORCE NIGERIAN LAW ON THE UK? VERY USELESS ARGUMENT... FINALLY MNK IS A FREAKING BRITISH CITIZEN... WHAT THE HECK DOES HE NEED ASYLUM FOR ?!!!!! NA WA OO...

Your argument is that MNK who is a British citizen was illegally arrested, right?
So why is the UK not insisting that he must be released since his arrest is illegal?
You see, you need to reason some things beyond the general IPOB sentiments.

michelz:
Your argument is that MNK who is a British citizen was illegally arrested, right?
So why is the UK not insisting that he must be released since his arrest is illegal?
You see, you need to reason some things beyond the general IPOB sentiments.

UK HAS INTERESTS IN NIGERIA AND WOULDNT OUTRIGHTLY DEMAND A REPATRIATION TO PROTECT THE BIGGER POCTURE... INFACT THE UK WOULD NATURALLY SACRIFICE ONE OF ITS CITIZENS TO SAFEGUARD ITS INTEREST....THATS WHY THEY SEND THOUSAND OF LIVES TO DIE FOR THE COUNTRYS INTEREST. ITS FUNNY I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS... THE ONLY READIN THEY HAVE TO STILL STAND AND ENSURE MNK ISNT KILLED IS TO AGOID THE LEGAL ACTIONS THAT WOULD THWY WPULD BAYTLE IN THE UK IF THEY DONT UPHOLD THEIR CONSTITUTION AS REGARDS PROTECTING HER CITIZENS. SO THE UK IS BEING DIPLOMATIC.. IF NOT FPR THAT KANU WPULD HAVE BEEN KILLED IN KENYA.

AfricanColumbus:
Eastern Consigliere:


International Law Pertaining To Lawful Transfer Of Wanted Persons.

Several instances abound as to situations where a state requests the arrest and subsequent handover of a wanted person (or persons). Evolution of international legal practice over the decades has brought about necessary changes to the process of securing custody of wanted persons across state borders, especially with a view to protecting human rights.

The process of transfer, commonly known as extradition is a strictly legal process which involves the jurisdictions of two sovereign nations. International law(and in some cases state law) dictates that processes of extradition be legally overseen for several reasons. This will include ensuring respect to the sovereignty of individual nation states, ensuring that the laid down judicial apparatus of state, and international law are not relegated, ensuring that internationally recognized statutes are respected, ensuring the protection of international human rights, avoiding state (or multiple state) conflict, avoiding strain in diplomatic relations that may arise from extra judicial practices and war etc.

The handover of a wanted person (or persons) will usually fall under 3 categorizations:

*Extradition*: a formal request for the hand over or transfer of a wanted person from one state to another for the said persons to face trial in a competent court, overseen by the sovereign jurisdictions of the two states involved. This process will usually involve two sovereign nations. Extradition falls under the broader scope of Rendition.

*Rendition* : Process of handover or transfer of persons to a country where they are wanted. Rendition may be lawful or unlawful depending on the situation surrounding the handover of such wanted persons. To bypass the judicial processes of formal transfer is however forbidden in international law.

*Extraordinary Rendition*: Will usually involve 3 states. A process where a country sponsors (or solely carries out) the transfer or return of a non-citizen while the non-citizen is outside the territories of their home state. Extraordinary rendition is the illegal act of abducting and transferring wanted persons who are non-citizens across state lines without recourse to proper jurisdictional processes. It is regarded as a severe human rights infringement and a serious criminal offence in international law.


States that have engaged in unlawful or extraordinary rendition may be charged at the International Court Of Justice by another member state or at the International Criminal Court by a prosecutor.

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Lalasticlala.

Buhari and his illiterate minions done buy market.
Let me see how they escape this one.

michelz:
I am quoting you hoping that you would be able to reason this logically without emotions.
MNK, didn't need to be extradited. He was neither on asylum in UK nor in Kenya. So there was no need to follow the normal extradition process. He simply ran away to UK without seeking asylum from them. Persons of political interest usually run to a country and seek asylum, and if the country in question accepts, then to get him back to the country where he is wanted, you would have to follow the extradition process.
The Fg of Nigeria can simply pick him up from any country ( including the UK) by just merely following the basic rules of arrest and deportation with even a subtle cooperation of the host country. Naturally, the processes of extradition doesn't apply here.
MNK made mistakes. He should have presented himself as a political person of interest in UK or Kenya and sought asylum in UK.
I'm not certain he did this.

Do you have examples or give any section of any international law to back up your claims.

NGpatriot:
....obviously, in your uninformed mind, there was no such nation-to-nation cooperation and binding agreement that necessitated arrest and transfer.

The fact that they are not publicizing the operation all over the place doesn't mean the international extradition process was never followed.

Have you ever wondered why not a single country is going after Nigeria for kidnapping on their soil and violating their Sovereignty?

Have you ever wondered why there's complete silence all over the world?

You, people, are just too elementary in your thinking, mo critical thinking, no knowledge, no depth, you just string together shallow thoughts and understanding of events.

There was a legal arrest and transfer warrant which was executed with the assistance of international intelligence agencies.

Kenya has blatantly denied any involvement in Nnamdi Kanu's extra-ordinary rendition.

Nigeria is in soup.
IPOB is formidable.

michelz:
I quoted someone else yet you jumped in all pumped with full emotions and zero logical reasoning, and when I called you out for it, you're saying that you don't care for lengthy explanation.
This is why most of you fail at every turn.
Just take a good look at yourself and people like you.
You think you're doing MNK any good by being deliberately illogical?
You are part of the main problems of MNK and Igbos.

Shut up your mouth, this illiterate, you are talking rubbish and have not the slightest idea of the topic you are dabbling into.

Zombie mugu dey form intellectual. Enwe!

michelz:
I am quoting you hoping that you would be able to reason this logically without emotions.
MNK, didn't need to be extradited. He was neither on asylum in UK nor in Kenya. So there was no need to follow the normal extradition process. He simply ran away to UK without seeking asylum from them. Persons of political interest usually run to a country and seek asylum, and if the country in question accepts, then to get him back to the country where he is wanted, you would have to follow the extradition process.
The Fg of Nigeria can simply pick him up from any country ( including the UK) by just merely following the basic rules of arrest and deportation with even a subtle cooperation of the host country. Naturally, the processes of extradition doesn't apply here.
MNK made mistakes. He should have presented himself as a political person of interest in UK or Kenya and sought asylum in UK.
I'm not certain he did this.

Asylum



Nnamdi Kanu is already a British citizen, what the hell are you saying


Menh put your hatred for Kanu aside and view things from that dude's perspective, the Nigerian and Kenyan government really goofed

LLiKYekoba:
Shut up your mouth, this illiterate, you are talking rubbish and have not the slightest idea of the topic you are dabbling into.

Zombie mugu dey form intellectual. Enwe!

Na una way na - all emotion with zero sense. I don't blame you shaa. Na internet cause am. You'd have the guts to throw insults about even to persons you wouldn't be able to wipe the sole of their shoes.
We are watching you guys. You will soon tell us the place where blind people lead normal people. Tout!