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TAO11:
I have pointed out to you that history/scholarship does not work the crude way of merely observing the English spellings of certain words and then conclude ancestral relationship from that.

For example, I have unpacked the name Ugbo of the ancient Ife account and no where does s-easterners fit.

Similarly, the name Owu of the Yorubas relates to the name of a group of people. The Owu of the s-eastern group on the other hand is most likely not uttered the same way as ours (hence a different word), and most certainly does not refer to the name of a group of people (hence a different word).

It is very naive to think that the fact that words have the same English spelling points to some ancestral relationship.

Yorubas are not from Japan, England. etc. despite the multitude of words which coincidentally appear alike (and with same meaning this time) in terms of their spellings using roman orthographies.

Cheers!

Christistruth00:
It is the very Same Owu Festival that they are Celebrating as the Owu People

TAO11:
Where do the south-easterners say that?

The Yoruba subgroup celebrate the name of their own group — Owu.

Those Igbos celebrate the name of what? And please cite where they gave the answer.

PS:
The two words only appear the same in spelling (using the spelling convention and orthography of our foreign, non-indigenous ‘colonial masters’).

Where is your proof to support the idea that the two words even sound alike (which is necessary, although not even sufficient for the words to refer to the same thing), let alone refer to the same thing?

Christistruth00:
In both the Owu Yoruba and the Oguta of Imo State Owu Festival it is the Harvest they Celebrate

But the way the Owu Celebrate their own is different from other Yorubas

TAO11:
False!

Owu of the Yorubas is the name of a group of people.

Hence Owu festival in the Yoruba context refers to the celebration of the sub-group, the people.

The south-easterners’ Owu (which most certainly sounds differently) is the name of what?

No one is even talking about “tHe wAy” yet when you actually haven’t even shown that the words have any chances of being the same in proper indigenous spelling (which incorporates the tones).

In fact, the words refer actually to two different and distinct things regardless of the appearance of their roman orthographies:

(1) The Yorubas’ “Owu” refers to the name of a Yoruba sub-group of people.

(2) The Igbos’ “Owu” refers to the name of what?

Cheers.

Christistruth00:
TAO I don’t agree with you

Juliusmalema:
Do I look like someone who eat oily soup or fell from the sky?

The Journalist is only massaging the ego of his boss Sowore for monthly pay.


Inukwa historical ties.... mtcheew.

Pa3cia:
Wish we could use emojis or Gif to comment, omo this your reply weak me, I don laugh scatter for ground, na to pack myself remain

theTranslator:
[color=#000000][url=saharareporters.com/2019/03/04/do-igbo-and-yoruba-know-they-are-sons-oduduwa-fredrick-nwabufo]Do The Igbo and the Yoruba Know They Are
Sons Of "Oduduwa"[/color]?[/url] By
Fredrick Nwabufo

In other words, the Yoruba and the Igbo are indigenous to the geographical area called “Nigeria”.
And it has also been argued thatboth groups are of a singularancestry.

And the Supreme Being commissioned Oduduwa, a "sky-god", to carry out a terrestrial task; he descended from heaven with a cockerel which had sixfingers. And the earth was made by himthrough the ingenious deployment of his
avian subject. But that was after‘Atewonro’ had sprinkled some dirt on the ocean to found Ile-Ife. And he had wives,and sons who founded other kingdoms. So the mythic origin of theYoruba says.
In Igbo mythic origin, the Supreme Being sent Eri down to earth to establish balance and social order. The "sky-god" founded Nri, and he had wives, and sons who founded other Igbo towns and communities.
The Yoruba and the Igbo share a lot more than similar mythic origins. They are the oldest inhabitants of the areas they live in.
In other words, the Yoruba and the Igbo are indigenous to the geographical area called “Nigeria”. And it has also been
argued that both groups are of a singular ancestry.
The two groups have had established trade-links dating to the period before contact with the first Europeans. And they are known to share passion for industry; are convivial, accommodating and peace loving.
Also, there is no documented history of war between the Igbo and the Yoruba despite occupying the same "southern
hemisphere".In the precolonial times,wars among kingdoms and natives were common, but there appears to be no recorded incident of battle between the clans and kingdoms of the two groups. In language, they are both of the Kwa-group Niger-Congo origin. The similarities between the Yoruba and the Igbo language are remarkable, if not uncanny,which point to an identical fount.
Despite having so much in common,politics has been a pesky point of dissonance for both groups. Though the Igbo and the Yoruba do not have a romantic political history; they have keptthe dagger away from their rivalry.
The outcome of the Western Region elections of 1951, in which Nnamdi Azikiwe claimed he was sabotaged by Obafemi Awolowo, perhaps laid the molten magma of political rivalry between the two groups.
Some associates of Azikiwe alleged thatAwolowo, leader of the Action Group,bought over members of the NCNC, after they had won elections on the platform of the party in the western region, to scuttle Zik’s plan of being the leader of theregional assembly.
They also claimed that Awolowo scuttled Zik’s “one-Nigeria” agenda, and introduced tribal politics.
However, there is no proof to substantiatethese claims. In fact, the allegation regarding Awolowo’s sabotage of Zik wasdisproved by the colonial government at the time.
So, over the years, stories have been revised and passed down to generationswho do not probe the information but hold it as a grudge against the other.
Most young people trading hate on social media cannot actually say their grievance against those they are tugging with, except to echo the refrain of revised stories handed down to them and to act on stereotypes they have been socialised by.
But can the Igbo and the Yoruba ever unite? Yes, they can. And they will. There will come a time when there is no option,but for them to hold each other in a warm
embrace as "descendants of sky-gods."
There will come that time.


Fredrick is a media personality.
Twitter: @FredrickNwabufo

https://saharareporters.com/2019/03/04/do-igbo-and-yoruba-know-they-are-sons-oduduwa-fredrick-nwabufo
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https://opinionnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Fredrick-Nwabufo.jpg

theTranslator:

theTranslator:
[color=#000000][url=saharareporters.com/2019/03/04/do-igbo-and-yoruba-know-they-are-sons-oduduwa-fredrick-nwabufo]Do The Igbo and the Yoruba Know They Are
Sons Of "Oduduwa"[/color]?[/url] By
Fredrick Nwabufo

In other words, the Yoruba and the Igbo are indigenous to the geographical area called “Nigeria”.
And it has also been argued thatboth groups are of a singularancestry.

And the Supreme Being commissioned Oduduwa, a "sky-god", to carry out a terrestrial task; he descended from heaven with a cockerel which had sixfingers. And the earth was made by himthrough the ingenious deployment of his
avian subject. But that was after‘Atewonro’ had sprinkled some dirt on the ocean to found Ile-Ife. And he had wives,and sons who founded other kingdoms. So the mythic origin of theYoruba says.
In Igbo mythic origin, the Supreme Being sent Eri down to earth to establish balance and social order. The "sky-god" founded Nri, and he had wives, and sons who founded other Igbo towns and communities.
The Yoruba and the Igbo share a lot more than similar mythic origins. They are the oldest inhabitants of the areas they live in.
In other words, the Yoruba and the Igbo are indigenous to the geographical area called “Nigeria”. And it has also been
argued that both groups are of a singular ancestry.
The two groups have had established trade-links dating to the period before contact with the first Europeans. And they are known to share passion for industry; are convivial, accommodating and peace loving.
Also, there is no documented history of war between the Igbo and the Yoruba despite occupying the same "southern
hemisphere".In the precolonial times,wars among kingdoms and natives were common, but there appears to be no recorded incident of battle between the clans and kingdoms of the two groups. In language, they are both of the Kwa-group Niger-Congo origin. The similarities between the Yoruba and the Igbo language are remarkable, if not uncanny,which point to an identical fount.
Despite having so much in common,politics has been a pesky point of dissonance for both groups. Though the Igbo and the Yoruba do not have a romantic political history; they have keptthe dagger away from their rivalry.
The outcome of the Western Region elections of 1951, in which Nnamdi Azikiwe claimed he was sabotaged by Obafemi Awolowo, perhaps laid the molten magma of political rivalry between the two groups.
Some associates of Azikiwe alleged thatAwolowo, leader of the Action Group,bought over members of the NCNC, after they had won elections on the platform of the party in the western region, to scuttle Zik’s plan of being the leader of theregional assembly.
They also claimed that Awolowo scuttled Zik’s “one-Nigeria” agenda, and introduced tribal politics.
However, there is no proof to substantiatethese claims. In fact, the allegation regarding Awolowo’s sabotage of Zik wasdisproved by the colonial government at the time.
So, over the years, stories have been revised and passed down to generationswho do not probe the information but hold it as a grudge against the other.
Most young people trading hate on social media cannot actually say their grievance against those they are tugging with, except to echo the refrain of revised stories handed down to them and to act on stereotypes they have been socialised by.
But can the Igbo and the Yoruba ever unite? Yes, they can. And they will. There will come a time when there is no option,but for them to hold each other in a warm
embrace as "descendants of sky-gods."
There will come that time.


Fredrick is a media personality.
Twitter: @FredrickNwabufo

https://saharareporters.com/2019/03/04/do-igbo-and-yoruba-know-they-are-sons-oduduwa-fredrick-nwabufo
Lalasticlala
Mynd44
https://opinionnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Fredrick-Nwabufo.jpg