donstan18:
Just checked, Sterling gave ManCity 26 G/A despite being dropped for some games.

He made Euro TOTT, but he should be called a monkey and racially abused, while a sluggish flop like Fraudvertz should be hyped.

Impressive!!

CAPdan21:
Some people need to be banned from using the internet...One foolish sadistic bastard is using this space to promote hate and dangerous agendas...donno why people reply him sef, someone that's just looking for attention.. I've known people like this, once u ignore them they'll crawl back to the hole they came out from

who is this one feeling important??

Who created last season's NL Chelsea Fam FPL? Aren't we doing it again this season?

raumdeuter:


Ulli wants to talk about Ozils football not about taking pictures with Erdogan. Making the talking point about his photo is distracting from the main point which is the quality of football.

Werner is shitt at scoring, but he wants to talk about how the coach does not like him as a reason for getting dropped, You are getting dropped because you cannot score and not about how the coach doesnt like you

Its different because players like Saka and Sterling(who has been Englands best player) are getting attacked sometimes without provocation. Sterling can as much as kiss his daughter or post a picture in a restaurant while on vacation Saka stepped up where other senior players chickened out and someone will call him monkey

Ozil announced he had quit the team because of how he was treated in Germany

Could Hoeness not have simply said, I'm glad he was gone as he was shiit?

Why did he feel the need to accuse Ozil of 'hiding' behind racism? This is the real question here

This exactly the same thing this fool said:

Havertz10:
no, i'm saying that Rashford shouldn't hide behind racism anytime he underperforms and gets dragged, he should accept that he underperformed and step up

raumdeuter:


Ulli wants to talk about Ozils football not about taking pictures with Erdogan. Making the talking point about his photo is distracting from the main point which is the quality of football.

Werner is shitt at scoring, but he wants to talk about how the coach does not like him as a reason for getting dropped, You are getting dropped because you cannot score and not about how the coach doesnt like you

Its different because players like Saka and Sterling(who has been Englands best player) are getting attacked sometimes without provocation. Sterling can as much as kiss his daughter or post a picture in a restaurant while on vacation and someone will call him monkey

sterling's issues started after he left liverpool, he was young and loved by all, they weren't happy with the way he left, they have been attacking him ever since and he hasn't lived up to expectations, they will continually take advantage of that to hate on him and call him names, that will never stop, unless he becomes a big enough star to shut down the hate

I don't like courtois because he left Chelsea but I wouldn't go to his Instagram page and call him names, some people have that time and energy, you can't defeat them by complaining, you have to prove to them that you are bigger than their words with your actions


How many players were constantly booed because of their actions and eventually won over the crowd

I don't look at life as black and white, I look at all the shades between both sides


That's what blacks can't understand, racism is victim mentality, dave chappelle said it best: sometimes you have to be a lion, to be the lamb you really are

Ibime:
I don't know if black people are getting worked up by the racism those three boys received but from my Watsapp messages I believe so.

My take is there will always be a minority of racists in any country at any time, whether that's 1% or 3% or 5%. That's why we have minority far-right groups like BNP, National Front, English Defence League and so on. As long as they stay minority, it is never a problem as they don't affect the policies of the societies we live in.

Given that these people are there, they are bound to show up on Social media. Have we counted how many racist messages were received by Rashford and co? Is it material enough for black people in the UK to make it a central theme of discuss over the last week, or is it in line with a minority population which we know exist and can never be eradicated completely. The issue for me from a statistical point of view is in some of the Watsapp videos I've seen labelling Britain a racist society because a minute number of people decided to abuse Rashford and co. Why don't we just put this down to Social Media giving everyone a voice, including the 1% of Nazis we already know exist among us?

This one is a different issue.

In the wake of that PK shootout, there were several racist videos and floating around, infact I just sent you one on whatsapp.
Below is one of the ones that reached me via whatsapp. They may be unverified, but coupled with the fact that these 3 boys actually received torrential racist abuse, many black people would be wound up.

You're right that this is a small minority doing it, but during such a tense and emotional national event, nobody really cares for that. The crazy thing about it is that racial abuse on social media such as what happened to Ian Wright for example, is not even worthy of a conviction.

So of course, Black people would be understandly wound up at this point, especially if you're active on social media

Havertz10:
no, i'm saying that Rashford shouldn't hide behind racism anytime he underperforms and gets dragged, he should accept that he underperformed and step up

You can't control people, you can only change that perception of you, if people feel that the best way to attack him is to call him a monkey, he shouldn't allow that get to him, it's the way the world is, it will never stop, bending a knee or wearing armbands that forbids racism wouldn't change it, you can only change a society by elevating yourself, there are so many example in history of cultures that were undermined and turned the narrative around, blacks have learnt to be lazy

We weren't the only slaves, other tribes and people were captured and used as slaves but we are the only ones still talking about it till today, the difference between us and chimpanzee is 5% besides why would words affect you, no matter what anybody says to you, it's up to you to decide if their words would be impactful or not, Rashford is milking it because he wants to bury his performances behind it

Nobody can ever insult me and it will get to me, i'm beyond such manipulations abeg

You are still trying to make racism a trivial issue and it is annoying. If not for the strong stance football governing bodies made against racism, football would have been an unpopular sports. Would you rather we go back to the time white fans don't celebrate goals scored by black or boo black players... Do you know Emmanuel Eboue has been violently attacked by a fan while trying to take a throw? Do you know how it started?? They were making monkey chants and he borrowed your advice to turn a deaf ear toward it.. A fan got bold enough to attack him with punches.

The fight is to squash the idea that you are superior to another due to your skin color cos such belief breeds such ugly violent situation. You, a full born and bred African man is trying to undermine the fight by trivializing racism while attacking Rashford's intentions which should be your secondary concern.

We love football because it is a uniting factor which breeds love and respect, not hostility. For when we watch it, we don't care if our fellow fan is black, white, muslim, christian, buddhist etc

arukwe123:
who is this one feeling important??

...if you don't have anything of note to contribute pls don't quote me...peace

airmark:


What's Ibi? Type Ibime in full so you can get your reply.

Ibi in Igbo language means Elephantiasis of the scrotum.

Havertz10:
sterling's issues started after he left liverpool, he was young and loved by all, they weren't happy with the way he left, they have been attacking him ever since and he hasn't lived up to expectations, they will continually take advantage of that to hate on him and call him names, that will never stop, unless he becomes a big enough star to shut down the hate

I don't like courtois because he left Chelsea but I wouldn't go to his Instagram page and call him names, some people have that time and energy, you can't defeat them by complaining, you have to prove to them that you are bigger than their words with your actions


How many players were constantly booed because of their actions and eventually won over the crowd

I don't look at life as black and white, I look at all the shades between both sides


That's what blacks can't understand, racism is victim mentality, dave chappelle said it best: sometimes you have to be a lion, to be the lamb you really are

How else can Sterling live up to expectation?
Or let me ask what were the expectations for Sterling and how many attacking players have posted better stats than Sterling both for club and country

According to transfermarkt post Liverpool Sterling played for City 292times, he has 114 goals and 88 assists Despite not being the key penalty shooter, main dead ball shooter

292 games(including sub appearance) over 200 g+a

I will like to know 5 players globally not named Messi and Ronaldo who have posted the same stats or similar in the last 5 seasons. So what exactly is this expectation he has not met?

For National team at this Euro 3 goals 2 assists (How many players have better stats)

If they insult everyone, Sterling and Saka are the least deserving of insults based on this Euros but you know some fans don't think

CAPdan21:

...if you don't have anything of note to contribute pls don't quote me...peace

oya kill yourself I just quoted you

raumdeuter:


How else can Sterling live up to expectation?
Or let me ask what were the expectations for Sterling and how many attacking players have posted better stats than Sterling both for club and country

According to transfermarkt post Liverpool Sterling played for City 292times, he has 114 goals and 88 assists Despite not being the key penalty shooter, main dead ball shooter

292 games(including sub appearance) over 200 g+a

I will like to know 5 players globally not named Messi and Ronaldo who have posted the same stats or similar in the last 5 seasons. So what exactly is this expectation he has not met?

For National team at this Euro 3 goals 2 assists (How many players have better stats)

If they insult everyone, Sterling and Saka are the least deserving of insults based on this Euros but you know some fans don't think

it's probably has to do with the absurd thinking that black people need to do more than the White's to deserve respect for their achievements

raumdeuter:


How else can Sterling live up to expectation?
Or let me ask what were the expectations for Sterling and how many attacking players have posted better stats than Sterling both for club and country

According to transfermarkt post Liverpool Sterling played for City 292times, he has 114 goals and 88 assists Despite not being the key penalty shooter, main dead ball shooter

292 games(including sub appearance) over 200 g+a

I will like to know 5 players globally not named Messi and Ronaldo who have posted the same stats or similar in the last 5 seasons. So what exactly is this expectation he has not met?

For National team at this Euro 3 goals 2 assists (How many players have better stats)

If they insult everyone, Sterling and Saka are the least deserving of insults based on this Euros but you know some fans don't think

it's probably has to do with the absurd thinking that black people need to do more than the White's to deserve respect for their achievements

arukwe123:
oya kill yourself I just quoted you

Nothing to see here..move along

Griffon:
Who created last season's NL Chelsea Fam FPL? Aren't we doing it again this season?

That should be donjazet

CAPdan21:

it's probably has to do with the absurd thinking that black people need to do more than the White's to deserve respect for their achievements

Even at that, how many white, Asian, Latino are even doing what Sterling is doing? Maybe the right statement should be that

Sterling is expected to do what <<0.05% of all pro footballers are doing to get respect

Emmynator:


Kane's quality is also evident in Tottenham's league position, lmao.

Kane scored... It's left for Horjberg to protect their goals and he failed. TOT can not move forward with redundant players like that

swiz123:


You are still trying to make racism a trivial issue and it is annoying. If not for the strong stance football governing bodies made against racism, football would have been an unpopular sports. Would you rather we go back to the time white fans don't celebrate goals scored by black or boo black players... Do you know Emmanuel Eboue has been violently attacked by a fan while trying to take a throw? Do you know how it started?? They were making monkey chants and he borrowed your advice to turn a deaf ear toward it.. A fan got bold enough to attack him with punches.

The fight is to squash the idea that you are superior to another due to your skin color cos such belief breeds such ugly violent situation. You, a full born and bred African man is trying to undermine the fight by trivializing racism while attacking Rashford's intentions which should be your secondary concern.

We love football because it is a uniting factor which breeds love and respect, not hostility. For when we watch it, we don't care if our fellow fan is black, white, muslim, christian, buddhist etc

i'm not denying racism, i'm only saying that every instance isn't purely motivated by racist sentiments

There is you are beneath me racism, and there is doing this or saying this can hurt this person and I will use it to annoy this person racism

The world has evolved, we are supposed to be tackling institutional racism and subliminal racism today not acting like words are knives and touches, ever head of Tulsa race massacre? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/31/black-wall-street-was-shattered-100-years-ago-how-tulsa-race-massacre-was-covered-up.html

That's what real racism looks like

Rashford in particular is always converting any criticism he receives online to a racist agenda

What's their plan? Let's discuss it
They will kick Rashford out of united? Or england? I don't even understand why people are overreacting over insignificant things that don't matter

They just want to say hurtful things to him, cause they know that it will hurt him, as for Eboue, did some quick reading and its said that he was a diver and it was mostly opposition fans that attacked him

But I will read more about it, my issh is while you might feel good, complaining about Rashford or these minor racist events, you aren't changing anything, companies will always support the cause but that doesn't change anything

An undereducated society can never thrive, china was mocked and called names in the past, they were called peasants and all sorts, nobody is laughing about them today

You can't fight segregation by fighting insignificant battles, if you really want to look at racism today, let's talk about how world bank and IMF loans are structured to destroy Africa

But on the issue of Racism

Is it now clear to understand why people like Zaha have boldly refused to take a knee before matches.

Can we now say taking a knee is just plain stupid and clearly useless cos obviously Racism is going nowhere. And there's no real consequences for those Racists apart from a stadium ban which means what you get to do as a racist is instead of making racist chants in stadiums you can just do one while having a sip of chilled beer on your couch at home.

Don't you think the idea of taking a knee is just a way of calling for pity and sympathy and has a negative psychological impact... (Just like a Vegetarian pushing an agenda for Animals to be preserved kindof feeling)

Racism will always exist just like Tribal bigotry will always exist in various parts of this country.
To me that Taking a knee thing should be scrapped cos e no get use nd whenever i see it it makes me feel like i'm begging for someone's pity cos am Black.

Just thinking aloud tho

larride:


Kane has the most goals and most assist in the just concluded EPL. What else do you want him to do? Turn to keeper?

Ask blueangel44 who thinks league position determines player quality.
Did you read the post I quoted?

raumdeuter:


How else can Sterling live up to expectation?
Or let me ask what were the expectations for Sterling and how many attacking players have posted better stats than Sterling both for club and country

According to transfermarkt post Liverpool Sterling played for City 292times, he has 114 goals and 88 assists Despite not being the key penalty shooter, main dead ball shooter

292 games(including sub appearance) over 200 g+a

I will like to know 5 players globally not named Messi and Ronaldo who have posted the same stats or similar in the last 5 seasons. So what exactly is this expectation he has not met?

For National team at this Euro 3 goals 2 assists (How many players have better stats)

If they insult everyone, Sterling and Saka are the least deserving of insults based on this Euros but you know some fans don't think

sterling isn't the global superstar that people thought he would be, his stats might he impressive but nobody talks about him with reverend

I don't watch city games unless they are playing chelsea or another big team and I can tell you that sterling isn't a player that I panic when he is on the team sheet, there are players that when they aren't playing, you get excited that your chances of winning are higher, sterling isn't one, for city, only aguero and KDB had that effect

He hasn't become the world conquering global superstar that we all expected him to become

As for saka, I don't know but I will check, arsenal have had so many black players, so many, most of their legends are blacks, if any club in England can be rated as the least racist club, I will give it to arsenal, I doubt he was targeted prior to that final but I will check

Ibime:


That should be donjazet

True. Man has been on stealth mode for some while. Donjazzy are you there?

Ibime:
I don't know if black people are getting worked up by the racism those three boys received but from my Watsapp messages I believe so.

My take is there will always be a minority of racists in any country at any time, whether that's 1% or 3% or 5%. That's why we have minority far-right groups like BNP, National Front, English Defence League and so on. As long as they stay minority, it is never a problem as they don't affect the policies of the societies we live in.

Given that these people are there, they are bound to show up on Social media. Have we counted how many racist messages were received by Rashford and co? Is it material enough for black people in the UK to make it a central theme of discuss over the last week, or is it in line with a minority population which we know exist and can never be eradicated completely. The issue for me from a statistical point of view is in some of the Watsapp videos I've seen labelling Britain a racist society because a minute number of people decided to abuse Rashford and co. Why don't we just put this down to Social Media giving everyone a voice, including the 1% of Nazis we already know exist among us?

This is very on point, we really need to start looking at this from statistical point of view, I think some people are under the delusion that racism will someday disappear, and if we are honest, we know it never will. Progress will be determined by reduction in number of people expressing these views, the general thinking seems to be that since it still happens, progress haven't been made and that is not true.

like you said 1% population are minority, but if we just say "oh, i have seen people insulting Rashford on twitter today, Britians are racists". We are not looking at the issue objectively.

Like Raumdeuter said online anonymity gives some kind of cover to the perpetrators, it's possible for one racist to open multiple accounts and bombard Rashford with these comment, 100 racists doing that will seem like a large population on social media.

I hope we can learn to be more objective when this issue comes up, if we keep looking at this from emotional perspective, the issues will merely be aggravated.

swiz123:


Kane scored... It's left for Horjberg to protect their goals and he failed. TOT can not move forward with redundant players like that

Horjberg was easily TOT top 3 performers last season, look at his overall season stats, if you think he failed, then you are merely suffering from intellectual dishonesty.

There are many redundant players in TOT, and Horjberg is not one of them. No objective person will take Jorginho over Hojberg, that guy is a complete package, not one trick pony like J5.

J5 is good but dont disrespect a better player.

Havertz10:

You can't fight segregation by fighting insignificant battles, if you really want to look at racism today, let's talk about how world bank and IMF loans are structured to destroy Africa

Dambrisa Moyo's book "Dead Aid" covers this point extensively.

DumaEmpire:
But on the issue of Racism

Is it now clear to understand why people like Zaha have boldly refused to take a knee before matches.

Can we now say taking a knee is just plain stupid and clearly useless cos obviously Racism is going nowhere. And there's no real consequences for those Racists apart from a stadium ban which means what you get to do as a racist is instead of making racist chants in stadiums you can just do one while having a sip of chilled beer on your couch at home.

Don't you think the idea of taking a knee is just a way of calling for pity and sympathy and has a negative psychological impact... (Just like a Vegetarian pushing an agenda for Animals to be preserved kindof feeling)

Racism will always exist just like Tribal bigotry will always exist in various parts of this country.
To me that Taking a knee thing should be scrapped cos e no get use nd whenever i see it it makes me feel like i'm begging for someone's pity cos am Black.

Just thinking aloud tho

I dont understand the logic behind taking the knee till date.

The truth is racist people will always exist, what's important is taking away the power to act on this racism by tackling systemic problems that kneeling wont solve.

Ibime:


That should be donjazet

He removed nihilistjnr last season straight away

raumdeuter:


The point is fans are generally stupidd and many things and actions have been taken against players some players have been killed, some have been attacked, some families have been attacked, footballers daughters and wifes have been threatened with violence and harm
In the same tournament, a young girl crying after a loss was called names like Nazi and bitchh.

Online anonymity gives a platform for the basest instinct to come out, even for things you have no direct link to or have no controls over(your race, your sex, your body shape, your ancestors, your weight, the food you eat, your anatomy)

My question was simple. Is it possible to insult and attack someone of a different race without being racist? Like Ulli did to Ozil and was tagged racist but he did the same to Kroos

My bad, this is clearer cos your initial post gave off some kinda vibe like you were endorsing that moronic post that was dropped here earlier.

On your question, yeah it is possible.

Emmynator:


I dont understand the logic behind taking the knee till date.

The truth is racist people will always exist, what's important is taking away the power to act on this racism by tackling systemic problems that kneeling wont solve.

How do you tackle racist abuse on social media?

iamoyindamola:

He removed nihilistjnr last season straight away

That was an error, a slip of the fingers

Ibime:




That was an error, a slip of the fingers

Ofcourse i agree

Havertz10:
Sterling isn't the global superstar that people thought he would be, his stats might he impressive but nobody talks about him with reverend

I don't watch city games unless they are playing chelsea or another big team and I can tell you that sterling isn't a player that I panic when he is on the team sheet, there are players that when they aren't playing, you get excited that your chances of winning are higher, sterling isn't one, for city, only aguero and KDB had that effect

He hasn't become the world conquering global superstar that we all expected him to become

As for saka, I don't know but I will check, arsenal have had so many black players, so many, most of their legends are blacks, if any club in England can be rated as the least racist club, I will give it to arsenal, I doubt he was targeted prior to that final but I will check

Who made Sterling be a global star at any point in his career?
Which AM/WInger will not be worshipped for having >200 g+a in less than 300 games
Who are the other hyped global superstars and how are they faring.
Are they also getting the Sterling treatment?