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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by raumdeuter: 5:10pm On Aug 02, 2021
Roland17:
I don't disagree with your point of view especially because it is no fault of hers. However, this is about promoting a level playing field for everyone in the competition and the process for inclusion is available. I just ask the IAAF to be very clear and open about the process.
Roland you recall our discussion about Semenya and now that former men are now allowed to participate in women sports if they can alter their testosterone

What do you think of this latest development
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Odunharry(m): 5:56pm On Aug 02, 2021
TheLequte:
Brazil is stronger. Spain qualified because of Eric Bailly pulled an Eric Bailly.
Yes. It's football anything can happen.
Abeg no call Baily again. Don't know if it's over confidence or the usual brain fart that happened to him against Spain.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 6:01pm On Aug 02, 2021
If Drinkwater can bounce back and impress throughout the season, then those who believe 4yrs is too much for a player to recover, will have their hands full by May 2022.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHwtMDewNj4
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Itsrm(m): 6:12pm On Aug 02, 2021
airmark:
If Drinkwater can bounce back and impress throughout the season, then those who believe 4yrs is too much for a player to recover, will have their hands full by May 2022.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHwtMDewNj4
Maybe it's just me but apart from one or two passes to Odoi there's anything hardly impressive in this video.

Just him doing the barest minimum expected from any midfielder.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Roland17(m): 6:12pm On Aug 02, 2021
raumdeuter:
Roland you recall our discussion about Semenya and now that former men are now allowed to participate in women sports if they can alter their testosterone

What do you think of this latest development
I absolutely do recall and anticipated this conversation. The IOC is threading a slippery slope, a troubling one on a personal level for me.

But from all indications, the IOC followed my thoughts from this conversation to the T! They ensured Hubbard met low testosterone levels which means her levels were nothing close to that of Semanya’s.

Remember you wondered/ questioned if there would be process to test levels and I told you it would be only fair to do this.

The process was open, however, you can see competing teams have serious problems with this situation.

Competition has to be fair.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nobody: 6:21pm On Aug 02, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVeBhvmK82I


Mount is back in training, that UCL final cup winning pass cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by raumdeuter: 6:40pm On Aug 02, 2021
Roland17:
I absolutely do recall and anticipated this conversation. The IOC is threading a slippery slope, a troubling one on a personal level for me.

But from all indications, the IOC followed my thoughts from this conversation to the T! They ensured Hubbard met low testosterone levels which means her levels were nothing close to that of Semanya’s.

Remember you wondered/ questioned if there would be process to test levels and I told you it would be only fair to do this.

The process was open, however, you can see competing teams have serious problems with this situation.

Competition has to be fair.
When I saw the Hubbard case, our conversation came to mind but I have not had much time to engage you on it

I am not a cell biologist but where i becomes a slippery slope for me is that a man e.g C.Ronaldo who has had high testosterone all his life and has built some muscle memory and skills based off of that, if you now get him to reduce his testosterone for some months, you still wont erase all he knows and has conditioned his body to do for the past 36yrs of his life.
An average man is stronger and is built physically differently. I am not sure few months of testosterone therapy equalizes the lifelong advantage

Its like a butter boy like Davido trying to claim say he be street to get some acceptance in music, Street Davido wey get chauffer all his life and go private school, he is going to deny the genuine street that didnt get those advantages he had growing up

Similar to what Chimamanda argued that being a trans woman, cannot equate your experience and struggles(say 2yrs of hormone therapy) with that of a woman of over 30yrs who has had that hormone all her life
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by NinjaMetahuman:
raumdeuter:
Roland you recall our discussion about Semenya and now that former men are now allowed to participate in women sports if they can alter their testosterone

What do you think of this latest development
Makes zero sense.

Lets have men sport
Women sport
Handicap sport
And transgender sport.
How is that so hard?

Why do they want to dabaru everything in the name of political correctness.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Roland17(m): 7:04pm On Aug 02, 2021
raumdeuter:
When I saw the Hubbard case, our conversation came to mind but I have not had much time to engage you on it

I am not a cell biologist but where i becomes a slippery slope for me is that a man e.g C.Ronaldo who has had high testosterone all his life and has built some muscle memory and skills based off of that, if you now get him to reduce his testosterone for some months, you still wont erase all he knows and has conditioned his body to do for the past 36yrs of his life.
An average man is stronger and is built physically differently. I am not sure few months of testosterone therapy equalizes the lifelong advantage

Its like a butter boy like Davido trying to claim say he be street to get some acceptance in music, Street Davido wey get chauffer all his life and go private school, he is going to deny the genuine street that didnt get those advantages he had growing up

Similar to what Chimamanda argued that being a trans woman, cannot equate your experience and struggles(say 2yrs of hormone therapy) with that of a woman of over 30yrs who has had that hormone all her life
Outside of building muscle, testosterone is responsible for strength levels and elevated drives. Ronaldo's body may have been conditioned for the past 36 years, however, it is important to remember that he achieved this conditioned state using the prior testosterone level and that was what he used to maintain that conditioned level. Muscle memory/ workout habit/ routine will not be enough to help Ronaldo maintain his currently conditioned muscle. A conscious reduction will significantly affect his ability to maintain his levels.

In men, except in very rare cases, our testosterone levels drop by 1% after the age of 30 and that affects your ability in different aspects of live. What you were able to do in your 20's and early 30's may become challenging in comparison to your late 30's upwards. For the records, I am with Chimamanda on her position in regards to womanhood/motherhood.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by MorataFC: 7:04pm On Aug 02, 2021
I'll never forget that second meeting with Sir Alex. I'D signed a deal at united but had to tell him: "SORRY", I want to play for Chelsea and my God am I happy i Did. It was the best time of my LIFE"

And the rest is History!!!!
. Mikel Obi

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Havertz10: 7:22pm On Aug 02, 2021
MorataFC:
I'll never forget that second meeting with Sir Alex. I'D signed a deal at united but had to tell him: "SORRY", I want to play for Chelsea and my God am I happy i Did. It was the best time of my LIFE"

And the rest is History!!!!
. Mikel Obi
angry
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by raumdeuter: 7:27pm On Aug 02, 2021
Roland17:
Outside of building muscle, testosterone is responsible for strength levels and elevated drives. Ronaldo's body may have been conditioned for the past 36 years, however, it is important to remember that he achieved this conditioned state using the prior testosterone level and that was what he used to maintain that conditioned level. Muscle memory/ workout habit/ routine will not be enough to help Ronaldo maintain his currently conditioned muscle. A conscious reduction will significantly affect his ability to maintain his levels.

In men, except in very rare cases, our testosterone levels drop by 1% after the age of 30 and that affects your ability in different aspects of live. What you were able to do in your 20's and early 30's may become challenging in comparison to your late 30's upwards. For the records, I am with Chimamanda on her position in regards to womanhood/motherhood.
Surely conscious hormone therapy will reduce Ronaldos abilities, Maybe make Lewandowski better than him but will it reduce Ronaldo enough to make the best of female footballers who has been operating on this reduced testosterone all her life catch up with what he has learnt and been ingrained in him for over 30yrs?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 7:34pm On Aug 02, 2021
Itsrm:
Maybe it's just me but apart from one or two passes to Odoi there's anything hardly impressive in this video.

Just him doing the barest minimum expected from any midfielder.
Definitely it's just you. grin

I even rate those passes he made into those pockets for Ziyech and Pulisic higher than those to odoi.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by raumdeuter: 7:41pm On Aug 02, 2021
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Itsrm(m): 8:03pm On Aug 02, 2021
airmark:
Definitely it's just you. grin

I even rate those passes he made into those pockets for Ziyech and Pulisic higher than those to odoi.
grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Roland17(m): 8:04pm On Aug 02, 2021
raumdeuter:
Surely conscious hormone therapy will reduce Ronaldos abilities, Maybe make Lewandowski better than him but will it reduce Ronaldo enough to make the best of female footballers who has been operating on this reduced testosterone all her life catch up with what he has learnt and been ingrained in him for over 30yrs?
Absolutely will not and that is why I am not an advocate for this trans situation outside of my personal/ moral beliefs. We have to be clear with this argument, Semanya's situation is uniquely distinct from a fully transitioned Shim (Shim). A fully transitioned Shim undergoes continues hormonal therapy while Semanya does not want to reduce her levels and wants to continue to compete with those levels. Now, these levels are natural but abnormal. It is not a temporary situation, it is a permanent situation.

With that being said, you are comparing Ronaldo who is considered the GOAT in many quarters to the best of female footballers. Female's are not reduced, they are operating on a natural level. There is a huge gulf in talent and physical capabilities in both comparisons. Not a lot of professional sports men can endure Ronaldo's routine worth more biological women.

This situation is bad for competition whether hormonal suppression started before puberty or after puberty.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Roland17(m): 8:07pm On Aug 02, 2021
raumdeuter:
SOD09

Is this true

https://www.nairaland.com/6682196/ig-police-sacks-abba-kyari
I don't think he has been disengaged from the Police Force. He was only relieved from his position as head of the IRT. The Nigerian Police Force is obviously under immense pressure and are struggling to manage this situation.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by OJURONGBE1(m): 8:09pm On Aug 02, 2021
Why does Chelsea board make things complicated for their coaches?
I mean; if Haaland & Lukaku are out of reach, why can't they source for another?
All the clubs knows Chelsea are desperate to sign a striker and as such would bill the life out of them.
Na like this dem do , wey dem go waste £72m on Kepa.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by BlueRayDick: 8:11pm On Aug 02, 2021
Roland17:
I don't think he has been disengaged from the Police Force. He was only relieved from his position as head of the IRT. The Nigerian Police Force is obviously under immense pressure and are struggling to manage this situation.
That guy's career is officially over. Even if he doesn't get extradited, he will most likely be dismissed from the police force and then tried under Naija law.

I think taking him out of the IRT unit is like the IGP making a bold statement that things won't end well for him.

He may be protected by his people from being extradited, but he's definitely not going to be the high flying supercop he's painted to be going forward.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibeme: 8:15pm On Aug 02, 2021
raumdeuter:
SOD09

Is this true

https://www.nairaland.com/6682196/ig-police-sacks-abba-kyari
Not sacked from the police, just reassigned from heading a unit
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibeme: 8:15pm On Aug 02, 2021
I'm surprised Havertz scored yesterday and Havertz10 was silent
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by WhoDeyHause: 8:18pm On Aug 02, 2021
OJURONGBE1:
Why does Chelsea board make things complicated for their coaches?
I mean; if Haaland & Lukaku are out of reach, why can't they source for another?
All the clubs knows Chelsea are desperate to sign a striker and as such would bill the life out of them.
Na like this dem do , wey dem go waste £72m on Kepa.
Which strikers do you have in mind that they should go for?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by raumdeuter: 8:19pm On Aug 02, 2021
Roland17:
I don't think he has been disengaged from the Police Force. He was only relieved from his position as head of the IRT. The Nigerian Police Force is obviously under immense pressure and are struggling to manage this situation.
Ibeme:
Not sacked from the police, just reassigned from heading a unit
I think they might just put him on administrative leave while the investigation goes on. If they are really interested
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibeme: 8:22pm On Aug 02, 2021
raumdeuter:
I think they might just put him on administrative leave while the investigation goes on. If they are really interested
Na wash. He can't be seen to be heading a unit right now, but they will still reinstate him after the media furore dies down.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Griffon: 8:33pm On Aug 02, 2021
Ibeme:
I'm surprised Havertz scored yesterday and Havertz10 was silent
grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Roland17(m): 8:38pm On Aug 02, 2021
Mijain Lopez Nunez (Cuba) is a beast and a freak of nature. This man at 38 has won his 3rd consecutive Olympic gold medal in wrestling.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nobody: 8:38pm On Aug 02, 2021
OJURONGBE1:
Why does Chelsea board make things complicated for their coaches?
I mean; if Haaland & Lukaku are out of reach, why can't they source for another?
All the clubs knows Chelsea are desperate to sign a striker and as such would bill the life out of them.
Na like this dem do , wey dem go waste £72m on Kepa.
The Media is what makes us think Chelsea is desperate to sign a striker but does it look like the case.

It's the media publishing stuffs like Chelsea has to bid 150m, 170m, 200m

Inter Milan are desperate to sell a player to solve their financial issues

Kane is desperate to leave

Dortmund is in a situation where they stand to lose millions if they keep Haaland

The fans are the ones desperate for a new striker and a new signing, because it seems Chelsea are not bidding for anyone.

An example of desperate is Pep and City increasing their £75m offer to a £100m bid for grealish
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibeme: 8:45pm On Aug 02, 2021
Roland17:
Mijain Lopez Nunez (Cuba) is a beast and a freak of nature. This man at 38 has won his 3rd consecutive Olympic gold medal in wrestling.
Guy will still go back to Cuba and be given a house and $25 salary per month. I always wonder why someone will represent Cuba successfully at multiple Olympics without defecting.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nobody: 8:51pm On Aug 02, 2021
WhoDeyHause:
Which strikers do you have in mind that they should go for?
If anybody rumour near Calvert lewin now, the next news you will read is, Everton will not accept any bids under £70m cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by raumdeuter: 8:51pm On Aug 02, 2021
Ibeme:
Guy will still go back to Cuba and be given a house and $25 salary per month. I always wonder why someone will represent Cuba successfully at multiple Olympics without defecting.
The horrors of communism

All those Cuban boxers like Felix Savon will go back to poverty or be given bicycles while the ones across the ocean in America become millionaires
Even Medical doctors get paid $30 a month, which is why they all defect at the first chance they get
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by iamoyindamola(m): 8:57pm On Aug 02, 2021
raumdeuter:
SOD09

Is this true

https://www.nairaland.com/6682196/ig-police-sacks-abba-kyari
Shebi them talk say he's untouchable grin grin
Na one night Americans go come carry am for other room
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:01pm On Aug 02, 2021
Ibeme:
Not sacked from the police, just reassigned from heading a unit
More like collecting Saturday and giving him Sunday
He's gone
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