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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by 68816419: 8:44pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
Yeah SGR became so politicized. The projections did not imagine we have cargo at 35m this soon - projecting next year to hit 40m. There is huge hinterland from South Sudan, CAR, DRC Congo, Southern Ethiopia, Uganda, and Rwanda all the way down to Zambia. So 20yrs from now - Mombasa port and Lamu port should handling a lot more. Our brothers down in Tanzania may wake up and take some of the load for Zambia-Burundi-Rwanda.
These statements about your SGR and the competition was from one of your top financial journalist, he wrote in The Standard: “the way a second-born child would do, lurking in the shadows and learning from the mistakes of his elder brother, then retreating to plot how to do a better job when his turn came.”. It now clear that your SGR may never break even, Tanzania, Ethiopian and the Ugandans won't allow the system to function at the loss of their own systems, your sgr would have make sense if these guys are not doing same.
Uhuru is just using these projects(SGR and Nairobi express way) to score some political points and nothing more, we all know that the over hyped Nairobi Express way is not Sustainable .
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 8:52pm On Aug 07, 2021
SGR has been debated to death. It doing very well in almost all parameters.

Mombasa port - saw 10 increase in first Q=The Port of Mombasa handled 9.54 million tons in the first quarter of the year 2021 compared to 8.62 million tons in a similar period last year recording 10.7 percent growth rate

Btw Nairobi Expressway is being built by China as toll road - kenya gov spents 150m to compensations and relocating utilities - otherwise Chinese gifted it to us - well they will collect toll for 30yrs.

68816419:
These statements about your SGR and the competition was from one of your top financial journalist, he wrote in The Standard: “the way a second-born child would do, lurking in the shadows and learning from the mistakes of his elder brother, then retreating to plot how to do a better job when his turn came.”. It now clear that your SGR may never break even, Tanzania, Ethiopian and the Ugandans won't allow the system to function at the loss of their own systems, your sgr would have make sense if these guys are not doing same.
Uhuru is just using these projects(SGR and Nairobi express way) to score some political points and nothing more, we all know that the over hyped Nairobi Express way is not Sustainable .
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by 68816419: 9:08pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
SGR has been debated to death. It doing very well in almost all parameters.

Mombasa port - saw 10 increase in first Q=The Port of Mombasa handled 9.54 million tons in the first quarter of the year 2021 compared to 8.62 million tons in a similar period last year recording 10.7 percent growth rate

Btw Nairobi Expressway is being built by China as toll road - kenya gov spents 150m to compensations and relocating utilities - otherwise Chinese gifted it to us - well they will collect toll for 30yrs.
Firstly, your SGR is not going well, reason been that, the cost of running the services is far higher than the profits generated from it and this trend is worsening, also, the frieght system is way to expensive for most cargo handlers and they now prefer using the road system as the road is far cheaper, secondly, I personally think that overpriced express is a misplaced priority, the funds ("gift"wink should have been used to build the inner roads in "Nairobi metropolitan".
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 9:34pm On Aug 07, 2021
Abohboy:
Does it not run over an existing road all the way through as it shows in your videos?
No. But in some sections, it's quite inevitable considering the vastness of the highway.
Pic one and two is the state of 80% of Nairobi expressway, the road passes in between the two existing highways.
Pic 3 and four is a flyover.

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 9:37pm On Aug 07, 2021
1) Before SGR - Mombasa port cargo dwells time was 5.6 days - 2nd only to Durban (3 days). Now it reduced by a day to around 4.6 days. Nigeria used to be 25-30 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - currently 21 days. In developed world ports - it a day - a ship arrives - offload and is gone within that day. A ship takes a month in Nigeria to offload. Once we connect the old MGR with SGR this year - I expect to dwell time to reach the Durban level of 3 days - ship arrives - it offloads import - load exports - and is gone in 3 days - or even 1-2 days that most efficient ports do.

2) SGR has transported more than 5M passengers to Mombasa - without any incident - in less time and the same cost as buses. Everyone likes it. Tourists love it as it been voted most magnificent train ride with ability to see wild animals - we paid a fortune to have bridges some 28kms long to allow wildlife to pass under

3) SGR is no longer forced - out 35M cargo - Truckers have 30M - more cargo than they ever had. SGR is barely scratching the surface

4) As for break even. 2017 when it began the cost of running the trains was 7.5B kshs against revenues of 1B. In 2018 it was 14B against 5.5B. In 2019 18B against 13.5B. In 2020 - it was 7.5b against 5.5b - half-year amidst covid-19 - as you can see the break-even point is approaching.

Break-even is when cost of running rail and the revenues are the same. This very difficult for railways to achieve.

Profit is when revenues exceed the running cost...and it can start to pay for itself.

5) Toll road - that is China money - not your money - you cannot tell them where to invest. Next the French are willing to put down 1.5B to build us 230km expressway. The Americans were willing to do 3B to Mombasa.

68816419:
Firstly, your SGR is not going well, reason been that, the cost of running the services is far higher than the profits generated from it and this trend is worsening, also, the frieght system is way to expensive for most cargo handlers and they now prefer using the road system as the road is far cheaper, secondly, I personally think that overpriced express is a misplaced priority, the funds ("gift"wink should have been used to build the inner roads in "Nairobi metropolitan".
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 9:39pm On Aug 07, 2021
Vlain:
Bottomline:Never you say punctuation diarrhea . You are disgracing your life.
English, English, English doofus! shocked.

Forget about this English thing and focus.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Abohboy: 9:43pm On Aug 07, 2021
Shma2020:
No. But in some sections, it's quite inevitable considering the vastness of the highway.
Pic one and two is the state of 80% of Nairobi expressway, the road passes in between the two existing highways.
Pic 3 and four is a flyover.
This is counted as a flyover in Nigeria and is structued the same way as yours is an elevated road above another road i'm guessing the difference is whether or not it's part of an overall highway system like N3 in South Africa or M25 in England or is it how many lanes it has?

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 9:47pm On Aug 07, 2021
Flyover versus elevated expressway. Kenya has 2km fly over . You cannot find in South Africa an elevated expressway. Try Asia. Tokyo, Manila, Jakarta and China of course.
Abohboy:
This is counted as a flyover in Nigeria and is structued the same way as yours is an elevated road above another road i'm guessing the difference is whether or not it's part of an overall highway system like N3 in South Africa or M25 in England or is it how many lanes it has?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Abohboy: 9:49pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
Flyover versus elevated expressway. Kenya has 2km fly over . You cannot find in South Africa an elevated expressway. Try Asia. Tokyo, Manila, Jakarta and China of course.
Still haven't explained what puts them apart, i've just shown you a flyover structured the same as yours is it about lanes used or being connected to a highway system?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody:
Abohboy:
This is counted as a flyover in Nigeria and is structued the same way as yours is an elevated road above another road i'm guessing the difference is whether or not it's part of an overall highway system like N3 in South Africa or M25 in England or is it how many lanes it has?
Yes, Now this is a flyover.

In Kenya we also have numerous of those which runs above the other sections.

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 9:57pm On Aug 07, 2021
Your undeveloped brain can only comprehend pictures.
1) Nairobi Outering - 2Km flyover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDXYrDi55c
2) Nairobi Expressway - elevated expressway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H2mz5bLB8w&t=43s
3) Nairobi Viaduct - under construction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWrBabq6vlc
Abohboy:
Still haven't explained what puts them apart, i've just shown you a flyover structured the same as yours is it about lanes used or being connected to a highway system?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by theenchanter: 9:57pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
It's an elevated expressway. These are not in Africa - they are mostly in Asia
elevated expressway is here in lagos, keep shut!
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Abohboy: 9:59pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
Your undeveloped brain can only comprehend pictures.
1) Nairobi Outering - 2Km flyover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDXYrDi55c
2) Nairobi Expressway - elevated expressway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H2mz5bLB8w&t=43s
3) Nairobi Viaduct - under construction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWrBabq6vlc
This doesn't answer anything is it amount of lanes or connection to highway systems stop waffling
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by theenchanter: 10:00pm On Aug 07, 2021
kikuyu1:
NIGGA, WHAT!?

Forget that Global Firepower list compiled by unsupervised kids. List the following in both forces for a proper comparison
-pay
- working platforms, ie choppers, armour, aircraft
- battlefield success

Its not even close.
kenyan military over nigeria military? undecided

What d fvck are these guys smoking?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 10:00pm On Aug 07, 2021
Once they invent a braille for videos; I would be able to assist.
Abohboy:
This doesn't answer anything is it amount of lanes or connection to highway systems stop waffling
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 10:01pm On Aug 07, 2021
You're talking about the bridge right in Lagos. Yeah it's elevated over fish or water smiley. Maybe one day we will figure out how to build a road to float on water. Well Mombasa has the floating bridge smiley
theenchanter:
elevated expressway is here in lagos, keep shut!
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by theenchanter: 10:02pm On Aug 07, 2021
PetroDolla2020:
Tweaaaaaaa kenya is thinking of hosting olympics? You need to see your doctor. I think you are having a severe fever cool
grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Abohboy: 10:02pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
Once they invent a braille for videos; I would be able to assist.
I cba I asked you a simple question and gave you two options you couldn't even choose one and went ahead to begin insulting me for what? This forum site is so backwards this is why I use twitter more
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 10:04pm On Aug 07, 2021
You insult our intelligence; we give you enough pointers; to get your googling. Only Nigeria take pride in their ignorance. Just coz you dont yet have an elevated expressway - doesn't mean it doesn't exist or is a flyover.
Abohboy:
I cba I asked you a simple question and gave you two options you couldn't even choose one and went ahead to begin insulting me for what? This forum site is so backwards this is why I use twitter more
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 10:06pm On Aug 07, 2021
Abohboy:
This doesn't answer anything is it amount of lanes or connection to highway systems stop waffling
Is it so hard to distinguish btwn a viaduct and flyover? Or you just want to argue for argument sake?

Go to Asian countries or Europe or America and google their best expressway. You'll notice they ain't that far from what is being built in Kenya going by quality. And no African country has it.

This is a flyover in Kenya.

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by theenchanter: 10:07pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
Flyover versus elevated expressway. Kenya has 2km fly over . You cannot find in South Africa an elevated expressway. Try Asia. Tokyo, Manila, Jakarta and China of course.
Shma2020:
Yes, Now this is a flyover.

In Kenya we also have numerous of those which runs above the other section.
elevated expressways are elevated road from d beginning to the end, except their adjoining ends.

Will ur new expressway be elevated all through?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by theenchanter: 10:10pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
You're talking about the bridge right in Lagos. Yeah it's elevated over fish or water smiley. Maybe one day we will figure out how to build a road to float on water. Well Mombasa has the floating bridge smiley
stupidity personified!
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 10:11pm On Aug 07, 2021
theenchanter:
elevated expressways are elevated road from d beginning to the end, except their adjoining ends.

Will ur new expressway be elevated all through?
80% of it will be elevated and that answers your question.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by theenchanter: 10:13pm On Aug 07, 2021
Shma2020:
80% of it will be elevated and that answers your question.
what is the total length of the expressway and how many km of it will be elevated?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 10:16pm On Aug 07, 2021
Okay, let us say partially elevated for an 11km with total lenght of 28 expressway smiley happy now. Bad news for you - there is nothing like that in Africa. Lagos main bridge is a bridge over water. There is no road below it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a8PVXJ_qfk&t=222s
theenchanter:
elevated expressways are elevated road from d beginning to the end, except their adjoining ends.

Will ur new expressway be elevated all through?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Abohboy: 10:17pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
You insult our intelligence; we give you enough pointers; to get your googling. Only Nigeria take pride in their ignorance. Just coz you dont yet have an elevated expressway - doesn't mean it doesn't exist or is a flyover.
I've never even lived in Nigeria though talk less of use their educational system if you want to throw shade do it on the South African and British systems where I've actually studied
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by theenchanter: 10:19pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
Okay, let us say partially elevated for an 11km with total lenght of 28 expressway smiley happy now. Bad news for you - there is nothing like that in Africa. Lagos main bridge is a bridge over water. There is no road below it.
ok, out of 28km, 11km is elevated and u won't let us rest?

Rest.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Abohboy: 10:19pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
Okay, let us say partially elevated for an 11km with total lenght of 28 expressway smiley happy now. Bad news for you - there is nothing like that in Africa. Lagos main bridge is a bridge over water. There is no road below it.
But when it gets to Marina it continues as an elevated expressway as you guys like to say above a smaller road and then it goes onto Victoria Island
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 10:20pm On Aug 07, 2021
South Africa and Nigeria education are about the same - Nigeria is a bit worse. South Africa is Ghana level. Unless you went to international school or white school. But South Africa public black school...no difference with rest of Africa. They take teachers from rest of Africa.

The developed world can take Africa nurses NEVER a teacher.

Average teacher in Europe has a master - be they in grade o or grade 12.

South Africa will not become a developed world precisely for that reason - EDUCATION is sub-sahara standards - you cannot move to next level with that kind of brains. Middle class yes.

Abohboy:
I've never even lived in Nigeria though talk less of use their educational system if you want to throw shade do it on the South African and British systems where I've actually studied
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 10:21pm On Aug 07, 2021
theenchanter:
what is the total length of the expressway and how many km of it will be elevated?
Google that and do the math.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 10:23pm On Aug 07, 2021
you want it to abruptly stop at the land border..the same way an elevated expressway has ground level to start and end it... a bridge will also descend slowly. Please use your brain
Abohboy:
But when it gets to Marina it continues as an elevated expressway as you guys like to say above a smaller road and then it goes onto Victoria Island
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Abohboy: 10:25pm On Aug 07, 2021
Mkenya2019:
South Africa and Nigeria education are about the same - Nigeria is a bit worse. South Africa is Ghana level. Unless you went to international school or white school. But South Africa public black school...no difference with rest of Africa. They take teachers from rest of Africa.

The developed world can take Africa nurses NEVER a teacher.

Average teacher in Europe has a master - be they in grade o or grade 12.

South Africa will not become a developed world precisely for that reason - EDUCATION is sub-sahara standards - you cannot move to next level with that kind of brains. Middle class yes.
You think i'm talking about public school in South Africa?
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