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You are still talking about losses when you are reading that it was sold directly to customers and which they received?



Lunatic and stupidity is your problem..... you can even make it 2000 GWh and Kenya will still not catch up

Our energy sector is worth over 50 billion dollars

rvp20182:
4 679 - sold directly to customers - assuming the same system losses - we are talking another 3,000 to 8,000 - total of 11,000 GWH eventually sold...after all the systemic losses

This is why it's important for you to understand these stuff - so you do not think Ghana consume 5000MW - it barely[b] 2000MW[/b]

https://www.vra.com/resources/annual_reports/2019%20VRA%20Annual%20Report.pdf

Also, the quantity of electricity sold to
deregulated customers, which attracts relatively
better margins, increased by 55.8 percent from
3,003GWh in 2018 to [b]4,679[/b]GWh in 2019.
This includes sales to SONABEL over the new
Bolgatanga-Ouagadougou 330 kV transmission
line, which increased from 222GWh in 2018 to
576GWh in 2019, representing an increase of
297GWh - or 135 percent. Additionally, sales
to CEB also increased by 102 percent, from
385GWh in 2018 to 777GWh in 2019. The
quantity of energy sold to regulated customers
also increased by 11 percent (687GWh) from
6,022GWh in 2018 to 6709GWh in 2019.

When is the last thing you won anything in any sport - including football - africa football is one world worst.

vankelvin:
The lesser known sports you mean?

Just30:
Mahama was very visionary

The country peak demand has approached 4000MW....


All the NPP shout about excess capacity for which they cancelled a lot of power agreements,will catch up with them very soon

Reality has caught up with them.

My only regret is when I travelled from Kumasi to Accra only to vote for such useless President we have today... I regret my 2016 decision.


All talk, no action. So funny he is rated ahead of many Presidents in Africa. Are African leaders that low?

Throwing careless numbers as always. Nobody take you seriously outside of Ghana.

Just30:
You are still talking about losses when you are reading that it was sold directly to customers and which they received?



Lunatic and stupidity is your problem..... you can even make it 2000 GWh and Kenya will still not catch up

Our energy sector is worth over 50 billion dollars

vankelvin:
Reality has catch up with them.

My only regret is when I travelled from Kumasi to Accra only to vote for such useless President we have today... I regret my 2016 decision.


All talk, no action.

I was expecting the excess to last us up to 2024 but that wont be possible especially considering the fact that this year alone, demand will jump by 400MW which is 10% of current demand..

By next year, we will have to be building new power plants

rvp20182:
Throwing careless numbers as always. Nobody take you seriously outside of Ghana.

The accept that were built between 2014 to 2016 alone is worth over 18 billion dollars

how much do you think the existing ones are worth?

Or they didn't teach you valuation in kenya?

Just30:
I was expecting the excess to last us up to 2024 but that wont be possible especially considering the fact that this year alone, demand will jump by 400MW which is 10% of current demand..

By next year, we will have to be building new power plants

The Dam they promised to build in the North how far ?

vankelvin:
The Dam they promised to build in the North how far ?

It is expected to start this year and ends in 2023. the project is roughly 1 billion dolls

vankelvin:
The Dam they promised to build in the North how far ?

I heard work has started but the main purpose of that dam is Irrigation, fresh water supply and not power generation

That is why the power component is very small

Akuffo Addo has sabotaged the energy sector for 5 years now, He's only now trying to release his hand small....

I dont know if he did it for power play in order to negotiate other deals for the country

vaxx:
It is expected to start this year and ends in 2023. the project is roughly 1 billion dolls

Hope they build it.

The Northerners are suffering from floods sake of the absence of such Dam

Ethiopia is building upto 15,000 GWH per annum Grand Renaissance Dam for 5B dollars. Tanzania building 2,000MW hydro generating 5,000 gwh for 3B dollars. Uganda recently completed 650Mw for 2B dollars.

So how can Ghana 5000Mw installed capacity be 50B dollars. Stop throwing figures carelessly

Dont be a little crazy than usual. Even if we include transmission assets - at best - it would be 10-20B dollars.

Kenya the last 10yrs has made huge investment - and it only spend 8B dollars in the electricity sector

Just30:
The accept that were built between 2014 to 2016 alone is worth over 18 billion dollars

how much do you think the existing ones are worth?

Or they didn't teach you valuation in kenya?

Just30:
I heard work has started but the main purpose of that dam is Irrigation, fresh water supply and not power generation

That is why the power component is very small

All of that and power generation as well just that the power generation wouldn't be dat high..

It's a hydro,reservior and an irrigation Dam (3 in 1)

vankelvin:
Hope they build it.

The Northerners are suffering from floods sake of the absence of such Dam

The Npp might really build it cus they really want to cross the number "" 8"" and they know northern region is always a problem to that.

the flyover in Tamali will soon be completed as well. i wish they also continue the abandoned work on the airport.

rvp20182:
Ethiopia is building upto 15,000 GWH per annum Grand Renaissance Dam for 5B dollars. Tanzania building 2,000MW hydro generating 5,000 gwh for 3B dollars. Uganda recently completed 650Mw for 2B dollars.

So how can Ghana 5000Mw installed capacity be 50B dollars. Stop throwing figures carelessly

Dont be a little crazy than usual. Even if we include transmission assets - at best - it would be 10-20B dollars.

Kenya the last 10yrs has made huge investment - and it only spend 8B dollars in the electricity sector

Hydro is always cost effective to build cause it is cheap when you have the water resources

Thermal units are very expensive assets, they come with pipeline layings for fuel ..

And that is why I said, kenya cannot affor to make the kind of investments weve made in the power sector....

while kenya used 10 years to invest 8 billion dollars, Ghana invested 18 billion dollars in 3 years....to acquire assets

That is more than 2 times kenya 10years spending

vaxx:
The Npp might really build it cus they really want to cross the number "" 8"" and they know northern region is always a problem to that.

the flyover in Tamali will soon be completed as well. i wish they also continue the abandoned work on the airport.

Unless they repeat what they did in the last elections (killing people, preventing people from registering etc) because Ghanaians are not willing to renew their mandate again.

So far the most useless Government we've ever witnessed in the history of Ghana is this Government..

They talk more, work less

vaxx:
The Npp might really build it cus they really want to cross the number "" 8"" and they know northern region is always a problem to that.

the flyover in Tamali will soon be completed as well. i wish they also continue the abandoned work on the airport.

They are still working on the airport

On the contrary - thermal plants are actually the cheapest - and most preferred shortcut for lazy countries like Ghana. Countries like kenya committed to renewable energy spend a lot more.

Table 5.1: Typical capital and operating costs for power plants. Note that these costs do not include subsidies, incentives, or any "social costs" (e.g., air or water emissions)
Technology Capital Cost ($/kW) Operating Cost ($/kWh)
Coal-fired combustion turbine $500 — $1,000 0.02 — 0.04
Natural gas combustion turbine $400 — $800 0.04 — 0.10
Coal gasification combined-cycle (IGCC) $1,000 — $1,500 0.04 — 0.08
Natural gas combined-cycle $600 — $1,200 0.04 — 0.10
Wind turbine (includes offshore wind) $1,200 — $5,000 Less than 0.01
Nuclear $1,200 — $5,000 0.02 — 0.05
Photovoltaic Solar $4,500 and up Less than 0.01
Hydroelectric $1,200 — $5,000 Less than 0.01

Just30:
Hydro is always cost effective to build cause it is cheap when you have the water resources

Thermal units are very expensive assets, they come with pipeline layings for fuel ..

And that is why I said, kenya cannot affor to make the kind of investments weve made in the power sector....

while kenya used 10 years to invest 8 billion dollars, Ghana invested 18 billion dollars in 3 years....to acquire assets

That is more than 2 times kenya 10years spending

You spend nothing. Mahama mortgaged your country to IMF and annually force you to spend 1B dollars on "air". You basically signed a take or pay and invited IPPS to build thermal plants. That kenya did like 30yrs ago.

Now annually you're paying 1B dollars for turbines that don't turn. So you're unable to take power - so you pay. Excess charge of 1B dollars is almost 1/3 of oil revenues flashed down the Altantic

That is why current gov is trying to clean up Mahama mess

Just30:
while kenya used 10 years to invest 8 billion dollars, Ghana invested 18 billion dollars in 3 years....to acquire assets

That is more than 2 times kenya 10years spending

vaxx:
The Npp might really build it cus they really want to cross the number "" 8"" and they know northern region is always a problem to that.

the flyover in Tamali will soon be completed as well. i wish they also continue the abandoned work on the airport.

The Tamale Airport has not been abondebed. They are seriously building it.

rvp20182:
On the contrary - thermal plants are actually the cheapest - and most preferred shortcut for lazy countries like Ghana. Countries like kenya committed to renewable energy spend a lot more.

Table 5.1: Typical capital and operating costs for power plants. Note that these costs do not include subsidies, incentives, or any "social costs" (e.g., air or water emissions)
Technology Capital Cost ($/kW) Operating Cost ($/kWh)
Coal-fired combustion turbine $500 — $1,000 0.02 — 0.04
Natural gas combustion turbine $400 — $800 0.04 — 0.10
Coal gasification combined-cycle (IGCC) $1,000 — $1,500 0.04 — 0.08
Natural gas combined-cycle $600 — $1,200 0.04 — 0.10
Wind turbine (includes offshore wind) $1,200 — $5,000 Less than 0.01
Nuclear $1,200 — $5,000 0.02 — 0.05
Photovoltaic Solar $4,500 and up Less than 0.01
Hydroelectric $1,200 — $5,000 Less than 0.01

you are mad

Hydro is the cheapest source of electricity


Im referring to the cost of putting up a power plant, thermal units are very expensive

Hydro is cheapest to run - but building is very expensive and time consuming. Piping gas is not the same with civil work needed for a dam. The last time you attempted in 60s to build volta - your country became broke for 20yrs.

Once hydro has been built - then it's cheap - because water cost nothing.

Thermal plants are easy to build - just buy a turbine - and pipe the gas. But you have to pay for gas - and Nigeria were last bitterly complaining you cannot pay for it.

Thermal plants is like a GENERATOR that you buy from a shop. It not expensive. But you have to buy diesel or gas daily.

To run - Coal is cheapest - followed by hydro. To build - thermal plant can be delivered within a week. Or instantly - you can order mega thermal generators - and put diesel or gas - and be cranking the same day.

Just30:
you are mad

Hydro is the cheapest source of electricity


Im referring to the cost of putting up a power plant, thermal units are very expensive

vankelvin:
The Tamale Airport has not been abondebed. They are seriously building it.

i recently fly there , nothing much. don't let propaganda deceived you.

rvp20182:
You spend nothing. Mahama mortgaged your country to IMF and annually force you to spend 1B dollars on "air". You basically signed a take or pay and invited IPPS to build thermal plants. That kenya did like 30yrs ago.

Now annually you're paying 1B dollars for turbines that don't turn. So you're unable to take power - so you pay. Excess charge of 1B dollars is almost 1/3 of oil revenues flashed down the Altantic

That is why current gov is trying to clean up Mahama mess

sorry kiddo

we dont do that mortgage nonsense that happens I'm poor countries like Kenya... here

All turbines in Ghana are being used

and there is nothing like excess charge

Even a small thermal unit cost over half a billion dollars to build

Mad cow. Search Excess Capacity Ghana

And you'll get such results

Govt pays $937.5m to 3 IPPs for 4 years’ excess capacity charge

Lessons to be learnt from Ghana’s excess electricity shamble

Just30:
sorry kiddo

we dont do that mortgage nonsense that happens I'm poor countries like Kenya... here

All turbines in Ghana are being used

and there is nothing like excess charge

Even a small thermal unit cost over half a billion dollars to build

It takes 3 years to build a thermal plant

Hydro is the cheapest to build and we have built several of them and it is cost...


Thermal unit are very expensive, just 200 to 300MW thermal unit can cost you up to half a billion dollars while 1 to 2 billion dollars hydro dam can provide 2000 plus megawatts if you have the water resources...


understood now?

rvp20182:
Hydro is cheapest to run - but building is very expensive and time consuming. Piping gas is not the same with civil work needed for a dam. The last time you attempted in 60s to build volta - your country became broke for 20yrs.

Once hydro has been built - then it's cheap - because water cost nothing.

Thermal plants are easy to build - just buy a turbine - and pipe the gas. But you have to pay for gas - and Nigeria were last bitterly complaining you cannot pay for it.

Thermal plants is like a GENERATOR that you buy from a shop. It not expensive. But you have to buy diesel or gas daily.

To run - Coal is cheapest - followed by hydro. To build - thermal plant can be delivered within a week.

Coal has mostly been phased out

no one wants it

Ghana rejected a 1000MW coal plant in favour of gas-fired thermal plants because we have enough gas to last us a 100 years which we receive at no cost

vaxx:
i recently fly there , nothing much. don't let propaganda deceived you.

I have recently watched 2 news item on the project, it's happening at a slower pace compared to Kumasi Airport though

They are not building it closer to the old terminal so maybe you did not see it well.

As you can see they are constructing a totally new road connecting to the new Terminal.. On that stretch of road is where they will build the Airport city

Sound like you're mega corrupt. Thermal plant is a generator that you buy from a shop. It cheap to build and deliver - but you'll be paying for gas for rest of your life. Anyway you're just ignorant.

Just30:
It takes 3 years to build a thermal plant

Hydro is the cheapest to build and we have built several of them and it is cost...


Thermal unit are very expensive, just 200 to 300MW thermal unit can cost you up to half a billion dollars while 1 to 2 billion dollars hydro dam can provide 2000 plus megawatts if you have the water resources...


understood now?

rvp20182:
Mad cow. Search Excess Capacity Ghana

And you'll get such results

Govt pays $937.5m to 3 IPPs for 4 years’ excess capacity charge

Lessons to be learnt from Ghana’s excess electricity shamble

Those were not excess capacity charge, those were charges for them running their power plants which were mostly utilised to sure available capacity in order to meet peak demand..

For political reasons, the current gov't refers to it as excess in order to make their none investment in the power sector look justified


The technocrats are already warning the govt on it propaganda which is discouraging investment into the sector

Coal is cheapest - by far - of any power source. If you have coal like South Africa, China or US - and you dont care about enviroment.
Next would be hydro.
When you stop importing gas from Nigeria and soon Ivory coast...talk about it being cheap.

Just30:
It takes 3 years to build a thermal plant
Coal has mostly been phased out

no one wants it

Ghana rejected a 1000MW coal plant in favour of gas-fired thermal plants because we have enough gas to last us a 100 years which we receive at no cost

You're still struggling to settle gas debt to Nigeria
https://www.newtelegraphng.com/ghana-settles-42m-debt-to-nigeria-gas-company/

rvp20182:
Coal is cheapest - by far - of any power source. If you have coal like South Africa, China or US - and you dont care about enviroment.
Next would be hydro.
When you stop importing gas from Nigeria and soon Ivory coast...talk about it being cheap.

See how confused you are




3/4th of all the gas consumed by Ghana comes from Ghana oil fields which are pumping huge gas...

Our failure to consume all the gas we produce has already cause All the large oil companies to pull out of Kenya .... which has left kenyatta with no option but to used buckets to fetch his country oil, since Kenya cant afford the technology

GNPC together with Ghanaian billionaires are working to acquire various LNG vessels, gas, oil and chemical tankers for Ghana


We are talking additional billions of dollars investment into the energy sector

VLCCs are expensive