Sultan of Sokoto and Northern Emirs had always been invited with other traditional rulers to functions involving traditional rulers and even being considered higher in the hierarchy than other traditional rulers.
The traditional rulers where appointed to keep and sustain our traditional system, culture and beliefs, maintain our traditional institutions and heritage. As far as I know Sultan and Emir's are not in African tradition but Imported Islamic religious culture. That's why you will see Islamic country answering United Arab Emirate, (UAE) and the proposed Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan by Taliban.
In my option Emirs are custodian of Islamic tradition and not true African tradition.. What happened to the traditional Hausa chief like Shehu of Bornu?
It will be a mistake to consider Islamic chiefs against real African Traditional leaders or Chiefs when drafting the new constitution. Emirs should be recognized as religious leaders and our true Hausa chiefs should be brought back.

*TRUE OR FALSE?*

*Wike throws bomb.*

You can't destroy beer in your state in the name of sharia yet share from VAT on beer from other states. It is hypocrisy.

Free money has promoted laziness. If you want to be a governor grow your state's economy.

You can't contribute humongous numbers during elections that can't translate to tax earnings for your state

If they can vote they should be able to work and pay tax.

The illiteracy in this thread is crazy, Shehu of Bornu a Hausa title?

kufre2010:
Our true Hausa chiefs should be brought back.

Are you Hausa? If not what do you mean by our? Its hilarious the people crying about this issue are never the hausa but busy bodies outsiders. Why even have a monarchy to begin with?

vedaxcool:
The illiteracy in this thread is crazy, Shehu of Bornu a Hausa title.

Shehu of Bornu is Kanuri title and not Islamic or FULANI

Kanem/ Bornu empire was there before Fulanis invasion or Jihad led by Usman Dan Fodio

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kufre2010:


Shehu of Bornu is Kanuri title and not FULANI

Kanem/ Bornu empire was there before Fulanis invasion or Jihad led by Usman Dan Fodio

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Keep arguing your ignorance to yourself

kufre2010:

What happened to the traditional Hausa chief like Shehu of Bornu?.

vedaxcool:
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Keep arguing your ignorance to yourself

There are many different tribes in Bornu state just like in Northern Nigeria. Infact Northern Nigeria has more tribes than South but officially it is always Hausa/ Fulani that you will hear, that why I used Hausa instead of Kanuri

Hausas lost their cultural heritage including traditional institution to Islam with the invasion and conquer of Hausawa kingdom by Fulani progenitor called Usman Dan Fodio in 1800 through rebirth of Islam as professed by Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Everything happening in the North must be in accordance with Islamic laws, ethics and principles. From marriage to naming ceremony to social gathering etc.

kufre2010:


There are many different tribes in Bornu state just like in Northern Nigeria. Infact Northern Nigeria has more tribes than South but officially it is always Hausa/ Fulani that you will hear, that why I used Hausa instead of Kanuri

Is Hausa-Fulani one tribe just like Igbo, Yoruba, Igala, Ijaw etc

Tomek09:
Hausa lost their cultural heritage including traditional institution to Islam. Everything happening in the North must be in accordance with Islamic laws, ethics and principles.

You are correct, just like Southern Nigeria had lost most of it traditional practices to Christianity. Foreign religion is anti-development , they don't allow you to think smart and correctly toward your own self and community but only think of the religious concepts and also about the place religion emanated from.
No country can make it abounding it's God given culture and religion.
We must drop the foreign concept and imbibes our own tradition and culture and to do this we must drop these foreign religions that are destroying us spiritually and sapping our energy.

We don't need Islamic ( Arabic tradition) or Christianity ( Roman) tradition but we need African tradition. A tradition that the creator gave to the very first African, a tradition that has no founder or organizers.
It is our Identity, it define who the creator says we should be. Aboundering our tradition is telling the creator he was wrong. Leave
Catholic says our names are Satanic, diabolical. So they start changing our names to Roman's names, they called us Mary, John etc. So if the creator gave us language. we should not bear names in our languages but bears name in Arabic and Roman language? This was deception and has to change.
Our traditional rulers must truelly be African traditional rulers and not Islamic rulers

Tomek09:

Is Hausa-Fulani one tribe just like Igbo, Yoruba, Igala, Ijaw etc

This question should be directed to government, why would they list IGBO, Yoruba and then instead of Hausa they will write Hausa/Fulani

It simply shows that you don't know anything about Hausa tribe or their culture. The title of SARKI (emir) has been in almost all the major Hausa towns and cities for more than 500 to 1000 yrs before Islamic practice comes to the land. Katsina, Daura and Kano emirates has a history ranging back to 2000 yrs but Islam came around 400 yrs back.

kufre2010:

It will be a mistake to consider Islamic chiefs against real African Traditional leaders or Chiefs when drafting the new constitution

Did the Hausa living in this area tell you they do t want their current monarchs? Why do you feel the need to decide for them what is African and not African enough? Again why even bother with a monarchy in this imaginary scenario.

Before The Fulani Emirs, There Were Hausa Kings.

Many Nigerians think that the Sokoto caliphate is the most oppressive government for communities not under its direct control in northern Nigeria ever experienced. It is assumed that in the era before their ascendancy, Hausaland (which they assumed is the entirety of the region as it is today) is peaceful and progressive. Yes, it might be progressive but it was oppressive to some minority communities in the region.

During an interview with a native from Southern Kaduna when doing my undergraduate project, an elderly man told me that before the Fulani Emirs established themselves there were Hausa Sarakai(Kings) who were equally oppressive. In fact, during the era of the Hausa Kings, the Fulani also suffered from the oppressive rule of the Hausa monarchs.



The ancient city of Kano was first a Hausa City then taken over by the Fulani after during the Sokoto Jihad (Image: Asiri Magazine)

About 600 to 500 years ago, the Hausa-speaking people in northern Nigeria established some big and powerful kingdoms: Daura, Katsina, Kano, Zazzau, Gobir, Rano, Biram. Kano and Zazzau were at some point the most powerful, Zazzau is known for its most legendary Queen, Amina. At their peak, these Kingdoms were very massive and were centers of learning and commerce. During their expansionist campaigns, many smaller ethnic communities in the north were conquered and captured as commodities for their slave traders which made the Trans-Sahara Slave Trade lucrative for hundreds of years.



Kagoro people of Southern Kaduna are some of the ethnic minorities In the north that suffered from both Hausa and Fulani rulers (Image: Echoes of Hope)

To procure slaves, Hausa slave warriors raided communities and captured people and retain them as domestic servants, community slaves, or sold to slave traders in markets in Zaria and Kano. Those communities who were directly under Hausa's rule were heavily taxed and abused, their commodities often seized forcefully, etc. The Fulani people in Hausaland and its environs had either settled and worked for the Hausa kings and noblemen or dwell in the bushes herding their cattle which they are heavily taxed. It was the oppressive and corrupt Hausa rule that incite the population to support the Fulani during the Danfodio led Jihad.



Kafanchan: minority ethnic communities that lived here were subjected to raids by Fulani Emirs as well as the Hausa Kings that preceded them(Image: Wikipedia)

The Jihadists promised to establish a just society. After the Hausa Kings were defeated and their kingdoms were taken over, the new Fulani overlords took their government deeper and farther into areas their herding kin have visited and settled and established Emirates there. Many newer emirates were established in areas belonging to other ethnic communities where the Hausa had only raided but were unable to establish their authority. For example, in Southern Kaduna where I conducted my interview. Jema'a Emirate was established by the herding Fulani communities who pasture in the area during the Hausa period. But now they have become the lords.



Hausa slave raiders and later the Caliphate attacked communities in the north and captured people as slaves. These communities did not differentiate between the Fulani and Hausa, they were the same to them (Image: All About History)

The Fulani like the Hausa before them began raiding these ethnic communities for slaves to continue serving the needs of the new Fulani lords and markets. Between 1804 and 1904, when the Fulani era began up to when the British conquered the Sokoto Caliphates.

This is just a summary to show that the Fulanis Emirate does not predate Hausa kimgs

Blue3k:


Did the Hausa living in this area tell you they do t want their current monarchs? Why do you feel the need to decide for them what is African and not African enough? Again why even bother with a monarchy in this imaginary scenario.

Yes they do, as I am typing this, they are agitating to break away from Fulanis. They called themselves middle belt.

Islamic Tradition cannot replace African Tradition, never. it is a matter of time.

Blue3k:


Are you Hausa? If not what do you mean by our? Its hilarious the people crying about this issue are never the hausa but busy bodies outsiders. Why even have a monarchy to begin with?

because you know too well Emir or Sultan is not traditional title but religious title. The End of Fulani is very very close. they must go with their religion of war.

Their was no emir in the 1979. Hausa had seriki

kufre2010:


Yes they do, as I am typing this, they are agitating to break away from Fulanis. They called themselves middle belt.

Islamic Tradition cannot replace African Tradition, never. it is a matter of time.

Ok son you're not hausa but you're speaking for them. Africans adopted Islamic traditions dont make such a simple issue difficult to understand. Calling yourself middle belt doesn't mean a thing.

Traditional titles are administrated by the state governments the can alter and abolish them at will. If they really wanted to end it would be done just like how it was in Kano with little to no effort. The fact is this whining starts and stops on nairaland.

Habiyo:
because you know too well Emir or Sultan is not traditional title but religious title. The End of Fulani is very very close. they must go with their religion of war.

You don't know the Traditional titles simply has a religious component? Lol you weirdos love speaking for the Hausas like they have no agency. Lol I dont even care for the existence of monarchies. Titles of nobility are pointless. Its only you weirdos stressing yourself over vestigial institutions.

kufre2010:


Shehu of Bornu is Kanuri title and not Islamic or FULANI

Kanem/ Bornu empire was there before Fulanis invasion or Jihad led by Usman Dan Fodio

Sheu is the local rendition of the Arabic word for a religious scribe, Sheik.

kufre2010:
Sultan of Sokoto and Northern Emirs had always been invited with other traditional rulers to functions involving traditional rulers and even being considered higher in the hierarchy than other traditional rulers.
The traditional rulers where appointed to keep and sustain our traditional system, culture and beliefs, maintain our traditional institutions and heritage. As far as I know Sultan and Emir's are not in African tradition but Imported Islamic religious culture. That's why you will see Islamic country answering United Arab Emirate, (UAE) and the proposed Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan by Taliban.
In my option Emirs are custodian of Islamic tradition and not true African tradition.. What happened to the traditional Hausa chief like Shehu of Bornu?
It will be a mistake to consider Islamic chiefs against real African Traditional leaders or Chiefs when drafting the new constitution. Emirs should be recognized as religious leaders and our true Hausa chiefs should be brought back.

God bless you

oyatz:


Sheu is the local rendition of the Arabic word for a religious scribe, Sheik.

Then main objective of this thread is that we don't tolerate people who replace African Tradition with Arabic or Islamic culture. It is not proper. We must go back to the true African culture

kufre2010:


This question should be directed to government, why would they list IGBO, Yoruba and then instead of Hausa they will write Hausa/Fulani

That prompted my question too bro.

Is Hausa-Fulani one tribe or joint tribe United inyl Islam??

Sluvist:
It simply shows that you don't know anything about Hausa tribe or their culture. The title of SARKI (emir) has been in almost all the major Hausa towns and cities for more than 500 to 1000 yrs before Islamic practice comes to the land. Katsina, Daura and Kano emirates has a history ranging back to 2000 yrs but Islam came around 400 yrs back.

Sarki in hausa means king or chief ruler. Not Emir. Emir is from Arabic "Amir", which is an Islamic leader.

HedwigesMaduro:


Sarki in hausa means king or chief ruler. Not Emir. Emir is from Arabic "Amir", which is an Islamic leader.

Both AMIR and EMIR are not Hausa words and are not adopted into Hausa. The word of SARKI and MASARAUTA (EMIR and EMIRATE) has been in use before Arab or English comes to Africa. There is no unified country in Hausaland that is why they don't have a word that refers to a KING. The word of SULTAN was later created to be used like a king after Dafodio's unification of the north, as the throne is controlling what can be seen as a country with emirates within, it covers Nigeria and some parts of Niger Republic.

Sluvist:

Both AMIR and EMIR are not Hausa words and are not adopted into Hausa. The word of SARKI and MASARAUTA (EMIR and EMIRATE) has been in use before Arab or English comes to Africa. There is no unified country in Hausaland that is why they don't have a word that refers to a KING. The word of SULTAN was later created to be used like a king after Dafodio's unification of the north, as the throne is controlling what can be seen as a country with emirates within, it covers Nigeria and some parts of Niger Republic.

You sure read where I posted that Emir is an adaptation of the Arabic "Amir"?

kufre2010:
In my option Emirs are custodian of Islamic tradition and not true African tradition.. What happened to the traditional Hausa chief like Shehu of Bornu

You are goi

''What happened to the traditional Hausa chief like Shehu of Bornu?''
Ignorant fool.

Nigerians have come with their inconsistencies.

In school, they defined culture a way of life of a people. If it is part of the way of life, it is part of the culture. It doesn't matter wether it is borrowed or not.

Secondly, most aspects of culture, including language are borrowed. Once you adopt it and practice it for decades, it becomes a valid culture. That is why even among Nigerian tribes, we borrowed culture from one another. We also borrowed a lot from the Arabs and Europe.

That is how we got Yoruba words like adura, anfani, aisiki, alubaruka, and many others of Arabic origin.

That is how we got English words like boda (brother), anti (aunty), titi (street), bibeli (Bible), etc domesticated as Yoruba expressions.

That is how the south south also got singlets, hat, and walking from the Portuguese and adopted them as their cultural wears.

And that is why Emirs and sultans are also valid parts of northern culture.

We need to know that for the sake of progress, it is normal to adopt foreign culture and domesticate them as indegenous culture.

You can hardly find an originally and wholly indegenous culture. That is the truth.

And that is why I disagree with those who refuse to accept that shirt and trousers is now rightly recognised as aspects of our culture. We have now been wearing them for more than a 100 years at least �. And they our part of our daily way if life. Except we want to redefine culture.