₦airaland Forum

You kidding me? You expect Ghanaian on nairaland to respond to every foo0l talking trash? We Ghanaians don't have time for stvpid foools We are busy building our country

obaaderemi:
Wait a bit, brother.
Why are the Ghanaians here not defending Nkrumah the way you are doing? Probably, he isn't fondly remembered in Ghana today.

Abohboy:
Communism is bad and can never work

Socialism has a chance at working depending on the severity of it

rvp2018:
There is nothing marxist about kenya or Africa socialism. Cooperation or socialism is different from communism or marxism. Kenya for example has Africa leading and seventh world cooperative movement. Any communism that is voluntary is socialism - just like Kenya cooperative movement - where people come together, pull resources together and achieve economies of scale - voluntarily.

Communism is where gov forces everyone to cooperate. It just never works. It breed laziness.

rvp2018:
Nobody want IMF. Not Greece. Not Argentina. Not Nigeria. Not Kenya. IMF are invited when your have mismanaged your country so much it's in a state of collapse.

Never invite IMF - stay away from it. They are like receiver-manager. They are not coming to be nice to your or to develop your country. They are coming to stablize the economy, force your to pay some debt back and give your very painful injections.

When you're under IMF - the last thing you want to think about is development.

China loans DO NOT OPERATE IN SAME SPACE WITH IMF.

China loans compete with World Bank. And Indeed they are better. Compare China loan with WB, ADB and such development banks.

Hueman:
So you agree, the IMF is a neo colonial institution meant to make us dependent on our former colonizer.

rvp2018:
There is nothing marxist about kenya or Africa socialism. Cooperation or socialism is different from communism or marxism. Kenya for example has Africa leading and seventh world cooperative movement. Any communism that is voluntary is socialism - just like Kenya cooperative movement - where people come together, pull resources together and achieve economies of scale - voluntarily.

Communism is where gov forces everyone to cooperate. It just never works. It breed laziness.

Hueman:
I hope you realize that the government does not exist under communism. lol. The goal of communism is a stateless, classless, and moneyless society. Where workers own the means of production. It’s would benefit Africans a lot cause the government and the rich keep selling us out and holding us back.

rvp2018:
You need to complete Karl Marx seminal work Das Kapital and fix the bugs in there. It has been found to breed laziness, multiply poverty and lead to total chaos. Humans are by nature - selfish - and you cannot force them to be equal.

rvp2018:
I agree. Both IMF and WB and the UN - are due for reforms - by allowing newly rich countries to inject more capital and respond better to global financial crisis. IMF and WB are under US and EU - those are white racist institution thereof. The UN is under a veto of 5 nations.

These institutions have not grown since WW2 to reflect the current realities. All the three are overdue for reforms - and thankfully banks like China, ADB,Asian Dev Bank - etc are stepping up to provide some competition in WB arena. We do not have IMF like institution - a few Arabs nation do bail out fellow Arabs countries...

But I disagree that IMF is largely responsible for mess that our economies find ourselves. We invite IMF by failing to prudently manage our public finances.

Hueman:
What do you mean by we. “We” Implies that our government represents the masses. Our government are puppets that works for the interest of western neoliberal capitalism.

Hueman:
Pyongyang North Korea VS Lagos Nigeria

Oga let’s bring this conversation back towards reality.

rvp2018:
We need to do a better job electing better leaders. We cannot just pass the buck. You got to take some responsibility.

rvp2018:
Compare North Korea and South Korea.
Nigeria is mess.

Hueman:
Pyongyang North Korea VS Lagos Nigeria

Oga let’s bring this conversation back towards reality.

rvp20182:
You're not a south african - why would I be hurt - yet I know South Africa is ahead of kenya - by far - at least 3-4 times ahead.

UON has 8 campus - that is just the main campus - plus many satellite campus.
And there are many universities in kenya

Number of universities in Kenya 2013-2019. As of 2019, Kenya counted 63 universities, increasing from 61 in 2017. Compared to 2013, the number of higher education institutions increased by some 20 percent. In the 2019-2020 academic year, Kenya had approximately 509,4 thousand students pursuing a university degree

And let move back to Ghana - from Capetown?

There are fifteen (15) national public universities in Ghana - That is why you're running to South Africa.

Hueman:
We have to bring up Nigeria because we are discussing which system would help Nigeria. You need to be honest with yourself communism isn’t bad. You are only brainwashed to believe that it is bad.

Let me explain these economics system in a Nigerian way.

Capitalism: Dangote owns and controls his company

Socialism: Dangote workers owns and controls “his” company and can fire him if they feel he is not fit for his job. They get to control their wages and working hours.

Communism: same as socialism except the government, currency, and class does not exist.


In its literal definition does communism sounds like a bad idea? NO. These Marxist system sounds reasonable and are wayyyy better than how Nigeria is ran. This was even how pre colonial Africa was like. We didn’t have things like homelessness or landlords. Everyone worked according to their ability. We need this system more than ever because our government and the capitalist class have continued to sell us out to the west. Capitalism is holding this country back, you forget that the royal Niger company owned us and held our own development back for centuries, that’s what happens when the means of production goes into the hand of private ownership. China, North Korea, Cuba, and Vietnam proves that a world outside of capitalism can exist.

Obiano13:
are you calling yourself a 'sane' person?

AfriqueDuZuid:
South Africa has 27

It's not quantity of unis that matters

AfriqueDuZuid:
South Africa has 27

It's not quantity of unis that matters

Abohboy:
Bro you're an idiot the IMF is not your friend and Nigeria didn't gp to them they came to us and gave us recommendations to strengthen our currency which was already one of the strongest in the world at the time even stronger then the dollar and pound we followed these recommendations and over night the naira went from 80 kobo to 1 dollar ( Kobo is like cents ) to 1 dollar to 20 naira because of IMF recommendations the west is not your friend and never will be when working with them tread lightly.

The country's Central Bank is more
than three months behind in releasing
hard currency to pay off short-term
trade debts, according to
representatives from three major
western banks operating here. They say
most U.S. and European banks, fearing
they will not be paid, are refusing to do
business with Nigerian importers.

"What Nigerians don't understand is
that they don't have any money now,"
one financial analyst here said. "They
can't bring anything into their
country."

There are ominous signals from Saudi
Arabia that it may step up its oil
production and force a one-third
reduction in the price of crude oil.
Nigeria's economy, which depends on
oil exports for about 96 percent of its
foreign exchange earnings, already has
been crippled by the world oil glut. Its
revenues have been cut in half in the
past five years. To adjust, the
government has imposed an austerity
program that has laid off tens of
thousands of workers, reduced social
benefits and canceled ambitious
government building plans.

A further one-third reduction in
national income, oil analysts here say,
would make it all but impossible for
Nigeria to pay interest on its $22 billion
foreign debt. Service on that debt
already eats up 44 percent of export
earnings.
"This would just kill the country," one
analyst here said.

Abohboy:
This jewish bs again idgaf about your conspiracy theories and all those people you listed I don't respect them and we don't need to follow the paths of those in China and Russia to achieve the same progress the best example I can give are Sankara and Lumumba what exactly did they do that's so wrong please explain to me how marxism made them Jewish paybots?

obaaderemi:
Bro, the IMF gave us recommendations because we took a loan from them. They don't just come in and mess up your economy. The IMF are like doctors (let me put it properly: private hospital owners who are not always very noble) who come here to offer help to a dying person. But their medicine can be and is usually poisonous.

Nigeria's economy was doing very badly in 1985 when we went to the IMF for the first time. Oil prices had crashed in the international market coupled with Buhari's poor management of the economy, we had no choice but to borrow or face further shrinking of the economy.

The naira then was overvalued and would have eventually crashed. Babangida came in and one of the first things he did was to take the IMF loan. They they gave him the hard recommendations.
This was Nigeria in 1985:


Pray tell me, what could we have done?

obaaderemi:
Sankara was okay but Lumumba was a frivolous half baked politician who just seized an opportune moment.

Torture2020:
You kidding me? You expect Ghanaian on nairaland to respond to every foo0l talking trash? We Ghanaians don't have time for stvpid foools We are busy building our country

Hueman:
Pyongyang North Korea VS Lagos Nigeria

Oga let’s bring this conversation back towards reality.

Hueman:
We have to bring up Nigeria because we are discussing which system would help Nigeria. You need to be honest with yourself communism isn’t bad. You are only brainwashed to believe that it is bad.

Let me explain these economics system in a Nigerian way.

Capitalism: Dangote owns and controls his company

Socialism: Dangote workers owns and controls “his” company and can fire him if they feel he is not fit for his job. They get to control their wages and working hours.

Communism: same as socialism except the government, currency, and class does not exist.


In its literal definition does communism sounds like a bad idea? NO. These Marxist system sounds reasonable and are wayyyy better than how Nigeria is ran. This was even how pre colonial Africa was like. We didn’t have things like homelessness or landlords. Everyone worked according to their ability. We need this system more than ever because our government and the capitalist class have continued to sell us out to the west. Capitalism is holding this country back, you forget that the royal Niger company owned us and held our own development back for centuries, that’s what happens when the means of production goes into the hand of private ownership. China, North Korea, Cuba, and Vietnam proves that a world outside of capitalism can exist.

obaaderemi:
China and Vietnam only started doing well when they embraced elements of capitalism.

Abohboy:
This jewish bs again idgaf about your conspiracy theories and all those people you listed I don't respect them and we don't need to follow the paths of those in China and Russia to achieve the same progress the best example I can give are Sankara and Lumumba what exactly did they do that's so wrong please explain to me how marxism made them Jewish paybots?

kikuyu1:
And yet they were only 4% of the population at this time? Coincidence?

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4467094

Find out how even Mao was surrounded by these people. Fyi,when Selassie was overthrown in '75 the Communist Dergue,directly influenced by the KGB took over. Mengistu was forced to kill the Emperor by the latter,not more than 5 in number the leader of whom was Jewish. He said,"you must kill him and all the rest of the nobility-as we did with our own."
This was told me by an Amhara Ethiopian buddy's dad who worked for both Selassie and Mengistu's intel service til his defection in the late 70s. Some serious people say these constant murders are actually a sacrifice to Moloch,an integral part of their true religion and I'm inclined to agree.