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Stalin also stole Germany manufacturing engine that Hilter had built - dismantling machinery and tools - and carting them away - to Russia. Some most of that USSR success was down to great work that Hilter had done to inspire Germans to produce.

Hueman:
Vietnam is so capitalist that they paused their economy to handle a pandemic.

China is so capitalist that they kill billionaires for corruption.

pls oga read something. These countries are not like America. And what happening in them is far more complex. For instance China recently banned private education to remove the gap between the rich and the poor. They recently created a program were high quality teachers are rotated around the country so student of different backgrounds can have the best quality education. These countries do not practice neoliberalism nor do they intend to. The fall of the ussr changed everything for communist countries, they had no choice but to open up or they’ll be stuck. Ex: see North Korea. All of these was outside of their control. China was smart for collecting the means of production from capitalist countries because they are very greedy for cheap labour. Then now they are using those productive capital to build themselves up. If you want to compare capitalism and communism. Just look at India vs China. They both started the same way but ended drastically differently.

kikuyu1:
NoKor is a relic of a TYPICAL Commie country. Poor and underdeveloped in ALL WAYS!
Where are the cars in Pyongyang?


[url][https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392821/amp/North-Korea-Paranoia-cars-silence-cities.html/url]

The few cars and other modern conveniences are STRICTLY reserved for the Bigwigs, formerly called the nomenklatura.



The average citizen in such a nation simply exists while forced to praise a system he despises. Check out the TRUTH of Cuba's healthcare.


[url][https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/the-myth-of-cuban-healthcareurl]

Even THE docs they send abroad got 7 USD monthly while THE state receives like 4k USD. Communism is perhaps the cruelest con on the globe.

Oga you are Nigerian. You come from the poverty capital of the world. While looking down on countries that have a better standards of living. North Korea is poor you are right. But those people are living longer than us.

North Korea life expectancy 71
Nigeria life expectancy 55
Cuba life expectancy 78

Dude Nigerians are suffering We are richer than cuba and North Korea but they live longer than us. This tells you how powerful communism is. Stop believing the lies of the west. They have forced neoliberal capitalism on us to keep us underdeveloped and we have nothing to show for it.


Cuba even made their own Covid-19 vaccine with a high efficiency rate and you still want to talk down on communism. What have nigeria even achieved, all our doctors are running away from this neoliberal hell.

“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread.”
-Joseph Stalin

rvp2018:
Import substitution was tried all over Africa in 1960s - the same period Kwame was on it - they are all failed. South Asian tigers refused to heed such advice and went for export led manufacturing - and they succeeded.

Kwame communism led to Ghana economic collapse and his subsequent overthrow. The rest are just attempt to rewrite history. Kwame was an epic failure in managing Ghana economy.

Indeed, Ghana experienced reasonably high growth soon thereafter, but by 1965 per capita growth was already negative, and when the coup d’état overthrew the Nkrumah regime in February 1966, per capita income was below its value at the time of independence

one, kwame Nkrumah did not practice Communism

Nkrumah's economic model was a monumental success in both job creation and raising people out of poverty... Something that Kenya has still not achieved...

Nkrumah was an epic success and his succeses was felt all over Africa

rvp2018:
You cannot pull communism without a very effective stalin like dictatorship. You need Sani Abacha to shoot people so they can cooperate.

Your ideal of communism can be achieved through
1) Trade and worker unions - this is what Western Countries uses - to allow workers to negotiate fair deals against capital owners
2) Cooperative movements - this is what countries use to organize workers and small business to also achieve that negotiating power.
3) Welfare or social safety net - to cushion the poor.

As for central planning - if you have a dictatorship and you're homogenous country - go for it! You may succeed like USSR. Hilter also succeeded. Dictators manage to get people working for common goal through fear of death and torture.

If not - then allow private sector to work it's magic - and focus on delivering basic infrastructure.

If you're a democracy - encourage formation of trade/workers union, cooperative movement and investment in social safety nets or welfare.

The irony of you saying this hilarious. Africa is ruled by so many dictatorship yet we have nothing to show for it. This development thing is more complex than liberal democracy VS authoritarianism.

By the way communism is designed as a dictatorship of the workers. This means workers controls the country. While capitalism is designed as a dictatorship of the bourgeois. Nigeria is a dictatorship controlled by the bourgeois. People like Dangote control this country. He has the state killing his workers when they try to protest against unfair working conditions. You live in a country were many are homeless and dying of hunger but you think it’s better because it’s not communism. Plsssss speak about these economic system from the perspective of an African person.

Communism can only be achieved through a revolution. Do you think Dangote will give us his company if we beg him and vote in the right leaders? They’ll try to kill us before we get it. We have to fight them back. China and ussr got to were they are through a revolution. The west has had those things you talk about yet they’re far away from communism.

You completely ignore the fact that we’ve been allowing the private sector to do what ever they want. I mean look at what she’ll is doing to the Niger delta. They won’t even do that in the west.

jl115:
Hopefully some more curvature pics for @saddamochieng00 today

Why haven't you posted them yet or were you busy fabricating them?

rvp2018:
Stalin also stole Germany manufacturing engine that Hilter had built - dismantling machinery and tools - and carting them away - to Russia. Some most of that USSR success was down to great work that Hilter had done to inspire Germans to produce.

Did hitler make it or did the workers make it? Lol. And I don’t know much about Nazi Germany so I would rather not talk about them. USSR success was their own. They didn’t need colonialism and imperialism like germany did. USSR even beat the US in the space program. USSR was a beast. They are the reason why many capitalist countries had to get social services so that their citizens wouldn’t start questioning capitalism lol.

To quality I mean altruistic dictatorship like Rwanda's Kagame, late Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia and previously Museveni.
But dude you've got crazy ideas that have no place in 21st century.
You're living almost in a time-wrap.
And most of us here are not Nigerians.

Hueman:
The irony of you saying this hilarious. Africa is ruled by so many dictatorship yet we have nothing to show for it. This development thing is more complex than liberal democracy VS authoritarianism.

By the way communism is designed as a dictatorship of the workers. This means workers controls the country. While capitalism is designed as a dictatorship of the bourgeois. Nigeria is a dictatorship controlled by the bourgeois. People like Dangote control this country. He has the state killing his workers when they try to protest against unfair working conditions. You live in a country were many are homeless and dying of hunger but you think it’s better because it’s not communism. Plsssss speak about these economic system from the perspective of an African person.

Communism can only be achieved through a revolution. Do you think Dangote will give us his company if we beg him and vote in the right leaders? They’ll try to kill us before we get it. We have to fight them back. China and ussr got to were they are through a revolution. The west has had those things you talk about yet they’re far away from communism.

You completely ignore the fact that we’ve been allowing the private sector to do what ever they want. I mean look at what she’ll is doing to the Niger delta. They won’t even do that in the west.

Despite their absence in the records, German rocket scientists had a lasting imprint on Soviet rocketry. The work of captured German scientists enabled the Soviet Union to rapidly catch up to, and briefly surpass, the United States in rocket technology.

Both US and USSR benefitted from Hilter German revolutionary work.

US took German scientist including the likes of Albert Eisteen.

USSR shameless dismantled German factories and carted it away to Russia - and used it to build their manufacturing.

The Soviet Union just like the United States absconded with intellectual property more than industrial material (mainly because the Allies bombed the German industrial complexes to near extinction) . Both countries were in hot pursuit of nuclear technology and space exploration. The U.S. had shown it's capabilities with the bombs at Nagasaki and Hiroshima which scared the Soviets. The U.S. got von Braun and many other top notch personnel and helped America develop the "Space Program" in a close race with the U.S.S.R.

Hueman:
Did hitler make it or did the workers make it? Lol. And I don’t know much about Nazi Germany so I would rather not talk about them. USSR success was their own. They didn’t need colonialism and imperialism like germany did. USSR even beat the US in the space program. USSR was a beast. They are the reason why many capitalist countries had to get social services so that their citizens wouldn’t start questioning capitalism lol.

Saddamochieng00:
Why haven't you posted them yet or were you busy fabricating them?

was sitting in the Isle seat unfortunately.... Thought I might have a row for my self like my flight from George..... Also the weather was terrible.....
But if you forgot... Here is the photo I took last week Tuesday and my boarding pass for that day

rvp2018:
Kenya population in 2009 was 47.5M. That is census we spend 200M dollars on. Get used to that.
Now every year we are adding 1.2-1.5m people - give and take - so as we speak kenya population is roughly around 50m.
We have about 0.6M admitted in universities.
We have about 0.4M admitted in TIVET - colleges.
We have about 3.6-4m admitted in high schools.
We have about 10m admitted in primary school.
We have about 2-3m admitted in pre-primary,

There are things we have nailed.

Recently we achieved Africa 1st 100 percent primary to secondary transition. All the 1.1M kids who complete 8yrs of primary education moving to secondary - we are hunting them in slums and anywhere until we make sure everyone has reported. Incredible.

There are things we are far behind - TIVET is one of those - we want to raise admission from 0.4m to 2million in very short time.

University enrollment is okay - but if we hit 1million - that will be okay - but major problem is to ensure 100 percent high school transition to TIVET/College.

Some investment in TIVET including giving them loans and bursary like university students, we are building 200 TIVET colleges, and have risen enrollment triple in 5yrs - and we want to quadripple that in another 5yrs

Kenya TIVET Bursary Scheme: The Higher Education Loans Board Kenya invites applications for TIVET bursaries from eligible students in Technical, Industrial, Vocational and Entrepreneurship Training (TIVET) tertiary institutions. TIVET institutions include Public National Polytechnics, Institutes of Technology and Technical Training institutes country-wide.

Elsewhere we are fine. We long stopped looking for excuses and are fixing our country.

So 60 years you only got 500 000 uni enrolment?
Tvet also a great move.

I'm not going in another basic education argument, it's washed out now, we were focusing on higher education,

Good stop making excuses and fix the country,

rvp2018:
Kenya population in 2009 was 47.5M. That is census we spend 200M dollars on. Get used to that.
Now every year we are adding 1.2-1.5m people - give and take - so as we speak kenya population is roughly around 50m.
We have about 0.6M admitted in universities.
We have about 0.4M admitted in TIVET - colleges.
We have about 3.6-4m admitted in high schools.
We have about 10m admitted in primary school.
We have about 2-3m admitted in pre-primary,

There are things we have nailed.

Recently we achieved Africa 1st 100 percent primary to secondary transition.


Elsewhere we are fine. We long stopped looking for excuses and are fixing our country.

Does the highlighted make sense to you?

10million in primary and 4 million in high school, and you have 100 percent transition?

Enlighten me

Chief I get your channel of thought but for full disclosure sake you should also mention the failed attempts at communism/socialism like Venezuela, Cambodia under Pol Pot just to mention a few.

Yes North Koreans live to 71 but most of that is painful and brutish.

While a 55 year old in Nigeria will probably die of Disease a North Korean will probably die more from hunger.

Hueman:
North Korea life expectancy is 71
Nigeria life expectancy is 55

You do the math.

“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread.“

-Joseph Stalin

Hueman:
Your first mistake is thinking we should learn from western Europe. These are countries that grew their wealth from colonialism, imperialism and holding us back. There’s nothing to learn from them. Without us they’ll be living in poverty. China got to were it is with a planned economy. They became a super power without all these harmful things the west did. They industrialize really quickly without holding back the development of the rest of the world. You know who also did this The ussr. These are the people Africans need to learn from. From my definition you can see how saying we should mix socialism and capitalism is an oxymoron. What you just described you wanted was capitalism with a welfare state. And that’s still not a good thing, because workers are still not free. Workers are still exploited under these system. The system is built on imperialism which continues to harm us since we come from the global south. Fun fact: those Norwegian countries have a state owned oil company that are part of the people destroying the Niger delta. Their wealth and social services is built on imperialism. They have to destroy our environment so they can afford these stuff. That’s the truth they never tell you. Socialism are co-op with a little extra step. So you being against Marxist theory but want Co-op is kinda funny.

No actual imo Norway's system is the best initial system for Nigeria then we can slowly move into the final stage of Socialism and Communism is a no no we end at Social democracy or at Socialism and Norway has their own oil reserves they aren't the reason and they don't contribute to the pollution of the Niger Delta the best countries to copy right now are the Scandinavian countries, Vietnam and Singapore what happened in China and Russia is not something we want to see I mean the destruction of human rights, invasion of privacy and the tens of millions that died at first.

Hueman:
North Korea life expectancy is 71
Nigeria life expectancy is 55

You do the math.

“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread.“

-Joseph Stalin

North Korea is not a good example and we shouldn't copy them

rvp2018:
Kenya population in 2009 was 47.5M. That is census we spend 200M dollars on. Get used to that.
Now every year we are adding 1.2-1.5m people - give and take - so as we speak kenya population is roughly around 50m.
We have about 0.6M admitted in universities.
We have about 0.4M admitted in TIVET - colleges.
We have about 3.6-4m admitted in high schools.
We have about 10m admitted in primary school.
We have about 2-3m admitted in pre-primary,

There are things we have nailed.

Recently we achieved Africa 1st 100 percent primary to secondary transition. All the 1.1M kids who complete 8yrs of primary education moving to secondary - we are hunting them in slums and anywhere until we make sure everyone has reported. Incredible.

There are things we are far behind - TIVET is one of those - we want to raise admission from 0.4m to 2million in very short time.

University enrollment is okay - but if we hit 1million - that will be okay - but major problem is to ensure 100 percent high school transition to TIVET/College.

Some investment in TIVET including giving them loans and bursary like university students, we are building 200 TIVET colleges, and have risen enrollment triple in 5yrs - and we want to quadripple that in another 5yrs

Kenya TIVET Bursary Scheme: The Higher Education Loans Board Kenya invites applications for TIVET bursaries from eligible students in Technical, Industrial, Vocational and Entrepreneurship Training (TIVET) tertiary institutions. TIVET institutions include Public National Polytechnics, Institutes of Technology and Technical Training institutes country-wide.

Elsewhere we are fine. We long stopped looking for excuses and are fixing our country.

Let's stick to universities please

The basic education matter has been stressed out for far too long now.

Also never ridicule any country's attempt for its own betterment because you don't understand their struggles and structures.

I've seen many ridiculing communism, but if you think of it all communism countries were put into sanctions or pushed to failure, but anyway that's a topic for another day

Hueman:
Oga you are Nigerian. You come from the poverty capital of the world. While looking down on countries that have a better standards of living. North Korea is poor you are right. But those people are living longer than us.

North Korea life expectancy 71
Nigeria life expectancy 55
Cuba life expectancy 78

Dude Nigerians are suffering We are richer than cuba and North Korea but they live longer than us. This tells you how powerful communism is. Stop believing the lies of the west. They have forced neoliberal capitalism on us to keep us underdeveloped and we have nothing to show for it.


Cuba even made their own Covid-19 vaccine with a high efficiency rate and you still want to talk down on communism. What have nigeria even achieved, all our doctors are running away from this neoliberal hell.

“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread.”
-Joseph Stalin

He's Kenyan, North Korea can easily lie about its statistics majority of the country's population is living in abject poverty and they recently had a massive famine only countries we should copy are Sweden, Norway, Vietnam and Singapore.

Hueman:
The irony of you saying this hilarious. Africa is ruled by so many dictatorship yet we have nothing to show for it. This development thing is more complex than liberal democracy VS authoritarianism.

By the way communism is designed as a dictatorship of the workers. This means workers controls the country. While capitalism is designed as a dictatorship of the bourgeois. Nigeria is a dictatorship controlled by the bourgeois. People like Dangote control this country. He has the state killing his workers when they try to protest against unfair working conditions. You live in a country were many are homeless and dying of hunger but you think it’s better because it’s not communism. Plsssss speak about these economic system from the perspective of an African person.

Communism can only be achieved through a revolution. Do you think Dangote will give us his company if we beg him and vote in the right leaders? They’ll try to kill us before we get it. We have to fight them back. China and ussr got to were they are through a revolution. The west has had those things you talk about yet they’re far away from communism.

You completely ignore the fact that we’ve been allowing the private sector to do what ever they want. I mean look at what she’ll is doing to the Niger delta. They won’t even do that in the west.

Communsim can't work neither Cuba nor Russia nor China are communist a communist country doesn't exist and never can exist we will stick with social democracy and socialism for progress there is no reason for any country to be communist and there's no way it can be achieved.

Hueman:
Did hitler make it or did the workers make it? Lol. And I don’t know much about Nazi Germany so I would rather not talk about them. USSR success was their own. They didn’t need colonialism and imperialism like germany did. USSR even beat the US in the space program. USSR was a beast. They are the reason why many capitalist countries had to get social services so that their citizens wouldn’t start questioning capitalism lol.

You made some valid entries

Lol

Actually factual

rvp2018:
Kenya population in 2009 was 47.5M. That is census we spend 200M dollars on. Get used to that.
Now every year we are adding 1.2-1.5m people - give and take - so as we speak kenya population is roughly around 50m.
We have about 0.6M admitted in universities.
We have about 0.4M admitted in TIVET - colleges.
We have about 3.6-4m admitted in high schools.
We have about 10m admitted in primary school.
We have about 2-3m admitted in pre-primary,

There are things we have nailed.

Recently we achieved Africa 1st 100 percent primary to secondary transition. All the 1.1M kids who complete 8yrs of primary education moving to secondary - we are hunting them in slums and anywhere until we make sure everyone has reported. Incredible.

There are things we are far behind - TIVET is one of those - we want to raise admission from 0.4m to 2million in very short time.

University enrollment is okay - but if we hit 1million - that will be okay - but major problem is to ensure 100 percent high school transition to TIVET/College.

Some investment in TIVET including giving them loans and bursary like university students, we are building 200 TIVET colleges, and have risen enrollment triple in 5yrs - and we want to quadripple that in another 5yrs

Kenya TIVET Bursary Scheme: The Higher Education Loans Board Kenya invites applications for TIVET bursaries from eligible students in Technical, Industrial, Vocational and Entrepreneurship Training (TIVET) tertiary institutions. TIVET institutions include Public National Polytechnics, Institutes of Technology and Technical Training institutes country-wide.

Elsewhere we are fine. We long stopped looking for excuses and are fixing our country.

Doubled in 5 yrs! How many countries have managed HALF that figure? Ex CS Education Matiangi/Abdalla (though she FKd up on another issue), ex PS Kevit Desai and present CS Magoha went ALL OUT and deserve medals.

Abohboy:
Communsim can't work neither Cuba nor Russia nor China are communist a communist country doesn't exist and never can exist we will stick with social democracy and socialism for progress there is no reason for any country to be communist and there's no way it can be achieved.

I feel like people disregard and disrespect China progress.

I so wish you explore the real China you'll be astonished, Russia and China are success stories.

We all know why Cuba is not prospering. however a mix of free market and command is better.

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AfriqueDuZuid:
I feel like people disregard and disrespect China progress.

I so wish you explore the real China you'll be astonished, Russia and China are success stories.

We all know why Cuba is not prospering. however a mix of free market and command is better.

China is a success stories but in the back story there were millions of deaths, multiple famines and hundreds of human rights violations and now today they invade the privacy of their citizens, jail anyone opposing them then theres the uyghur genocide and the censoring of journalism and journalists. Which is why I say we should copy some of what they did but also learn from their gross mistakes and I hope you know China isn't actually communist but is actually a Socialist market economy which is what Nigeria and other African countries should adopt not full on socialism or communism

AfriqueDuZuid:
You made some valid entries

Lol

Actually factual

Good hopefully that gets you interested in learning about socialism. You should join Seun kuti M.O.P political party. It’s a pan African socialist party. It’s completely new so we need more members.

Our primary school is 8yrs. Our secondary school is 4yrs. Our university is 4yrs. Therefore expect roughly 8m in primary. 4m in secondary. 4m in Tivet+all other colleges+university if we were to nail the transition.
8-4-4
A new system based on CBC - is coming up

AfriqueDuZuid:
Does the highlighted make sense to you?

10million in primary and 4 million in high school, and you have 100 percent transition?

Enlighten me

Abohboy:
China is a success stories but in the back story there were millions of deaths, multiple famines and hundreds of human rights violations and now today they invade the privacy of their citizens, jail anyone opposing them then theres the uyghur genocide and the censoring of journalism and journalists. Which is why I say we should copy some of what they did but also learn from their gross mistakes and I hope you know China isn't actually communist but is actually a Socialist market economy which is what Nigeria and other African countries should adopt not full on socialism or communism

Invasion of privacy is the US and other European countries best practice, China is still new to that game!

Which journalists were censored? Any proof?

There was never an absolute communist or absolute capitalism, hence mixed market system. China learns more towards communism thought it practice capitalism to some extent

yes the target is to get 2m; the university 1M; that should ensure high school to college transition of nearly 70 percent; that is pretty good.

kikuyu1:
Doubled in 5 yrs! How many countries have managed HALF that figure? Ex CS Education Matiangi/Abdalla (though she FKd up on another issue), ex PS Kevit Desai and present CS Magoha went ALL OUT and deserve medals.

rvp2018:
Our primary school is 8yrs. Our secondary school is 4yrs. Our university is 4yrs. Therefore expect roughly 8m in primary. 4m in secondary. 4m in Tivet+all other colleges+university
8-4-4
A new system based on CBC - is coming up

A uni does not actually have number of years its program dependant

Abohboy:
Communsim can't work neither Cuba nor Russia nor China are communist a communist country doesn't exist and never can exist we will stick with social democracy and socialism for progress there is no reason for any country to be communist and there's no way it can be achieved.

Yes you are right neither of them are communist. They have achieved the transitionary stages of socialism. But they’re all trying to achieve real communism. It’s just extremely hard when imperialist nations from the west continue to harass them because they’re threatened by this system. You should join Seun Kuti, Pan African socialist party. We are trying to bring radical changes to this country and it would be nice to have more members in our movement.

rvp2018:
yes the target is to get 2m; the university 1M; that should ensure high school to college transition of nearly 70 percent; that is pretty good.

Good luck with that

Hueman:
Good hopefully that gets you interested in learning about socialism. You should join Seun kuti M.O.P political party. It’s a pan African socialist party. It’s completely new so we need more members.

Unfortunately he's South African but we've built a good number of socialists so far about 5000 members and counting and currently we've raised about 2.5 million naira out of a targeted 20 million naira and this hasn't been officially anounced by talks are under way between NCP, SPN and M.O.P and we're also in talks with several student union groups and youth movements mainly based in Lagos, Ogun, Ondo and Oyo

Hueman:
Yes you are right neither of them are communist. They have achieved the transitionary stages of socialism. But they’re all trying to achieve real communism. It’s just extremely hard when imperialist nations from the west continue to harass them because they’re threatened by this system. You should join Seun Kuti, Pan African socialist party. We are trying to bring radical changes to this country and it would be nice to have more members in our movement.

Bro I told you about the party remember I was the one that made the thread for M.O.P and in my opinion the Socialist market economy that China has is what Nigeria should aim to achieve and maintain it's the best option and the right place I see no reason to go beyond that stage

Abohboy:
He's Kenyan, North Korea can easily lie about its statistics majority of the country's population is living in abject poverty and they recently had a massive famine only countries we should copy are Sweden, Norway, Vietnam and Singapore.

Sweden is an imperialist country pretending to be good. Look at how they allow H&M (a big Swedish fast fashion company) to use child labour in Bangladesh.

Norway is just like Sweden, they have a state owned oil company called equinor that’s destroying the Niger delta like shell.

Singapore is a tax heaven for the super rich. It’s very unrealistic for an African country to be. I would rather not be a dumping ground for oyinbo people. Lol

You want to learn from Vietnam learn about their revolutionary struggles. Learn from ho chi min. Learn how they fought against the French and Americans that’s how we will fight against our oppressors. The country is ran by socialist trying to achieve full communism. So yes learn from Vietnam.

Stop accusing North Korea of lying. Just look at their city it’s better than most cities in Africa. Nairobi is mess! So much poverty and struggles everywhere. They apparently living in abject poverty but their cities are better than ours. You can’t deny facts.