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AfriqueDuZuid:
Invasion of privacy is the US and other European countries best practice, China is still new to that game!

Which journalists were censored? Any proof?

There was never an absolute communist or absolute capitalism, hence mixed market system. China learns more towards communism thought it practice capitalism to some extent

China is a socialist market economy not capitalist and not communist and why are you acting like there's no evidence that China doesn't censor journalism?

Hueman:
Good hopefully that gets you interested in learning about socialism. You should join Seun kuti M.O.P political party. It’s a pan African socialist party. It’s completely new so we need more members.

I'm not Nigerian

I'm not pan African, the system is flawed but I wish you all the best.

most west africans and east afracans love it

Hueman:
Sweden is an imperialist country pretending to be good. Look at how they allow H&M (a big Swedish fast fashion company) to use child labour in Bangladesh.

Norway is just like Sweden, they have a state owned oil company called equinor that’s destroying the Niger delta like shell.

Singapore is a tax heaven for the super rich. It’s very unrealistic for an African country to be. I would rather not be a dumping ground for oyinbo people. Lol

You want to learn from Vietnam learn about their revolutionary struggles. Learn from ho chi min. Learn how they fought against the French and Americans that’s how we will fight against our oppressors. The country is ran by socialist trying to achieve full communism. So yes learn from Vietnam.

Stop accusing North Korea of lying. Just look at their city it’s better than most cities in Africa. Nairobi is mess! So much poverty and struggles everywhere. They apparently living in abject poverty but their cities are better than ours. You can’t deny facts.

Those are private companies and China's government allows foreign companies to own sweatshops where kids make clothes and they are aware of these things so it's not imperialist

Norway and oil okay fair enough

And stop talking about communism we don't need it socialism is as good as perfect and should be adopted by Nigeria if we can be like Vietnam and China it would be perfect.

AfriqueDuZuid:
I'm not Nigerian

I'm not pan African, the system is flawed but I wish you all the best.

most west africans and east afracans love it

Why aren't you pan african?

Abohboy:
China is a socialist market economy not capitalist and not communist and why are you acting like there's no evidence that China doesn't censor journalism?

US has the world's best program of journalists and whistle blower censoring program.

China is new to the game

Abohboy:
Why aren't you pan african?

It makes no sense, might have made sense in the 60s but not in 21 century

AfriqueDuZuid:
It makes no sense

Please elaborate I know there are different views on pan africanism but the general idea is Africans coming together to develop Africa essentiallt full integration, connected electricity grids, water and drainage systems, railways, roads, healthcare, education etc. All united under a singular system

We had a system that worked for us before the invasion of the imperialist.

Copying a imperialist system of government and economic will not work because they told you half backed truth.

Abohboy:
Please elaborate I know there are different views on pan africanism but the general idea is Africans coming together to develop Africa essentiallt full integration, connected electricity grids, water and drainage systems, railways, roads, healthcare, education etc. All united under a singular system

Look at Europe it's very small take the cize of DR Congo compare with europe

Take the population comparison, cos basically pan africanism/African union is just a leaf from European union which is crumbling as we speak

Why do you need 1 singular system? When many countries can't get itself to be in unity,

AfriqueDuZuid:
Look at Europe it's very small take the cize of DR Congo compare with europe

Take the population comparison, cos basically pan africanism/African union is just a leaf from European union which is crumbling as we speak

Why do you need 1 singular system? When many countries can't get itself to be in unity,

The one currency is what is the problem and the European Union trying to get involved in how different economies work and what they can and cannot do, all i'm proposing is sharing the excess and uniting the healthcare and education systems and connecting the continent with roads and railways

Bro another major factor you are missing out on is that the Vietnamese and Chinese are largely homogeneous countries where it will be easier to control and push policies the people will have no choice but to follow. Nigeria with our legion of ethnic groups any attempt to go the communist route will be met by stiff resistance from people who don't understand or people of other tribes who will think you have an ethnic agenda.

Even in our democratic setting every policy no matter how well intentioned is still being judged through tribal colored lenses.

Every country has good and bad examples you can copy but the trick is to mold a system to manage the present realities of the Nigerian society.

Hueman:
Sweden is an imperialist country pretending to be good. Look at how they allow H&M (a big Swedish fast fashion company) to use child labour in Bangladesh.

Norway is just like Sweden, they have a state owned oil company called equinor that’s destroying the Niger delta like shell.

Singapore is a tax heaven for the super rich. It’s very unrealistic for an African country to be. I would rather not be a dumping ground for oyinbo people. Lol

You want to learn from Vietnam learn about their revolutionary struggles. Learn from ho chi min. Learn how they fought against the French and Americans that’s how we will fight against our oppressors. The country is ran by socialist trying to achieve full communism. So yes learn from Vietnam.

Stop accusing North Korea of lying. Just look at their city it’s better than most cities in Africa. Nairobi is mess! So much poverty and struggles everywhere. They apparently living in abject poverty but their cities are better than ours. You can’t deny facts.

but what is really working? take Yorubas as an example. Different nation states attacking and killing each other. Selling fellow 'omo oduduwa' into slavery. We were a society that didn't really encourage some much innovation but elevated and encouraged superstition over enlightenment.

Don't get me wrong every society had their norms and spiritual beliefs but some how they were able to co-exist with development and scientific progress in their various societies.

Until the early part of last century saponna was still worshipped before the 'imperilist' brought vaccines that helped us eliminate smallpox from our environment.

One good thing the Chinese and Indians have been to do is understand what works globally be it economic and technological systems and integrating such into the realities of our cultures and societies.

forgiveness:
We had a system that worked for us before the invasion of the imperialist.

Copying a imperialist system of government and economic will not work because they told you half backed truth.

Abohboy:
Please elaborate I know there are different views on pan africanism but the general idea is Africans coming together to develop Africa essentiallt full integration, connected electricity grids, water and drainage systems, railways, roads, healthcare, education etc. All united under a singular system

if not for pan Africanism

his county will still be in apartheid

theInterpreter:
if not for pan Africanism

his county will still be in apartheid

Don't mind them but bro please i'm looking for like minded Nigerians to join this movement called M.O.P founded by Fela back in 79 and revived by Seun back in December the party is very close to registration just doing its NEC elections then we're on to approach INEC for registration are you interested in joining?

chrisooblog:
but what is really working? take Yorubas as an example. Different nation states attacking and killing each other. Selling fellow 'omo oduduwa' into slavery. We were a society that didn't really encourage some much innovation but elevated and encouraged superstition over enlightenment.

Don't get me wrong every society had their norms and spiritual beliefs but some how they were able to co-exist with development and scientific progress in their various societies.

Until the early part of last century saponna was still worshipped before the 'imperilist' brought vaccines that helped us eliminate smallpox from our environment.

One good thing the Chinese and Indians have been to do is understand what works globally be it economic and technological systems and integrating such into the realities of our cultures and societies.

Africa was and continues to be in shambles until its people abandon denial. Blaming white man for their suffering will not help. He brought both good and bad. Surprisingly, when he left, most black countries reverted to their default settings. For example, apartheid was terrible, but their country was better economically at the time than it is today. The same is true for most Sub-Saharan African countries.

theInterpreter:
if not for pan Africanism

his county will still be in apartheid

Lol how's the pan africanism agenda going after 60+ years?

The agenda would have worked best in the 60s not in 2021

Just spread your country compete with the world's best don't limit yourself to 1 market

mtisTheQubit:
Africa was and continues to be in shambles until its people abandon denial. Blaming white man for their suffering will not help. He brought both good and bad. Surprisingly, when he left, most black countries reverted to their default settings. For example, apartheid was terrible, but their country was better economically at the time than it is today. The same is true for most Sub-Saharan African countries.

Apartheid was not good for the majority, it was great economically for white south Africans not blacks.

Your reasoning capacity is weak.

Abohboy:
Unfortunately he's South African but we've built a good number of socialists so far about 5000 members and counting and currently we've raised about 2.5 million naira out of a targeted 20 million naira and this hasn't been officially anounced by talks are under way between NCP, SPN and M.O.P and we're also in talks with several student union groups and youth movements mainly based in Lagos, Ogun, Ondo and Oyo

1) How can I donate some of my money.

2) I did an analysis on which state is more interested in communism based on who searches the word “communism” compared to “Fulani” on google and here are the results. It’s very interesting.

theInterpreter:
if not for pan Africanism

his county will still be in apartheid

Countries like Netherlands played 1 huge role that no other country played in advocating against apartheid

AfriqueDuZuid:
Apartheid was not good for the majority, it was great economically for white south Africans not blacks.

Your reasoning capacity is weak.

Aside from the suffering endured by blacks during apartheid, would you say they are better off economically today than they were before...why do we have food riots an stuff down there?

Abohboy:
Bro I told you about the party remember I was the one that made the thread for M.O.P and in my opinion the Socialist market economy that China has is what Nigeria should aim to achieve and maintain it's the best option and the right place I see no reason to go beyond that stage

Sorry I didn’t notice that. It’s hard to tell who I’m talking to because the way this website is designed is really bad.

Hueman:
1) How can I donate some of my money.

2) I did an analysis on which state is more interested in communism based on who searches the word “communism” compared to “Fulani” on google and here are the results. It’s very interesting.

You can use the website it gives the best information on how to donate the website is mop.org.ng

Wow we should go to Bayelsa state quickly and try and set up base there if those statistics are true seems the south south and south east are our best options for a socialist revolution which makes sense with the marginilzation and pollution can you do an analysis on searches of pan africanism and socialism as well.

Abohboy:
The one currency is what is the problem and the European Union trying to get involved in how different economies work and what they can and cannot do, all i'm proposing is sharing the excess and uniting the healthcare and education systems and connecting the continent with roads and railways

Sharing excess to what?

Tell me why would you want to unite education and Healthcare? We have different budgets, somecountries are federal some are the other

AfriqueDuZuid:
Countries like Netherlands played 1 huge role that no other country played in advocating against apartheid

So the billions of dollars that Nigeria raised was for nothing? Nigeria boycotted a whole olympics over apartheid, stopped trade with South Africa, stopped the execution of Nelson Mandela go and read about jaja wachuku for that case, they used to do this thing where kids had to bring in money for apartheid every week in schools, civil workers salary was cut for apartheid the money saved from it was used to help ANC we even gave refuge to Nelson Mandela so did Tanzania and Algeria it was pan africanism that did the most for South Africa during apartheid not fucking Netherlands

Abohboy:
The one currency is what is the problem and the European Union trying to get involved in how different economies work and what they can and cannot do, all i'm proposing is sharing the excess and uniting the healthcare and education systems and connecting the continent with roads and railways

Roads in the South are connected between SA, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Lesotho, Zambia, eswatini up till DR congo

has EU involved itself on how Nigeria economy dynamics? If so

Quote relevant sources, to support your answer

AfriqueDuZuid:
Sharing excess to what?

Tell me why would you want to unite education and Healthcare? We have different budgets, somecountries are federal some are the other

Excess electricity and water at some point African countries will have excess power and the rest will be sold to other countries through the trans African electricity grid and concerning education are you really saying we can't have a unitary exam board like IGCSE or WAEC or WASSCE what's the problem with that federation or not has nothing to do with that and when it comes to healthcare it just means where ever you travel you can still get the same free healthcare as long as you pay your taxes unless you're exempt from them

AfriqueDuZuid:
Roads in the South are connected between SA, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Lesotho, Zambia, eswatini up till DR congo

has EU involved itself on how Nigeria economy dynamics? If so

Quote relevant sources, to support your answer

I said the problem with the EU in Europe was dictating the running of economies there or was my grammar bad?

Abohboy:
So the billions of dollars that Nigeria raised was for nothing? Nigeria boycotted a whole olympics over apartheid, stopped trade with South Africa, stopped the execution of Nelson Mandela go and read about jaja wachuku for that case, they used to do this thing where kids had to bring in money for apartheid every week in schools, civil workers salary was cut for apartheid the money saved from it was used to help ANC we even gave refuge to Nelson Mandela so did Tanzania and Algeria it was pan africanism that did the most for South Africa during apartheid not fucking Netherlands

What billions? To whom? And why?

Any proof that you sent billions to who ever you sent it to?

Trade - That's nothing new many countries stopped trade with South Africa even Zimbabwe did even Angola did, even European countries did, South Africa main source with Nigeria is 99% oil. And Nigeria was not huge in oil then.

Olympics - boycotting Olympics you just denied your citizenship medals they deserved

Abohboy:
I said the problem with the EU in Europe was dictating the running of economies there or was my grammar bad?

Tell me is EU dictating running of Nigerian economy?

Where is the Boer... i want to ask something about south african stuff

AfriqueDuZuid:
What billions? To whom? And why?

Any proof that you sent billions to who ever you sent it to?

Trade - That's nothing new many countries stopped trade with South Africa even Zimbabwe did even Angola did, even European countries did, South Africa main source with Nigeria is 99% oil. And Nigeria was not huge in oil then.

Olympics - boycotting Olympics you just denied your citizenship medals they deserved

That's very honest of you ...at least Kenya didn't give a hoot about the whole thing...

AfriqueDuZuid:
What billions? To whom? And why?

Any proof that you sent billions to who ever you sent it to?

Trade - That's nothing new many countries stopped trade with South Africa even Zimbabwe did even Angola did, even European countries did, South Africa main source with Nigeria is 99% oil. And Nigeria was not huge in oil then.

Olympics - boycotting Olympics you just denied your citizenship medals they deserved

Go and search Nigeria apartheid donations and teach yourself