₦airaland Forum

theInterpreter:
did Benin Republic not embrace communism?

The problem was they embraced communism and the wrong type of it they did what Cuba and North Korea did instead of what Vietnam did but in any case only socialism can work and should be practiced

theInterpreter:
just keep your ideas to yourself abég

Nigeria is a type 6 society that will only become worse with the introduction of any type of communism

Bro that's why I said we shouldn't embrace or even use communism cause it can never work we should adopt social democracy or a socialist market economy that's the best system for Nigeria either Awolowo or Xiaoping or even in between

Abohboy:
You can use the website it gives the best information on how to donate the website is mop.org.ng

Wow we should go to Bayelsa state quickly and try and set up base there if those statistics are true seems the south south and south east are our best options for a socialist revolution which makes sense with the marginilzation and pollution can you do an analysis on searches of pan africanism and socialism as well.

The website I got this data is from “ google trend”

Bayelsa got the most revolutionary potential. We gotta set up organization there.

Abohboy:
So the billions of dollars that Nigeria raised was for nothing? Nigeria boycotted a whole olympics over apartheid, stopped trade with South Africa, stopped the execution of Nelson Mandela go and read about jaja wachuku for that case, they used to do this thing where kids had to bring in money for apartheid every week in schools, civil workers salary was cut for apartheid the money saved from it was used to help ANC we even gave refuge to Nelson Mandela so did Tanzania and Algeria it was pan africanism that did the most for South Africa during apartheid not fucking Netherlands

Why are you forcing it? If the SAns don't see your contributions during apartheid,let it go. We don't force friendships.
I don't know who told Africans that we should only force some other Africans to be our pals! If SAns love and want the whites or Netherlands, let them be! If they wanna forget their past,let it be.Its their choices after all.
All choices has consequences. Only time will tell

Abohboy:
List Of States interested in Socialism and Communism 50% search interest and over

Plateau, Enugu, Oyo, Nasarawa, Delta, Cross River, Osun, Kwara, Oyo, Rivers, Edo, Kaduna, Bauchi and Anambra i'm quite surprised to see two northern states there tbh but these are the states we should target for mass demonstrations and grassroot mobilization movements

cc Hueman

It’s very disappointing to not see Lagos high on the list tbh but then again it’s not surprising cause everyone there is obsessed with being like Dangote.

rvp2018:
Import substitution was tried all over Africa in 1960s - the same period Kwame was on it - they are all failed. South Asian tigers refused to heed such advice and went for export led manufacturing - and they succeeded.

Kwame communism led to Ghana economic collapse and his subsequent overthrow. The rest are just attempt to rewrite history. Kwame was an epic failure in managing Ghana economy.

Indeed, Ghana experienced reasonably high growth soon thereafter, but by 1965 per capita growth was already negative, and when the coup d’état overthrew the Nkrumah regime in February 1966, per capita income was below its value at the time of independence

Have you read CIA report about Kwame Nkrumah and the report George Bush senior sent to the white house?

Hueman:
The website I got this data is from “ google trend”

Bayelsa got the most revolutionary potential. We gotta set up organization there.

Definitely i'm also seeing Enugu, Plateau, Osun and Oyo as potential bases

Hueman:
It’s very disappointing to not see Lagos high on the list tbh but then again it’s not surprising cause everyone there is obsessed with being like Dangote.

True but i'm sure in a few years with our conscousness movements we should be able to bring Lagos up on the list

obaaderemi:
Oh, you are right, Baba. Vietnam and China shun capitalism to the point that as we speak they don't have millionaire and billionaires- just like they didn't have them decades ago.

Vietnam and China are so totally communist that all production is not geared towards profit making but just about the people's wellbeing.

Oga, na you suppose read more and study how the world economy works. When Vietnam and China were totally communist, they were poor, very poor. But when they embraced elements of capitalism and opened up their economies and countries, they took off like rockets. The other day, Xinpeng was at Davos defending
'capitalist' way of production and what have you.

Now, the major aim of communism was to create a classless society, Can you honestly say that the Chinese and Vietnamese societies are classless and equal?
China, since you don't seem to know, is one of the most unequal countries in Asia. Oya!

China and Vietnam are ran by socialist trying to achieve full communism. These things takes time to achieve. Because....

1) Vietnam and China are victims of colonialism and imperialism so they are still working hard to improve the standards of living for their citizens. It’s not easy especially when your population is high. Comparing these countries to western standards is very unfair because the west built its wealth from colonialism, imperialism, slavery,etc....

2) you need to learn what these countries were like before they attempted communism. China was a poor feudal society. Their economy grew a lot under MAO so saying communism never benefited them is very hilarious. Plus you ignore how the fall of the ussr negativity affected every communist countries. They couldn’t trade with other capitalist countries because of Cold War infighting and hostility. Due to this every communist country was dependent on the USSR, the fall of the ussr forced countries like China and Vietnam to liberalize their economy so they can access foreign capital and use it to benefit them. Remember these former colonized countries barely had capital or good human capital because the whole country was held back by colonialism and imperialism. So opening up their economy was logical for them.

Look at how these countries handled the pandemic compared to capitalist countries like India, Brazil, America, France. China and Vietnam did the logical thing of pausing rent and mortgage payments and bringing their economy to a stop. That’s what happened when your country is ran by a bunch of socialist. India not doing caused a huge spike in the spread of this disease and it costed many life’s.


Mr man pls take a book and read instead of speaking confidently on things you don’t know.

obaaderemi:
North Korea, a country of only 25m. With most of them starving. Well done, Sir.

Afghanistan life expectancy is 64 years.

I guess that makes it a place of pride.
North Korea is not a model country. Nigeria is better.

Nigeria is even rich than Cuba but Cuba was able to create their own vaccines for this pandemic. By the way Cuba is sanctioned by America, due to this they cannot trade with the rest of the world. Despite that they already created their own vaccines. What does that say about Nigeria ?? Mr.Man stop defending nonsense. Capitalism is holding Nigeria back.

It easy to blame CIA and give Dr Kwame Nkrumah a free pass for his disastrous economic policy that bankrupted Ghana. At least Julius Nyerere of TZ was man enough to admit failure without looking for lame excuse.

Wizzzzmike:
Have you read CIA report about Kwame Nkrumah and the report George Bush senior sent to the white house?

Hueman:
China and Vietnam are ran by socialist trying to achieve full communism. These things takes time to achieve. Because....

1) Vietnam and China are victims of colonialism and imperialism so they are still working hard to improve the standards of living for their citizens. It’s not easy especially when your population is high. Comparing these countries to western standards is very unfair because the west built its wealth from colonialism, imperialism, slavery,etc....

2) you need to learn what these countries were like before they attempted communism. China was a poor feudal society. Their economy grew a lot under MAO so saying communism never benefited them is very hilarious. Plus you ignore how the fall of the ussr negativity affected every communist countries. They couldn’t trade with other capitalist countries because of Cold War infighting and hostility. Due to this every communist country was dependent on the USSR, the fall of the ussr forced countries like China and Vietnam to liberalize their economy so they can access foreign capital and use it to benefit them. Remember these former colonized countries barely had capital or good human capital because the whole country was held back by colonialism and imperialism. So opening up their economy was logical for them.

Look at how these countries handled the pandemic compared to capitalist countries like India, Brazil, America, France. China and Vietnam did the logical thing of pausing rent and mortgage payments and bringing their economy to a stop. That’s what happened when your country is ran by a bunch of socialist. India not doing caused a huge spike in the spread of this disease and it costed many life’s.


Mr man pls take a book and read instead of speaking confidently on things you don’t know.

Mao didn't do shit China's economy started growing fast under Deng Xiaoping who introduced the socialist market economy that allowed China to industrialize rapidly.

hmm

AfriqueDuZuid:
I don't know about free world but I do know every country censors to some extent

Saw some article that Kenyan influences were paid to influence certain hash tags that caused divisions, sad how people will ruin their country stability for few pennies

totally

It is a mafia state

AfriqueDuZuid:
Lol but the US is master of that

We actually boycotted twice - but generally we allowed some Boers to trade. There was already a huge Boer community in kenya pleading for other Boers. These are the Boers who had trekked north after losing the Anglo-Boer war to British in South Africa - and established Eldoret town. Kenya was therefore one of the few Pro-Boer Africa country although we abided by AU resolutions.

Boer = in Kenya is called Kaburu.

Kenya boycotted the Olympics in 1976 and 1980. In 1976 Kenya joined other African nations who boycotted the Olympics to protest New Zealand's sporting links with apartheid South Africa. In 1980, Kenya acquiesced to pressure from the United States and boycotted the Olympics to protest the invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR

mtisTheQubit:
That's very honest of you ...at least Kenya didn't give a hoot about the whole thing...

Just30:
He is

Nkrumah dont really need defending, his great works speaks for him...
This Kenyan think Nkrumah thinks like his myopic leaders who only think about their stomach...

Nkrumah is celebrated as the greatest African even by Kenyans themselves.
All the stooges in Kenya, that he call leaders, all celebrate Nkrumah.

So just allow the Kenyan Lunatic who hasn't read wide to keep posting his usual nonsense

This is how Kenyans think and that is why they are mostly poor
#below

Loool

Precisely. There is the tendency to deny all the good the coloniliasm brought and only talk about the evil. This is why African never learnt anything. We should have learnt the good and great things European brought - as we did away with the evil. Countries that look at this soberly even invited some European to stay around with their expertise's. Even now countries should not shy away to ask for technical assistance from advanced countries - be they Chinese or Whites.

mtisTheQubit:
Africa was and continues to be in shambles until its people abandon denial. Blaming white man for their suffering will not help. He brought both good and bad. Surprisingly, when he left, most black countries reverted to their default settings. For example, apartheid was terrible, but their country was better economically at the time than it is today. The same is true for most Sub-Saharan African countries.

rvp2018:
Precisely. There is the tendency to deny all the good the coloniliasm brought and only talk about the evil. This is why African never learnt anything. We should have learnt the good and great things European brought - as we did away with the evil. Countries that look at this soberly even invited some European to stay around with their expertise's. Even now countries should not shy away to ask for technical assistance from advanced countries - be they Chinese or Whites.

What evil? As long as you don't say religion i'm good

Abohboy:
Mao didn't do shit China's economy started growing fast under Deng Xiaoping who introduced the socialist market economy that allowed China to industrialize rapidly.

Yes he did.

I think EU and AU should first and foremost be about TRADE. EU was formed after Europeans realized they needed to trade with each other when their colonies ended. It also better to trade with the neighborhood and cut the transport cost.

The other things in these regional integration are add-on. Every country should stick to their systems and unique situations but everything should be done to facilitate trade.

Our countries are already complex enough - but adding a continent with maybe 2,000 languages in crazy to the mix. We should just foster intra-africa trade. The rest will lead to unnecessary complications.

So Africa Free Trade Area is what we need...AU is useless talk shop for Africa presidents.

Abohboy:
The one currency is what is the problem and the European Union trying to get involved in how different economies work and what they can and cannot do, all i'm proposing is sharing the excess and uniting the healthcare and education systems and connecting the continent with roads and railways

theInterpreter:
did Benin Republic not embrace communism?

They did at one point. But there’s not enough resources on what socialism was like for them. I know that Tanzania, Burkina Faso and Ghana benefited from socialism.

Religion is one of good things - our animistic witchcraft voodo religion was bad.
Evil things - minority rule, racism, discrimination, cruelty, forced labour

Abohboy:
What evil? As long as you don't say religion i'm good

rvp2018:
Religion is one of good things - our animistic witchcraft voodo religion was bad.
Evil things - minority rule, racism, discrimination, cruelty, forced labour

Now you've pissed me off wdym by witchcraft and voodoo all western words and points of view what do you even understand of our traditional religions.

Hueman:
Yes he did.

No he didn't he caused famines, killed millions and destoryed culture and religion in China it was the economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping that transformed China's economy Mao was just the loudest.

Abohboy:
i'll make it simple i'm calling you a liar

If saying that makes you happy and makes you sleep at night

Say it

rvp2018:
It easy to blame CIA and give Dr Kwame Nkrumah a free pass for his disastrous economic policy that bankrupted Ghana. At least Julius Nyerere of TZ was man enough to admit failure without looking for lame excuse.

When the whites stop buying tea from ur country come and tell me u will still a strong economy... dumbass illiterate

Wizzzzmike:
When the whites stop buying tea from ur country come and tell me u will still a strong economy... dumbass illiterate

The "whites"? Pakistan and Egypt buys the most Kenyan tea dumb@ss.

Hueman:
Nigeria would benefit a lot from dismantling capitalism. If you are interested in learning why capitalism is bad join Seun kuti M.O.P party. It’s a pan African socialist party.

Socialism has failed badly in Cuba.Tanzania and Venezuela.China ,Vietnam and a few other formerly socialist states have succeeded partly by implementing capitalist ideas.So come again please?

Kenya tea main consumers are Arabs, Pakistanis, Afgans...England is not even 10 percent. Learn to diversify your economy

Wizzzzmike:
When the whites stop buying tea from ur country come and tell me u will still a strong economy... dumbass illiterate

Abohboy:
No he didn't he caused famines, killed millions and destoryed culture and religion in China it was the economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping that transformed China's economy Mao was just the loudest.

This is such an ignorant statement chaiii I don’t even know where to start. China is where it is now *because* of the work of hundreds of millions of communists, very much including Mao, Deng, Hu, and XiZ. The Great Northern famine killed millions, not Mao. The problem of famine was in fact ended during the Maoist period.

I hope it is obvious, but whenever you criticize a country -- particularly when you use terms like ‘evil’, ‘monster’, and ‘genocide’ --- you are implicitly arguing that your own country does not do the same or worse. Since the USSR/China is accused of killing millions of people, the default assumption then is that the US, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, and the other countries which make up the imperialist powers of the world have killed zero people. It’s even funny because these people practiced capitalism to do it but you’ve convinced yourself that capitalism is a good system. The list of deaths goes on and on, of course, as anyone in the global south knows all too well. Analyzing societies is complex, nuanced work. It requires that we recognize the many contradictions that all societies have, and that the modern nation-state is built on blood, full stop. Yet what do we make of those attempts to marshal the vast power of the state to ends that genuinely meet peoples’ needs? What do we make of that? The bourgeoisie regards it as one of the great evils of history, and on this basis alone we should study it. But then we come to find that apart from the lies told about socialism, it has a record of actually delivering what it has promised: rapid industrialization and economic growth, and an economy that is structured for the needs of the average person. (while recognizing that the capitalist powers and the global marketplace put limits on the power of any state). How do we know that peoples’ lives were better under socialism? Well we could look at literally any measure of human well-being that social science has. All of them, from caloric intake, to life expectancy, to infant mortality, to literacy, to absolute poverty, etc show. the successes of structuring society so that it meets human needs rather than capitalism, which is based on what most effectively puts society’s wealth in the hands of the few. Oga, the bourgeoisie has tried to fool us into thinking that socialism is the great killer and oppressor of humanity. No, we will not be fooled. That dubious crown is held by capitalism.

Bifwoli:
Socialism has failed badly in Cuba.Tanzania and Venezuela.China ,Vietnam and a few other formerly socialist states have succeeded partly by implementing capitalist ideas.So come again please?

Cuba made a vaccine with a high efficiency rate. They have similar life expectancy to the richest country in the world. High literacy rate. Lower infant mortality than America. All these despite being banned from trading with the outside world. But sure communism has failed cuba lol. Cubans are living better than Nigerians . I won’t even bother commenting the rest cause sense hasn’t reached you