Hueman:


China and Vietnam are ran by socialist trying to achieve full communism. These things takes time to achieve. Because....

1) Vietnam and China are victims of colonialism and imperialism so they are still working hard to improve the standards of living for their citizens. It’s not easy especially when your population is high. Comparing these countries to western standards is very unfair because the west built its wealth from colonialism, imperialism, slavery,etc....

2) you need to learn what these countries were like before they attempted communism. China was a poor feudal society. Their economy grew a lot under MAO so saying communism never benefited them is very hilarious. Plus you ignore how the fall of the ussr negativity affected every communist countries. They couldn’t trade with other capitalist countries because of Cold War infighting and hostility. Due to this every communist country was dependent on the USSR, the fall of the ussr forced countries like China and Vietnam to liberalize their economy so they can access foreign capital and use it to benefit them. Remember these former colonized countries barely had capital or good human capital because the whole country was held back by colonialism and imperialism. So opening up their economy was logical for them.

Look at how these countries handled the pandemic compared to capitalist countries like India, Brazil, America, France. China and Vietnam did the logical thing of pausing rent and mortgage payments and bringing their economy to a stop. That’s what happened when your country is ran by a bunch of socialist. India not doing caused a huge spike in the spread of this disease and it costed many life’s.


Mr man pls take a book and read instead of speaking confidently on things you don’t know.

It is tiresome arguing with a person who speaks from both sides of the mouth.

I stated it clearly in my first post that China only began to bloom when it embraced elements of capitalism. Now you are saying basically the same thing.

Economic growth under Mao averaged 4% or thereabout. Do you want to compare that with the effects and growth it experienced after liberalizing the economy, joining the WTO and embracing capitalism more than before? Now the economy is almost overheating.
Same goes for Vietnam which was a mere backwater until it also started veering towards capitalism.

You need to read about Mao's failures and the many deaths that came from his handling of the Chinese affairs. If communism was so hot why didn't the USSR and even China stick wholly to it?

Oga, stop telling us ignorant nonsense here. The world knows better now.

Communism in its original form is dead and buried. If you like, get on the next plane to north Korea. It's your funeral.

Hueman:


Nigeria is even rich than Cuba but Cuba was able to create their own vaccines for this pandemic. By the way Cuba is sanctioned by America, due to this they cannot trade with the rest of the world. Despite that they already created their own vaccines. What does that say about Nigeria ?? Mr.Man stop defending nonsense. Capitalism is holding Nigeria back.

Madagascar with a GDP capita of $600 also produced its own covid vaccine. I guess that makes it better than Singapore which didn't.
Oga, take your ignorant dead and buried communist nonsense out of here jare.

Abohboy:


Mao didn't do shit China's economy started growing fast under Deng Xiaoping who introduced the socialist market economy that allowed China to industrialize rapidly.

The guy is so flagrantly ignorant.
How can a learned person praise Mao who the whole world knows as the world's biggest mass murderer due to his bad leadership?

rvp2018:
I think there is something that people do not realize - Asians are not pre-industrial countries like Africa - they already had some manufacturing or industrial history - albeit not as successfully as say Europe.

In any case - what would be China gov in that shoe factory?

My view is simple - gov should concentrate on basic infrastructure, ensure there is security, ensure there is proper social investment on the kids and the poor, ensure they are playing fair regulator and umpire in the private sector space.

It should reduce red-tape, ensure macro-economics are solid (low taxation, fiscal, monetary policy that are stable), it should lay the red carpet for foreign investors, and that is it.

When it come to enterprises - gov should refuse to engage - just like communism has shown - gov just cannot succeed in private sector - or for profit sector.

Gov if it has excess taxes - after doing basic infrastructure - should invest in complimentary infrastructure - light rails, airports - name it.

or focus on informal sector in Africa - this where most enterprise exist in - and they are not private sector - gov should ensure these informal sectors are organized, regulated and formalized through cooperative model for example - and they become as competitive as any of the private sector.

I still find it difficult to be on the bandwagon that supports the idea that government should not get involved in business.

Government can go into partnership with the private sector, especially banks, to set up corporations or SME where the government will have no hand in the day to day running of the businesses. Banks are good at running businesses and generating money and employment.

Take for example, there is a farm settlement in Ibadan set up in the 50s by Obafemi Awolowo, the premier of the defunct Western region.
It had a cattle ranch and facilities for poultry business and other things. Now it is totally abandoned.

Meanwhile the state governor is currently spending $75 million ( over 20 billion dollars) putting up street lights in the state. A tenth of that money would turn around the farm settlement and the entire agricultural production of the state.

I did my calculation, half of that money would put up at least 1000 low income new flats for the citizens. This would not only beautify the state, it would be an everlasting source of income for the state and help ease the housing deficit a little.

chrisooblog:
but what is really working? take Yorubas as an example. Different nation states attacking and killing each other. Selling fellow 'omo oduduwa' into slavery. We were a society that didn't really encourage some much innovation but elevated and encouraged superstition over enlightenment.

Don't get me wrong every society had their norms and spiritual beliefs but some how they were able to co-exist with development and scientific progress in their various societies.

Until the early part of last century saponna was still worshipped before the 'imperilist' brought vaccines that helped us eliminate smallpox from our environment.

One good thing the Chinese and Indians have been to do is understand what works globally be it economic and technological systems and integrating such into the realities of our cultures and societies.

Can you please show me any imperialist country that didn’t kill each other?

What is the difference between the tribal wars the imperialist fought and the one Yoruba fought?

It’s very simple. It was for the unification of their various tribes into single Ethnic nation.

Oyo and Ibadan wanted to unify the whole country under one rule. This was the phase the imperialist went through and at the end became powerful.

Please, read history books to learn about the unification of ethnic groups across the world.

Who told you there was no innovation? Do you know the cloths, the weapons, the military formations, the art, shoes, boats, communicate system, architecture, system of government etc were all as a result of indigenous African innovations?

I am not saying all Africans were innovative but it doesn’t change the fact that some parts of Nigeria were innovative before the imperialist invasion.

Didn’t they invade China? So China was not innovative?

If you are talking about industrial revolution, it didn’t happen until the British initiated just few few centuries before invasion.

And please, don’t let me believe superstition is only in Africa. That’s a pure lie.

Did Christianity begin in England, France and those imperialist countries? Capital No

So what did they believe and worship? Was it different from Shango and Ayilala?

Science existed in Africa long before the imperialist came to her shores.

They stoled it and improved on it.

What stops us from doing same at our own space, way of government and ideas?

Abohboy:


What evil? As long as you don't say religion i'm good

religion is actually very dangerous

Abohboy:


Now you've pissed me off wdym by witchcraft and voodoo all western words and points of view what do you even understand of our traditional religions.

I really hate it when Africans themselves call our beliefs "witchcraft"

in my opinion
they just need upgrading
they just need to remove some killing and anti people activities

forgiveness:


Can you please show me any imperialist country that didn’t kill each other?

What is the difference between the tribal wars the imperialist fought and the one Yoruba fought?

It’s very simple. It was for the unification of their various tribes. Oyo and Ibadan wanted to unify the whole country under one rule. This was the phase the imperialist went through and at the end became powerful.

Please, read history books to learn about the unification of ethnic groups across the world.

Who told you there was no innovation? Do you know the cloths, the weapons, the military formations, the art, shoes, boats, communicate system, architecture etc were all as a result of indigenous African innovations?

I am not saying all Africans were innovative but it doesn’t change the fact that some parts of Nigeria were innovative before the imperialist invasion.

Didn’t they invade China? So China was not innovative?

If you are talking about industrial revolution, it didn’t happen until the British initiated just few few centuries before invasion.

And please, don’t let me believe superstition is only in Africa. That’s a pure lie.

Did Christianity begin in England, France and those imperialist countries? Capital No

So what did they believe and worship? Was it different from Shango and Ayilala?

Science existed in Africa long before the imperialist came to her shores.

They stoled it and improved on it.

What stops us from doing same at our own space, way of government and ideas?

I like this. It would have been more to Africa's advantage if the Europeans had merely traded with us rather than the encouraging slavery and the slave trade and later following it up with colonialism.

That way our development would have been a mixture of our own native civilization and borrowed civilization from them.

Hueman:


This is such an ignorant statement chaiii I don’t even know where to start. China is where it is now *because* of the work of hundreds of millions of communists, very much including Mao, Deng, Hu, and XiZ. The Great Northern famine killed millions, not Mao. The problem of famine was in fact ended during the Maoist period.

I hope it is obvious, but whenever you criticize a country -- particularly when you use terms like ‘evil’, ‘monster’, and ‘genocide’ --- you are implicitly arguing that your own country does not do the same or worse. Since the USSR/China is accused of killing millions of people, the default assumption then is that the US, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, and the other countries which make up the imperialist powers of the world have killed zero people. It’s even funny because these people practiced capitalism to do it but you’ve convinced yourself that capitalism is a good system. The list of deaths goes on and on, of course, as anyone in the global south knows all too well. Analyzing societies is complex, nuanced work. It requires that we recognize the many contradictions that all societies have, and that the modern nation-state is built on blood, full stop. Yet what do we make of those attempts to marshal the vast power of the state to ends that genuinely meet peoples’ needs? What do we make of that? The bourgeoisie regards it as one of the great evils of history, and on this basis alone we should study it. But then we come to find that apart from the lies told about socialism, it has a record of actually delivering what it has promised: rapid industrialization and economic growth, and an economy that is structured for the needs of the average person. (while recognizing that the capitalist powers and the global marketplace put limits on the power of any state). How do we know that peoples’ lives were better under socialism? Well we could look at literally any measure of human well-being that social science has. All of them, from caloric intake, to life expectancy, to infant mortality, to literacy, to absolute poverty, etc show. the successes of structuring society so that it meets human needs rather than capitalism, which is based on what most effectively puts society’s wealth in the hands of the few. Oga, the bourgeoisie has tried to fool us into thinking that socialism is the great killer and oppressor of humanity. No, we will not be fooled. That dubious crown is held by capitalism.

What economic changes did Mao do that made China's economy boom? Go and read about when China really started growing and industries were flooding in it started under Deng with his massive economic reforms hr is the father of modern China's infrastructure

obaaderemi:
It is tiresome arguing with a person who speaks from both sides of the mouth.

I stated it clearly in my first post that China only began to bloom when it embraced elements of capitalism. Now you are saying basically the same thing.

Economic growth under Mao averaged 4% or thereabout. Do you want to compare that with the effects and growth it experienced after liberalizing the economy, joining the WTO and embracing capitalism more than before? Now the economy is almost overheating.
Same goes for Vietnam which was a mere backwater until it also started veering towards capitalism.

You need to read about Mao's failures and the many deaths that came from his handling of the Chinese affairs. If communism was so hot why didn't the USSR and even China stick wholly to it?

Oga, stop telling us ignorant nonsense here. The world knows better now.

Communism in its original form is dead and buried. If you like, get on the next plane to north Korea. It's your funeral.

Exactly it was the Socialist with capitalist tendencies policy that allowed Chian to get where it is but concerning communism some could argue that you need loads and loads of wealth in order to start communism in full it is a stage by stage process first capitalism then social democracy then socialist market economy then socialism then a sort of state capitalism then communism but these stages would take at least 140 years too achieve and trillions of dollars in wealth the USSR struggled because they didn't have the wealth to maintain it so it will be interesting to see when China attempts to do it as the world's largest economy and tens of trillions of dollars in wealth

Hueman:



Cuba made a vaccine with a high efficiency rate. They have similar life expectancy to the richest country in the world. High literacy rate. Lower infant mortality than America. All these despite being banned from trading with the outside world. But sure communism has failed cuba lol. Cubans are living better than Nigerians . I won’t even bother commenting the rest cause sense hasn’t reached you

Nobody is buying Cuba's vaccine though if it was so good other countries would be trying to buy it, no?

Excerpts from a post by MOP

A thorough re-investment of resources, targeted at revamping the educational sector in terms of infrastructure, syllabus/curriculum restruture and human capital development, is undeniably central to the decolonization of our minds, and our educational system.

A plan for the indigenization of our courses and subjects, in both language and content has to be put in place... towards making sure that students at all levels are not being schooled or trained to possess skills that are not really relevant to the developmental demands of the society they live in. Our education must begin to feature more constantly, those procedures and technicalities that advance the cultural and native ethos that once made us self sufficient and independent - in our thinking and consequentially, in the systems we develop.

There's is this Nigerian song that has blow up on the internet by ckay. Love nwantiti.
A morrocan guy made a refix, he was not featured. The song has blow up and now when people search the song, both of them pop up, the orginal and the Moroccan.
The original by ckay is at 29million views while the Moroccan is at 30million.

Random thought just popped up in my head to confirm what I had been suspecting for a very long time: that I am wicked.

If I was ckay I would have reported the Moroccan along time ago lol.

Hueman:



Cuba made a vaccine with a high efficiency rate. They have similar life expectancy to the richest country in the world. High literacy rate. Lower infant mortality than America. All these despite being banned from trading with the outside world. But sure communism has failed cuba lol. Cubans are living better than Nigerians . I won’t even bother commenting the rest cause sense hasn’t reached you

Cuba are living better than Nigerians, yet there's a huge protest against the government for hardships and poverty, stop doing your political campaign here.

PROVERBZ:
There's is this Nigerian song that has blow up on the internet by ckay. Love nwantiti.
A morrocan guy made a refix, he was not featured. The song has blow up and now when people search the song, both of them pop up, the orginal and the Moroccan.
The original by ckay is at 29million views while the Moroccan is at 30million.

Random thought just popped up in my head to confirm what I had been suspecting for a very long time: that I am wicked.

If I was ckay I would have reported the Moroccan along time ago lol.

Even I would do that surely he can just copyright strike him on Youtube it's really easy to do it and 30 million views is not small money

Edited

Never mind he's still on the remix with the Moroccan so it's perfectly fine and even the one with 25 million views is a remix the original only has 4 million views so he knew what he was doing with all the remixes

Roan77:


Cuba are living better than Nigerians, yet there's a huge protest against the government for hardships and poverty, stop doing your political campaign here.

Cubans are living better than Nigerians is the greates lie ever told.

There is this you tube video about life in cuba I'm not sure I can still find it but if I will I will post it.

PROVERBZ:
Cubans are living better than Nigerians is the greates lie ever told.

There is this you tube video about life in cuba I'm not sure I can still find it but if I will I will post it.

Don't mind that guy, he want to use it political agenda to sell his lies.

Roan77:


Don't mind that guy, he want to use it political agenda to sell his lies.

There's no political agenda he just believes in communism

Abohboy:


Till the people wake up and end mediority we will never progress

So when do you think gonna happen ?

obaaderemi:
And we fight one another for them.

Even on ths distinguished thread