₦airaland Forum

rvp2018:
Precisely. There is the tendency to deny all the good the coloniliasm brought and only talk about the evil. This is why African never learnt anything. We should have learnt the good and great things European brought - as we did away with the evil. Countries that look at this soberly even invited some European to stay around with their expertise's. Even now countries should not shy away to ask for technical assistance from advanced countries - be they Chinese or Whites.

Africa may not have been as scientifically and economically sophisticated as the invading colonists, but they had their own systems of administration, cultural traditions, and faiths, as well as socio-political stability and peace to a significant extent.
Perhaps if the Europeans had not invaded Africa, the term undeveloped would have not existed since there would have been no country or continent to compare Africa to, and Africans would have just continued to spend their lives in contentment and isolation.

On the other hand, does this indicate that the European invasion and colonialism had no value for Africa? The question is whether Africans did not acquire something on which to rebuild after independence, regardless of everything they went through and lost during the colonial era.

People should just stop blaming white man for robbing Africa bare, claiming they are the source of Africa's current lack of development. They have so far placed less focus on what and why Africans have failed to achieve after independence, which I believe is partially due to the African folk's cultural and behavioral issues.

rvp2018:
We actually boycotted twice - but generally we allowed some Boers to trade. There was already a huge Boer community in kenya pleading for other Boers. These are the Boers who had trekked north after losing the Anglo-Boer war to British in South Africa - and established Eldoret town. Kenya was therefore one of the few Pro-Boer Africa country although we abided by AU resolutions.

Boer = in Kenya is called Kaburu.

Kenya boycotted the Olympics in 1976 and 1980. In 1976 Kenya joined other African nations who boycotted the Olympics to protest New Zealand's sporting links with apartheid South Africa. In 1980, Kenya acquiesced to pressure from the United States and boycotted the Olympics to protest the invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR

So we did heh .. an the southy guy cant appreciate that..

Abohboy:
Mao didn't do shit China's economy started growing fast under Deng Xiaoping who introduced the socialist market economy that allowed China to industrialize rapidly.

True..can't talk of china's economic progress without mentioning deng

theTranscriber:
even Benin Republic tried communism


communism is only utopian on paper

it's very dangerous

Who is this 1344fpur cancelling your quotes always? Is it your bot?

Abohboy:
There's no political agenda he just believes in communism

And so do you believe Cubans lives a better life than Nigerians?

rvp2018:
Kenya tea main consumers are Arabs, Pakistanis, Afgans...England is not even 10 percent. Learn to diversify your economy

For real are we selling most of our tea to crazies Those Talibans better pay us or ....

mtisTheQubit:
So when do you think gonna happen ?

IMO should happen anywhere between 2030-2050 and if it doesn't happen within that time then there's no hope.

Roan77:
And so do you believe Cubans lives a better life than Nigerians?

Technically it is they have better infrastructure, healthcare and education then Nigeria but at the same time in terms of food supply it isn't as good as in Nigerai but then Nigeria has this whole violence problem so it's difficult to come to a conclusion

mtisTheQubit:
Africa may not have been as scientifically and economically sophisticated as the invading colonists, but they had their own systems of administration, cultural traditions, and faiths, as well as socio-political stability and peace to a significant extent.
Perhaps if the Europeans had not invaded Africa, the term undeveloped would have not existed since there would have been no country or continent to compare Africa to, and Africans would have just continued to spend their lives in contentment and isolation.

On the other hand, does this indicate that the European invasion and colonialism had no value for Africa? The question is whether Africans did not acquire something on which to rebuild after independence, regardless of everything they went through and lost during the colonial era.

People should just stop blaming white man for robbing Africa bare, claiming they are the source of Africa's current lack of development. They have so far placed less focus on what and why Africans have failed to achieve after independence, which I believe is partially due to the African folk's cultural and behavioral issues.

Africa would have achieved it's own industrial revolution had the Europeans not come and the eventual colonization was detrimental on African sciences and innovations because they were quickly replaced by European inventions miles ahead of them so there was no interest in local and indigenous innovation and you cannot deny that Europe has a detrimental factor on Africa especially France they hold the foreign reserves and control the economies of over a dozen African countries and they are able to get resources at a subsidized price from these countries because they help to keep the dictators in power so in return they get free resources like diamonds, uranium and oil apart from that they've also supported several horrible coups on righteous leaders the two greatest example being Sankara and Lumumba but the truth is they only account for 40% of our problems the rest of them are completely indigenous and do not as you wrongly said stem from our cultural or religious beliefs much to the contrary most Africans practice Abrahamic religions and their cultural views are western so majority of Africa's problems if you want to look at it culturally is born from a western point of view but we don't blame them or our culture for bad leadership who we should blame is ourselves for not voting in the right people or not fighting back against the wrong leaders.

obaaderemi:
The guy is so flagrantly ignorant.
How can a learned person praise Mao who the whole world knows as the world's biggest mass murderer due to his bad leadership?

Mao did everything for his country and people...

The whole world didn't like him because they viewed him as a revolutionist who stop their endless raping of China

mtisTheQubit:
So we did heh .. an the southy guy cant appreciate that..

Appreciate what?

You deprived your athletes medals, at least you could have won a marathon gold others were never gonna win anything

Abohboy:
Technically it is they have better infrastructure, healthcare and education then Nigeria but at the same time in terms of food supply it isn't as good as in Nigerai but then Nigeria has this whole violence problem so it's difficult to come to a conclusion

in a nutshell, Cuba is doing way better than Nigeria and so many africa countries. Ghana and kenya inclusive.

The healthcare sector alone spells it out, anyway that is not the only sector we should focused.

rvp2018:
Precisely. There is the tendency to deny all the good the coloniliasm brought and only talk about the evil. This is why African never learnt anything. We should have learnt the good and great things European brought - as we did away with the evil. Countries that look at this soberly even invited some European to stay around with their expertise's. Even now countries should not shy away to ask for technical assistance from advanced countries - be they Chinese or Whites.

Nothing has really benefit africa as human from the west( because we already have what you may term as the benefit), I said nothing. Maybe trading with us would have been the benefit but they sabotage it with their religious dogma and slavery. What you have is simply On the contrary. You have a very naive understanding, probably from watching too many Hollywood films and reading too many western sponsored literature.

Africa's map by population 2018


https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/population-cartogram_africa.png

theInterpreter:
Africa's map by population 2018


https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/population-cartogram_africa.png

Kenya 51 million

rvp2018

Charlee Mao was bad news. Just because the west hated him doesn't equally mean he wasn't a bad leader too. Him, Stalin and Hitler are in the same whatsapp group of horrible despots whose apologists will try to make excuses for saying "they developed their country''

Ho Chi Minh before his death definitely didn't kill his fellow North Vietnamese to show he could develop his country.

Just30:
Mao did everything for his country and people...

The whole world didn't like him because they viewed him as a revolutionist who stop their endless raping of China

vaxx:
in a nutshell, Cuba is doing way better than Nigeria and so many africa countries. Ghana and kenya inclusive.

The healthcare sector alone spells it out, anyway that is not the only sector we should focused.

And what made Ghana and Kenya better than Cuba?

rvp2018:
Import substitution was tried all over Africa in 1960s - the same period Kwame was on it - they are all failed. South Asian tigers refused to heed such advice and went for export led manufacturing - and they succeeded.

Kwame communism led to Ghana economic collapse and his subsequent overthrow. The rest are just attempt to rewrite history. Kwame was an epic failure in managing Ghana economy.

Indeed, Ghana experienced reasonably high growth soon thereafter, but by 1965 per capita growth was already negative, and when the coup d’état overthrew the Nkrumah regime in February 1966, per capita income was below its value at the time of independence

I have been reading much of your nonsense on inkrumah, but I am less interested to reply, but it seems this is too myopic to just ignore.see patently amaturish write-up like this, I refuse to respond to them but this one is so shallow, I could not help myself.

You are entitled to your flaws ,but you cannot corrupt history with bogus interpretation of historical facts.inkrumah was overthrown by CIA terrorist clique. This allies of racist colonizers and imperialists hate political and economic freedom of Ghanaians as it was getting stronger by then. Ghana was already moving with the big boys (non aligned nations) india indonisia and the rest . by then kenya and almost africa nations are just a British political stooge. All nations developed all necessary model at their feet for economic independence and build wealth out of their endowed natural and human resources not necessarily western philosophy. Singapore is a success case and likewise present day united arab emirates .

The Education and healthcare policies under inkrumah then were far ahead of the UN mandated Mellenium Goals to make Ghana a leader in Africa. Inkrumah was so important that he was even appointed a co-president of Guinea.You ignorant, Ghana systems by then was already forcing mali, Guinea and far away congo to form a confederation country with Ghana. The critics of Nkrumah are MORONS and mentally retarded. The fact that inkrumah's history and achievements are still stellar today makes a good case;he is vindicated.

Roan77:
And what made Ghana and Kenya better than Cuba?

Cuba is doing way better.i never say otherwise

Honestly this part right here in bold is what exasperates me most about majority of Nigerian politicians. They never put on their thinking cap to spend money where they will get a sustainable amount of money going into the nearest future no it's to be blowing most times borrowed money on vanity projects so they will say ''I'm performing''

Oyo is sitting on a potential gold mine with the added advantage of a rail that now goes straight to Lagos ports. Hope the Governor realizes before it's too late.

obaaderemi:
I still find it difficult to be on the bandwagon that supports the idea that government should not get involved in business.

Government can go into partnership with the private sector, especially banks, to set up corporations or SME where the government will have no hand in the day to day running of the businesses. Banks are good at running businesses and generating money and employment.

Take for example, there is a farm settlement in Ibadan set up in the 50s by Obafemi Awolowo, the premier of the defunct Western region.
It had a cattle ranch and facilities for poultry business and other things. Now it is totally abandoned.

Meanwhile the state governor is currently spending $75 million ( over 20 billion dollars) putting up street lights in the state. A tenth of that money would turn around the farm settlement and the entire agricultural production of the state.

I did my calculation, half of that money would put up at least 1000 low income new flats for the citizens. This would not only beautify the state, it would be an everlasting source of income for the state and help ease the housing deficit a little.

obaaderemi:
I like this. It would have been more to Africa's advantage if the Europeans had merely traded with us rather than the encouraging slavery and the slave trade and later following it up with colonialism.

That way our development would have been a mixture of our own native civilization and borrowed civilization from them.

You are right on point. The European will aim was to exploit the hidden treasures in Africa.

It’s as simple as that.

rvp2018:
We actually boycotted twice - but generally we allowed some Boers to trade. There was already a huge Boer community in kenya pleading for other Boers. These are the Boers who had trekked north after losing the Anglo-Boer war to British in South Africa - and established Eldoret town. Kenya was therefore one of the few Pro-Boer Africa country although we abided by AU resolutions.

Boer = in Kenya is called Kaburu.

Kenya boycotted the Olympics in 1976 and 1980. In 1976 Kenya joined other African nations who boycotted the Olympics to protest New Zealand's sporting links with apartheid South Africa. In 1980, Kenya acquiesced to pressure from the United States and boycotted the Olympics to protest the invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR

reminds me of the Boers of Patagonia.....A small village of 300 or so Argentinian Boers who till this day speak Afrikaans and live by Boer ideals.

There was even a documentary about them:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h39nq0KqHs&t=100s

mtisTheQubit:
Africa may not have been as scientifically and economically sophisticated as the invading colonists, but they had their own systems of administration, cultural traditions, and faiths, as well as socio-political stability and peace to a significant extent.
Perhaps if the Europeans had not invaded Africa, the term undeveloped would have not existed since there would have been no country or continent to compare Africa to, and Africans would have just continued to spend their lives in contentment and isolation.

On the other hand, does this indicate that the European invasion and colonialism had no value for Africa? The question is whether Africans did not acquire something on which to rebuild after independence, regardless of everything they went through and lost during the colonial era.

People should just stop blaming white man for robbing Africa bare, claiming they are the source of Africa's current lack of development. They have so far placed less focus on what and why Africans have failed to achieve after independence, which I believe is partially due to the African folk's cultural and behavioral issues.

Ethiopia has never been colonised..........

mtisTheQubit:
Africa may not have been as scientifically and economically sophisticated as the invading colonists, but they had their own systems of administration, cultural traditions, and faiths, as well as socio-political stability and peace to a significant extent.
Perhaps if the Europeans had not invaded Africa, the term undeveloped would have not existed since there would have been no country or continent to compare Africa to, and Africans would have just continued to spend their lives in contentment and isolation.

On the other hand, does this indicate that the European invasion and colonialism had no value for Africa? The question is whether Africans did not acquire something on which to rebuild after independence, regardless of everything they went through and lost during the colonial era.

People should just stop blaming white man for robbing Africa bare, claiming they are the source of Africa's current lack of development. They have so far placed less focus on what and why Africans have failed to achieve after independence, which I believe is partially due to the African folk's cultural and behavioral issues.

No doubt Africa gained from these colonialists but they are behind Africa’s current lack of development.

Why? The instability in Africa is as the result of these colonialists indirect interference and sponsorship of coups. That’s much I can say.

jl115:
Ethiopia has never been colonised..........

They were for a brief period in the 1900s and stop acting like foreign backed coup and destabalization efforts haven't been used against African countries.

Roan77:
Cuba are living better than Nigerians, yet there's a huge protest against the government for hardships and poverty, stop doing your political campaign here.

I don’t think you even live in Nigeria so I’ll leave ur delusions to yourself.

Their government literally invented a vaccine for this pandemic. This isn’t something France or Spain have done. And you ur ass thinks Nigeria is better than Cuba. U be mumu. U probably didn’t even grow up in this country. Cause no Nigerian would be defending nonsense like this

Abohboy:
Nobody is buying Cuba's vaccine though if it was so good other countries would be trying to buy it, no?

Were is Nigeria’s vaccine Were is an African made vaccines. They can’t even distribute their vaccines because of sanctions. This is something many socialist countries deal with because the west wants to convince everyone that communism is bad.

Abohboy:
They were for a brief period in the 1900s and stop acting like foreign backed coup and destabalization efforts haven't been used against African countries.

it is called occupation. Ethiopia was occupied by Italian. Even till date, so many part of ethiopia still have italian names .

Abohboy:
What economic changes did Mao do that made China's economy boom? Go and read about when China really started growing and industries were flooding in it started under Deng with his massive economic reforms hr is the father of modern China's infrastructure

If China’s economy didn’t grow under MAO how come life expectancy increased significantly? Come on let’s think dialectically instead of being idealistic. Mao job was to remove traitors and opportunist from China. If Nigeria ever attempts socialism we will literally have a cultural revolution because we need to get rid of our corrupt political system and start over again. There are so many idiots willing to Uphold the status quo of this country. Our police don’t even benefit from Nigeria but see how they attack protesters fighting for their own rights. You really think re-changing a society is that easy. So no you’re wrong. MAO is the father of China. Chinese people still pay respects to him.

Abohboy:
They were for a brief period in the 1900s and stop acting like foreign backed coup and destabalization efforts haven't been used against African countries.

nope.... They have never been colonised.... Don't destort history to suit your own narrative

Hueman:
If China’s economy didn’t grow under MAO how come life expectancy increased significantly? Come on let’s think dialectically instead of being idealistic. Mao job was to remove traitors and opportunist from China. If Nigeria ever attempts socialism we will literally have a cultural revolution because we need to get rid of our corrupt political system and start over again. There are so many idiots willing to Uphold the status quo of this country. Our police don’t even benefit from Nigeria but see how they attack protesters fighting for their own rights. You really think re-changing a society is that easy. So no you’re wrong. MAO is the father of China. Chinese people still pay respects to him.

we can try every bit of economic and political success. We can combine discipline and democracy, so many countries are doing it . Every bit of success is applicable. Uk is running a capitalist and socialism economy. "mixed economy".

obaaderemi:
Madagascar with a GDP capita of $600 also produced its own covid vaccine. I guess that makes it better than Singapore which didn't.
Oga, take your ignorant dead and buried communist nonsense out of here jare.

Here is a source about Cuba’s homegrown vaccines.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/cuba-says-second-covid-vaccine-soberana-2-boasts-912-efficacy-2021-07-09/

I love how you made that up about Madagascar. U be mumu. Instead of humbling yourself and admitting your mistakes you want to stand strong on your delusions. I’ll radicalize this communism thing in you so that you’ll start doing communist evangelism in yaba market.