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chrisooblog:
Charlee Mao was bad news. Just because the west hated him doesn't equally mean he wasn't a bad leader too. Him, Stalin and Hitler are in the same whatsapp group of horrible despots whose apologists will try to make excuses for saying "they developed their country''

Ho Chi Minh before his death definitely didn't kill his fellow North Vietnamese to show he could develop his country.

To conquer requires bloodshed

You have to eliminate traitors who will do everything to benefit from foreigners looting the land.

Mao established China as a uniformed society that thinks about the collective good... While Mao Agrarian policy and the shift from agrarian economy to an industrial economy led to an initial farming, it was highly successful.

Establishing a nation is not a joke and there is no nation under this sun that was fully established without bloodshed and repressions....

vaxx:
we can try every bit of economic and political success. We can combine discipline and democracy, so many countries are doing it . Every bit of success is applicable. Uk is running a capitalist and socialism economy. "mixed economy".

There’s no such thing as a mixed economy when the whole argument for socialism/communism is that workers must own the means of production. That has never happened in a “mix economy” What you describe is capitalism with a strong welfare. Karl Marx did not write that book just for us to have welfare. Lol. And no being like uk is unrealistic, they literally made their wealth from colonialism. Learn from China.

Exactly

If you dont remove traitors, you will never succeed

Hueman:
If China’s economy didn’t grow under MAO how come life expectancy increased significantly? Come on let’s think dialectically instead of being idealistic. Mao job was to remove traitors and opportunist from China. If Nigeria ever attempts socialism we will literally have a cultural revolution because we need to get rid of our corrupt political system and start over again. There are so many idiots willing to Uphold the status quo of this country. Our police don’t even benefit from Nigeria but see how they attack protesters fighting for their own rights. You really think re-changing a society is that easy. So no you’re wrong. MAO is the father of China. Chinese people still pay respects to him.

Hueman:
There’s no such thing as a mixed economy when the whole argument for socialism/communism is that workers must own the means of production. That has never happened in a “mix economy” What you describe is capitalism with a strong welfare. Karl Marx did not write that book just for us to have welfare. Lol. And no being like uk is unrealistic, they literally made their wealth from colonialism. Learn from China.

I don't know the Bleep you are typing about. Inkrumah was doing three in one , Communism, socialism and what he term inkrumnaism. All sort of ""sims"" A look at "kwame nkrumah ideological institute"will exposed you to a better understanding. It is an ideology you can find online .


Something of such was also embedded in mauhammar Gaddafi "Green book""

obaaderemi:
It is tiresome arguing with a person who speaks from both sides of the mouth.

I stated it clearly in my first post that China only began to bloom when it embraced elements of capitalism. Now you are saying basically the same thing.

Economic growth under Mao averaged 4% or thereabout. Do you want to compare that with the effects and growth it experienced after liberalizing the economy, joining the WTO and embracing capitalism more than before? Now the economy is almost overheating.
Same goes for Vietnam which was a mere backwater until it also started veering towards capitalism.

You need to read about Mao's failures and the many deaths that came from his handling of the Chinese affairs. If communism was so hot why didn't the USSR and even China stick wholly to it?

Oga, stop telling us ignorant nonsense here. The world knows better now.

Communism in its original form is dead and buried. If you like, get on the next plane to north Korea. It's your funeral.

Why isn’t Nigeria improving under capitalism then if the answer is so black and white?? We embrace capitalism, what is it doing for us. Shell is destroying the Niger delta because of capitalism. That’s what happens when you “liberalize” your economy u oloshi. But sure Nigeria is practicing the same system as China. China is building productive force for their society they’re not abandoning communism. You ignore how many formerly colonized countries had to start over and compete with the west. It’s only the ussr and China that has accomplished so much that it threatens western hegemony but you still want to downplay China because you’re stupid.

The Chinese literally call their system socialism with Chinese characteristics and you think they are practicing capitalism. It’s better to leave you foolish goats in the dark.

vaxx:
I don't know the Bleep you are typing about. Inkrumah was doing three in one , Communism, socialism and what he term inkrumnaism. All sort of ""sims"" A look at "kwame nkrumah ideological institute"will exposed you to a better understanding. It is an ideology you can find online .


Something of such was also embedded in mauhammar Gaddafi "Green book""

Nkrumah achieved a classless , moneyless, and stateless society in 4 years abi.

Just30:
Exactly

If you dont remove traitors, you will never succeed

That’s what Africa needs to do. When you see things this way you’ll understand why communist state have to be authoritarian. The west complaining about “human rights violations “ and “ lack of democracy” from communism is just projection at this point.

Hueman:
If China’s economy didn’t grow under MAO how come life expectancy increased significantly? Come on let’s think dialectically instead of being idealistic. Mao job was to remove traitors and opportunist from China. If Nigeria ever attempts socialism we will literally have a cultural revolution because we need to get rid of our corrupt political system and start over again. There are so many idiots willing to Uphold the status quo of this country. Our police don’t even benefit from Nigeria but see how they attack protesters fighting for their own rights. You really think re-changing a society is that easy. So no you’re wrong. MAO is the father of China. Chinese people still pay respects to him.

Is Nigeria's economy growing currently? No not really but guess what our life expectancy is still increasing so by your logic people will be able to praise all Nigerian leaders from 1960 till present because our life expectancy has increased consistently? Mao did not help that much he initiated socialism and started a cultural revolution but apart from that explain how he actually helped develop the economy the China of advanced technology, grand infrastructure and extreme manufacturing is the child of Deng Xiaoping and his massive economic reforms why do you praise Mao so dearly but not praise Deng as much?

vaxx:
I don't know the Bleep you are typing about. Inkrumah was doing three in one , Communism, socialism and what he term inkrumnaism. All sort of ""sims"" A look at "kwame nkrumah ideological institute"will exposed you to a better understanding. It is an ideology you can find online .


Something of such was also embedded in mauhammar Gaddafi "Green book""

He wasn't practicing communism and nkrumahism is a form of African socialism same way China have socialism with Chinese characteristics that is exactly what Nkrumahism he was trying to do the same thing as what China was doing before China did it.

Hueman:
Nkrumah achieved a classless , moneyless, and stateless society in 4 years abi.

no country has such on earth, ali baba owner is known as the richest business man in china.

Well ,inkrumah was the first person in africa to organize the workers and peasants in a mass movement for independence. That is a socialist outlook, he built dams( largest mam made in africa , founded nuclear energy for a nation that is not up to 10 million as at then) that is industrialization, Ghana was far thinking ahead of her peers by then. Most of what Ghana today benefit are thru his combine policy.

All the Western nations that have been complaining, they all did similar stuff

In the US, you can talk about how the native Americans were subjugated, the culture revolution and so many dirty secrets.

In Europe, you can talk about the Protestant-Catholic30 years religious war killed 10 million alone
You can add their various class struggles

Hueman:
That’s what Africa needs to do. When you see things this way you’ll understand why communist state have to be authoritarian. The west complaining about “human rights violations “ and “ lack of democracy” from communism is just projection at this point.

Hueman:
Were is Nigeria’s vaccine Were is an African made vaccines. They can’t even distribute their vaccines because of sanctions. This is something many socialist countries deal with because the west wants to convince everyone that communism is bad.

China and Russia aren't affected Nigeria has bought both their vaccines imo the Cuban vaccine isn't properly tested or even safe for international use yet, but their system is much better then the ones in Africa outside of South Africa because South Africa is producing vaccines and so would India if the west wasn't the west.

Just30:
All the Western nations that have been complaining, they all did similar stuff

In the US, you can talk about how the native Americans were subjugated, the culture revolution and so many dirty secrets.

In Europe, you can talk about the Protestant-Catholic30 years religious war killed 10 million alone
You can add their various class struggles

Those countries exist to make us poor because of capitalism. That’s why we need to create a movement based on class struggles so we can get something done. We aren’t Congo where everyone is stealing their cobalt. Our oil is running out. So this is the perfect time to fight back.

vaxx:
we can try every bit of economic and political success. We can combine discipline and democracy, so many countries are doing it . Every bit of success is applicable. Uk is running a capitalist and socialism economy. "mixed economy".

UK isn't socialist one bit and the citizens are against it there are parties trying to bring in socialism to the UK but they've been rejected and ignored by the populace because they don't believe in socialism.

Abohboy:
He wasn't practicing communism and nkrumahism is a form of African socialism same way China have socialism with Chinese characteristics that is exactly what Nkrumahism he was trying to do the same thing as what China was doing before China did it.

nkruamah first put Ghana among the league of common wealth which comprises china and Russia as at then. Infact nkruamah consider this aforementioned countries as greatest allies . There maybe semblance of similarities of ideas anyway.

Hueman:
Why isn’t Nigeria improving under capitalism then if the answer is so black and white?? We embrace capitalism, what is it doing for us. Shell is destroying the Niger delta because of capitalism. That’s what happens when you “liberalize” your economy u oloshi. But sure Nigeria is practicing the same system as China. China is building productive force for their society they’re not abandoning communism. You ignore how many formerly colonized countries had to start over and compete with the west. It’s only the ussr and China that has accomplished so much that it threatens western hegemony but you still want to downplay China because you’re stupid.

The Chinese literally call their system socialism with Chinese characteristics and you think they are practicing capitalism. It’s better to leave you foolish goats in the dark.

the problem isn't capitalism but corruption and incompetence of the Nigerian government........

Hueman:
Those countries exist to make us poor because of capitalism. That’s why we need to create a movement based on class struggles so we can get something done. We aren’t Congo where everyone is stealing their cobalt. Our oil is running out. So this is the perfect time to fight back.

And the fight has already begun in some places

jl115:
the problem isn't capitalism but corruption and incompetence of the Nigerian government........

There are still flaws with the capitalist system you do realize that and the only good Nigerian leaders to ever rule other any part of Nigeria were socialists or social democratics so I think for us in Nigeria we will be very happy to adopt Socialism at some point and experience an economic boom like those in China and Vietnam

Abohboy:
UK isn't socialist one bit and the citizens are against it there are parties trying to bring in socialism to the UK but they've been rejected and ignored by the populace because they don't believe in socialism.

well UK is a complexed civilized nation, she understand the world is not white and black . Therefore understand how to balanced the technicality.

NHS system run in uk is an attribute of socialism economy.

There is no way you can run a capitalist economy without massive corporate corruption

Corporations end up owning the nation..... The USA is one big example....
By the time you realize it, you have become an Oligarchy


China has seen the light and it has decided to cut it huge corporations to size

jl115:
the problem isn't capitalism but corruption and incompetence of the Nigerian government........

Just30:
There is no way you can run a capitalist economy without massive corporate corruption

Corporations end up owning the nation..... USA is one big example....


China has seen the light and it has decided to cut it huge corporations to size

Exactly the capitalist system is built upon exploitation and the larger and richer the nation the more remain poor and the more are exploited in a socialist republic or a nation with socialist ideas corporations don't have such power and the people are able to help control the production so they won't be exploited but rather will be able to get what they rightly deserve from the system.

vaxx:
well UK is a complexed civilized nation, she understand the world is not white and black . Therefore understand how to balanced the technicality.

NHS system run in uk is an attribute of socialism economy.

NHS is more of a welfare system but at the same time yes it's a socialist type system but if you read the news anyday you'll see how it is being affected by the capitalist conservative party led by Boris Johnson

Abohboy:
Is Nigeria's economy growing currently? No not really but guess what our life expectancy is still increasing so by your logic people will be able to praise all Nigerian leaders from 1960 till present because our life expectancy has increased consistently? Mao did not help that much he initiated socialism and started a cultural revolution but apart from that explain how he actually helped develop the economy the China of advanced technology, grand infrastructure and extreme manufacturing is the child of Deng Xiaoping and his massive economic reforms why do you praise Mao so dearly but not praise Deng as much?

Life expectancy of Nigeria is 55 in 2021 isn’t exactly something to be proud of. Our life expectancy is barely growing. North Korea life expectancy is 72 and they are poorer than us. That shows how powerful socialism is.

Deng was alright. But Mao culturally changed the Chinese society. He got rid of the traitors and those willing to sell out his country to the west. He created the foundations for why China is strong. The Chinese still respects and honour this man. So downplaying his accomplishments is just weird. China literally used to be a feudal society for goodness.

Abohboy:
And the fight has already begun in some places

Kenya, Swaziland, and South Africa already has a growing socialist party. Big countries like Nigeria needs to join so we can set the stage across the continent.

vaxx:
no country has such on earth, ali baba owner is known as the richest business man in china.

Well ,inkrumah was the first person in africa to organize the workers and peasants in a mass movement for independence. That is a socialist outlook, he built dams( largest mam made in africa , founded nuclear energy for a nation that is not up to 10 million) that is industrialization, Ghana was far thinking ahead of her peers by then. Most of what Ghana today benefit are thru his combine policy.

So you agree more African countries need to be ran by socialist ?

Just30:
There is no way you can run a capitalist economy without massive corporate corruption

Corporations end up owning the nation..... The USA is one big example....
By the time you realize it, you have become an Oligarchy


China has seen the light and it has decided to cut it huge corporations to size

Funny because Capitalist countries top the list for least corrupt countries and true socialist/communist states are at the bottom?

The three best leaders in Nigerian history Okpara, Azikiwe and Awolowo were all Socialists up or down the spectrum in severity and they all developed their regions massively, Azikiwe built industrial zones, roads and farm estates then Okpara established concrete and car assembly plants as well as increasing production of cash crops such as palm oil and cocoa which made food sufficiency for the region then Awolowo introduced free education, free healthcare, build many roads and attempted to build a railway to connect the cocoa belt to Lagos but plans fell through and all of these were done in about 6 years and did I forget to say that Nigeria's economy at this point was growing at 8% plus and in Okpara and Azikiwe's eastern region at other 12% so Socialism has a good history in Nigeria and is awaiting its revival.

Abohboy:
Exactly the capitalist system is built upon exploitation and the larger and richer the nation the more remain poor and the more are exploited in a socialist republic or a nation with socialist ideas corporations don't have such power and the people are able to help control the production so they won't be exploited but rather will be able to get what they rightly deserve from the system.

So tell me why are capitalist countries(And yes Nordic countries are by definition capitalist as well) more equal than true socialist countries?

jl115:
Funny because Capitalist countries top the list for least corrupt countries and true socialist/communist states are at the bottom?

Funny because who makes that data specifically? I hope you know the scandinavian countries are socialist so if they're on this your list then your point has already failed and as far as I know there's been a hell of a lot more scandals concerning America, UK, France and all of those countries with corruption ( Watergate comes to mind ) then scandals in China and Vietnam especiakky China there corrupt leaders are executed on the spot so where's this your data coming from claiming countries like China are corrupt

jl115:
the problem isn't capitalism but corruption and incompetence of the Nigerian government........

So when our government let’s shell and chevron do whatever they want in the niger delta because of the “FREE” market then how exactly are they being incompetent They are just playing the games of capitalism.

jl115:
So tell me why are capitalist countries(And yes Nordic countries are by definition capitalist as well) more equal than true socialist countries?

Nordic countries are socialist with capitalist tendencies and what do you mean by more equal have you ever been to America or France or the UK to see the equality? In China they just banned private schools so all people have equal opportunity to get good learning and nobody gets more priority but England and America and them lot would never do that because they're too capitalist to care about the well being of citizens for the most part or at least of poor citizens they love the rich ones.

Hueman:
Life expectancy of Nigeria is 55 in 2021 isn’t exactly something to be proud of. Our life expectancy is barely growing. North Korea life expectancy is 72 and they are poorer than us. That shows how powerful socialism is.

Deng was alright. But Mao culturally changed the Chinese society. He got rid of the traitors and those willing to sell out his country to the west. He created the foundations for why China is strong. The Chinese still respects and honour this man. So downplaying his accomplishments is just weird. China literally used to be a feudal society for goodness.

I'm talking about infrastrucutre and you're talking about social changes do you see the problem now?