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Abohboy:
They sit at the top due to continued oppression and the capitalist societies that are at top are not fully capitalist like England they embraced aspects of Socialism for their welfare systems.

Even America is socialist to a great degree.
USA has an effective social safety net and taxes on personal capital gain so that some of the rich people's wealth can be distributed to the less privileged.

obaaderemi:
Germany and Italy didn't get their wealth from colonialism.

Japan didn't get its wealth from colonialism.

Germany and Italy did actually get a lot of wealth from colonialism and from the slave trades and in the case of Japan it was one of the countries that America was willing to allow to develop there have been multiple times in Africa where foreign countries support coups or revolutions to destabilize the nations because they're progress affects their development for example if Congo were to become developed and stop exporting it's raw minerals and they choose to start processing them then that would have a massive effect on the manufacturing sector in the other countries or if Ghana, Cote D'Ivoire, Nigeria and Cameroon chose to stop exporting raw cocoa and only allowed indigenous companies to process them then the European countries would lost tens of billions of dollars there are multiple other examples but in a lot of cases the west hasn't allowed African countries to progress because it would affect their economy if they were allowed to develop.

And in the case of Nigeria I hope you know that Obasanjo worked very closely with the CIA and the American government and was able to destroy many leftist ideology groups, labour groups and kill anyone that stood against him and America including Fela's mother and I hope you know that Obasanjo was a main part of the reason for why Awolowo didn't become president of Nigeria and I think we all know that Awolowo would have changed the nation greatly when he was the premier of the western region thousands of industries were opened in Ibadan, Ore, Abeokuta and Ijebu Ode as well as Lagos, there was free education, free healthcare there was electricity and there was tap water to a significant amount of houses had he become president he would have initiated the same thing across the nation and brought back the regional democracy but obviously that wasn't in the best interest of America so they got Obasanjo to play politics against him and we ended up with Shagari instead who although good didn't introduce enough radical economic reforms like Awolowo would have.

obaaderemi:
Even America is socialist to a great degree.
USA has an effective social safety net and taxes on personal capital gain so that some of the rich people's wealth can be distributed to the less privileged.

Nope not America, England, Germany, Italy have free healthcare systems as well asfree education and very good systems for unemployment and social housing, America on the other hand is almost completely capitalist there's no sign of free healthcare and rarely any free education from the government and the richest of the rich don't even get taxed in America they found a looophole and exploited it the same doesn't happen in Europe which is why most people who want to remain rich go to America like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos etc. America doesn't have scent of clear socialism in its system

obaaderemi:
I know but Japan didn't get its wealth from that.

Japan got majority of it wealth from plundering South East Asia

jl115:
And yet you think the Nordic system is socialist after what you said above

The fvcking irony

This is shameful

The fact that you even thought that a command economy was the same as socialism...

Please don't engage on this topic again, you are not equipped for it

jl115:
Denmark, Norway, New Zealand, Sweden, Switzerland.... All capitalist countries mate

They are all socialist states politically and to a large extent economically

Agreed with fani..are Kenyans not ashamed to compare their country to Nigeria? In 2021 Nigeria a country of 230m people has higher GDP per Capita than Kenya, a country with like 40m people.

Hueman:
Pyongyang North Korea VS Lagos Nigeria

Oga let’s bring this conversation back towards reality.

Used a worst picture of Lagos for one and secondly, secondly that picture of Pyongyang looks lifeless and void,the buildings looks like plastic and chip, force labor workers be like..

Oh yeah ,the reality is that Lagos is better than Pyongyang in everyway, the latter is a fake city with lifeless drones ,so stop

obaaderemi:
I know but Japan didn't get its wealth from that.

It did actually get a substantial amount of wealth from its occupation of China

mtisTheQubit:
The so called Australians or Canadians were never the natives of those lands..They were colonialists who felt entitled to stick around just like Kaburus of south africa.so don't twist things

Australians we're actually prisoners my bru they went there with nothing and against there will!!

jl115:
Australians we're actually prisoners my bru they went there with nothing and against there will!!

Some Australians were prisoners but most of them are immigrants how many immigrants could they have sent for the population to have grown to 25 million in 300 years?

Abohboy:
It did actually get a substantial amount of wealth from its occupation of China

and south korea.

vaxx:
and south korea.

actually all of Korea

obaaderemi:
Germany and Italy didn't get their wealth from colonialism.

Japan didn't get its wealth from colonialism.

They all stole. Japan used live Koreans as experiments to develop their medical institution.

They colonized many Asian countries.

Germany colonized some parts of Cameroon and Nigeria. Including the whole Togo land.

Same with Italy. They colonized Libya, Somalia, and Eritrea but they all lost all after world war 2 defeat.

forgiveness:
They all stole. Japan used live Korean to develop their medical institutions.

They colonized many Asian countries.

Germany colonized some parts of Cameroon and Nigeria. Including the whole Togo land.

Same with Italy. They colonized Libya, Somalia, and Eritrea but they all lost all after world war 2 defeat.

Also Namibia

Abohboy:
Also Namibia

Many East African countries including Tanzania and Kenya (some parts).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_German_colonies#German_imperial_colonies

I think Oba has a point because the Germany economy was devastated by WW1 and the colonies they would have leaned on where seized in the aftermath of the war. The italian never had colonies like that infact it was the bitterness of not being rewarded for supporting the Allies in WW1 that led to them backing Hitler in WW2 and also invading Ethiopia.

Abohboy:
Germany and Italy did actually get a lot of wealth from colonialism and from the slave trades and in the case of Japan it was one of the countries that America was willing to allow to develop there have been multiple times in Africa where foreign countries support coups or revolutions to destabilize the nations because they're progress affects their development for example if Congo were to become developed and stop exporting it's raw minerals and they choose to start processing them then that would have a massive effect on the manufacturing sector in the other countries or if Ghana, Cote D'Ivoire, Nigeria and Cameroon chose to stop exporting raw cocoa and only allowed indigenous companies to process them then the European countries would lost tens of billions of dollars there are multiple other examples but in a lot of cases the west hasn't allowed African countries to progress because it would affect their economy if they were allowed to develop.

And in the case of Nigeria I hope you know that Obasanjo worked very closely with the CIA and the American government and was able to destroy many leftist ideology groups, labour groups and kill anyone that stood against him and America including Fela's mother and I hope you know that Obasanjo was a main part of the reason for why Awolowo didn't become president of Nigeria and I think we all know that Awolowo would have changed the nation greatly when he was the premier of the western region thousands of industries were opened in Ibadan, Ore, Abeokuta and Ijebu Ode as well as Lagos, there was free education, free healthcare there was electricity and there was tap water to a significant amount of houses had he become president he would have initiated the same thing across the nation and brought back the regional democracy but obviously that wasn't in the best interest of America so they got Obasanjo to play politics against him and we ended up with Shagari instead who although good didn't introduce enough radical economic reforms like Awolowo would have.

Yes the Japs really did a number on Korea and especially China.

Just30:
Japan got majority of it wealth from plundering South East Asia

chrisooblog:
I think Oba has a point because the Germany economy was devastated by WW1 and the colonies they would have leaned on where seized in the aftermath of the war. The italian never had colonies like that infact it was the bitterness of not being rewarded for supporting the Allies in WW1 that led to them backing Hitler in WW2 and also invading Ethiopia.

But immediately after with Hilter they took over multiple nations in Eastern and Western Europe bringing back their wealth from imperialism

obaaderemi:
I think at this stage I have to stop responding to that guy.

Gbam

Henceforth, it might not be possible for a potential criminal to steal a phone in europe and sell it in Ghana.

The system has been put in place. Here is the Minister address.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPuAnb1mKmU

Been parsing some data and I can confidently declare by the next census a decade from now Ugandans will outnumber us! At roughly 48.5 mn now and a growth rate of 2.5 they're at 43.5 mn growing at 3.2.
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/uganda/population-and-urbanization-statistics/ug-population-growth
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/kenya/population-and-urbanization-statistics/ke-population-growth

They'll surpass or equal us by 2031,latest. The good thing is they've no weather issues,being perpetually green throughout the south with a;lmost half the surface area seeming to be lake,river or wetland,while the north is savanna with some ASAL zones in the NE. Land,therefore is cheap averaging a fraction of our own farm land.

Wealth that was again devastated by the end of WW2. Until IMF and World Bank came to the rescue after the war.

Abohboy:
But immediately after with Hilter they took over multiple nations in Eastern and Western Europe bringing back their wealth from imperialism

chrisooblog:
Wealth that was again devastated by the end of WW2. Until IMF and World Bank came to the rescue after the war.

well their fellow colonialists had a marshal plan for those countries. I wish someone had a marshal plan for Africa ...it could have at least boosted our continent...Funny they helped the Koreans, the Japanese, the Europeans an left Africa alone...Am that's why i got some respect for Chinese. They grew from ashes in a way

kikuyu2:
Been parsing some data and I can confidently declare by the next census a decade from now Ugandans will outnumber us! At roughly 48.5 mn now and a growth rate of 2.5 they're at 43.5 mn growing at 3.2.
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/uganda/population-and-urbanization-statistics/ug-population-growth
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/kenya/population-and-urbanization-statistics/ke-population-growth

They'll surpass or equal us by 2031,latest. The good thing is they've no weather issues,being perpetually green throughout the south with a;lmost half the surface area seeming to be lake,river or wetland,while the north is savanna with some ASAL zones in the NE. Land,therefore is cheap averaging a fraction of our own farm land.

I don't know whether to pity them or congratulate them on on their achievement. Population grow is sensitive issue. Depends on ones school of thought. Some argue its good while others think its the doom of our planet..

obaaderemi:
Germany and Italy didn't get their wealth from colonialism.

Japan didn't get its wealth from colonialism.

U have to read about Japanese empire and colonialism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_colonial_empire

Abohboy:
Some Australians were prisoners but most of them are immigrants how many immigrants could they have sent for the population to have grown to 25 million in 300 years?

immigrants or colonisers? Did Australia get rich on the back of aboriginals ?

jl115:
immigrants or colonisers? Did Australia get rich on the back of aboriginals ?

They were immigrants by the original definition it is only when they began introducing their own languages and laws claimed land and started taking resources of the people that they became colonizers same way the Portugese and British began as merchants and missionaries then transitioned into slave trade

Abohboy:
They were immigrants by the original definition it is only when they began introducing their own languages and laws claimed land and started taking resources of the people that they became colonizers same way the Portugese and British began as merchants and missionaries then transitioned into slave trade

Just answer the question bru

Just30:
They are all socialist states politically and to a large extent economically

Then you really need to go back to school because there economic systems aren't socialist in the slightest.