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rvp2018:
Folks only two countries almost depended entirely on colonialism for their advancement - Spain and Portugal - the rest had very robust local economies based on industrialization - and the colonies were mostly a drain on their economies. Start with Britian - nearly all colonies were in the red - and needed injection of money from Britain. In fact US, Japan and German were able to avoid colonial cost/drain and grow faster - than Britain and France - who had to shoulder huge price trying to manage their mostly loss making colonies.

What made Britain, Germany, Japan. ITALY and France rich - INDUSTRALIZATION.

Now study the two European countries - that did not - industralize - but depend on plundering the gold and minerals of South America - Spain and Portugal.

The industrial revolution would have never happened without the money from the slave trade orthe money from colonialism that's a standard fact and most people unless you're an EDL member ( Racist, conservative, against immigration etc. ) in England know this fact no Europeann country would be where it is today without imperialism, slavery and colonialism they gained immesne amounts of wealth from them and it was that wealth tha they used to fuel their development

rvp2018:
Folks only two countries almost depended entirely on colonialism for their advancement - Spain and Portugal - the rest had very robust local economies based on industrialization - and the colonies were mostly a drain on their economies. Start with Britian - nearly all colonies were in the red - and needed injection of money from Britain. In fact US, Japan and German were able to avoid colonial cost/drain and grow faster - than Britain and France - who had to shoulder huge price trying to manage their mostly loss making colonies.

What made Britain, Germany, Japan. ITALY and France rich - INDUSTRALIZATION.

Now study the two European countries - that did not - industralize - but depend on plundering the gold and minerals of South America - Spain and Portugal.

Exactly.
Everybody who has dedicated time and energy to study world history should know this. I don't know why I have to keep repeating the same points over and over.
People should just study the structure of those countries from early 19th century!

Kenya has many such gated communities - and more expensive.
For example - Great rift valley resort and golf residence - in Naivasha. VIpingos, Migaa, Thika greens and et

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blND1laYuE8

Vlain:
Show me an estate like this in Kenya and I will make sure to never show my face here again.
Watch to the end and pay attention to details.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB-vun8AvS4

Hueman:
That estate is so badly planned. Whole community looks like a money laundering scheme.

There's literally nothing wrong with this estate it is perfectly well planned and it's a private project with 0 government involvement and no person who was or in government is involved in the project so money laundering is unlikely.

rvp2018:
Folks only two countries almost depended entirely on colonialism for their advancement - Spain and Portugal - the rest had very robust local economies based on industrialization - and the colonies were mostly a drain on their economies. Start with Britian - nearly all colonies were in the red - and needed injection of money from Britain. In fact US, Japan and German were able to avoid colonial cost/drain and grow faster - than Britain and France - who had to shoulder huge price trying to manage their mostly loss making colonies.

What made Britain, Germany, Japan. ITALY and France rich - INDUSTRALIZATION.

Now study the two European countries - that did not - industralize - but depend on plundering the gold and minerals of South America - Spain and Portugal.

You people are so stupid not to know they need raw material for their industrialization and new trade center and this was largely gotten in africa . From gold to copper to iron ore to oil .


Yes, British does inject money on her colonies but all were done for the purpose of business which birth the long time gain the british are enjoying now . The establishment of railway line and constructions of hospital and roads for example , create a lot of job for their skilled workers and professional.

That is nonsense. Please study industrial revolution in those countries.
It has zero to do with coloniliasm and slavery - and even with international trade.
Why was industry able to transform the economy.
Simple - industry has 10 mutli-plier factor compared to say Agricluture.
So those countries grew very fast as they manufactured goods.
You saw how China recently grew up fast as it embarked on manufacturing

Abohboy:
The industrial revolution would have never happened without the money from the slave trade orthe money from colonialism that's a standard fact and most people unless you're an EDL member ( Racist, conservative, against immigration etc. ) in England know this fact no Europeann country would be where it is today without imperialism, slavery and colonialism they gained immesne amounts of wealth from them and it was that wealth tha they used to fuel their development

rvp2018:
That is nonsense. Please study industrial revolution in those countries.
It has zero to do with coloniliasm and slavery - and even with international trade.
Why was industry able to transform the economy.
Simple - industry has 10 mutli-plier factor compared to say Agricluture.
So those countries grew very fast as they manufactured goods.
You saw how China recently grew up fast as it embarked on manufacturing

Omds this is literally part of the GCSE course in England why would they teach it if it wasn't accurate? Children are told that the Industrial revolution started impart due to the wealth amassed from the slave trade and the agriculture that the slaves produced and the only reason why slavery and the slave trade ended was because the industrial revolution began, the industrial revolution would have taken way longer to start had slavery not occured and there's nothing to argue about.

I know you want to feel important as an African.

International trade is not important - even if you blockaded these countries - there is a lot of DOMESTIC trade and economy that can propel a country.

Colonialism was a drain - nearly all those railways never could pay for itself. All the steels and irons had to be ship in.

And the extracted raw materials not much of it made to mother countries....there was very little going on in africa.

It's not like those countries are baren of raw materials.

When German grew under Hilter - it was pariah state - but Germans industrial machine - was able to produce goods for germans - a car for everyone - a bicyle - a road - a house - all these kept machines busy and economy growing - only in the last stage after exhausting your domestic economy - do you actually need international expansion

vaxx:
You people are so stupid not to know they need raw material for their industrialization and new trade center and this was largely gotten in africa . From gold to copper to iron ore to oil .


Yes, British does inject money on her colonies but all were done for the purpose of business which birth the long time gain the british are enjoying now . The establishment of railway line and constructions of hospital and roads for example , create a lot of job for their skilled workers and professional.

I am sure you failed your GCSE going by how your reason.
Understand the difference btw causality and causation.
Agrarian revolution needed labour.
Industrial revolution needed machines.
If I make a machine today - and I have no slave or colonial history - I will propser.
I dont need slaves to make a machine to automate work - and generate 100 times the output of a slave.
What do I need to make a cloth making machine or brick making machine or frying pan making machine? - I need know-how - I need my brains more than anything else - I need universities - I need research and development.

Once these machines were cranking - they were able to create immense wealth - more than all the previous wealth of slavery, agricluture and name it.

Abohboy:
Omds this is literally part of the GCSE course in England why would they teach it if it wasn't accurate? Children are told that the Industrial revolution started impart due to the wealth amassed from the slave trade and the agriculture that the slaves produced and the only reason why slavery and the slave trade ended was because the industrial revolution began, the industrial revolution would have taken way longer to start had slavery not occured and there's nothing to argue about.

rvp2018:
I am sure you failed your GCSE going by how your reason.
Understand the difference btw causality and causation.
Agrarian revolution needed labour.
Industrial revolution needed machines.
If I make a machine today - and I have no slave or colonial history - I will propser.
I dont need slaves to make a machine to automate work - and generate 100 times the output of a slave.
What do I need to make a cloth making machine or brick making machine or frying pan making machine? - I need know-how - I need my brains more than anything else - I need universities - I need research and development.

Once these machines were cranking - they were able to create immense wealth - more than all the previous wealth of slavery, agricluture and name it.

Actually I got an academic scholarship for my work during thr GCSEs which i'm stilll doing and industrial revolution needed a lot more then machines it needed money and that money came from the sale of agriculture from slavery as well as from resources obtained during colonization there's literally nothing to argue making machines was 10 to 20 times more expensive then it is today so they needed large amounts of wealth to start the industrial revolution it wasn't until the mid 19th century that the industrial revolution became relatively independent from slave labour

Which slaves were in Britain or Japan or Germany

Abohboy:
Actually I got an academic scholarship for my work during thr GCSEs which i'm stilll doing and industrial revolution needed a lot more then machines it needed money and that money came from the sale of agriculture from slavery as well as from resources obtained during colonization there's literally nothing to argue making machines was 10 to 20 times more expensive then it is today so they needed large amounts of wealth to start the industrial revolution it wasn't until the mid 19th century that the industrial revolution became relatively independent from slave labour

rvp2018:
I know you want to feel important as an African.

International trade is not important - even if you blockaded these countries - there is a lot of DOMESTIC trade and economy that can propel a country.

Colonialism was a drain - nearly all those railways never could pay for itself. All the steels and irons had to be ship in.

And the extracted raw materials not much of it made to mother countries....there was very little going on in africa.

It's not like those countries are baren of raw materials.

When German grew under Hilter - it was pariah state - but Germans industrial machine - was able to produce goods for germans - a car for everyone - a bicyle - a road - a house - all these kept machines busy and economy growing - only in the last stage after exhausting your domestic economy - do you actually need international expansion

I really don't know how it feels to you when a certain people impose his culture, language, religion and economic way of life on another individual for his own selfish gain.

Yes they are not entirely baren but they need cheap labour for their development and it was gotten from africa , apart from extracting our raw material, they also used our human for their selfish interest. Our people do the job so cheaply.

Well, when the slave trade ends, the European body have to find a new way of making money after they have established their slave fort everywhere in africa. Africa economical gain was so important to them that they have to find and quickly set up a conference in same germany," berlin," and divide africa like their own property . When the french and the british have extensively used our men (cheap labor) to developed their own country . The new comer like italy, beligium and germany have to come on board . A rich copper resources country of congo was given to Belgium , itali took over prosperous Tripoli, Germany took over cameroon and Trans Togo (modern day volta and northern Ghana).

It has been proven economically, domestic business alone can't developed a nation. a new market is important. British were our former chinese. From common food spoon to Tea cup of the british can be found in every africa home when there were really stealing us here . There just need a rapid market .

They have to build trains and collect ounces of gold in return , they have to build hopsital. And collect barrel of oil in return , they have to build universities and continue their indoctrination.

rvp2018:
Which slaves were in Britain or Japan or Germany

There weren't slaves in England or Germany but there were slaves in the Americas and some African countries whicjh they used for wealth and Japan had thousands of Korean and Chinese sex slaves and also slaves for their farms.

Kip Keino classic - part of Worlds Continental tour - now in Nairobi. Gatlin amongst those competing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yabtMhZrG0

How did Slavery Contribute to Germany Development?

Abohboy:
There weren't slaves in England or Germany but there were slaves in the Americas and some African countries whicjh they used for wealth and Japan had thousands of Korean and Chinese sex slaves and also slaves for their farms.

Emotional polemics. Who did China colonize or enslave to industrialize and develop recently? We need to stop looking back at history and blaming slavery or coloniliasm for our poverty now. We can grow if we learn from develop world and develop our manufacturing sector for starters.

vaxx:
I really don't know how it feels to you when a certain people impose his culture, language, religion and economic way of life on another individual for his own selfish gain.

Yes they are not entirely baren but they need cheap labour for their development and it was gotten from africa , apart from extracting our raw material, they also used our human for their selfish interest. Our people do the job so cheaply.

Well, when the slave trade ends, the European body have to find a new way of making money after they have have established their slave fort everywhere in africa. Africa economical gain was so important to them that they have to find and quickly set up a conference in same germany," berlin," and divide africa like their own property . When the french and the british have extensively used our men (cheap labor) to developed their own country . The new comer like italy and beligium and germany have to come on board . A rich copper resources country of congo was given to Belgium , itali took over prosperous Tripoli, Germany took over cameroon and Trans Togo (modern day volta and northern Ghana).

It has been proven economically, domestic business alone can't developed a nation. a new market is important. British were our former chinese. From common food spoon to Tea cup of the british can be found in every africa home when there were really stealing us here . There just need a rapid market .

They have to build trains and collect ounces of gold in return , they have to build hopsital. And collect barrel of oil in return , they have to build universities and continue their indoctrination.

rvp2018:
How did Slavery Contribute to Germany Development?

Germany is a different situation i'd have to read more on it but in terms of England, France, Spain, Portugal and Japan slavey and colonization played a great deal in their growth

Very small part of their growth is attributed to slavery or colonization; it down to industrial revolution. See china for recent example; or Veitnam now.

Abohboy:
Germany is a different situation i'd have to read more on it but in terms of England, France, Spain, Portugal and Japan slavey and colonization played a great deal in their growth

rvp2018:
Emotional polemics. Who did China colonize or enslave to industrialize and develop recently? We need to stop looking back at history and blaming slavery or coloniliasm for our poverty now. We can grow if we learn from develop world and develop our manufacturing sector for starters.

China is an ancient super power...it has always been a productive nation . The gun powder that becomes bullet and abacus that made today modern computer was borrowed from them. You should ask yourself why ancient civilizations in africa like egypt, Algeria and ethiopia are not as developed as the former even when they both have a good start head

How are we going to developed when the colonials are still the one ruling us up till today, they only change the formation of their leadership. We are still suck with their wack system of governance that those not really celebrate the africa in us. and any country who try to embrace another ideology that differ from them end up becoming a hotbed of crisis. When libya was at peace. The citizens were living far better than italian.

And you must know, no where on the Globe, US and Europe interfered remained peaceful! Look at Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, iraq, Mali.... it rather remained hot bed of civil war!.

Let China allowed this and see.


Now, they are hovering to distablize Ethiopia, a country remained to be beacon of independence with unwavering commitment to Pan-African movement!!!

Abohboy:
There's literally nothing wrong with this estate it is perfectly well planned and it's a private project with 0 government involvement and no person who was or in government is involved in the project so money laundering is unlikely.

He sounds like one of those types that believe anyone of his community that is more successful than himself has to be corrupt or that just becuase he may be a failure everyone around him must be too.

The quickest way to lose a race before it starts is to have such self-defeatist attitude. Nothing is preventing your country Ghana from refusing to sell their cocoa beans before adding value. Nothing is stopping Ghana from kicking out Chinese gangs smuggling your gold. Nothing is stopping Ghana from prudently managing it's macro-economics and stopping borrowing Eurobond like a drunken sailor. Nothing is stopping Ghana from investing in vocational training and prepare it's workforce for manufacturing jobs. Nothing is stopping Ghana from improving it's basic infrastructure. Nothing stops Ghana for creating special economic zones to spur manufacturing. Nothing stops Ghana from inviting foreign investors. Nothing stops Ghana from moving to agro-processing.

Nothing stops Ghana from developing. If you're looking for excuses...you will never run out of them.

Look at what Kagame is doing in Rwanda. No Excuses.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4NNmFvxJJk&t=14s

vaxx:
China is an ancient super power...it has been a productive nation . The gun powder that becomes bullet and abacus that made today modern computer was borrowed from them. You should ask yourself why ancient civilizations in africa like egypt, Algeria and ethiopia are not as developed as the former even when they both have a good start head

How are we going to developed when the colonials are still the one ruling us up till today, they only change the formation of their leadership. We are still suck with their wack system of governance that those not really celebrate the africa in us. and any country who try to embrace another ideology that differ from them end up becoming a hotbed of crisis. When libya was at peace. The citizens were living far better than italian.

And you must know, no where on the Globe, US and Europe interfered remained peaceful! Look at Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, iraq, Mali.... it rather remained hot bed of civil war!.

Let China allowed this and see.


Now, they are hovering to distablize Ethiopia, a country remained to be beacon of independence with unwavering commitment to Pan-African movement!!!

rvp2018:
The quickest way to lose a race before it starts is to have such self-defeatist attitude. Nothing is preventing your country Ghana from refusing to sell their cocoa beans before adding value. Nothing is stop Ghana from kicking out Chinese gangs smuggling your gold. Nothing is stopping Ghana from prudently managing it's macro-economics and stopping borrowing Eurobond like a drunken sailor. Nothing is stopping Ghana from investing in vocational training and prepare it's workforce for manufacturing jobs. Nothing is stopping Ghana from improving it's basic infrastructure. Nothing stops Ghana for creating special economic zones to spur manufacturing. Nothing stops Ghana from inviting foreign investors. Nothing stops Ghana from moving to agro-processing.

Nothing stops Ghana from developing. If you're looking for excuses...you will never run out of them.

it seems you have been conquered on the hogwash stupidity of you exterminating Western colonies out of africa wealth.

Now you have to bite at Ghana.

I think your tea driven economy ( kenya ) needs to follow ghana extensive wide development. You will need to Follow the example of Ghana. Along with Ivory Coast.

Ghana is known as producer of cocoa just like your kenya is to tea. We just announced our intention to cutback exports of raw cocoa. It will, instead, we increase our domestic production of the finished product, chocolate. A high value, finished product. . We will not live our national pride in hands of india under the name of national needs.

The product alone is more than kenya total export .

Ghana is indeed developing as we are closing the poverty line everyday. in subsharan africa , Ghana has one of the most successful story .

rvp2018:
Look at what Kagame is doing to ruwanda


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4NNmFvxJJk&t=14s

Yet ruwanda is still more poorer than Ghana. That is laughable.

In infrastructure, ruwanda ( Kigali might not be as developed as Tamali the northern Ghana) yes I acknowledge the neatness , it shows the citizens are cooperating with the little resources in their hands .


I hear a whole Kigali does not have a single fly over .

Yes - if you stopped exporting raw cocoa beans - and work together with ivory coast - you'll create the seed wealthy required to spur manufacturing. Of course kenya is also not doing as well as it could.

But please stop lazy excuses about coloniliasm, neocoloniliasm, slavery and name it - own up to your own messes.

vaxx:
it seems you have been conquered on the hogwash stupidity of you exterminating Western colonies out out of africa wealth.

Now you have to bite at Ghana.

I think your tea driven economy ( kenya ) needs to follow ghana extensive wide development. You will need to Follow the example of Ghana. Along with Ivory Coast.

Ghana is known as producer of cocoa just like your kenya is to tea. We just announced our intention to cutback exports of raw cocoa. It will, instead, we increase our domestic production of the finished product, chocolate. A high value, finished product. . We will not live our national pride in hands of india under the name of national needs.

The product alone is more than kenya total export .

Ghana is indeed developing as we are closing the poverty line everyday. in subsharan africa , Ghana has one of the most successful story .

Being poor is a state. What matters is progress. Burundi which is Rwanda cousin in everything - same country split into two - is bottom poorest country in the world. Rwanda has slowly climbed out and is looking at the future with more hope.

Rwanda began from worse...one poorest landlocked country with genocide...and Kagame has turned around it's fortunes...

Botswana and Mauritus are also good examples.

vaxx:
Yet ruwanda is still more poorer than Ghana. That is laughable.

In infrastructure, ruwanda ( Kigali might not be as developed as Tamali the northern Ghana) yes I acknowledge the neatness , it shows the citizens are cooperating with the little resources in their hands .


I hear a whole Kigali does not have a single fly over .

rvp2018:
Yes - if you stopped exporting raw cocoa beans - and work together with ivory coast - you'll create the seed wealthy required to spur manufacturing. Of course kenya is also not doing as well as it could.

But please stop lazy excuses about coloniliasm, neocoloniliasm, slavery and name it - own up to your own messes.

if this bullshit never existed, we would have been fine At least zimbabwe and south africa and to some extent kenya will not have their lands owned by the so called white supremacy.

The only way out of this hogwash is a united africa front . We should have africa solution to africa problem . Singapore didn't borrowed British solution for her problem. Homegrown solution.

Singapore and the rest of asia Tigers might have been criticised for the lack of Western democracy and economic approach. But there is unanimity that they have succeeded in taking the masses of their populations out of poverty, unemployment and inequality.

obaaderemi:
False.
Japan did not have a colony outside its land until 1894.
And by 1945 it was all gone.
Meanwhile, Japan's real wealth started with the Meiji Restoration in 1860s.

Japan was an imperial nation at the time and it didn't need to have colony because all South East Asia nations today were like no man's land with no fix boundaries...

In the 1800s Japan was already carting resources from the Korea's, China and other island nations

rvp2018:
Being poor is a state. What matters is progress. Burundi which is Rwanda cousin in everything - same country split into two - is bottom poorest country in the world. Rwanda has slowly climbed out and is looking at the future with more hope.

Rwanda began from worse...one poorest landlocked country with genocide...and Kagame has turned around it's fortunes...

Botswana and Mauritus are also good examples.

Hopefully you will prefer a kind of ruwanda solution . A dictator per excellence I guess.( Wise dictator) Then summit a note to your top hierarchy so that they can maintain uhuru and then copy ruwanda model of leadership.

rvp2018:
I know you want to feel important as an African.

International trade is not important - even if you blockaded these countries - there is a lot of DOMESTIC trade and economy that can propel a country.

Colonialism was a drain - nearly all those railways never could pay for itself. All the steels and irons had to be ship in.

And the extracted raw materials not much of it made to mother countries....there was very little going on in africa.

It's not like those countries are baren of raw materials.

When German grew under Hilter - it was pariah state - but Germans industrial machine - was able to produce goods for germans - a car for everyone - a bicyle - a road - a house - all these kept machines busy and economy growing - only in the last stage after exhausting your domestic economy - do you actually need international expansion

you absolutely know nothing

You can pick Mauritus or Botswana - who have chosen the democratic route - whatever system you adopt - get it working! It not true that countries developed due to slavery or colonialism. Countries developed by simply improving their productivity - mostly due to industrialization.

vaxx:
Hopefully you will prefer a kind of ruwanda solution . A dictator per excellence I guess.( Wise dictator) Then summit a note to your top hierarchy so that they can maintain uhuru and then copy ruwanda model of leadership.

Just30:
you absolutely know nothing

says the man that thinks Nordic countries are socialist