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obaaderemi:
False.
The development of Europe was driven more by mercantile, competition, scientific progress, better instrument, machines, steam engine. In fact thermodynamics already was developed by 1712!

Property rights, work ethics, education, artistry also played major roles. You just have to recognize the fact that Europe's Great Enrichment was inevitable. Any country that can make things others wanted would make it big, like Britain. They could have just traded to get the raw materials and labour needed. Cost of goods would just have been higher. Just like China is doing today.

But because Africans and South American tribes were weak, they were low hanging fruits for the likes of Britain.


Colonialism contributed but without it, nothing could have stopped Britain's growth. You know why? They did away with conservatism.
Colonialism and slavery contributed less than Africans are made to believe to Britain, it was just a foolish unnecessary evil that wrecked Africa and benefited some greedy individuals in Britain. That's why Britain let it all go easily by 1960.
Read this with an open mind and see why it's silly to think Britain wouldn't have prospered without slavery and colonialism:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/did-britain-s-wealth-really-come-from-the-slave-trade-

Can you speak english? I very clearly said they still would have progressed and developed but not at the same speed if you take away trillions of dollars from a nation will it still move at the same speed? Of course not I never said it would be undeveloped I just said it would have developed a lot slower and not reached the same milestones as quick as they did with slavery and colonialism

PROVERBZ:
There is this thing I love about buildings in South Africa. Most times they don't go for high rise, they go for width and they can now pay more attention to the design of the buildings and the surroundings.
I think it's cuz they have the land mass in their cities . Land most be very cheap over there.

Land definitely isn;t cheap and especially not in waterfall or sandton where the most modern low rises are there is just a lot of wealth so they're able to acquire the necessary land and materials to build anything they need

Kenya did not want to become another Nigeria or Ghana training graduates whose only hope of getting a job is to emigrate - abroad - where they end up with degree course that are unrecognizable. Under Kibaki regime - university enrollment expanded rapidly - until total enrollment of 600K - with many polythetic being converted into universities - and everyone joining universities. Universities were swimming in money, buying real estates and expanding even regionally to Rwanda, TZ and name it.

Going for technical course started acquiring a bad stigma of failure - while the economy was unable to generate formal jobs - for all those graduates - we ended up like Nigeria or India or now South Africa or Ghana - too many jobless graduates !

Meanwhile the economy was generating informal jobs - for plumbers, masons, capertners - and were being filled by untrained people. This is Africa dillema.

And we realized by 2013 - this needed to change - hence TIVET. In 2015 - kenya kids woke up to historic mass failure - as gov deliberately shocked the education systems. Universities have enrollment capacity of more than 200K - but annually they have to compete for 120K students now - annually.

Now we are on the right path - universities need to find a stable base - but definitely the focus for gov has shifted to TIVET

AND the results are starting to show.

Technical and Vocational Education and Training (TVET) institutions across the country have put in place sufficient infrastructure and human resource to absorb the over 600,000 candidates who sat the 2020 Kenya Certificate of Secondary Education (KCSE) examination, which was released last week.

The Training Institutions (TTIs) under the Ministry of Education in each constituency, has grown from 52 in 2013 to 233 in 2021. Out of the 233 TTI’s: 52 are fully operational; 140 have been built, equipped, staffed and operationalised (four of 13 them catering for TVET SNE candidates) and 41 are under construction.

Kenya is considering using reserves from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to compensate for Chinese loans it repaid after the Treasury dropped an earlier request to defer debt payments.

The Treasury says it could use its additional allocation of IMF reserves in Special Drawing Rights (SDR) assets, which can be converted to government-backed money, as one of the options to plug the budget hole.

SDRs are the IMF’s unit of exchange based on sterling, dollars, euros, yen and yuan, and can be used to settle obligations like repayment of foreign public debt.

Director-general for public debt management office at the Treasury Haron Sirima said Kenya has an a raft of options including “use of additional SDR allocation by the IMF” to fill the cash hole left after Nairobi started to service loans from China in July.

Kenya had expected to extend a debt repayment moratorium from bilateral lenders, including China, which started in January 2021, by another six months to December 2021, saving it from making payments of nearly Sh50 billion to Beijing lenders.

Chinese lenders, especially Exim Bank, were uncomfortable with Kenya’s push for extension of the debt service suspension with rich nations, prompting delays in disbursements to projects funded by Chinese financiers.

This forced Nairobi to drop its push for the debt repayment holiday extension by China for fear of straining relations with Kenya’s biggest bilateral creditor.

Dr Sirima said the Treasury has other options, including seeking grants from development partners, changing the funding for “specific” capital projects to public–private partnership (PPP) and tapping the IMF reserves.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/kenya-seeks-imf-aid-repay-chinese-loans-3557198

How is Nigeria managing when debt servicing ration already passed 100 percent. Kenya is long way to get there. We are still spending money on capital projects, supporting huge social investment in free education to all levels, and name it.

Nigeria long gave up on even the basic - like providing security to Nigerians.

The report says all FG's salaries, overhead were financed with loans, CBN support. Debt servicing obligations gulped 97 percent of the Nigerian government's total revenue in 2020, a report has shown.Jul 11, 2021

Abohboy:
Kenya is considering using reserves from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to compensate for Chinese loans it repaid after the Treasury dropped an earlier request to defer debt payments.

The Treasury says it could use its additional allocation of IMF reserves in Special Drawing Rights (SDR) assets, which can be converted to government-backed money, as one of the options to plug the budget hole.

SDRs are the IMF’s unit of exchange based on sterling, dollars, euros, yen and yuan, and can be used to settle obligations like repayment of foreign public debt.

Director-general for public debt management office at the Treasury Haron Sirima said Kenya has an a raft of options including “use of additional SDR allocation by the IMF” to fill the cash hole left after Nairobi started to service loans from China in July.

Kenya had expected to extend a debt repayment moratorium from bilateral lenders, including China, which started in January 2021, by another six months to December 2021, saving it from making payments of nearly Sh50 billion to Beijing lenders.

Chinese lenders, especially Exim Bank, were uncomfortable with Kenya’s push for extension of the debt service suspension with rich nations, prompting delays in disbursements to projects funded by Chinese financiers.

This forced Nairobi to drop its push for the debt repayment holiday extension by China for fear of straining relations with Kenya’s biggest bilateral creditor.

Dr Sirima said the Treasury has other options, including seeking grants from development partners, changing the funding for “specific” capital projects to public–private partnership (PPP) and tapping the IMF reserves.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/kenya-seeks-imf-aid-repay-chinese-loans-3557198

rvp20182:
Kenya did not want to become another Nigeria or Ghana training graduates whose only hope of getting a job is to emigrate - abroad - where they end up with degree course that are unrecognizable. Under Kibaki regime - university enrollment expanded rapidly - until total enrollment of 600K - with many polythetic being converted into universities - and everyone joining universities. Universities were swimming in money, buying real estates and expanding even regionally to Rwanda, TZ and name it.

Going for technical course started acquiring a bad stigma of failure - while the economy was unable to generate formal jobs - for all those graduates - we ended up like Nigeria or India or now South Africa or Ghana - too many jobless graduates !

Meanwhile the economy was generating informal jobs - for plumbers, masons, capertners - and were being filled by untrained people. This is Africa dillema.

And we realized by 2013 - this needed to change - hence TIVET. In 2015 - kenya kids woke up to historic mass failure - as gov deliberately shocked the education systems. Universities have enrollment capacity of more than 200K - but annually they have to compete for 120K students now - annually.

Now we are on the right path - universities need to find a stable base - but definitely the focus for gov has shifted to TIVET

AND the results are starting to show.

Technical and Vocational Education and Training (TVET) institutions across the country have put in place sufficient infrastructure and human resource to absorb the over 600,000 candidates who sat the 2020 Kenya Certificate of Secondary Education (KCSE) examination, which was released last week.

The Training Institutions (TTIs) under the Ministry of Education in each constituency, has grown from 52 in 2013 to 233 in 2021. Out of the 233 TTI’s: 52 are fully operational; 140 have been built, equipped, staffed and operationalised (four of 13 them catering for TVET SNE candidates) and 41 are under construction.

Guess where your govt came to learn how to make that policy change work ?

Ghana

Just30:
Guess where your govt came to learn how to make that policy change work ?

Ghana

Kenyans are really indeed funny set of people

PROVERBZ:
it is. The building has started this is the first phase but it's actually going to be s big building it would be on five acres of land.

no, this is Africa data center in eko atlantic, not the underwater cable infrastructure u're talking about.

mtisTheQubit:
I must reply to ths..
So Nigeria is like 200m an USA is like 350 m..very close.The other day US was hitting 5000 covid deaths per day ..you would think Nigeria with such close population will record such.
There is a saying in Africa society that you can hide hunger but cannot hide bones something like that..If africans were dying of covid like you suggest then we would know..we know all ths..i got data from our hospitals an can tell you its not happening..
The other day we were debating about a post by a French scientist suggesting that the reason Africans are not dying at much rate its coz of worms they got in their bodies..kinda a protection shield
We i know many folks out there wish Africa death an stuff but not happening. We had ebola,HIV ,covid but our population still strong.an It scaring some folks an mostly white supremist...Dont know why they scared of black or brown skin..
Its funny ya suggesting that if Kenya tested more then folks would die in masses..Thats not science bro..Its wishful thnking...

we know Africa population is youthful an strong unlike some other countries..also most africans are immune to to stuff coz of how thy grew up...now thats science...

I've said it multiple times and I'll say it again.... Covid only has a 1% fatality rate, around 50% of people don't even know they have/had covid.... The natural deaths in SA is barely any different than pre covid.... Conclusion: if you don't conduct tests you'll not know if the death was covid related or not.

jl115:
I've said it multiple times and I'll say it again.... Covid only has a 1% fatality rate, around 50% of people don't even know they have/had covid.... The natural deaths in SA is barely any different than pre covid.... Conclusion: if you don't conduct tests you'll not know if the death was covid related or not.

if covid was rampant in Nigeria, our health care would have crashed.

Appisko:


Kenyans are really indeed funny set of people

They talk too much and reason very little

jl115:
I've said it multiple times and I'll say it again.... Covid only has a 1% fatality rate, around 50% of people don't even know they have/had covid.... The natural deaths in SA is barely any different than pre covid.... Conclusion: if you don't conduct tests you'll not know if the death was covid related or not.

According to preventepidemics.org which track covid whorldwide death patterns over time show a consistently low level of per capita deaths in Africa. This in in stark contrast with Europe which had high death rates in April, North America which has had high deaths rates.Overtime they have learned that older age is a significant risk factor for severe illness and death from COVID-19. Estimates of the case fatality ratio (proportion of confirmed cases that die) and infection fatality ratio (proportion of total infections, detected or undetected, that die) are about 20 times greater for those 60 years or older compared to those less than 60. In the United States, eight out of 10 COVID-19 deaths have been in adults 65 and older. Across the world, there are large differences in the age structure of countries and regions. Consequently, we should expect that areas with older populations would have higher rates of deaths among COVID-19 cases.

science Up there bro

I think aged western or developed population means the model wont be the same - but definitely COVID has led to many deaths - including in kenya. There is a lot of hidden data in Africa but it's also not as serious as predicted because of young vibrant hardy disease tolerant population.

When it come to US or Europe - you're dealing with very many elderly people with comorbidities.

jl115:
I've said it multiple times and I'll say it again.... Covid only has a 1% fatality rate, around 50% of people don't even know they have/had covid.... The natural deaths in SA is barely any different than pre covid.... Conclusion: if you don't conduct tests you'll not know if the death was covid related or not.

Precisely. Africa young population came to it's rescue. Europe and US will be better of economically after removing lots of pensioners.

mtisTheQubit:
According to preventepidemics.org which track covid whorldwide death patterns over time show a consistently low level of per capita deaths in Africa. This in in stark contrast with Europe which had high death rates in April, North America which has had high deaths rates.Overtime they have learned that older age is a significant risk factor for severe illness and death from COVID-19. Estimates of the case fatality ratio (proportion of confirmed cases that die) and infection fatality ratio (proportion of total infections, detected or undetected, that die) are about 20 times greater for those 60 years or older compared to those less than 60. In the United States, eight out of 10 COVID-19 deaths have been in adults 65 and older. Across the world, there are large differences in the age structure of countries and regions. Consequently, we should expect that areas with older populations would have higher rates of deaths among COVID-19 cases.

science Up there bro

Appisko:


Kenyans are really indeed funny set of people

Ths comparison btn an Kenya an Ghana is kinda boring..everyone on the net knows who got what an who doesnt.There are stuff you cant hide..You guys just need to get ya.sses out ths thread.Bythe way, Africa as whole is crap according most foks out there

No we copied Germany.
https://www.giz.de/en/worldwide/77023.html

Just30:
Guess where your govt came to learn how to make that policy change work ?

Ghana

rvp20182:
Precisely. Africa young population came to it's rescue. Europe and US will be better of economically after removing lots of pensioners.

have heard jl115 narrative somewhere an its basically a conspiracy from folks hating Africa

PROVERBZ:
if covid was rampant in Nigeria, our health care would have crashed.

your health department is already fvcked bru

mtisTheQubit:
According to preventepidemics.org which track covid whorldwide death patterns over time show a consistently low level of per capita deaths in Africa. This in in stark contrast with Europe which had high death rates in April, North America which has had high deaths rates.Overtime they have learned that older age is a significant risk factor for severe illness and death from COVID-19. Estimates of the case fatality ratio (proportion of confirmed cases that die) and infection fatality ratio (proportion of total infections, detected or undetected, that die) are about 20 times greater for those 60 years or older compared to those less than 60. In the United States, eight out of 10 COVID-19 deaths have been in adults 65 and older. Across the world, there are large differences in the age structure of countries and regions. Consequently, we should expect that areas with older populations would have higher rates of deaths among COVID-19 cases.

science Up there bro

OK and??

Shma2020:
Doofus, you're quoting 'thanks' which was directed to a SAn with 1000000000 words but when I engage you with words of the same magnitude is where you draw the line? Dumbo! I killed you the last time, go to your grave and stop disturbing the living, okay

U killed who? I bet u meant to say you ran away like the cowardly chicken that you are.
Lol u had to take 2 week plus to recover

rvp20182:
I think aged western or developed population means the model wont be the same - but definitely COVID has led to many deaths - including in kenya. There is a lot of hidden data in Africa but it's also not as serious as predicted because of young vibrant hardy disease tolerant population.

When it come to US or Europe - you're dealing with very many elderly people with comorbidities.

true.... My point is merely that Nigeria(and the rest of Africa for that matter) don't test at the same levels as SA does, hence death figures will be significantly lower

Shma2020:
That list was bs. We debunked it.

Egypt is the construction goat in africa and it was never there.

Ethiopia and Morocco were not there. They have done more than your zoo.

U debunked ur head. This thread is all about fact and facts can never be a substitution for emotionally driven opinions.That lists stands

Just30:
They still don't know what educational infrastructure looks like

Yes. Look at UON ,a mess for lack of a better word.

mtisTheQubit:
have heard jl115 narrative somewhere an its basically a conspiracy from folks hating Africa

no just facts bru.... People can't come here and claim SAs covid policies have failed when it's the only country in Africa doing significant testing and has a vaccine program that dwarfs every other African country

rvp20182:
No we copied Germany.
https://www.giz.de/en/worldwide/77023.html

you wish


But your officials came to learn it here

Shma2020:
Make to the top ten befere spewing nonsensical submission. No west Africa uni can stand at top ten with their illiteracy.

Lol tell me the blog u are quoting now.you been relegated to an emotional looney desperately upholding data’s from stupid blogs. We weren’t expecting much from you.

Vlain:
Yes. Look at UON ,a mess for lack of a better word.

It will take them centuries to realize it

Shma2020:
A fool who is 10 times smarter than a brain dead - a zombie who died at work? Anyway, I told you rvp's submission is beyond your mental fortitude of understanding. You don't have any right to verify its validity.

Lol tell that to your low-self esteem self,it’s suit you perfectly - otherwise u and ur mental-god is below my feet,and that’s just brutal fact-no kidding.

Shma2020:
Okay. Discussion closed!

Lol have you seen what u are looking for now fool.

Shma2020:
[s]You mean the one building which is equivalent to 3campuses in a country of dwarfs? Interesting .

But worry less, land price in Nairobi is just too much for an average Ghanaian to decipher - the reason we invest in vertical infrastructures. The day you'll realize that technical universities in Kenya are much more better infrastructurally than your UOG, that's when you'll quit the rant.[/s]

Noise. Next

Shma2020:
Don't reason like someone who has never stepped in school. If you want any argument to be countered with links from reputable sources, you yourself should also present yourself with your own link which you feel it's the right one.

But this idiot was seen requesting for a link. Stupid hypocrite.

Shma2020:
Drop the link, I just want to see something.