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You're one who is being incorrigible. Maasai and many African managed to retain it's wildlife by refusing to hunt for the fun of it. Domesticated animals - all over the world - no one has a problem if you hunt and kill them in your farm. It use to be fun to hunt our chicken for dinner.....run it around the compound until we cornered it.

Again Maasai do not hunt or kill animals. Maasai Mara is unfenced. Of course poachers might come and pay maasai to kill animals for ivory or skin...but a Maasai do not eat wild game.

Dorobo - who are Khoisan offshot - are hunters and gatherers - they live and speak Maasai - but have South Africa CLICK language - they are Khoisans.

There are few Khoisans in kenya - hunters and gathers - these are the folks who are majority down in South Africa - they are a minority in Kenya - but hunting is way of life for them. They simply never evolved and you have gone back to their stone age habit.

jl115:
1) all humans hunted, the Masaai still hunt today as I showed you several times

2) Where do you think Cows, Goats and chickens came from?? ...........oh yes they came from wild animals did they not teach you this in Kenya?

3) What?

Jeezez Rvp2018, is this really you?? where was they guy I was debating economics with?? who is this ret@rd im speaking to now?

jl115:
In South Africa anyone can own wildlife, if it's on you property, you own it!!

Same like Tz,you can own,kill it and sell the meat.

Not in kenya. You need a lot of license and Kenya Wildlife Service monitor. You can only keep for tourism to come and see them.

Kazikazi:
Same like Tz,you can own,kill it and sell the meat.

No. In kenya animal reserve - simply mean unfenced. Animal park mean fenced/enclosed.
For example - Tsavo National Park is huge - but it's fenced.
Maasai Mara is unfenced.
Game reserve local community runs it.
There is no border/fence.
You can graze your cow with wildlife.
You can build your house in animal reserve.
The animal parks are exclusively for animals.
Zoos and animal orphanage are little animal parks.

Kazikazi:
Do u know a reserve sometimes it is used as a feeder to other parks? And some animals in Serengeti are usually from neighboring parks like ngorongoro and they return back?

rvp2018:
Not in kenya. You need a lot of license and Kenya Wildlife Service monitor. You can only keep for tourism to come and see them.

Yes licences are needed. Most folks would rather do cattle farming than trying to keep the herd of bufallos for meat. The rules and investment needed is too much

It depend on what you want to conserve.
If you want to conserve zebras go for it.
If you want to preserve rare species - private conservancies will keep them - and charge lots of money for you to see them.
The niche is to say keep endangered white rhinos.

This is the focus for kenya - conserving endangered species - not keeping 100M buffalos. So if you come and tell us you have 30M zebras, gazelles and other useless animals - who cares?

This one last white Rhino in planet earth - when he died the eggs had to extracted and preserved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8NF80ge40

Kazikazi:
Yes licences are needed. Most folks would rather do cattle farming than trying to keep the herd of bufallos for meat. The rules and investment needed is too much

jl115:
Nigeria is a sh1thole mate a massive cesspool which ranks last in nearly every social economic index!!

-So you admit you were 100% wrong then?? SA is not even close to being the obese capital of the world

Paper index, but different in reality.
We all know you are the bigger sh1thole in Africa.
At least we don't use every little protest as an excuse to loot, because of hunger and poverty.
And most especially, we don't loot casket, pig, intimacy gadgets.

When this Rhino died - called Sudan - it almost made global news. It was world last white Rhino. Everything is preserved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GFU6i0zzrQ

rvp2018:
You're one who is being incorrigible. Maasai and many African managed to retain it's wildlife by refusing to hunt for the fun of it. Domesticated animals - all over the world - no one has a problem if you hunt and kill them in your farm. It use to be fun to hunt our chicken for dinner.....run it around the compound until we cornered it.

Again Maasai do not hunt or kill animals. Maasai Mara is unfenced. Of course poachers might come and pay maasai to kill animals for ivory or skin...but a Maasai do not eat wild game.

Dorobo - who are Khoisan offshot - are hunters and gatherers - they live and speak Maasai - but have South Africa CLICK language - they are Khoisans.

There are few Khoisans in kenya - hunters and gathers - these are the folks who are majority down in South Africa - they are a minority in Kenya - but hunting is way of life for them. They simply never evolved and you have gone back to their stone age habit.

Masaai hunting and killing lion for fun(To show manhood):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX4Bw5RVDTU

Kazikazi:
Same like Tz,you can own,kill it and sell the meat.

There are however bag limits in certain regions....but even if you hunt every day you will never be able to fill the bag limit!!

rvp2018:
It depend on what you want to conserve.
If you want to conserve zebras go for it.
If you want to preserve rare species - private conservancies will keep them - and charge lots of money for you to see them.
The niche is to say keep endangered white rhinos.

This is the focus for kenya - conserving endangered species - not keeping 100M buffalos. So if you come and tell us you have 30M zebras, gazelles and other useless animals - who cares?

This one last white Rhino in planet earth - when he died the eggs had to extracted and preserved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8NF80ge40

Nope Kenya decimates wildlife....hence 80% of Africas Rhinos are in SA

Yes why dont you go hunt a lion instead of hunting for food. Maasai live with wild animals. When wild animals misbehave - they kill them to teach them a lesson. When boys are graduating to manhood - they are allowed to hunt lions and bring their skins as proof that they will defend the community.

Maasai do not kill to eat - animals. Dorobo who are Khoisan - do that. Maasai will not eat wild game.

jl115:
Masaai hunting and killing lion for fun(To show manhood):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX4Bw5RVDTU

How do we decimate wildlife? Because we do not farm them like we do cows? You want us to start breeding wildlife? Ecologically that nonsense. That is turning them to cows or sheep.

jl115:
Nope Kenya decimates wildlife....hence 80% of Africas Rhinos are in SA

rvp2018:
No. In kenya animal reserve - simply mean unfenced. Animal park mean fenced/enclosed.
For example - Tsavo National Park is huge - but it's fenced.
Maasai Mara is unfenced.
Game reserve local community runs it.
There is no border/fence.
You can graze your cow with wildlife.
You can build your house in animal reserve.
The animal parks are exclusively for animals.
Zoos and animal orphanage are little animal parks.

In Tz,all game reserves are used as a feeder or as a word says....'a reserve',a place where animals are kept for future use. Tourism is allowed in the minimum and hunting is allowed if the numbers are high.But parks are for game viewing and never hunting.
No one is allowed to live,graze your cow,or even chop a tree or kill a butterfly in national park or game reserve.
Its only in ngorongoro conservation area where people are allowed to live with animals.
These laws are there,but some villagers break rules sometimes.We have seen some cows being auctioned by gov just because they were found in the parks/reserves

Roan77:
Paper index, but different in reality.
We all know you are the bigger sh1thole in Africa.
At least we don't use every little protest as an excuse to loot, because of hunger and poverty.
And most especially, we don't loot casket, pig, intimacy gadgets.

No such thing as paper indexes.........Indexes are based on whats going on on the ground....enjoy your sh1thole and your generator

FYI Nigerians are much more hungry

GHI:
Nigeria 98th / 107
SA 60th / 107

In kenya short - National Park - owned by National Gov - Game reserves - own by locals

Maasai mara game reserve - all the money goes to Maasai. National gov gets nothing.

There are 61 Kenya National Parks and National Reserves. The area for wildlife conservation is about 44,359 square kilometres or 8% of Kenya’s land mass of 580,367 square kilometers.

The protected areas embrace various types of ecosystems namely: forests, wetlands, savannah, marine, arid and semi-arid. The protected areas comprise of 23 terrestrial National Parks, 28 terrestrial National Reserves, 4 marine National Parks, 6 marine National Reserves and 4 national sanctuaries.

The protected areas are categorised either as parks or reserves. The distinction between the two categories is: in parks there is complete protection of natural resources and the only activities allowed are tourism and research.

On the other hand in reserves, human activities are allowed under specific conditions. These activities are for instance firewood collection in terrestrial reserves or fishing in marine reserves.

Kenya National Parks and Game Reserves is where both locals and tourist go to experience Kenya safaris and beach vacations. Holidaymakers usually book Kenya safari packages or tailor-made private tours.

Kenya’s safari industry is backed up by an efficient tourist infrastructure with a dazzling choice of camps and game lodges to suit all budgets. This is, after all, where modern safaris were invented back in the Twenties.

Kazikazi:
In Tz,all game reserves are used as a feeder or as a word says....'a reserve',a place where animals are kept for future use. Tourism is allowed in the minimum and hunting is allowed if the numbers are high.But parks are for game viewing and never hunting.
No one is allowed to live,graze your cow,or even chop a tree or kill a butterfly in national park or game reserve.
Its only in ngorongoro conservation area where people are allowed to live with animals.
These laws are there,but some villagers break rules sometimes.We have seen some cows being auctioned by gov just because they were found in the parks/reserves

rvp2018:
How do we decimate wildlife? Because we do not farm them like we do cows? You want us to start breeding wildlife? Ecologically that nonsense. That is turning them to cows or sheep.

Yes Kenya has lost 85% of its wildlife since the 70s........that is decimation

And no!! Game breeding doesn't work in anyway like domestic wildlife.....game breeding mostly revolves around rehabilitating your land back to natural vegetation and protecting your wildlife

rvp2018:
Yes why dont you go hunt a lion instead of hunting for food. Maasai live with wild animals. When wild animals misbehave - they kill them to teach them a lesson. When boys are graduating to manhood - they are allowed to hunt lions and bring their skins as proof that they will defend the community.

Maasai do not kill to eat - animals. Dorobo who are Khoisan - do that. Maasai will not eat wild game.

Are you serious

NEVER GO FULL RET@RD!! NEVER!!

You mean increasing acreage of game reserves? Because if they are animal parks reserve - you want the gov to go and dig boreholes for animals or what?

If you mean making private conservancies profitable by allowing hunting - then we got a moral problem.

jl115:
Yes Kenya has lost 85% of its wildlife since the 70s........that is decimation

And no!! Game breeding doesn't work in anyway like domestic wildlife.....game breeding mostly revolves around rehabilitating your land back to natural vegetation and protecting your wildlife

rvp2018:
You mean increasing acreage of game reserves? Because if they are animal parks reserve - you want the gov to go and dig boreholes for animals or what?

South Africa is increasing its wildlife population by 20% p.a.................Why can't Kenya?

You think you dutch forefather feared Maasai for nothing. Maasai are paid a lot of money if lion eat their sheep or goats. Or the lions will learn very painful lessons.

The only way wild game live with Maasai and their cows, sheeps.goats - is mutual respect. The lions know Maasai is the king and his cattle are not to be hunted.

Give Maasai one hour - they do not need your cowardly guns - they decimate lions. The Lions like your dogs are intelligent enough to know the master - and they co-exist peacefully. When they start eating goats - their days are over - they are promptly killed.

jl115:
Are you serious

NEVER GO FULL RET@RD!! NEVER!!

rvp2018:
You think you dutch forefather feared Maasai for nothing. Maasai are paid a lot of money if lion eat their sheep or goats. Or the lions will learn very painful lessons.

Stop.....just....Stop

Surely this can't be the real Rvp2018??

rvp2018:
It depend on what you want to conserve.
If you want to conserve zebras go for it.
If you want to preserve rare species - private conservancies will keep them - and charge lots of money for you to see them.
The niche is to say keep endangered white rhinos.

This is the focus for kenya - conserving endangered species - not keeping 100M buffalos. So if you come and tell us you have 30M zebras, gazelles and other useless animals - who cares?

This one last white Rhino in planet earth - when he died the eggs had to extracted and preserved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8NF80ge40

That's funny.
Tz has more rhinos than you.What can you teach us about conservation? We have more of any type of animal than you.How can you try to teach us?
Let me tell you,keeping wild animals in Tz is costly due to gov regulations and the years needed to get back your ROI.Remember, rhino don't breed like cows.

rvp2018:
Give Maasai one hour - they do not need your cowardly guns - they decimate lions.

Exactly my point decimated 85% of your wildlife

It's the law. if animals kill a cow or sheep - gov pays a lot of money - or the Maasai will finish them. Maasai are not cowards who need guns to beat lions until they sing. Only very old and desperate lions kill Maasai sheep or goats.

This is how wildlife was conserved in Africa before European. There was clear chain of command. Human and his animals are the top. Lion and his kingdom.

jl115:
Stop.....just....Stop

Surely this can't be the real Rvp2018??

Again I said white rhinos. How many white rhinos do you have? The last one sudan died. Yes if you charge 1000 dollars for hunting and the same to see the last white rhino..what is the difference

You idiots allowed arabs millionaire to bring their little tail to kill animals - sijui Qatar to hunt in maasailand - Maasai who for thousands years never hunted wildlife??

Kazikazi:
That's funny.
Tz has more rhinos than you.What can you teach us about conservation? We have more of any type of animal than you? How can you try to teach us?
Let me tell you,keeping wild animals in Tz is costly due to gov regulations and the years needed to get back your ROI.Remember, rhino don't breed like cows.

rvp2018:
It's the law. if animals kill a cow or sheep - gov pays a lot of money - or the Maasai will finish them. Maasai are not cowards who need guns to beat lions until they sing. Only very old and desperate lions kill Maasai sheep or goats.

This is how wildlife was conserved in Africa before European. There was clear chain of command. Human and his animals are the top. Lion and his kingdom.

SMH.............yet 85% of Kenyan wildlife has been wiped from the face of the earth by Kenyans

#kenyanlogic

Population and Climate Change. Those are bigger animals. Than the little animals you coward shoot with your little gun so you can proof you manhood.

Sahara desert is pushing fulanis and kenya pastoralist to the wall.

Take a bow and arrow - and spear - kill a lion like Maasai - and become a Man - you will NEVER BE.

Stop murdering animals/

jl115:
SMH.............yet 85% of Kenyan wildlife has been wiped from the face of the earth by Kenyans

#kenyanlogic

rvp2018:
Population and Climate Change. Those are bigger animals. Than the little animals you coward shoot with your little gun so you can proof you manhood.

Sahara desert is pushing fulanis and kenya pastoralist to the wall.

Take a bow and arrow - and spear - kill a lion like Maasai - and become a Man - you will NEVER BE.

Stop murdering animals/

yet with climate change and population growth SAs wildlife population is growing by 20% and we have over 30 million animals... 30 times more than kenya.

Also unlike your Masaai friends I don't shoot animals just for fun or to prove my manhood... I hunt for food...and I don't eat lion

And yes I hunt with bow and arrow

Very much doubt you can even beat me in hunting. All that gear for what Hunting are things we did growing up and outgrown it. My last hunting was in initiation ceremony to be a man. We had many targets...and we mostly had to shoot birds...very hard to bring them down...our markmanship very topnotch.

Now hunting gazelle for big man - that is nonsense.

With 3 dogs - you can hunt almost any animal. Without a dog - hunting is almost impossible, Hunting dogs - not a pet dog. Unless you're going to animal conservancy to pay top dollar to shoot animals.

Go buy beef. Get a girlfriend or male friends. Watch football.

jl115:
yet with climate change and population growth SAs wildlife population is growing by 20% and we have over 30 million animals... 30 times more than kenya.

Also unlike your Masaai friends I don't shoot animals just for fun or to prove my manhood... I hunt for food...and I don't eat lion

And yes I hunt with bow and arrow

rvp2018:
Very much doubt you can even beat me in hunting. All that gear for what

I was in fact ranked in the top 10 archers in Africa in 2017 and so far my worst performance this year is 2nd in SA this year after 4 years of not shooting competitively... So I highly doubt that

Very good but I remember in our initiation we were 60 boys. I was not any good but the top guys who shot with simple boys and arrows - and hit a eyeball everytime. I still recall a left handed dude.

These things we outgrow. We stop hunting animals. We start hunting women. After all the troubles, the thorns, bruises, and running, you come home with red lean meat probably carrying strange diease. Go buy beef.

Go to a bar shoot pool or snookers or even go to golf - and use it there.

jl115:
I was in fact ranked in the top 10 archers in Africa in 2017 and so far my worst performance this year is 2nd in SA this year after 4 years of not shooting competitively... So I highly doubt that