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BigBashiru:
lolz no I'm actually a very faithful follower of Christ....

These arguments I make here I discuss them with God too.

I believe God expects us to ask questions and challenge things and not just be blind followers....

Oh great, you know every scripture is God's breathe?

Ayo081:
Oh great, you know every scripture is God's breathe?

nobody is arguing with the written word of God....what we are saying is that what is written in the bible deviates from real life results...

for example I no longer see women as help meet in the real sense of it though it's what's written in the bible..

I see women as help meets of convenience....whatever help they are giving you has to be convenient for them and or they must be benefiting from it somehow.....

this doesn't mean I don't agree with what the bible says.

when you question what the bible says you gain greater knowledge of the bible.

BigBashiru:
nobody is arguing with the written word of God....what we are saying is that what is written in the bible deviates from real life results...

for example I no longer see women as help meet in the real sense of it though it's what's written in the bible..

I see women as help meets of convenience....whatever help they are giving you has to be convenient for them and or they must be benefiting from it somehow.....

this doesn't mean I don't agree with what the bible says.

when you question what the bible says you gain greater knowledge of the bible.

What is written in the Bible as we see here isn't the problem. Instead your special interpretations of what is written in the book is, and my guess is you have bee getting your ideas from the mouths of Mogs who are equally ignorant.

God never said He created all women as help meet for all men... no He instead created Eve for Adam, the only man who existed alone in the garden of Eden at that time. After Eve, God never created another woman, not even for Adam's Sons.

Another problem with so many of you convince yourselves that to go with your special interpretations you also have to blindly follow whatever contradictions results from your reasoning things ghe way you do leaving you devoid of God's Truth.

BigBashiru:
nobody is arguing with the written word of God....what we are saying is that what is written in the bible deviates from real life results...

for example I no longer see women as help meet in the real sense of it though it's what's written in the bible..

I see women as help meets of convenience....whatever help they are giving you has to be convenient for them and or they must be benefiting from it somehow.....

this doesn't mean I don't agree with what the bible says.

when you question what the bible says you gain greater knowledge of the bible.

Oh I see,

This things aren't new. If you we're a true follower of Christ as you said, you should less shocked and might not open the thread.

Wonder why the Apostles were admonishing God's people? cc Col. 3

12. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,

13. but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Matthew 24:12‭-‬13 NIV

Why not we ask for divine guidance instead?

You never mentioned that there're God's people today enjoying their marriage life.

Kobojunkie:
What is written in the Bible as we see here isn't the problem. Instead your special interpretations of what is written in the book is

Absolutely!,

He's in error.

Kobojunkie:
What is written in the Bible as we see here isn't the problem. Instead your special interpretations of what is written in the book is, and my guess is you have bee getting your ideas from the mouths of Mogs who are equally ignorant.

God never said He created all women as help meet for all men... no He instead created Eve for Adam, the only man who existed alone in the garden of Eden at that time. After Eve, God never created another woman, not even for Adam's Sons.

Another problem with so many of you convince yourselves that to go with your special interpretations you also have to blindly follow whatever contradictions results from your reasoning things ghe way you do leaving you devoid of God's Truth.

guy ur a religious nut job. any self respecting person who has been asked to leave a thread will simply leave. thanks.

Ayo081:
Oh I see,

This things aren't new. If you we're a true follower of Christ as you said, you should less shocked and might not open the thread.

Wonder why the Apostles were admonishing God's people? cc Col. 3



Why not we ask for divine guidance instead?

You never mentioned that there're God's people today enjoying their marriage life.

this thread isn't for religious nut jobs...its for rational thinkers whose rational thoughts hv been crucified with Christ

BigBashiru:
guy ur a religious nut job. any self respecting person who has been asked to leave a thread will simply leave. thanks.

I think you have that twisted around. You would be the religious nut job here believing the delusions and doctrines spewed at you by your pastors and Mogs instead of actually carefully reading and comprehending what is written in plain language for you in the book.

You want me to leave so you freely spread your delusions, even as you continue to assert that you believe in God when what you indeed believe in are the lies you feed yourself of Him?

BigBashiru:
this thread isn't for religious nut jobs...its for rational thinkers whose rational thoughts hv been crucified with Christ

But none or your ideas have been rational since your understanding of the contents of the book border on delusions.

BigBashiru:
You are fear mongering. The Bible records that David killed another man to take over his wife - this is scarcity mentality.

You can quote Bible verses or try to use God to stir fear but that tactic is old and no longer works. We must stick to the facts.

Scarcity huh?
If we tell you to read the Bible with understanding, you'd scream No. Now see what you're saying…?

“And David came to his house at Jerusalem; and the king took the ten women his concubines, whom he had left to keep the house, and put them in ward, and fed them, but went not in unto them. So they were shut up unto the day of their death, living in widowhood.”
— 2 Samuel 20:3 (KJV)

If he had 10 women as concubines, was there then any scarcity of women?

Kayberg:
Scarcity huh?
If we tell you to read the Bible with understanding, you'd scream No. Now see what you're saying…?

“And David came to his house at Jerusalem; and the king took the ten women his concubines, whom he had left to keep the house, and put them in ward, and fed them, but went not in unto them. So they were shut up unto the day of their death, living in widowhood.”
— 2 Samuel 20:3 (KJV)

If he had 10 women as concubines, was there then any scarcity of women?

the verse u hv quoted supports my argument. he had 10 girls but "went not in unto them"(meaning didn't sleep with them).... he was doing holy holy.... instead of taking one of the 10 as a new wife he went for another man's wife...thats holy holy + scarcity mentality

BigBashiru:
1. If King David in the Bible had many female friends (easy as king), he would not have gotten desperate to kill another man to take over the wife... He would have simply picked a new wife from his numerous female friends...this shows David was over doing christianity, if he had actually relaxed and had not been obsessed with monogamy, he would not have been cursed by God.

1a. David was not a Christian. Instead He was a King under God's Old Covenant Law of Moses and the Law did not deny even kings the right to polygamy. The only stipulation was that the King could not have too many wives.

17 Also, the king must not have too many wives, because that will make him turn away from the Lord. And he must not make himself rich with silver and gold. - Deuteronomy 17 vs 17

1b. Christianity does not preclude polygamy and polyandry. As a matter of fact, Jesus Christ, the one who is Law over all Christians, made it clear in Matthew 19 vs 2-5 that the same law established by God in the beginning where marriage is concerned also applies to all Christians - followers of Jesus Christ.

1c. God Himself gave the wives and concubines of Saul to David so David did have wives and concubines before he plotted and killed Uriah for Bathsheba.

Kobojunkie:
1a. David was not a Christian. Instead He was a King under God's Old Covenant Law of Moses and the Law did not deny even kings the right to polygamy. The only stipulation was that the King could not have too many wives.


1b. Christianity does not preclude polygamy and polyandry. As a matter of fact, Jesus Christ, the one who is Law over all Christians, made it clear in Matthew 19 vs 2-5 that the same law established by God in the beginning where marriage is concerned also applies to all Christians - followers of Jesus Christ.

1c. God Himself gave the wives and concubines of Saul to David so David did have wives and concubines before he plotted and killed Uriah for Bathsheba.

guy leave my thread na wetin? I hv a feeling say na nyash were dis guy dey find.... but no I'm not gay thanks!

Kobojunkie:
Grow a brain!

get a life. don't you have a life? and don't you know everyone is not a brainwashed nut job like you? I'm closer to God than u so now go fukkk urself u religious nut job and FAGgg

BigBashiru:
get a life. don't you have a life? and don't you know everyone is not a brainwashed nut job like you? I'm closer to God than u so now go fukkk urself u religious nut job and FAGgg

ROFLMAO

BigBashiru:
[s]First of all God is God, good, sovereign and Almighty. This write up is not about God but rather is about ways human beings have twisted the Word of God to cause fear and suppression of human sexuality.

1. If King David in the Bible had many female friends (easy as king), he would not have gotten desperate to kill another man to take over the wife... He would have simply picked a new wife from his numerous female friends...this shows David was over doing christianity, if he had actually relaxed and had not been obsessed with monogamy, he would not have been cursed by God.

2. My opinion - The bible paints a deceitful picture of women as far as relationships are concerned - for example Proverbs says "rejoice in the wife of your youth"...this paints a picture of young women wanting to settle down... but the truth is that the vast majority of women only wanna settle down in their mid to late 20s after they have had their fun.

3. The bible also says if any man cant contain let him go and marry lest he burn with passion. again this is deceitful, truth is guys are attracted to hot young thangz, at the age most women wanna marry they have lost quite a bit of their attractiveness - so a woman marrying at 29 wont help me contain anything. I would still be lusting after university students (cant help it - its biology) after Ive married her unless she is among those that really took care of her body well.[/s]

Please enrol in a Bible study class

All you need is to study the Bible with God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) if you're sincere {Zephaniah 2:2-3} and not the type who often follow the crowd in doing evil {Exodus 23:1-3} you will understand why God detests sexual immorality! Galatians 5:19

Let's enlighten ourselves a little!
From the beginning Sex supposed to be intimacy between two persons of opposite sex, both of them must be known in the society as man and wife so whatever goes on between the two (in the cover) is no man's business.
But a time came when some angels felt they're missing something, they decided to leave their dwelling places and duties in heaven, came down, put on materialised bodies and started mating with female humans {Genesis 6:1,2,4} this was the first time those girls will see young vibrant and highly intelligent guys who have everything a woman wants so they gave themselves freely without knowing where these genius came from.
That was how fornication began!
Normally before a young man and woman can start intimacy both families will be introduced so that the young man and woman will be thoroughly screened before the parents will give their consent, but due to the beauty, eloquence, intelligence and riches those guys possessed the young women were eager to have them so sexual immorality became prevalent and ever since then all virtuous protocols were broken till today!

Though God destroyed that generation with flood leaving Noah and his children but the deed has been done so it's no more a taboo for a girl to give her body willingly to a man without being married!

___________________RESULT!

Desperation entered into the world because young women are giving their bodies to men at will, the same also applies to the women so both men and women are looking for the things to entice one another into mating secretly.
The more material possessions you're able to acquire more opposite sex are attracted to you, this is why everyone became desperate for money, fame and position!
So all the evil perpetrated globally today are attached either to riches, fame or position but in the beginning SEXUAL IMMORALITY was the root cause of it all. That's why Paul when the Holy Spirit inspired him to list the things God detests the first thing the Holy Spirit mentioned is FORNICATION! Galatians 5:19
If every man and woman should stick to one mate the tension in the world will reduce drastically!
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

BigBashiru:
the verse u hv quoted supports my argument. he had 10 girls but "went not in unto them"(meaning didn't sleep with them).... he was doing holy holy.... instead of taking one of the 10 as a new wife he went for another man's wife...thats holy holy + scarcity mentality

Listen to yourself?
The verse I quoted support your argument, the argument you argued blindly.
Read the Bible and understand, you won't, and here you are posting and commenting trash, talking about supporting your argument.
Have you checked to see why he did what he did?

See the reason why he shut his 10 concubines in here, and stop arguing blindly:


2 Samuel 16 (KJV)
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¹⁵ And Absalom, and all the people the men of Israel, came to Jerusalem, and Ahithophel with him.
¹⁶ And it came to pass, when Hushai the Archite, David's friend, was come unto Absalom, that Hushai said unto Absalom, God save the king, God save the king.
¹⁷ And Absalom said to Hushai, Is this thy kindness to thy friend? why wentest thou not with thy friend?
¹⁸ And Hushai said unto Absalom, Nay; but whom the LORD, and this people, and all the men of Israel, choose, his will I be, and with him will I abide.
¹⁹ And again, whom should I serve? should I not serve in the presence of his son? as I have served in thy father's presence, so will I be in thy presence.
²⁰ Then said Absalom to Ahithophel, Give counsel among you what we shall do.
²¹ And Ahithophel said unto Absalom, Go in unto thy father's concubines, which he hath left to keep the house; and all Israel shall hear that thou art abhorred of thy father: then shall the hands of all that are with thee be strong.
²² So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.
²³ And the counsel of Ahithophel, which he counselled in those days, was as if a man had enquired at the oracle of God: so was all the counsel of Ahithophel both with David and with Absalom.

Now, do you understand?

MaxInDHouse:
All you need is to study the Bible with God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) if you're sincere {Zephaniah 2:2-3} and not the type who often follow the crowd in doing evil {Exodus 23:1-3} you will understand why God detests sexual immorality! Galatians 5:19

Let's enlighten ourselves a little!
From the beginning Sex supposed to be intimacy between two persons of opposite sex, both of them must be known in the society as man and wife so whatever goes on between the two (in the cover) is no man's business.
But a time came when some angels felt they're missing something, they decided to leave their dwelling places and duties in heaven, came down, put on materialised bodies and started mating with female humans {Genesis 6:1,2,4} this was the first time those girls will see young vibrant and highly intelligent guys who have everything a woman wants so they gave themselves freely without knowing where these genius came from.
That was how fornication began!
Normally before a young man and woman can start intimacy both families will be introduced so that the young man and woman will be thoroughly screened before the parents will give their consent, but due to the beauty, eloquence, intelligence and riches those guys possessed the young women were eager to have them so sexual immorality became prevalent and ever since then all virtuous protocols were broken till today!

Though God destroyed that generation with flood leaving Noah and his children but the deed has been done so it's no more a taboo for a girl to give her body willingly to a man without being married!

___________________RESULT!

Desperation entered into the world because young women are giving their bodies to men at will, the same also applies to the women so the both men and women are looking for the things to entice one another into mating secretly.
The more material possessions you're able to acquire more opposite sex are attracted to you, this is why everyone became desperate for money, fame and position!
So all the evil perpetrated globally today are attached either to riches, fame or position but in the beginning SEXUAL IMMORALITY was the root cause and it all. That's why Paul when the Holy Spirit inspired him to list the things God detests the first thing the Holy Spirit mentioned is FORNICATION! Galatians 5:19
If every man and woman should stick to one mate the tension in the world will reduce drastically!
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

This spiritual milk is sweet.

Ayo081:
This spiritual milk is sweet.

Good afternoon brother!

BigBashiru:
8. The Bible says woman is a help meet. That's God's INTENTION. How many Christian men have taken this to heart only to be disappointed when girls don't perform this role.... the truth is that the vast majority of women aren't help meets to poor men but are only help meets to middle class men or to wealthy men. they don't want poor men regardless of how born again the poor man is!

A woman being a help meet to a man is conditional upon what she's getting in return....

And also regardless of how born again they claim to be (the women)

sharpwriter:
And also regardless of how born again they claim to be (the women)

The idea of a woman loving a man unconditionally has nothing to do with the Bible, but instead the desires and lust of men. Just as a man conditionally loves a woman so also women conditionally love their men....even a child's love for his/her parents is conditional - it it a human condition. So why a supposed grown up man would believe women were programmed to love him unconditionally is beyond me.

Kobojunkie:
The idea of a woman loving a man unconditionally has nothing to do with the Bible, but instead the desires and lust of men. Just as a man conditionally loves a woman so also women conditionally love their men....even a child's love for his/her parents is conditional - it it a human condition. So why a supposed grown up man would believe women were programmed to love him unconditionally is beyond me.

Sharrap! I wasn't talking to you.

sharpwriter:
Sharrap! I wasn't talking to you.

I am.

BigBashiru:
Ha no oh I wont go as far as calling the bible thrash - its the Word of the Living God. Though I have made mistakes following it, they are mistakes I can recover from.... and the mistakes are from our interpretation of it (often wrong messages by overzealous pastors) and not from the Bible itself.

The Bible is great and God is great! Jesus is amazing!

But there are faults in the belief system stemming from human error in interpreting the bible that needs to be addressed.

This is the thing about religion, they always exonerate the religion or god they worship n blame themselves for the bullshit that happens.

This is called toxic relationship.

If u look at it well u will find out most of u are having a toxic relationship with ur god.

So because some biblical men fell into the sin of killing and adultery, you wish to emulate their mistakes, instead of taking correction?......It speaks volumes of who you are.

"All scriptures are given by the inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"2nd Tim. 3:16. If you so much wish to emulate such, would you be able to pay the kind of price David paid, to still be able to remain God's friend? How did Solomon end in his old age? Was his heart still with God? How about Samson? Hagar almost ruined Abraham's marriage, but Abraham had enquired from God how to handle the situation, despite that Sarah caused it.

If you don't have contentment as a virtue, maybe you should pray for it, God made Eve for Adam, and Bible says a man shall leave his parents and cleave to his wife. It is only lust that makes you not to be content with one wife.

You misquoted the book of Proverbs which says "rejoice in the wife of your youth". The Bible here is clearly talking about the "youthfulness" of the husband, not the wife. You can't be an old or mature guy, yet you go and be disturbing young girls, they will hunt for your money and cheat on you with their age mates, if you are very rich, they can marry you just for money. Which young lady of today needs an old man. That's why you will say women are bad, they are not helpmeet. How can someone who reasons like you expect to end with a young beautiful decent young woman
Even a born again beautiful young woman might change into a bad wife if she marries an irresponsible man, Bible says ""hell hath no furry than a woman scorned". If you don't find women above 20s attractive, other men are choosing women in their 30s to marry, so speak for yourself alone, you think all the men marrying ladies b/w 28-35-40s didn't date younger ladies? Maybe this thread was a joke

BigBashiru:
suppression of human sexuality.

1. David was over doing christianity, if he had actually relaxed and had not been obsessed with monogamy, he would not have been cursed by God.

2. My opinion - The bible paints a deceitful picture of women as far as relationships are concerned - for example Proverbs says "rejoice in the wife of your youth"...this paints a picture of young women wanting to settle down... but the truth is that the vast majority of women only wanna settle down in their mid to late 20s after they have had their fun.[/b]

3. [b]at the age most women wanna marry they have lost quite a bit of their attractiveness - so a woman marrying at 29 wont help me contain anything. I would still be lusting after university students (cant help it - its biology) after Ive married her unless she is among those that really took care of her body [/b]well.

You don't understand what you read, lust is having sexual feelings towards the wrong person. You should only have feelings to the one you are married to.

BigBashiru:
4. The Bible calls sexual attraction lust and there is no clear line... the implication is that most christian guys are afraid of having feelings for a woman lest they commit "lust".

So what stops you from making a difference? Mind you, we still have people who got married without messing around, though I agree that in our world of today, in the process of searching for the right partner, many have messed up.

BigBashiru:
5. Marriage is a joke because the guys getting married have bleeped around and the girls too have fukked around before going down the isle pretending to be saints lol.

Why didn't he change church? Did anyone tye him up to marry from deeper life? Matcheeww

BigBashiru:
na im not a blasphemer - I refer you to a recent thread of a 35 year old deeper life man that was ruined by judeo christian regulations who is still single - because the church placed heavy regulations on dating/ relationships - .

Lies, many women support their homes financially. Many are still marrying poor guys every Saturday. Keep deceiving yourself

BigBashiru:
8. the truth is that the vast majority of women aren't help meets to poor men but are only help meets to middle class men or to wealthy men. they don't want poor men regardless of how born again the poor man is!