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rvp2018:
Gov budget doesnt mean you have a private sector that is thriving enough to create jobs.
If you did Joburg would look like a typical upper middle income country - Turkeys, China, Brazil, Indonesia, Thailand, etc
Today your Africa exclude Egypt that does 550Kgs per bag.
Kenya is at 160kgs per person

But the time you've lost picture debate - and go into data like poor Ghana - then you're down and out indeed.

Lol South Africa builds 2 million m² space in two years, that takes Kenya 100 years... And you say SA is dead?

Who has said there is comparison - south africa is ahead of kenya is nearly all things - but at least in terms of tall building - soon you'll be coming to Nairobi to marvel at them - I doubt you can afford to go further than that.

Kenya as whole is 15yrs from South Africa - Nairobi 10yrs from joburg - all this based on the current trends - where kenya is developing very fast and south africa is basically stuck,

AfriqueDuZuid:
Lol this should not even be a debate.... We have a Kenyan in South Africa who's from Nairobi she has already , talked much on this

Marwa spoke on this

Trudy spoke on this

Even a teenager who relocated to SA will tell you much, there's no comparison here

Abohboy:
Yeah very soon Pretoria and Johannesburg are likely to merge into a singular mega city the gap in land that used to lie between them is quickly being filled up by residential and commercial units

EKURULENI metro used to be part of Johannesburg but because it had its own development and economic grown it was made its own metro enchoerd by (Springs, germiston, benoni, Kempton park), for better management

Shma2020:
Jorburg is not building any viaduct road as we're speaking - Nairobi is building 4 different viaduct roads.

Jorburg is not constructing any 30+ fls as we speak. Nairobi is construction 12, 34fls - not including GTC. Those are grand projects that only Egyptian new cities can rival at the moment.

Nairobi is building one of the biggest museum in Africa, mashujaa park. Nairobi has just topped out 6 GTC 43fls, 37fls, 33fls, 31fls, 30fls, 30fls modern apartments and finishing is underway.

If you could reason with evidence, everything will be alright my nigga

Joburg doesn't need to construct any viaduct because the infrastructure needed is already there Nairobi actually needs a viaduct by your stance Nairobi is better then London because no viaduct is beign built in London how does that argument even make sense?

Joburg already has massive museums like MuseuMAfrica or the apartheid museum both are likely bigger then whatever is being built in Nairobi

Nairobi is still building lots becauss there is still a need for it currently for the most part Sandton is done building new highrises unless plans for Kgoro Central next to Sandton City follow through

And even with all those in terms of standards of living, infrastructure, transport etc. Nairobi still won't compare to Joburg anytime soon it's fine to be optimistic but at this rate you're just exaggerating what isn't real

I'm sure the majority of folks have never heard of TSMC. It is today's most important corporation. Forget about other tech firms; tsmc is at the top of the heap. It's a Taiwanese firm with which China is prepared to go to war.

rvp2018:
Who has said there is comparison - south africa is ahead of kenya is nearly all things - but at least in terms of tall building - soon you'll be coming to Nairobi to marvel at them - I doubt you can afford to go further than that.

Kenya as whole is 15yrs from South Africa - Nairobi 10yrs from joburg - all this based on the current trends - where kenya is developing very fast and south africa is basically stuck,

Kenya would need 20 - 30 years at current growth to catch up to South Africa
Nairobi would need 15 years minimum to catch up with Joburg
And this estimates are only for if these places stagnate unless growth like China or the Asian tigers is experienced Kenya has no chance let's be real

mtisTheQubit:
I'm sure the majority of folks have never heard of TSMC. It is today's most important corporation. Forget about other tech firms; tsmc is at the top of the heap. It's a Taiwanese firm with which China is prepared to go to war.

They're the ones who make majority of the worlds chips right? I'm surprised China hasn't been able to fully replicate their designs yet shouldn't be that difficult right

rvp2018:
Who has said there is comparison - south africa is ahead of kenya is nearly all things - but at least in terms of tall building - soon you'll be coming to Nairobi to marvel at them - I doubt you can afford to go further than that.

Kenya as whole is 15yrs from South Africa - Nairobi 10yrs from joburg - all this based on the current trends - where kenya is developing very fast and south africa is basically stuck,

Lol but tall buildings are no measuring stick

After all many European cities don't have tall buildings, yet they are developed and way advanced, ever wondered why USA no longer build tall mega building?

Abohboy:
Kenya would need 20 - 30 years at current growth to catch up to South Africa
Nairobi would need 15 years minimum to catch up with Joburg
And this estimates are only for if these places stagnate unless growth like China or the Asian tigers is experienced Kenya has no chance let's be real

Kenya just need 10 or 15 years..trust me...

Abohboy:
They're the ones who make majority of the worlds chips right? I'm surprised China hasn't been able to fully replicate their designs yet shouldn't be that difficult right

Intellectual property

Abohboy:
They're the ones who make majority of the worlds chips right? I'm surprised China hasn't been able to fully replicate their designs yet shouldn't be that difficult right

Designing is another an fabrications is a different thing all together ..tsmc dont design they manufacture..apple ,amd an others design but tsmc manufacture..

mtisTheQubit:
Kenya just need 10 or 15 years..trust me...

Nope they'll need a lot more if South Africa continues to grow in the past three years I can tell you there are about 5 new massive buildings in Sandton you have
Leonardo
Beehive building
A law firm building next to the beehive building
Discovery
Sasol

And those are only the ones I can remember off of my head I promise you South Africa hasn't stagnated and is unlikely to do so anytime soon Nairobi catching up with Joburg in the time frame you've given is only possible if Joburg stagnates

Development or growth is not linear.
Yes Kenya is about to enter into Asia tigers kind of growth -
Kenya has been getting all the pre-condition for high growth nailed.
Next is to basically leapfrog.
That is why I think Nairobi will do it even faster than 10yrs - maybe 7yrs - and country definitely 15yrs.

Abohboy:
Kenya would need 20 - 30 years at current growth to catch up to South Africa
Nairobi would need 15 years minimum to catch up with Joburg
And this estimates are only for if these places stagnate unless growth like China or the Asian tigers is experienced Kenya has no chance let's be real

mtisTheQubit:
Designing is another an fabrications is a different thing all together ..tsmc dont design they manufacture..apple ,amd an others design but tsmc manufacture..

Yes I know but what's stopping China from getting their hands on the chips and manufacturing each component as they've done with most other products like cars for example

AfriqueDuZuid:
Intellectual property

China dont have facility to manufacture chips..even huawei HiSilicon Kirin chip is manufactured by tsmc...so if one blew up that company the world will stop

rvp2018:
Development or growth is not linear.
Yes Kenya is about to enter into Asia tigers kind of growth -
Kenya has been getting all the pre-condition for high growth nailed.
Next is to basically leapfrog.
That is why I think Nairobi will do it even faster than 10yrs - maybe 7yrs - and country definitely 15yrs.

I haven't read anywhere from any financial advisor or expert or any economic news channel that Kenya is about to experience growth like the Asian tigers so I seriously doubt your claims unless you can bring a few sources that share the same sentiment if not then I consider this an ambitious guess at the least

Abohboy:
Joburg doesn't need to construct any viaduct because the infrastructure needed is already there Nairobi actually needs a viaduct by your stance Nairobi is better then London because no viaduct is beign built in London how does that argument even make sense?

Joburg already has massive museums like MuseuMAfrica or the apartheid museum both are likely bigger then whatever is being built in Nairobi

Nairobi is still building lots becauss there is still a need for it currently for the most part Sandton is done building new highrises unless plans for Kgoro Central next to Sandton City follow through

And even with all those in terms of standards of living, infrastructure, transport etc. Nairobi still won't compare to Joburg anytime soon it's fine to be optimistic but at this rate you're just exaggerating what isn't real

Many people look it old Johannesburg as a measuring stick but Johannesburg has long moved from tall buildings.

It has been expanding northward and east, every time asks for Johannesburg they show old Johannesburg(hillbrow, braam etc)

Johannesburg is building social, entertainment and green spaces neighborhoods.... That's what happening in most cities that were build like Johannesburg.

Cities like Madrid, Barcelona, Amsterdam they focus on liveable spaces

That is just one project in kenya. Like GTC building six tall buildings at once.
For example Rivers Estate are putting 9 - 34 floors buildings - that is just 2,000 units. Nairobi in next 2-3yrs will add 67,000 units in gov land - and more than 200,000 units by private sector.

Look at Two Rivers - the number of 15 floors building coming up there - already all booked - are more than 10-20.

The entire Nairobi is one huge construction site.

And it's just about started.

Abohboy:
Nope they'll need a lot more if South Africa continues to grow in the past three years I can tell you there are about 5 new massive buildings in Sandton you have
Leonardo
Beehive building
A law firm building next to the beehive building
Discovery
Sasol

And those are only the ones I can remember off of my head I promise you South Africa hasn't stagnated and is unlikely to do so anytime soon Nairobi catching up with Joburg in the time frame you've given is only possible if Joburg stagnates

Abohboy:
Yes I know but what's stopping China from getting their hands on the chips and manufacturing each component as they've done with most other products like cars for example

Their tech is really ahead of time..the only company close is sumsang...bythe way the ultraviolet lithography theyuse is only sourced from just one compny based in europe an U.S cant allow China to have those machines.China has poured lot of achine of ths but its not working

Nairobi: The fastest city on the planet?

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/nairobi-fastest-city-africa/index.html

CNN Richard Quest travels the world - and he could not exclaim - and say - NAIROBI is WORLD FASTEST GROWING CITY.

Anyone who comes to Nairobi reguraly cannot help but exclaim “Nairobi is a Big Construction Site”

Abohboy:
I haven't read anywhere from any financial advisor or expert or any economic news channel that Kenya is about to experience growth like the Asian tigers so I seriously doubt your claims unless you can bring a few sources that share the same sentiment if not then I consider this an ambitious guess at the least

Abohboy:
So being an activist for others rights and fighting against A-historical views somehow makes me gay? Does that mean Essien is gay? I said this before I don't care what the topic is no matter how crude or disgusting it is if that topic is against historical, cultural and religious evidence of any African culture i've studied then I will argue against it I may be wrong I will not lie but so far I haven't been given any sources or evidence to counter my claims and i'm sure my sources are reputable enough for me to trust them but as always I stand to be corrected

I've been following this thread for a while and all I can is that.... Look man, you've done your best to educate the ignorant but western indoctrination have so blinded them with hate that they believe homosexuality to be a foreign concept. Just live them to wallow in their ignorance. An homophobe will never agree homosexuality was present in Africa before the advent of the west no matter how much evidence is thrown at them

Abohboy:
Joburg doesn't need to construct any viaduct because the infrastructure needed is already there Nairobi actually needs a viaduct by your stance Nairobi is better then London because no viaduct is beign built in London how does that argument even make sense?

Joburg already has massive museums like MuseuMAfrica or the apartheid museum both are likely bigger then whatever is being built in Nairobi

Nairobi is still building lots becauss there is still a need for it currently for the most part Sandton is done building new highrises unless plans for Kgoro Central next to Sandton City follow through

And even with all those in terms of standards of living, infrastructure, transport etc. Nairobi still won't compare to Joburg anytime soon it's fine to be optimistic but at this rate you're just exaggerating what isn't real

Kenyans are like Rwandese

They projest it like it's this massive things wait until you actually visit it.

I also agree. Homesexuality existed in Africa. In my culture it was known and practised by some folks.

Flamemignon1:
I've been following this thread for a while and all I can is that.... Look man, you've done your best to educate the ignorant but western indoctrination have so blinded them with hate that they believe homosexuality to be a foreign concept. Just live them to wallow in their ignorance. An homophobe will never agree homosexuality was present in Africa before the advent of the west no matter how much evidence is thrown at them

Pictures speak? Videos? What will change when you visit?

AfriqueDuZuid:
Kenyans are like Rwandese

They projest it like it's this massive things wait until you actually visit it.

Dont compare yourself with developed countries. After you have developed, eliminated all the slums, dealt with housing deficit, then you can talk about gentrification.

South Africa is like Latin America - stuck in a middle class trap.

Many countries never get out of it - unless they invest heavily in education.

You're neither developed or developing - you're in no mans land - not poor - not rich - and most importantly not moving forward.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Many people look it old Johannesburg as a measuring stick but Johannesburg has long moved from tall buildings.

It has been expanding northward and east, every time asks for Johannesburg they show old Johannesburg(hillbrow, braam etc)

Johannesburg is building social, entertainment and green spaces neighborhoods.... That's what happening in most cities that were build like Johannesburg.

Cities like Madrid, Barcelona, Amsterdam they focus on liveable spaces

rvp2018:
That is just one project in kenya. Like GTC building six tall buildings at once.
For example Rivers Estate are putting 9 - 34 floors buildings - that is just 2,000 units. Nairobi in next 2-3yrs will add 67,000 units in gov land - and more than 200,000 units by private sector.

Look at Two Rivers - the number of 15 floors building coming up there - already all booked - are more than 10-20.

The entire Nairobi is one huge construction site.

And it's just about started.

I dare you to travel to Johannesburg

rvp2018:
I also agree. Homesexuality existed in Africa. In my culture it was known and practised by some folks.

The issue is not about existence but did your society condone such act..was it a norm in your society...People used to murder others but did society condone such act...

Abohboy:
It definitely isn't a recent word and the word also refers to those doing it from man to man and yes there are concepts of lesbian sex mainly for ritual purposes concerning Osun or Oya

LGBTQ isn't considered taboo in Yoruba or Igbo culture

Please give me the part of the Odu Ifa where there is a logical warning

Because I have personally talked with two Babalawos and they've both said there's nothing against homosexuality in the odu ifa and they were there and were able to practice in the past in fact they even had a special name I forgot what exactly the babalawo called it I had it on my old twitter account but it was shutdown

well, the word adofuro remain open as the word is not specific. so biased people can find it attractive to misuse it and misapply it in anyway that suits them.

But the honest truth is , it is a new Yoruba Grammer. The word actually means he who has sex thru anus, in this essence , we know the word does not represent or qualify a woman, it is surely a man, cus naturally, it is only man who can penetrate. ""A do"" literally the act of penetration and " furo " the anus and her area . So in the morphemes, it is ""adufuro" he who penetrate the anus.

No part of the 256 odu ifa emphasised on lesbians or LGBT . It is unfortunate to include what is not part of Yoruba traditions into it. Ifa is silent about it, it doesn't mean it tolerate it.

Stop reading too much meaning into foreign babalawo. They even need education.

Odu iwosun owurin/ elerin emphasised on the benefit of sleeping with a woman as a man. You can take a read .

Abohboy:
Joburg doesn't need to construct any viaduct because the infrastructure needed is already there Nairobi actually needs a viaduct by your stance Nairobi is better then London because no viaduct is beign built in London how does that argument even make sense?

Joburg already has massive museums like MuseuMAfrica or the apartheid museum both are likely bigger then whatever is being built in Nairobi

Nairobi is still building lots becauss there is still a need for it currently for the most part Sandton is done building new highrises unless plans for Kgoro Central next to Sandton City follow through

And even with all those in terms of standards of living, infrastructure, transport etc. Nairobi still won't compare to Joburg anytime soon it's fine to be optimistic but at this rate you're just exaggerating what isn't real

Your trepidation is irredeemable. You're just arguing for argument sake. It's better you understand the root of all this before you bring in your controversial opinion.

The bone of contention was Nairobi catching up with jorburg. You just proved my previous point that jorburg is dormant. Nairobi is growing at a fast rate and thus, it will only take less than 8yrs for Nairobi to catch up & even overtake jorburg on horizontal infrastructure. In vertical, whether you're building or not, Nairobi has already catch up. And with the construction boom of skyscrapers in Nairobi, I don't see if jorburg can stand Nairobi in vertical infrastructure 5yrs to come.

My guy. You're confused. I never said mashujaa park museum will be the biggest in africa. It will be among the biggest if not the biggest - comprehend this point before coming up with another contradicting opinion. We're talking about growth rate and when they will interject. It's not about jorburg vs Nairobi. For now jorburg is ahead - in eight yrs, jorburg will be dead.

Your last paragraph rings ignorance. No one is comparing Nairobi with jorburg of today. Horizontal infrastructure which you're talking about was tackled already by me & jln115.

Why do you want to condone or not private matters btw two people? There was a word for it. That tells me it existed. Women-on-women marriage definitely was recognised but not sexually. There was no lesbianism. But gayism or homesexuals existed.

Nearly all kenyan males who have gone to prisons are also sexually molested and most come out gays - I guess

mtisTheQubit:
The issue is not about existence but did your society condone such act..was it a norm in your society...People used to murder others but did society condone such act...

rvp2018:
Dont compare yourself with developed countries. After you have developed, eliminated all the slums, dealt with housing deficit, then you can talk about gentrification.

South Africa is like Latin America - stuck in a middle class trap.

Many countries never get out of it - unless they invest heavily in education.

You're neither developed or developing - you're in no mans land - not poor - not rich - and most importantly not moving forward.

You see South Africa will not experience a population boom, Kenya will do theres a need to build those tall buildings

Johannesburg experienced a population boom in 60s 70s that's why there was a need for those flats

Pretoria not so much, it built living green spaces,

It's only it's no longer logically to deny the super tall structures anymore - unless you're Ghanian - otherwise they would deny nairobi is growing - the skyscrappers are sticking out like sore thumbs to them - and I tell you Nairobi is about just started.

Shma2020:
Your trepidation is irredeemable. You're just arguing for argument sake. It's better you understand the root of all this before you bring in your controversial opinion.

The bone of contention was Nairobi catching up with jorburg. You just proved my previous point that jorburg is dormant. Nairobi is growing at a fast rate and thus, it will only take less than 8yrs for Nairobi to catch up & even overtake jorburg on horizontal infrastructure. In vertical, whether you're building or not, Nairobi has already catch up. And with the construction boom of skyscrapers in Nairobi, I don't see if jorburg can stand Nairobi in vertical infrastructure 5yrs to come.

My guy. You're confused. I never said mashujaa park museum will be the biggest in africa. It will be among the biggest if not the biggest - comprehend this point before coming up with another contradicting opinion. We're talking about growth rate and when they will interject. It's not about jorburg vs Nairobi. For now jorburg is ahead - in eight yrs, jorburg will be dead.

Your last paragraph rings ignorance. No one is comparing Nairobi with jorburg of today. Horizontal infrastructure which you're talking about was tackled already by me & jln115.