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AfriqueDuZuid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RTrpVytHb8

Check this also, where she says Harare is just like Nairobi, 2nd min

Wait while I'm trying to locate the vid she said harere is better planned and organized

Mr. I want you to post where she said Harare is more organized and well planned than Nairobi. Stop wasting my time.

vaxx:
This is baseless by the way.

You can't used road side discussion or beer parlor talk on this kind of topuc

No beer parlor and no road side this guy Baba Yooba is very famous as a babalawo online and he recently acquired a massive plot of land to build a beffiting shrine for the practice of Ifa same way you have your massive cathedrals he plans on starting same in Nigeria and i've read a lot about his opinions and practices and you'll see that he is legit

And when I asked him what Ifa's views on homosexuality was he said nothing it doesn't condemn it, doesn't mention it and certainly doesn't praise it, it just allows to exist as normal and that is the same thing that we should be doing and not trying to makeit seem like it was taboo in the past when it clearly wasn't

vaxx:
This baseless, An important topic as this will have warrant a concrete information for everyone of us.

justify your statement by providing an evidence. Provide us evidence in one odu Ifa that agree with you.

I'm asking you to admit you were wrong is that so difficult? I'm 15 many years younger then you but if i'm wrong in an argument then i'm wrong and I can admit that why is it so diffuclt for you to admit that you don't know the whole odu ifa?

And I revised my statement of homosexuality being in the odu ifa accordingly with the conversations i've had with a babalawo who clearly told me that it has no stance doesn't condemn it, acknowledge it or praise it, he said that means it was there and they were allowed to do whatever and there was nothing against them doing said act whatsoever in any religious text

Since you asked me to provide evidence and i've admitted there's no evidence let's see if you can admit that there is no evidence of taboo against homosexuality in yoruba folklore or religion I bet you can't find any verse or story and if you do it's likely made up on the spot by you

This is the kind of news we need and already companies have began buying this if we can continue with projects like this we cann reduce our carbon emissions and beautify our cities at once just hope a visionary government comes in and patronizes these workers cause this is amazing

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/new-type-black-gold-nigeria-used-car-tyres-2021-10-07/

This is also for SufferINSmilin who believes all Nigeria is poverty and all of them are idiots would a nation of idiots recycle old tires piling up in landfills and polluting the country into pavement works?

Abohboy:
I'm asking you to admit you were wrong is that so difficult? I'm 15 many years younger then you but if i'm wrong in an argument then i'm wrong and I can admit that why is it so diffuclt for you to admit that you don't know the whole odu ifa?

And I revised my statement of homosexuality being in the odu ifa accordingly with the conversations i've had with a babalawo who clearly told me that it has no stance doesn't condemn it, acknowledge it or praise it, he said that means it was there and they were allowed to do whatever and there was nothing against them doing said act whatsoever in any religious text

Since you asked me to provide evidence and i've admitted there's no evidence let's see if you can admit that there is no evidence of taboo against homosexuality in yoruba folklore or religion I bet you can't find any verse or story and if you do it's likely made up on the spot by you

you speak too many gibberish. Who cares if you are younger than me. Fact isn't about age , it is about evidence.

None of my write up has claim there exist evidence from odu ifa suggesting the approval or disapproval of homosexuality. The evidence I have are from contemporary Yoruba who perceived it to be irrational , taboo and immoral ..

I only suggest there exist an odu ifa who assume that sleeping with women as a man is more beneficial. In logical stand , we can deduce the ifa is logically against homosexuality, although the statement is open for a further scrutiny.

Abohboy:
No beer parlor and no road side this guy Baba Yooba is very famous as a babalawo online and he recently acquired a massive plot of land to build a beffiting shrine for the practice of Ifa same way you have your massive cathedrals he plans on starting same in Nigeria and i've read a lot about his opinions and practices and you'll see that he is legit

And when I asked him what Ifa's views on homosexuality was he said nothing it doesn't condemn it, doesn't mention it and certainly doesn't praise it, it just allows to exist as normal and that is the same thing that we should be doing and not trying to makeit seem like it was taboo in the past when it clearly wasn't

spare me the sermon.

Look like Tanzanian has won a Nobel prize

Abdulrazak Gurnah - wins literature 2021 Nobel.

That horrible. People need to respect other people wishes and desires. We only have one life. Live your life the best way your know and want.

Flamemignon1:
I wish my parents thought like you did but my dad's answer to coming out was hiring four hookers after drugging me while he watched them rape me one by one. Confronting the bastard later on, he said he was doing me a Favour and raping of men by women isn't rape

Boxing is big sport. Where do you come from? Killing someone of course is not. Gays are here to stay. The sooner Africans advanced their primitive mentality the better for them.

Discriminating or harassing someone because of their sexual orientation or gender identity is the purest form of stupidity if you ask me.

Just like it took Africa and middle east sometime to advance their thinking; this map will eventually turn all blue
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/LGBT_rights_at_the_UN_%282011%29.svg/530px-LGBT_rights_at_the_UN_%282011%29.svg.png

vaxx:
stupid man, it is like saying "Why is fighting illegal", even if both opponents consent to it? Do you suspect the same argument you provide here can be used to invalidate the legality of making mutual combat a crime?


I think you should look at it base on fact rather than law....

vaxx:
Your excuses is so much .




The unique Truth, You can't position a flawed statement as a fact not even when you don't have evidence. Where is your evidence in Ifa or Yoruba folklore ?

No folklore history nor any existing ifa statement position your assertions.they are simply based on your ignorance.and if I am mistaing, provide one you know that we are not aware of .

stop arguing such stuff with him
just tell him to show you where an homosexual wedding was done in Yorubaland

we all know weddings are celebration of marriage

Some of these stuff is beyond your paygrade.
There is nothing wrong with population.
In fact bigger population is good - the problem is the structure.
And that is what I am talking about.
You got to see the age-sex cohort.
You want a population that has a lot of working people (15-65yrs) - and very few dependents (kids and old people).
More working people - mean they generate more wealth - and less dependants to feed, school, clothes - mean they save more.
More wealth - more savings - when you scale - propel a nation forward.
And very fast.
It's called demographic dividend.
For a country to reach there - they have to transition to low birth - like Southern African countires already did - South Africa/Botswana/Namibia

Now at that point - bigger population is better than smaller - see China.
Because the scale - of working population in generating wealth - and saving - is MASSIVE.
The opposite is true if you're like Nigeria - where kids are more than working population
In china - the grandparents and the parents - 4 people - are taking care of 1 kid. That multiply wealth.
In Nigeria - two parent is taking care of 8 kids plus two old parents. That is like 10 kids. That multiply poverty. All the money goes into buying food.

Kenya is at the cusp of it. A few more years...and fertility will drop below 2 percent.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Check by 2030 Kenya population would have surpassied that of South Africa

Mkenya2019:
Boxing is big sport. Where do you come from? Killing someone of course is not. Gays are here to stay. The sooner Africans advanced their primitive mentality the better for them.

Discriminating or harassing someone because of their sexual orientation or gender identity is the purest form of stupidity if you ask me.

Just like it took Africa and middle east sometime to advance their thinking; this map will eventually turn all blue
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/LGBT_rights_at_the_UN_%282011%29.svg/530px-LGBT_rights_at_the_UN_%282011%29.svg.png

is Saudi Arabia not a major US ally?

why can't they preach LGBT to the prince?

Saudi Arabia will become blue before Nigeria will
and you know it's impossible for Saudi Arabia to become blue

Preach LGBT? How? Calling for recognition of universal human rights, include the right to sexual orientation and gender identity, is not preaching. Nobody has started concerts to encourage kids or anyone to be gay.

We all know there are thousands of gays in Africa - and nobody came and told them to be gays. Gays have always been there and will always be there...even in those muslim world...you can find male prostitute being picked by male muslim...right in the streets.

In mombasa kenya - muslim town - there are many male prostitutes - openly selling anal sex -on the streets like Nigeria Ashawos all over the world. Their major client - not europeans - but muslims arab men.

Most people who opposes gays - are actually closet gays. They think banning gays will stop their sexual urge to be gays - embrace your gayism - and be happy. Otherwise if you were truly straight - you wont have problem with gays.

Most muslim actually are prolific gays - because the only way to preserve virginity on their girls - is anal sex. Their unmarried women will not accept to vaginal sex because they will be tested during wedding - so they start with anal sex - and their men become prolific gays.

theTranscriber:
is Saudi Arabia not a major US ally?

why can't they preach LGBT to the prince?

Saudi Arabia will become blue before Nigeria will
and you know it's impossible for Saudi Arabia to become blue

Mkenya2019:
Preach LGBT? How? Calling for recognition of universal human rights, include the right to sexual orientation and gender identity, is not preaching. Nobody has started concerts to encourage kids or anyone to be gay.

We all know there are thousands of gays in Africa - and nobody came and told them to be gays. Gays have always been there and will always be there...even in those muslim world...you can find male prostitute being picked by male muslim.

don't you ever mix homosexuality with human rights

if you really want to uphold human rights
tell France to stop sucking francophone African countries dry
tell the US to stop killing and frustrating blacks

people are dying all over the world you're talking about two people playing with their bodies
the west keep dehumanizing refugees
where's the right to life?


human rights my foot

I agree. It's not a priority in Africa considering so many other human rights violation. Gays are going to be fine either way. Passing a law discriminating gays is most of time useless. The gays will still be gays. How do you proof they are gay unless you're a little fly in their bedroom.
How do you proof two men living in one room - are not come-we-stay gay marriage.

Fighting LGBT is fighting nature. It impossible.

Look at that muslim map - and tell me who has more anal sex than a muslim. NOBODY. Those primitives to preserve their female genitally multilated women for marriage choose to engage in anal sex from teen years. Get a muslim woman now - and she will prefer anal sex - because vaginal sex is for their husband only. The men get used to anal sex and they started picking on other men.

They just oppose gayism because they cannot face their demons and their double life.

theTranscriber:
don't you ever mix homosexuality with human rights

if you really want to uphold human rights
tell France to stop sucking francophone African countries dry
tell the US to stop killing and frustrating blacks

people are dying all over the world you're talking about two people playing with their bodies
the west keep dehumanizing refugees
where's the right to life?


human rights my foot

Mkenya2019:
I agree. It's not a priority in Africa considering so many other human rights violation. Gays are going to be fine either way. Passing a law discriminating gays is most of time useless. The gays will still be gays. How do you proof they are gay unless you're a little fly in their bedroom.
How do you proof two men living in one room - are not come-we-stay gay marriage.

Fighting LGBT is fighting nature. It impossible.

Look at that muslim map - and tell me who has more anal sex than a muslim. NOBODY. Those primitives to preserve their female genitally multilated women for marriage choose to engage in anal sex from teen years. Get a muslim woman now - and she will prefer anal sex - because vaginal sex is for their husband only. The men get used to anal sex and they started picking on other men.

They just oppose gayism because they cannot face their demons and their double life.

can you tell me why polygamy is illegal in your "civilised west"?

answer this

rvp2018:
I think it cogent debate; It about human rights; and most advanced and progressive countries like South Africa - allows it and also same sex-marriage.

Kenya should do copy them. It's not a foreign concept.

Human rights are universal. We need to recognise the right for everyone to sexual orientation of their free choice.

Hello kiberan!
How many gays do u have in Kenya? Just give me a rough figure if u can't provide a real data

theTranscriber:
can you tell me why polygamy is illegal in your "civilised west"?

answer this

This analogy baffles me alot. The westerners want us to legalize homosexuality but when we talk of polygamous marriages, that's where they draw the line.

They want to employ their rules to africans - us. And trash our norms and culture. This nonsense should just stop. We as africans should stand up and refuse some nonsense imposed to us by this whites.

Shma2020:
This analogy baffles me alot. The westerners want us to legalize homosexuality but when we talk of polygamous marriages, that's where they draw the line.

They want to employ their rules to africans - us. And trash our norms and culture. This nonsense should just stop. We as africans should stand up and refuse some westerners behaviors.

it's just irritating when I see fellow africans like rvp defend such nonsense in the name of being 'woke' "civilised" "modern"

I'll take USA serious when they start preaching their stupid values to Saudi Arabia who is their main ally outside the west

bloody fools

Polygamy is illegal in Kenya if you married in civil or church wedding. It's called bigamy. If you married traditionally it's not.
If you're a christian - and marry as christian - bigamy is a crime.
I am sure in the western world - if you marry in another civil union - polygamy is perfectly legal


Kenya Marriage Act
According to the Marriage Act, Section 35, 49, and 50, polygamy is illegal. On the other hand, section 171 of the penal code states that bigamy is an offence.

theTranscriber:
can you tell me why polygamy is illegal in your "civilised west"?
answer this

Abohboy:
It definitely isn't a recent word and the word also refers to those doing it from man to man and yes there are concepts of lesbian sex mainly for ritual purposes concerning Osun or Oya

LGBTQ isn't considered taboo in Yoruba or Igbo culture

Please give me the part of the Odu Ifa where there is a logical warning

Because I have personally talked with two Babalawos and they've both said there's nothing against homosexuality in the odu ifa and they were there and were able to practice in the past in fact they even had a special name I forgot what exactly the babalawo called it I had it on my old twitter account but it was shutdown

I am totally confused with what you saying how can same-sex is used for ritual purposes

Tanzania has more muslims. I can hazard you have more gays. Almost every muslim is closet gay. I guess after getting used to tight anus - vaginal sex has no more kick But because Islam is a primitive violent religion; it's haram to admit it.

Kazikazi:
Hello kiberan!
How many gays do u have in Kenya? Just give me a rough figure if u can't provide a real data

There are many polygamous marriage in the west - it of course tough to find women who will agree to it - unlike in Africa where poverty is endemic - and women rights doesnt exist.

Bigamy is an offence against Christianity

Polygamy is allowed by African traditional societies and Islam.

You cannot be a Christian and want polygamy

Shma2020:
This analogy baffles me alot. The westerners want us to legalize homosexuality but when we talk of polygamous marriages, that's where they draw the line.

They want to employ their rules to africans - us. And trash our norms and culture. This nonsense should just stop. We as africans should stand up and refuse some nonsense imposed to us by this whites.

Abohboy:
You really think Europeans recorded everything they saw? And even if they did could they tell anything if they saw a women and a women or a man and a man together at any one time why would the assumption be of homosexuality? And where do you think the sources for Igbo female husbands comes from? It's from European scholars in terms of sex between man and man or woman and woman which is what i'm referrring to how are the Europeans expected to get access to such information?

And something that isn't frowned upon doesn't have to be widely practised does it? Homosexuality is a rare phenomenon not occuring for most people so why would it be widely practiced if it isn't naturally occuring for most?

I thought this trade was supposed to be about development. You are now entering a new dimension are we going to start arguing about same-sex marriage is now

mtisTheQubit:
The issue is not about existence but did your society condone such act..was it a norm in your society...People used to murder others but did society condone such act...

Now you know his stance

Flamemignon1:
I've been following this thread for a while and all I can is that.... Look man, you've done your best to educate the ignorant but western indoctrination have so blinded them with hate that they believe homosexuality to be a foreign concept. Just live them to wallow in their ignorance. An homophobe will never agree homosexuality was present in Africa before the advent of the west no matter how much evidence is thrown at them

Where from this ^pig^ too

Who is educating who here?
Is Christianity and Islamic the only religion that frowns on homosexuality? and who said here that homosexuality never happened in Africa before?

the act has been frown upon since and that's what we are trying to let you f^^ls know.. Homosexuality has never been accepted in African setting, and that's the fact.

Wrong is wrong whether you like it or not. Twerp

Mkenya2019:
Polygamy is illegal in Kenya if you married in civil or church wedding. It's called bigamy. If you married traditionally it's not.
If you're a christian - and marry as christian - bigamy is a crime.
I am sure in the western world - if you marry in another civil union - polygamy is perfectly legal


Kenya Marriage Act
According to the Marriage Act, Section 35, 49, and 50, polygamy is illegal. On the other hand, section 171 of the penal code states that bigamy is an offence.

Lol
Christainity frowns at polygamy but smiles at the 200 000 adolescent boys that Catholic priests have defiled

Everything should be done to remove such stupid law

Polygamy in any form is not legal in the main west countries
You can only have "one wife"

Mkenya2019:
Polygamy is illegal in Kenya if you married in civil or church wedding. It's called bigamy. If you married traditionally it's not.
If you're a christian - and marry as christian - bigamy is a crime.
I am sure in the western world - if you marry in another civil union - polygamy is perfectly legal


Kenya Marriage Act
According to the Marriage Act, Section 35, 49, and 50, polygamy is illegal. On the other hand, section 171 of the penal code states that bigamy is an offence.

Lol
Christainity frowns at polygamy but smiles at the 200 000 adolescent boys that Catholic priests have defiled in France (raping + sodomy + defiling a minor)

Everything should be done to remove such stupid law

Polygamy in any form is not legal in the main west countries
You can only have "one wife"

Guys let end the gay debate..it's an unAfrican an unnatural. It always leads to one an only one thing..distraction of a society.keep on fighting nature an bear the consequences .Rural Americans have seen their country changed in to something else.can't blame them..
What I know is that sex is not about love but dominance..so in a gay scenario it's a dude trying to dominate another dude..sic..hence the reason why some rich weirdos engage in ths. ya want to become a sissy an compete with the female species..good for you..but please stop wailing for acceptance..

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
I thought this trade was supposed to be about development. You are now entering a new dimension are we going to start arguing about same-sex marriage is now

My friend tell me the truth..are you really a gal way back I usually thought you are a man..but it's ok now..

Exactly - this is why you should let everyone live their life - catholic priest are closet gays - they leave all women - to be chaste - but in actual sense they want to get near altar boys - engage in gay sex - under the cover of christainity

If we allowed them to be openly gay - they wont be priests - they will be gays.

theTranscriber:
Lol
Christainity frowns at polygamy but smiles at the 200 000 adolescent boys that Catholic priests have defiled

Everything should be done to remove such stupid law

Polygamy in any form is not legal in the main west countries
You can only have "one wife"

Gays come in various form. There are versatile couples. They are bottom and top strictly. It just like life. We come in many shades. We need to embrace humans in their diversity. I pray your kids do not become gays - and youre a gay hater. What will you tell people? Accept gays, accept wierdos; you lose nothing; you gain nothing;

mtisTheQubit:
Guys let end the gay debate..it's an unAfrican an unnatural. It always leads to one an only one thing..distraction of a society.keep on fighting nature an bear the consequences .Rural Americans have seen their country changed in to something else.can't blame them..
What I know is that sex is not about love but dominance..so in a gay scenario it's a dude trying to dominate another dude..sic..hence the reason why some rich weirdos engage in ths. ya want to become a sissy an compete with the female species..good for you..but please stop wailing for acceptance..