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Shma:
Do you have comprehension problem? I told you it's upon them to prove that. You just stick to your shack and wait for them since it's their country to come and defend themselves.

You can't be making unverified, unchecked and unresearched statements. You can't

None of that is infrastructure.

Basic Infrastructure.
1) Piped water
2) Sewage
3) Paved roads
4) Electricity coverage
5) Railways

Secondary Infrastructure
1) Light rails
2) BRTS

Tertiary Infrastructure..

3)

We can do better comparison that way,

AfriqueDuZuid:
Data centers
Stadiums over 30k
Paved road network
High ranking unis
High ranking schools
Best hospitas
Rail network
Wealth of HNI Johannesburg $245b Kenya at most $60b
Number of shopping centers
The retail space
The real estate sector
Etc

You get the picture

Mkenya2019:
That is too is big lie. How can Joburg have more infrastructure than kenya - in what exactly? If you're talking roads - nobody count in kenya street paved roads...it only the main arteries. Get a map of Nairobi - and every street has paved road except very few in slums - and in nariobi national park. Yes in the metro - the paved roads becomes patchy like west africa cities.

the road network of Johannesburg with a mere size of 1600km2 is almost the same size as your entire country, the rail network is bigger in Johannesburg than your entire country, there are more stadiums in Joburg than your entire country, more malls and shopping centres than your entire country, there are 21 universities alone in Joburg, 269 schools, World class brt system, gautrain, brand new prasa passenger trains..... Must I go on?

Abohboy:
Not everywhere is something being built and his point was that there was no construction and Joburg was dead that's false so stop trying to change the initial point and the Mall of Africa alone is larger then most malls in Nairobi so you can't compare them to each other at all

Jorburg is like old Nairobi CBD. Nairobi downtown to be precise. It's clogged with buildings that there is no room for expansion. Nairobi has expanded its link to new areas like westlands and upperhill which were previously void with few residential. Now when you see upperhill and westlands, you'll be wowed by the rate at which Nairobi is growing. We're now focusing on ngara, two rivers, South C, kilimani and the rest. What we're discussing here is not rocket science. You guys are just debunking everysh*t without internalizing what is said.

What are you excited about 3 blocks of building in so man years? DEAD CITY syndrome.

jl115:
yeah sure....

Mkenya2019:
Nairobi has risen the ranks from I dont know where to top 20 to 10 to 6 to now 4th most dynamic (read fastest) growing city - due to it's real estate and other dynamics - pulling both locals and internationals to the city.

Not a single African city has ever made to that JLL dynamic city index - top 20 of the world.

That tells you something - if you were deaf or blind to see the evidence from the videos.

did I mention that some of those "most dynamic" cities rank near rock bottom in terms of QOL... Nairobi included

AfriqueDuZuid:
You can't be making unverified, unchecked and unresearched statements. You can't

that is the Shma way my bru

Mkenya2019:
None of that is infrastructure.

Basic Infrastructure.
1) Piped water
2) Sewage
3) Paved roads
4) Electricity coverage
5) Railways

Secondary Infrastructure
1) Light rails
2) BRTS

Tertiary Infrastructure..

3)

We can do better comparison that way,

.. This dude is dumb or what? That's why I always give him little to no attention.

I would rather debate his shack.

Mkenya2019:
None of that is infrastructure.

Basic Infrastructure.
1) Piped water
2) Sewage
3) Paved roads
4) Electricity coverage
5) Railways

Secondary Infrastructure
1) Light rails
2) BRTS

Tertiary Infrastructure..

3)

We can do better comparison that way,

Yeah Kenya is trumped by Johannesburg

Let's start with what you listed as primary

Mkenya2019:
None of that is infrastructure.

Basic Infrastructure.
1) Piped water
2) Sewage
3) Paved roads
4) Electricity coverage
5) Railways

Secondary Infrastructure
1) Light rails
2) BRTS

Tertiary Infrastructure..

3)

We can do better comparison that way,

Are you ret@rded? Of course those things he mentioned are infrastructure

Just30:
They won't get anything on him and blocking a Ghanaian MP from travelling will only raise tensions with Ghana.. This is why Sam is very smart in not making the conversational about personal attacks but solely base on law ( customary, tradition and the Ghanaian constitution)..

He has done his homework very well to sponsor this bill

This got me thinking , there is this africa banjul charter that Ghana recently ratify .it is a matter of human right and the protection of the people regardless. How will this law sponsored by sam george not overruling it?

I agree, blocking him to access usa and the rest may signal tension. But I can categorically tell you, america has a solid human right that may really block sam george from entering the usa . It is possible .

jl115:
that is the Shma way my bru

He posts nonsense after he wants people to prove his nonsense wrong

Shma:
Jorburg is like old Nairobi CBD. Nairobi downtown to be precise. It's clogged with buildings that there is no room for expansion. Nairobi has expanded its link to new areas like westlands and upperhill which were previously void with few residential. Now when you see upperhill and westlands, you'll be wowed by the rate at which Nairobi is growing. We're now focusing on ngara, two rivers, South C, kilimani and the rest. What we're discussing here is not rocket science. You guys are just debunking everysh*t without internalizing what is said.

that is why it's expanding in midrand, sandton ect ect

AfriqueDuZuid:
Yeah Kenya is trumped by Johannesburg

Let's start with what you listed as primary

Again. Zombie. You're not getting the point. Your puny brain is straggling to fit into this reality. Nairobi needs 8 good yrs to hit jorburg level. It's a no brainer with the rate of construction boom in Nairobi. You can shift goal posts with the entire kenya but facts will still remain.

Keep lying to yourself. The road density in Joburg and Nairobi is I bet the same. It simply not possible for Gauteng Metro to have more roads than Nairobi Metro - or for Nairobi City to have far less roads than Joburg city.

The rest too are just superficial measure - 21 universities - lol - Nairobi has nearly every kenya university campus - that would make it close to 60 universities in Nairobi.

Nairobi has commutter rail - not modern light rail - but it's has functioning one - that is now doing hourly trips from all corners of the world

Nairobi despite not holding world cup has sufficient sport facilities for many sports.

Nairobi is getting BRT done.

Name it - Nairobi is nailing it.

10-15yrs - Nairobi will look like Bangok or Jakarta - and you will be coming to visit. Once we get the few proposed super talls in upper hills - seem to have got stuck but most are being re-started - 70-80 floors- your people will be coming to see tall buildings in Nairobi, techno cities like Konza, industrial cities like tatu and northland, major social cities like two rivers, enagi, garden - and many more. You already should come to see elevated expressway.

jl115:
the road network of Johannesburg with a mere size of 1600km2 is almost the same size as your entire country, the rail network is bigger in Johannesburg than your entire country, there are more stadiums in Joburg than your entire country, more malls and shopping centres than your entire country, there are 21 universities alone in Joburg, 269 schools, World class brt system, gautrain, brand new prasa passenger trains..... Must I go on?

Mkenya2019:
What are you excited about 3 blocks of building in so man years? DEAD CITY syndrome.

Waterfall city is still developing mate.... You don't build a massive city with hospitals, schools, stadiums in 6 years

Mkenya2019:
What are you excited about 3 blocks of building in so man years? DEAD CITY syndrome.

Should I pull up Google maps footage of those towns you mentioned?

Or are you scared?

rvp2018:
I think you should overtake kenya first before you dream big.
Kenya has since 2014 risen from no 11 in Africa to no 6.
We are the cusp of Morroco - only 10B dollars difference - that is just one year of growth or two.
Algeria is the next at 150-180B dollars.
After that is South Africa.
Otherwise in Sub-Sahara Africa the list is Nigeria (cooked), South Africa and Kenya - and this is reflected in many indicators.
Nairobi will definitely overtake Joburg in less than a decade unless something catastrophic like a civil war happen.
It almost apparent - the Azanias have to run away from videos and pictures - and start talking statistics like Ghana.

GDP 2020 in Africa - as of last year
South Africa - 301.9 billion USD (2020)
Algeria 145.2 billion USD (2020)
Morroco 112.9 billion USD (2020)
Kenya 98.84 billion USD (2020) - rebased to 107B kshs (roughly 100B).

If you check medium projection - kenya will grow at 6- almost the 7 percent that mean GDP will double in a decade - while South Africa will be at 1 percent - less than population growth.

Data are better than videos. Number don't lie but video does.

jl115:
that is why it's expanding in midrand, sandton ect ect

Jorburg as it is is what we're discussing. We're discussing jorburg. I believe Midrand and sandton are just metro close to but outside jorburg. They are just like Kiambu and rongai which we don't count.

That is not a city my friend. Tatu city is 5000 acres. Northland city is 10,000 acres. Konza city is 5,000 acres, Ngelani city is 5,000 acres. Kenya gov housing scheme in Nairobi Portland will sit on 15,000 acres.

jl115:
Waterfall city is still developing mate.... You don't build a massive city with hospitals, schools, stadiums in 6 years

No. Videos do not lie. You do not need any data to know if a city is developed or not. You just need to see on the videos. Communist countries use to fake data - but their countries were shitty looking.

vaxx:
Data are better than videos. Number don't lie but video does.

Ko

Mkenya2019:
Keep lying to yourself. The road density in Joburg and Nairobi is I bet the same. It simply not possible for Gauteng Metro to have more roads than Nairobi Metro - or for Nairobi City to have far less roads than Joburg city.

The rest too are just superficial measure - 21 universities - lol - Nairobi has nearly every kenya university campus - that would make it close to 60 universities in Nairobi.

Nairobi has commutter rail - not modern light rail - but it's has functioning one - that is now doing hourly trips from all corners of the world

Nairobi despite not holding world cup has sufficient sport facilities for many sports.

Nairobi is getting BRT done.

Name it - Nairobi is nailing it.

10-15yrs - Nairobi will look like Bangok or Jakarta - and you will be coming to visit. Once we get the few proposed super talls in upper hills - seem to have got stuck but most are being re-started - 70-80 floors- your people will be coming to see tall buildings in Nairobi, techno cities like Konza, industrial cities like tatu and northland, major social cities like two rivers, enagi, garden - and many more. You already should come to see elevated expressway.

Should I pull Google maps footage of those mentioned places?

AfriqueDuZuid:
Should I pull up Google maps footage of those towns you mentioned?

Or are you scared?

Why is this man screaming Google map everytime . Who are you scaring? Can't you just focus on defending the facts rather than empty threats. If you post ours we'll post yours. And yours is a shack that you live in. It's upon you to post yours and leave us to post post ours then let the people judge. That is how sane debate goes, okay?

Dont waste time. This has been done for you. In videos. Watch and listen to this video - Nairobi and kenya 2005 is undergoing TREMENDOUS CHANGE - even many Nairobians are suprised by the changes going on. The entire city is one construction site. Somehow money just keep flowing. There was small lull in 2016 until 2019 - but it's BACK ON - and massive.

Nairobi growth was massive in 70 and 80s - then it got into rough patch in 90s and started growing in 2005 - and now it's starting to hit all gears.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_-IuyK9SE&t=109s

AfriqueDuZuid:
Ko

Should I pull Google maps footage of those mentioned places?

Are you aware most countries who made those urban planning mistakes of putting viaducts and highways in the middle of cities have realised those mistakes and demolished them?

AfriqueDuZuid:
Are there skyscrappers in Barcelona?

Are you aware different countries use different foods for expressways?

Are you aware better planned cities don't necessarily need viaducs?

Mkenya2019:
Keep lying to yourself. The road density in Joburg and Nairobi is I bet the same. It simply not possible for Gauteng Metro to have more roads than Nairobi Metro - or for Nairobi City to have far less roads than Joburg city.

The rest too are just superficial measure - 21 universities - lol - Nairobi has nearly every kenya university campus - that would make it close to 60 universities in Nairobi.

Nairobi has commutter rail - not modern light rail - but it's has functioning one - that is now doing hourly trips from all corners of the world

Nairobi despite not holding world cup has sufficient sport facilities for many sports.

Nairobi is getting BRT done.

Name it - Nairobi is nailing it.

10-15yrs - Nairobi will look like Bangok or Jakarta - and you will be coming to visit. Once we get the few proposed super talls in upper hills - seem to have got stuck but most are being re-started - 70-80 floors- your people will be coming to see tall buildings in Nairobi, techno cities like Konza, industrial cities like tatu and northland, major social cities like two rivers, enagi, garden - and many more. You already should come to see elevated expressway.

- I already posted the links mate.... Johannesburg alone has by now over 14000kms of paved road network vs 20000kms for the entire Kenya

- 21 Universities.... Not colleges and other Tertiary institutions.... If I had to list that it would be in the 100s if not 200s.

- yeah and Johannesburg has the Gautrain and brand new Prasa passenger trains

- Your country has like 1 30000+ stadium.... Johannesburg has 6.....and if we minus those build for the world cup it's still 6 since no new stadiums were built in Joburg only upgraded.

- Nairobi is only expanding due to population growth, in terms of the quality of infrastructure as well as QOL it will forever be miles behind Johannesburg

Mkenya2019:
No. Videos do not lie. You do not need any data to know if a city is developed or not. You just need to see on the videos.

videos does lie and it a proven fact. Editing and miniature nature of video suggest. According to the most reliable statista will have . Ghana has been ranked ahead of kenya . This infrastructure is not just about Accra or Nairobi alone . It is about the country in general.

Numbers don't lie . This is a fact .

Statista say Ghana is more developed than kenya infrastructure wise .

AfriqueDuZuid:
Ko

Should I pull Google maps footage of those mentioned places?

What you should be doing. Is post what jorburg is building. Start from roads all the way to commercial offices and buildings. We'll retaliate by posting ours. This cheap threat should stop once and for all. You're nothing to scare us with your low life in a shack .

Mkenya2019:
That is not a city my friend. Tatu city is 5000 acres. Northland city is 10,000 acres. Konza city is 5,000 acres, Ngelani city is 5,000 acres. Kenya gov housing scheme in Nairobi Portland will sit on 15,000 acres.

OK this sums up the much hyped Tatu city

Should I move to the next?

Im yet to see Nairobi on Time Magazine 100 greatest places in the world

Mkenya2019:
Nairobi has risen the ranks from I dont know where to top 20 to 10 to 6 to now 4th most dynamic (read fastest) growing city - due to it's real estate and other dynamics - pulling both locals and internationals to the city.

Not a single African city has ever made to that JLL dynamic city index - top 20 of the world.

That tells you something - if you were deaf or blind to see the evidence from the videos.

Now show us video of that development - development unless you're talking SOCIAL - HCI (which kenya leads) - should be visible. Ghana you are fudging figures.

vaxx:
videos does lie and it a proven fact. According to the most reliable statista will have

Ghana has been ranked ahead of kenya . This infrastructure is not just about Accra or Nairobi alone . It is about the country in general.

Statista say Ghana is more developed than kenya infrastructure wise .

Like I said nobody count the street paved roads in Nairobi. The roads counted are main arterties - under KURA and KENHA - and now those that residents build themselves or Nairobi County gov - Just get a video of Nairobi - city - and show me unpaved roads.
Unlike South Africa - In Nairobi you cannot build a house or estate without paving the road. These are private roads that are paved - that nobody count.

jl115:
- I already posted the links mate.... Johannesburg alone has by now over 14000kms of paved road network vs 20000kms for the entire Kenya

- 21 Universities.... Not colleges and other Tertiary institutions.... If I had to list that it would be in the 100s if not 200s.

- yeah and Johannesburg has the Gautrain and brand new Prasa passenger trains

- Your country has like 1 30000+ stadium.... Johannesburg has 6.....and if we minus those build for the world cup it's still 6 since no new stadiums were built in Joburg only upgraded.

- Nairobi is only expanding due to population growth, in terms of the quality of infrastructure as well as QOL it will forever be miles behind Johannesburg