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allthingsgood:
The problem is not polygamy per SE. The problem is how it's currently being practiced in this century. On the contrary, polygamy was a vehicle for wealth creation and growth in the past. Today, polygamy is practiced without discipline or responsibility.

In olden days men weren't marrying more women just cos of sexual urges, more women meant more children and more hands on the farm. Which equals greater wealth creation for the family.

Lol alot of things were useful before the industrial revolution. How would doing it your way get rid of resource delusion issue. The only way to remedy it would be getting very rich like Sanusi II before engaging in alot of wives.

Fantastic case study.
This thread should be pinned at the top of the page.

Emphasis especially should be the fallout that happens when the patriarch passes away.

BlackBaron:
Fantastic case study.
This thread should be pinned at the top of the page.

Emphasis especially should be the fallout that happens when the patriarch passes away.

That would be interesting especially considering alot these nations don't have welfare state to fall back on. If they don't have life insurance they'll have to depend on extended family system. Lol the mods ignored this thread since its not really gaining much natural traffic but it would great grounds for a flame war if brought to the front page.

Nonsense the problem is not polygamy but Buhari ..Dig deep and figure

SarkinYarki:
Nonsense the problem is not polygamy but Buhari ..Dig deep and figure

Typical foolish response from the guy who doesn't read before commenting. Lol I know you're trolling but whatever.

Research reveals that in sub-Saharan Africa children in polygamous families are 24.4 times more likely to die when compared with children in monogamous families. Similarly, a study comparing the outcomes of children in polygamous families in Mali to their peers in monogamous families found that children in polygamous families are less likely to be enrolled in school. Furthermore, in Tanzania polygamy is a risk factor for poor nutritional status among children even when controlling for household wealth.

I abandoned this thread because simpletons took it over. lol
There is a reason Economics is classified as a SOCIAL SCIENCE.
The world is NOT white or black. The world is a place of SHADES OF MANY COLOURS.
The greatest lie ever told is that COMPULSORY MONOGAMY= WEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
BTW what is "wealth"?
A sophisticated social system sees far beyond pedestrian premises, and institutes economic plans that take advantage of each system of marriage to create a better society (note that I did not say "developed" society).

Ofodirinwa:
Polygamy and poverty are Siemens twins

This was me, 20 years ago! lol

Bye all till my "match" steps into this thread.

Ofodirinwa:
Polygamy and poverty are Siemens twins

So Chief Timothy Adeola Odutola ( OBE ) was poor due to polygamy?

Blue3k:
Typical foolish response from the guy who doesn't read before commenting. Lol I know you're trolling but whatever.

Try and learn about correlation and causation because clearly whoever wrote that article doesn't understand those things

Do they live in a rich area as most monogamous people do?
Is there an abundance of food in the areas where polygamy is practiced?
Are there schools where polygamy is mainly practiced?

The problem isn't polygamy but the government failing to provide fair development for all people

Blue3k:
Lol alot of things were useful before the industrial revolution. How would doing it your way get rid of resource delusion issue. The only way to remedy it would be getting very rich like Sanusi II before engaging in alot of wives.

When you're going to quote me later on i'd like to make it clear that Chief Timothy Adeola Odutola already had 2 wives before becoming extremely rich through his businesses this was when he was still trading damasks and fish in Lagos before expanding to Ogun and then manufacturing tyres and retreading tyres then came gold, palm oil, cocoa and the rest of the things but ultimately polygamy doesn't equate poverty

Abohboy:
Try and learn about correlation and causation because clearly whoever wrote that article doesn't understand those things

Do they live in a rich area as most monogamous people do?
Is there an abundance of food in the areas where polygamy is practiced?
Are there schools where polygamy is mainly practiced?

The problem isn't polygamy but the government failing to provide fair development for all people

Lol your argument is more ridiculous than his. Its the government fault polygamy leads to lower economic outcomed compared to their monogamous peers even when adjusting for income. If the monogamous couples are more successful under the same conditions you're clearly wrong.

The three questions are you asked are silly when both live in the same country and areas. They aren't segregated from each other. Nobody said polygamy is the sole cause of poverty and social ills BTW.

Research reveals that in sub-Saharan Africa children in polygamous families are 24.4 times more likely to die when compared with children in monogamous families. Similarly, a study comparing the outcomes of children in polygamous families in Mali to their peers in monogamous families found that children in polygamous families are less likely to be enrolled in school. Furthermore, in Tanzania polygamy is a risk factor for poor nutritional status among children even when controlling for household wealth.

Abohboy:
When you're going to quote me later on i'd like to make it clear that Chief Timothy Adeola Odutola already had 2 wives before becoming extremely rich through his businesses this was when he was still trading damasks and fish in Lagos before expanding to Ogun and then manufacturing tyres and retreading tyres then came gold, palm oil, cocoa and the rest of the things but ultimately polygamy doesn't equate poverty

Lol so you're going to use the life of one man as refutation to the general trend? Lol the exception doesn't disprove the rule. The study with bigger sample sizes over multiple countries shows monogamy simply leads to better outcomes economicly. Again did you read the part that says polygamy isn't the sole factor in poverty?

Because under monogamous arrangements men are unlikely to pursue multiple women, they can divert more resources to productive investments, thereby boosting capital formation and economic growth. The findings of Tertilt confirm this observation: “Enforcing monogamy reduces fertility by 40%, increases savings by 35%, and raises output per person by 140%. This suggests that although the practice of polygyny is certainly not the sole cause of poverty it might be an important contributing factor for the continuing underdevelopment of Sub-Saharan Africa.”

Blue3k:
Lol your argument is more ridiculous than his. Its the government fault polygamy leads to lowet economic outcome compared to their monogamous peers even when adjusting for income. If the monogamous couples are mpre successful under the same conditions you're clearly wrong.

The three questions are you asked are silly when both live in the same country and areas. They aren't segregated from each other. Nobody said polygamy is the sole cause of poverty and social ills BTW.






Lol so you're going to use the life of one man being as refutation to the general trend? Lol the exception doesn't disprove the rule. The study with bigger sample sizes over multiple countries shows monogamy simply leads to better outcomes economicly. Again did you read the part that says polygamy isn't the sole factor in poverty?

It never specified an area most polygamous families live in rural villages and depend on subsitent farming meanwhile most monogamous families tend to live in the city and be middle class so unless the study specifies the wages or the area that each family lives in and the government facilities available to them e.g. Schools, hospitals, good roads, electricity then it isn't an actual based study but rather one clearly made to propagate an agenda

Abohboy:
It never specified an area most polygamous families live in rural villages and depend on subsitent farming meanwhile most monogamous families tend to live in the city and be middle class so unless the study specifies the wages or the area that each family lives in and the government facilities available to them e.g. Schools, hospitals, good roads, electricity then it isn't an actual based study but rather one clearly made to propagate an agenda

Did you read the study he was citing before making these claims on the main website. He sources and cited these things for you. Even when you account for them living in rural areas the monogamous couple still comes out on top. The study controlled for the factors you mentioned. You guys just make these lazy retorts even when some goes through the trouble of giving you all the sources to study.

We control for three groups of factors consistent with the multilevel structure of the data and the analytic strategy used in this study. First, we control for two country-level factors: gross domestic product (GDP) per capita and the proportion of a country’s population that is Muslim. It is expected that the country-level factors will have an independent effect on child mortality and will account for a substantial portion of the overall between-country variation in mortality levels and in the effect of polygyny. Second, we control for household socioeconomic status
(SES), education, and place of residence because polygynous families face potential dilution of resources, women in these households are more likely to be less educated, and most live in rural areas. Finally, the analysis includes four childlevel factors: gender, interbirth intervals, birthorder, and maternal age at child’s birth. These factors may affect child survival differently depending on the type of family structure. Regarding child’s gender, the data used here comprise countries of diverse cultures, and there may be child-care practices in different types of families that could result in mortality differentials by gender (e.g., Gillett-Netting & Perry, 2005).

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/249406242_Family_Structure_and_Child_Mortality_in_Sub-Saharan_Africa_Cross-National_Effects_of_Polygyny

onumadu:
I abandoned this thread because simpletons took it over. lol
There is a reason Economics is classified as a SOCIAL SCIENCE.
The world is NOT white or black. The world is a place of SHADES OF MANY COLOURS.
The greatest lie ever told is that COMPULSORY MONOGAMY= WEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
BTW what is "wealth"?

First you complain statistics aren't trustworthy now its economics is social science and not cant see grey when its literally all it does. Economics if you dont know is the study of how humans react to scarcity and the trade off that occur within. Lol COMPULSORY MONOGAMY= WEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT as compared to polygamy which has been proven with the numbers by what ever category you're going by. Lol its stated in the article polygamy is only one factor in poverty so you're making a strawman argument. Nobody sad MONOGAMY by itself will make you a wealthy society see all the 3rd world nations listed.

You don't even understand basic ideas like what is wealth is. I'm surprised you didn't ask what development is as well. Its really shocking you haven't figured this out yet or bothered to look it up.

The findings of Tertilt confirm this observation: “Enforcing monogamy reduces fertility by 40%, increases savings by 35%, and raises output per person by 140%. This suggests that although the practice of polygyny is certainly not the sole cause of poverty it might be an important contributing factor for the continuing underdevelopment of Sub-Saharan Africa.”

“From anthropology, a review of ethnographic data from 69 non-sororal polygynous societies from around the globe reveals no case where co-wife relations could be described as harmonious, and no hint that women’s access to the means of production had any mitigating impact on conflict.”

Its pretty crazy how even when accounting for social benefits monogamous societies win out. There's a clear reason why polygamy is becoming less popular worldwide. Even when accounting for things like crime in society its better comparatively. Simply put more married men less crime. Single young guys are the problem in every society on earth pretty much since men engage in more risk taking behavior in general.

Coming back.

First of all, a person who starts by saying about a million women who married in the 70s SHARE their husbands, is already biased towards Polygamy and such a person, I will never listen trust what he has to say about polygamy.

Secondly, You said we cannot point out what is wrong in the 'data' presented.
Before you point to data, you should go and learn about data yourself, especially data in a socio-scientific study.
I fyou k now any thing about such data, they only shps correlation and not causative. you should go and learn that, first of all before you insist on a so-called data.

Blue3k:
Lol it seems nairalanders who said polygamy leads to poverty in northern Nigeria were correct. They didn't need a study to but empirical data is always great to have. This study should be conducted by Nigerian universities aswell. I'm pretty sure productivity and wealth is higher among Muslims who choose monogamous relationships on average.

You prese nt yourself as someone who is an intellectual but I cannot believe you, someone who should know what datas are all about will just take this so-called data as indicating the in validity of polygamy.
How has the so-c alled emperical data proven that Polygamy CAUSES poverty?
the k ey word is CAUSES and not c orrelative, if you know anything about soc iaol sc ientific data.

Productivity is not higher among monogamous homes than it is among polygamous homes!
To say that would be to say PRODUCTIVITY IS HIGHER AMONG SINGLES THAN IT IS AMONG MARRIED PEOPLE, OR PEOPLE LIVING TOGETHER, WHAT A DUMB ASSERTION FOR ANYONE TO MAKE, ESPECIALLY THOSELIKE WHO WHO PRESENT THEMSELVES AS INTELLECTUALS.
THE IDEA THAT BEING THE M ORE PEOPLE WE HA V E TOGETHER, THE MORE RED UC ED THEIR PRODUCTIVITY WOUL D BE!

Blue3k:
Lol why are guys mad when ever someone brings data against your world view. If you read the first paragraph you would know even though its allowed in alot of nations its mostly concentrated in few. Even among muslume countries its not that common according to pew research.

Do you really think the libertarians at the mises institute care what consenting adults do? The author even said its up to African to decide if the benefits of polygamy are worth the cost.
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WE ALL SHOULD BE M AD AT SOME OF THE M OS T RIDICULOUS INTERPRETATIONS OF DA TA THE WORL D HAS EVER KNOWN.
OF COURSE THEY ALREADY CA RE WHAT C O NSENTING ADULTS DO AND THAT FACT CAN BE S EEN I N THAT SAME FIRS T PA RRA GRA P H WHERE HE SAID THAT WOMEN WHO MARRIED "SHARE " THEIR HUSBANDS WITH O TH E R WOMEN. THERE IS NO GREATER POINTER TO THE FACT THAT THE AUTHOR IS ALREADY BIAS TOWARDS A SYSTEM HE K NOWS THE LEAST ABOUT!

christistruth01:
Boko Haram and the Bandits are eminent Polygamy Products

drug dealers and scammers are all products of m onogamy, therefore monogamy is bad and let us fol d them up!

helinues:
Managing one woman na war not to talk of going into polygamy

There are always neglection of responsibilities

there are always no neglegenc e of responsi bilities!
the saying that more heads are better than one, is rooted in real life human experience. that saying predates you and i.

Ofodirinwa:
People that Europeans accidentally found oil. None of these countries have a population above that of Edo state as well

so, what's your point?

MiddleDimension:
First of all, a person who starts by saying about a million women who married in the 70s SHARE their husbands, is already biased towards Polygamy and such a person, I will never listen trust what he has to say about polygamy.

Secondly, You said we cannot point out what is wrong in the 'data' presented.
Before you point to data, you should go and learn about data yourself, especially data in a socio-scientific study.
If you know any thing about such data, they only shps correlation and not causative. you should go and learn that, first of all before you insist on a so-called data.

Lol you guys make the same bad arguments. You're not debunking anything especially when factors in every study were controlled for various factors. Saying its socio-economic study doesn't make any of the finding incorrect.

MiddleDimension:
Productivity is not higher among monogamous homes than it is among polygamous homes!

Lol the data debunks this claim.

The findings of Tertilt confirm this observation: “Enforcing monogamy reduces fertility by 40%, increases savings by 35%, and raises output per person by 140%. This suggests that although the practice of polygyny is certainly not the sole cause of poverty it might be an important contributing factor for the continuing underdevelopment of Sub-Saharan Africa.”

Detuner:
Better a polygamous society than a society filled with born bastards. While it is a crime for a man to marry another wife from the millions of women who cant get husband ( New York alone has atleast 10M more women than men), it is acceptable to beget bastards with them. And there's no limit to number of bastards you beget, the bastards and their single mothers, won't be the fathers responsibility, but that of tax payers, until adult hood.

While you fancy such society, their way of life is not based on moral or economic factor as you insinuate, it's just an European culture influence. Unlike in China, western countries do not have limit to the number of bastards a woman or man could beget, infact the govt encourages it.

If polygamy is a factor for poverty, then All countries where polygamy is practiced would be dirt poor. I think you are beating the wrong bush. Good leadership and corruption is our problem, not polygamy.

it is not better polygamous than a soc iety fill ed with bastards, as you call them. the point is, polygamy is an EQUALLY VALID MARITAL INSTITUTION ON THE SAME LEVEL AS MONOGAMY!
THE BOLDED IS BEYOND THEIR INTEL L EC TUA L COMPREHENSION!

hakeemhakeem:
Polygamous is as old practices and well managed and use as absolute advantage by men in the past in various sector of the economy viable.but this days tell me what the new generation are putting to use,even a monogamous is finding difficult to cater for his family

i GET YOUR POINT. BUT POLYGAMY IS NOT A THING O F THE PA S T LIKE YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IT. AT L;EAST, IT IS NOT MORE A THING OF THE PAS T THAN MONOGAMY IS A THING OF THE PAST EVEN THOUGH IT IS MORE ECONOMICALLY REASONABLE TO STAY UNMARRIED THAT IT IS TO GET MARRIED AND RAISE C HIL DREN IN AN EC ONOMY THAT IS HIGHLY UNPREDIC TIBLE.

Blue3k:
Lol you guys make the same bad arguments. You're not debunking anything especially when factors in every study were controlled for various factors. Saying its socio-economic study doesn't make any of the finding incorrect.



Lol the data debunks this claim.

SEE, MY FRIEND, DON NOT MAKE ME LOSE PATIENC E WITH YOU!

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS FOR A DATA TO BE CORRELATIVE AND NOT CAUSATIVE?

SEE IT THIS WAY: IT IS TRUE OR LOGICAL THAT YOU HAVE M ORE PEOP L E DROWNING IN THE RIVER DURING THE SUMMER THAN IN THE AUTUM OR WINTER. THEREFORE, THE CLIMATIC CONDITION CALLED SUMMER M A KES PEOPL E DROWN. HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT ASSERTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT IS THE SAME DUMB ARGUMENT YOU ARE MAKING HERE!
THAT MORE PEOPLE DROWN IN THE RIVER DURING THE SUMMER C AN EASILY BE ATTRI BUTED TO THE FAC T THAT DURING THE SUMMER, THE WATER IS WA RM AND C ALM , THEREFORE VERY TEMPTING TO THOSE WHO CANNOT SWIM TO WANT TO HAVE A TRY. THIS C AN EXPLAIN WHY THERE MAY BE MORE POEPLE DROWNING IN THE SUMMER THAN IN THE WINTER OR AUTUM BECAUSE IN THE OTHER TWO SEASONS, THE WATER WILL BE V ERY C OL D AND NOT M A NY PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO GO OUT SWIM MING.

SO, FOR YOU TO SAY MANDATORY M ONOGAMY HALVES FERTILITY RATE, WOULD MEAN THAT HUMAN FERTILITY OR THE NUMBER OF C HIL DREN ONE HAS IS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE TYPE OF MARRIAGE ONE IS IN, AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST FALLAC Y ANYONE CAN EVER CONCEIVE IN HIS MIND!

horsepower102:
Polygamy and underage marriage of children is the root cause of Almajiri crisis in the north. You see extremely poor northerners with multiple children from various wives.

Those Almajiri children have finally grown up and become easy recruits for bandits and boko haram.

THIS OLD TERRI BLE ARGUEMENT IS STILL COMING FORTH AGAIN!
SO, ARE THE C HILDREN WHO ARE OUT OF SCHOOL IN THE SOUTH PRODUCT OF POL YGAMY TOO?
YOU ALL SEEM TO HAVE FOGOTTE THAT M ANY OF THE PEOPL E IN OUR FA THERS GENERA TIO N, WERE BORN INTO POLYGAMOUS HOMES. OW COMES TERE WAS NO BANDITARY THEN LIKE IT IS NOW, IF POLYGAMY IS THE REASON FOR BANDITORY AND TERRORISM? HOW C OM ES MA NY POF THEM WERE SO GOOD, THEY REAC HED THE HIGHT OF THEIR VARIIOUS P ROFES S IO NS WITH SOME OF THEM BECOMING THE FOU NDING FA THE RS OF THI S C OUNTRY C ALLED NIGERIA?

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH POLYGAMY, THAT'S FINE! THERE A RE ALS O THOSE WHO'VE GOT P ROBL EM S WITH M ONOGAMY TOO. THERE ARE THOS E WHO DO NOT EVEN WA NT TO EV ER GET M A RRIED . OPRAH WI NFFERY C OM ES TO MIND HERE! WHAT WOUL D YOU AND @ BLUE3K SAY? THAT GETTING M ARRIED IS ABSOL UTELY WRO NG? I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, AND NOT IG NORE IT, IF YOU ARE VERY CONFIDENT YOU IN YOUR CONVINCTIONS AGAINST POLYGAMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



YOU ALSO HA VE TO TELL US IF POLYGAMY IS RES PONSIBLE FOR THE DRUG DEA L LING WE FIND AMONG THE C HILDREN IN THE EA S T AND THE SC A M MING WE SEE IN THE WEST. IF YOU K NOW YOU ARE BRA VE, I WANT YOU TO BRAVE THIS POINT AND A DDRESS IT AND LETS SEE IF YOUR BIA S AND ANTAGONISM WON'T BECOME EVIDENT TO ALL FAIR MINDED I NDIVIDUALS

MiddleDimension:
drug dealers and scammers are all products of m onogamy, therefore monogamy is bad and let us fol d them up!

If responsible Father's of drug dealers were home with the mothers of their kids do you think they would have become such illustrious Criminals ?


Most of them became drug dealers because the father's that could have stopped them were busy on duty with other Women while their kids were being indoctrinated to see Crime as a way of life

MiddleDimension:
SO, FOR YOU TO SAY MANDATORY M ONOGAMY HALVES FERTILITY RATE, WOULD MEAN THAT HUMAN FERTILITY OR THE NUMBER OF C HIL DREN ONE HAS IS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE TYPE OF MARRIAGE ONE IS IN, AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST FALLAC Y ANYONE CAN EVER CONCEIVE IN HIS MIND!

Lol is your keyboard broken why are you spacing out your words like that and typing in all caps. You don't have a counter argument so your begging the questions a out correlation or causation. The factors in the study already controlled for various factors so we can see test polygamy vs monogamy. Your apples and oranges comparisons about drowning is useless stay in topic. Funny you suddenly dropped your productivity argument.

The number of children is in part determined by the number of partners. Ceteris paribus more partners for a man equals more children. This true because women's reproduction is limited by time, men can get younger wives and family size increases faster if getting more women pregnant in the course of your lifetime.

christistruth01:
If the Father's of drug dealers were home withbthe mothers of their kids do you think they would have become such illustrious Criminals ?

SO, YOU ARE CONCEEDING IT NOW THAT LINKING SOC IA L ILLS TO POLYGAMY AND SAYING IT IS THE C AUSE OF A L L THE ILLS WE SEE IN NORTHERN NIGERIA OR ELSEWHERE IS THE WRONGEST THING ANYONE C A N EVER CONCIEVE OF IN HIS MIND?
AND WHO TOLD YOU ALL THE PEOPLE INTO DRUG DEALING AND SC AMMING ALL HAVE ABSENTEE FATHERS ?
DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT THEY ALL WERE WITHOUT THEIR FATHERS?

MiddleDimension:
SO, YOU ARE CONCEEDING IT NOW THAT LINKING SOC IA L ILLS TO POLYGAMY AND SAYING IT IS THE C AUSE OF A L L THE ILLS WE SEE IN NORTHERN NIGERIA OR ELSEWHERE IS THE WRONGEST THING ANYONE C A N EVER CONCIEVE OF IN HIS MIND?
AND WHO TOLD YOU ALL THE PEOPLE INTO DRUG DEALING AND SC AMMING ALL HAVE ABSENTEE FATHERS ?
DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT THEY ALL WERE WITHOUT THEIR FATHERS?

Their behaviour alone is enough evidence that loving and responsible Parental o Care was missing from their Lives

When you see someone who has good upbringing you will know they don't need to be from rich or educated families

A drug dealer with a devoted Mother or father the Pleadings of his Parents alone is enough for him to give up the Business no matter the quantity of money involved he will value the relationship and love for his parents above the business no contest at all

MiddleDimension:
WHAT WOUL D YOU AND @ BLUE3K SAY? THAT GETTING MARRIED IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG? I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, AND NOT IGNORE IT, IF YOU ARE VERY CONFIDENT YOU IN YOUR CONVINCTIONS AGAINST POLYGAMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU ALSO HA VE TO TELL US IF POLYGAMY IS RES PONSIBLE FOR THE DRUG DEA L LING WE FIND AMONG THE C HILDREN IN THE EA S T AND THE SC A M MING WE SEE IN THE WEST. IF YOU K NOW YOU ARE BRA VE, I WANT YOU TO BRAVE THIS POINT AND A DDRESS IT AND LETS SEE IF YOUR BIA S AND ANTAGONISM WON'T BECOME EVIDENT TO ALL FAIR MINDED I NDIVIDUALS

Marriage is actually great and benefits society. It tends makes more responsible, productive and reduces criminality in society because of its civilizing effects on males. As for the criminality experienced in east and west I dont know for sure but I assume it's more about fatherless homes or simply risk seeking behavior from unmarried men. Its clear their behavior stems from no respect for laws or other people's property.

Lol just because the facts don't agree with worldview doesn't mean your hated. Nobody saying polygamy should be banned the author himself is a libertarian. Polygamy is becoming less popular worldwide as the data shows even in Muslim majority nations its not that common. People are freely choosing what they want.