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obaaderemi:
The boy knows nothing about warfare just like Kenyan generals.

Just the typical Kenyan dumbness

Look at this fool. A proffesional, modern army, knows how to win local support. Go study KDF and what they are doing in Alshabaab in Somalia. Kenya troops are now "loved" by the locals...unlike the Ethiopia who went there in a flash, terrorized locals and name it.

Part of having a well trained army is to equip them with COUNTER-INSURGENCY TRAINING.

This is what Kenya armed forces are very good. First phase is to attack them heavily. Second phase is to win local support.

Just30:
you know nothing about war... Keep quiet


To win any war, you need local support..

Russia lost in Afghanistan because their people hated the idea of foreign fighters on their land and it is the same reason why the US had no option but to accept a defeat..

This is the same reason why US lost to North Vietnam

You can never win a war against the will of the people

Mkenya2019:
You can as well ask me before you post - I have kenya data on my fingertips.

Will you shut up there

Only 300,000 people visited Kenya is the first 6 months of this year.



Kenya's international tourist arrivals reached 305,635 in the first six months to June 30, the country's Tourism Research Institute (TRI) said in its latest statistics released on Thursday.

According to the government-owned TRI, out of the 305,635 arrivals, 94,241 came to visit family and friends, 92,828 for meetings, incentives, conferences and exhibitions (MICE) purposes and 87,629 for holiday.

This happened to kenya once - in middle of somalia - this happen to Nigeria militia almost every week - in middle of Nigeria by their own local rebels or boko harams.

obaaderemi:
I guess this is what Kazikazi has been talking about:


How can soldiers still be in bed snoring by 7am?
Then they had to run into the bush pursued like goats by ragtag militiamen.

We are talking pre-covid slowpoke. Kenya this month just ended it's curfew laws.

Just30:
Will you shut up there

Only 300,000 people visited Kenya is the first 6 months of this year.



Kenya's international tourist arrivals reached 305,635 in the first six months to June 30, the country's Tourism Research Institute (TRI) said in its latest statistics released on Thursday.

According to the government-owned TRI, out of the 305,635 arrivals, 94,241 came to visit family and friends, 92,828 for meetings, incentives, conferences and exhibitions (MICE) purposes and 87,629 for holiday.

Mkenya2019:
Look at this fool. A proffesional, modern army, knows how to win local support. Go study KDF and what they are doing in Alshabaab in Somalia. Kenya troops are now "loved" by the locals...unlike the Ethiopia who went there in a flash, terrorized locals and name it.

Part of having a well trained army is to equip them with COUNTER-INSURGENCY TRAINING.

This is what Kenya armed forces are very good. First phase is to attack them heavily. Second phase is to win local support.

as usual

Typical Kenyan nonsense, when they can't argue with facts, they result to insults out of frustrations.


What does Kenya arm force attack with, motivation?


So the US and Russia don't know how to win local support er?

Mkenya2019:
You wish Kenya was regressing like Nigeria. Never gonna happen. Our domestic tourism sector alone is 4M strong. Internation 3m. Kenya I think has more branded hotel beds than Nigeria can dream of. That is why our tourism like many other sectors of economy are very resilient.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/ST.INT.ARVL

Same numbers as Botswana, Mozambique, ivory coast and many others

Its 2.01m not 3m international

Mkenya2019:
We are talking pre-covid slowpoke. Kenya this month just ended it's curfew laws.

No one is talking pre COVID ...

We are talking current

Even your pre COVID figures was inflated by your govt by adding 400,000 more people than it got.

Kenya well trained armed force are winning war against Alshabaab in middle of Somalia by deploying world class counter-insurgency - something NIgeria milita can learn from.

Nigeria or Ethiopia will just rush headlong with tanks and shoot their way - only to find like NATO they are DOING NOTHING - except wasting money and time.


https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/images/ia/INTA94_2_06_Moe.pdf

As early as 2009 the Kenyan Defence Forces (KDF) started training Somali militias
from the Kenyan–Somali Juba border regions, as a means of curbing incursions by
Al-Shabaab into Kenya. The incentives of weakening Al-Shabaab’s presence in the
border regions, and in the Somali regional capital Kismayo, became coupled with
the long-term aim of establishing borderland authorities with good relations to
Kenya once Al-Shabaab had been cleared from the area.67

Despite initial apprehension on the part of other key allies opposed to Al-Shabaab—the Somali government, Ethiopia, the United States and other western powers—the approach of
empowering local militias to fight Al-Shabaab in the Juba regions gradually gained
support, as it both promised an ‘optimal counterterrorism outcome’,68 namely
the ‘liberation’ of Kismayo, and was ‘a good fit with the US government’s “Dual
Track” policy’.[/b]69 This policy, formulated in 2010, [b]advanced a flexible counterinsurgency approach which catered for the increasing international interest—in
the context of the war against Al-Shabaab—in more extensively engaging with
the local governance arrangements that had proliferated throughout Somalia in
the absence of conventional state institutions, including a functioning military.
‘Track one’ maintained the support for statebuilding and for the official ‘big
players’, including AMISOM, the Federal Government of Somalia (FGS) and
its predecessor the Transitional Federal Government. ‘Track two’, serving as
the pragmatic policy component, promoted engagements that would be ‘more
flexible and adaptive to local needs’, specifically by cooperating with non-state
actors and institutions. These included clans, elders and militia groups, ‘as well
as local and regional administrative units, throughout south central Somalia, who
are opposed to Al Shabaab’.70
Aligning with ‘track two’, Kenya strengthened its cooperation on the ground
with local forces in Juba, selecting the strongman and former Al-Shabaab member
Ahmed Mohamed Islam (known as Madobe), and his Ogaden clan militia the
Muaskar Ras Kamboni, as the key local ally. In extending Kenyan engagement

Just30:
as usual

Typical Kenyan nonsense, when they can't argue with facts, they result to insults out of frustrations.


What does Kenya arm force attack with, motivation?


So the US and Russia don't know how to win local support er?

Mkenya2019:
Kenya well trained armed force are winning war against Alshabaab in middle of Somalia by deploying world class counter-insurgency - something NIgeria milita can learn from.

Nigeria or Ethiopia will just rush headlong with tanks and shoot their way - only to find like NATO they are DOING NOTHING - except wasting money and time.


https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/images/ia/INTA94_2_06_Moe.pdf

As early as 2009 the Kenyan Defence Forces (KDF) started training Somali militias
from the Kenyan–Somali Juba border regions, as a means of curbing incursions by
Al-Shabaab into Kenya. The incentives of weakening Al-Shabaab’s presence in the
border regions, and in the Somali regional capital Kismayo, became coupled with
the long-term aim of establishing borderland authorities with good relations to
Kenya once Al-Shabaab had been cleared from the area.67

Despite initial apprehension on the part of other key allies opposed to Al-Shabaab—the Somali government, Ethiopia, the United States and other western powers—the approach of
empowering local militias to fight Al-Shabaab in the Juba regions gradually gained
support, as it both promised an ‘optimal counterterrorism outcome’,68 namely
the ‘liberation’ of Kismayo, and was ‘a good fit with the US government’s “Dual
Track” policy’.[/b]69 This policy, formulated in 2010, [b]advanced a flexible counterinsurgency approach which catered for the increasing international interest—in
the context of the war against Al-Shabaab—in more extensively engaging with
the local governance arrangements that had proliferated throughout Somalia in
the absence of conventional state institutions, including a functioning military.
‘Track one’ maintained the support for statebuilding and for the official ‘big
players’, including AMISOM, the Federal Government of Somalia (FGS) and
its predecessor the Transitional Federal Government. ‘Track two’, serving as
the pragmatic policy component, promoted engagements that would be ‘more
flexible and adaptive to local needs’, specifically by cooperating with non-state
actors and institutions. These included clans, elders and militia groups, ‘as well
as local and regional administrative units, throughout south central Somalia, who
are opposed to Al Shabaab’.70
Aligning with ‘track two’, Kenya strengthened its cooperation on the ground
with local forces in Juba, selecting the strongman and former Al-Shabaab member
Ahmed Mohamed Islam (known as Madobe), and his Ogaden clan militia the
Muaskar Ras Kamboni, as the key local ally. In extending Kenyan engagement

This is funny

And you think the Nigerian military does not have well trained units ?

Even the Ethiopian military will trash your country military in any war, so shut up and learn.

Mkenya2019:
You can as well ask me before you post - I have kenya data on my fingertips.

Don't worry I got a source

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/ST.INT.ARVL

Nothing impressive with 2m visitors it's in the levels of many African countries

If it did, it would long have defeated Boko haram, Cattle rustlers, Islamis jihadist and kidnappers. It very clear from even reading this forum or watching nollywood that a Nigeria army is bully who beat up people in bars. You hear of promotions favouring Northern troops.

They can never match Kenya Defence force - Arguably the MOST PROFFFESIONAL ARMY in AFRICA.

Just30:
This is funny

And you think the Nigerian military does not have well trained units ?

Mkenya2019:
If it did, it would long have defeated Boko haram, Cattle rustlers, Islamis jihadist and kidnappers. It very clear from even reading this forum or watching nollywood that a Nigeria army is bully who beat up people in bars. You hear of promotions favouring Northern troops.

They can never match Kenya Defence force - Arguably the MOST PROFFFESIONAL ARMY in AFRICA.

you think Boko Haram is a ruftag Alshabab nonsense?

You mean the same Kenyan defense force that is busy molesting Kenyans and abusing them daily in the streets of Kenya?

In any country where you find the military on the street daily, you should know that that country is disfuntional...

That is what Kenya. Is

At least you're now trying to get credible data. Of course kenya tourist potential is huge. South Africa is not doing any better...of 10M - I think 8M are from Africans - mostly illegal immigrants from Zim and NIgeria that you count as tourist. They they extend their visa stay and become a nuisance.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Don't worry I got a source

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/ST.INT.ARVL

Nothing impressive with 2m visitors it's in the levels of many African countries

Boko Haram is crap. Very crap compared to Alshabaab with direct links to Yemeni/Afgan/Saudis. In fact Horn of Africa is not your little west africa full of cowards.

My friend who lived in Mali and Ivory coast - told me your west africa army are so cowarldy - whenever the northern muslim attack - they run towards the coast - and French have to come in. He is Ethiopian and he swear he never saw cowardly people like your west africans.

Horn of Africa is crazy place.

Kenya alone has 740,000 illegal guns in the northern Kenya. Ethiopia has probably 10 Million illegal guns. Somalia has probably 2 million plus illegal guns. Name any of horn of africa country - just north of Nairobi - is teeming with illegal guns.

Just30:
you think Boko Haram is a ruftag Alshabab nonsense?

Mkenya2019:
Kenya well trained armed force are winning war against Alshabaab in middle of Somalia by deploying world class counter-insurgency - something NIgeria milita can learn from.

Nigeria or Ethiopia will just rush headlong with tanks and shoot their way - only to find like NATO they are DOING NOTHING - except wasting money and time.


https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/images/ia/INTA94_2_06_Moe.pdf

As early as 2009 the Kenyan Defence Forces (KDF) started training Somali militias
from the Kenyan–Somali Juba border regions, as a means of curbing incursions by
Al-Shabaab into Kenya. The incentives of weakening Al-Shabaab’s presence in the
border regions, and in the Somali regional capital Kismayo, became coupled with
the long-term aim of establishing borderland authorities with good relations to
Kenya once Al-Shabaab had been cleared from the area.67

Despite initial apprehension on the part of other key allies opposed to Al-Shabaab—the Somali government, Ethiopia, the United States and other western powers—the approach of
empowering local militias to fight Al-Shabaab in the Juba regions gradually gained
support, as it both promised an ‘optimal counterterrorism outcome’,68 namely
the ‘liberation’ of Kismayo, and was ‘a good fit with the US government’s “Dual
Track” policy’.[/b]69 This policy, formulated in 2010, [b]advanced a flexible counterinsurgency approach which catered for the increasing international interest—in
the context of the war against Al-Shabaab—in more extensively engaging with
the local governance arrangements that had proliferated throughout Somalia in
the absence of conventional state institutions, including a functioning military.
‘Track one’ maintained the support for statebuilding and for the official ‘big
players’, including AMISOM, the Federal Government of Somalia (FGS) and
its predecessor the Transitional Federal Government. ‘Track two’, serving as
the pragmatic policy component, promoted engagements that would be ‘more
flexible and adaptive to local needs’, specifically by cooperating with non-state
actors and institutions. These included clans, elders and militia groups, ‘as well
as local and regional administrative units, throughout south central Somalia, who
are opposed to Al Shabaab’.70
Aligning with ‘track two’, Kenya strengthened its cooperation on the ground
with local forces in Juba, selecting the strongman and former Al-Shabaab member
Ahmed Mohamed Islam (known as Madobe), and his Ogaden clan militia the
Muaskar Ras Kamboni, as the key local ally. In extending Kenyan engagement

Which war you winning?

A day ago two said Somali warlord are the ones building Nairobi real estate, yall go to the border while they in Nairobi?

Mkenya2019:
Boko Haram is crap. Very crap compared to Alshabaab with direct links to Yemeni/Afgan/Saudis. In fact Horn of Africa is not your little west africa full of cowards.

My friend who lived in Mali and Ivory coast - told me your west africa army are so cowarldy - whenever the northern muslim attack - they run towards the coast - and French have to come in.

Horn of Africa is crazy place.

Kenya alone has 740,000 illegal guns in the northern. Ethiopia has probably 10 Million illegal guns. Somalia has probably 2 million plus illegal guns. Name any of horn of africa country - just north of Nairobi - is teeming with illegal guns.

Typical Kenyan nonsense especially from rvp

Your soldiers were busy hiding in bushes while your country was under attack..

Deal with that level of cowardice...

West African soldiers have dealt with more wars than your country will ever gain experience

The war against international terrorism. We are not interested in internal affairs of Somalia.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Which war you winning?

A day ago two said Somali warlord are the ones building Nairobi real estate, yall go to the border while they in Nairobi?

Just30:
That's like the total number of people who visits Accra in one month

To see fishermen or what?

Which war? Chinese are minning and poisining your river. You Ghana are probably the most cowardly after Mali and Ivory coast.

Nigeria were crying for British and American soldiers to help them deal with HOME GROWN terrorist.

Without the French army - the entire west african would be overrun by Northern Islamist.

Ask US army what they saw in Somalia in Black Hawk Down in 1990s - they have never dare entered Somalia - Somalia forces fought them non stop for 24hours brought their choppers down and dragged their bodies across mogadishu- but likes of Kenya are in Somalia.Somalia is closes to afgan as you can get.

Just30:
Typical Kenyan nonsense especially from rvp

Your soldiers were busy hiding in bushes while your country was under attack..

Deal with that level of cowardice...

West African soldiers have dealt with more wars than your country will ever gain experience

Mkenya2019:
At least you're now trying to get credible data. Of course kenya tourist potential is huge. South Africa is not doing any better...of 10M - I think 8M are from Africans - mostly illegal immigrants from Zim and NIgeria that you count as tourist. They they extend their visa stay and become a nuisance.

First of all illegal immigrants are not registered by immigration service, they don't have identities, no bank accounts.

Lol an illegal Immigrant does not have visas, an illegal person cannot extend what they don't have etc

South Africa has 15m arrivals I don't know where you got 10m

AfriqueDuZuid:
They are disciplined and motivated

Just like your looters, shackman.

For folks who can't believe stuff, ths I how itsgoes..even for Nigerians pretending to be Egyptian s

Nigeria army is a militia output
SA army is woke..nothing there
Ghana..damn..do they even have an army?
Kenya being training with the beat..knows how to use latest equipment..dang it we even fought in Europe

gallivant:
To see fishermen or what?

Fishermen

My friend illegal immigrants mostly come with tourist visa, extend it illegal and stay forever. They do not drop from the sky.

Show me where you get 15M. I know of 10M international tourist...with 8m from Africa..

AfriqueDuZuid:
First of all illegal immigrants are not registered by immigration service, they don't have identities, no bank accounts.

Lol an illegal Immigrant does not have visas, an illegal person cannot extend what they don't have etc

South Africa has 15m arrivals I don't know where you got 10m

gallivant:
To see fishermen or what?

To enjoy international festivities held annually here, something rear to Kenya

Mkenya2019:
This happened to kenya once - in middle of somalia - this happen to Nigeria militia almost every week - in middle of Nigeria by their own local rebels or boko harams.

But boko haram never attacked Lagos.
Tell us, how many times has alshabab attacked Nairobi?

obaaderemi:
The boy knows nothing about warfare just like Kenyan generals.

What do your generals know other than seizing power and hiding from boko haram? Please don't embarass yourself here.

Just30:
To enjoy international festivities held annually here, something rear to Kenya

What ! The old slave thing

mtisTheQubit:
Fishermen

Seriously though, other than Ghanaian immigrants returning home who in there right mind travels to Nigeria or Ghana for holiday? The only thing interesting in Ghana is Akosombo dam, a gift from the world Bank.

obaaderemi:
But boko haram never attacked Lagos.
Tell us, how many times has alshabab attacked Nairobi?

Your boko boys were trained by alshabaab..ask yourself why they don't attack Abuja..lone wolves don't need an army bro..your local Boko Haram saga is more twisted thanyou think bro..someone highly there is fundinh Boko boys..let's just assume Boko Haram is Nigeria army team B

What is there to attack in Lagos. Nairobi has been attacked by terrorist for many years because it's global media attention guranteed because it's international city.

Attacking Lagos wont even make news in Nigeria - it's daily occurrence. How many people do Boko Haram or kidnapper or Jihadist kill in Nigeria every day - hundrends. It no longer make news.

Why would Boko Haram even waste time to attack Lagos when they are busy running gov and taxing NIgerians in the north east.

Nairobi, New York, London, Paris - those kind of cities will be attacked by lone wolf or terror - because it global headline guranteeed.

It not KDF job - it most intelligence jobs.

obaaderemi:
But boko haram never attacked Lagos.
Tell us, how many times has alshabab attacked Nairobi?