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gallivant:
My issue here is with belligerent Ghanains who have thrown common sense out of the window.

I also have issue with Kenyans always trying to play smart meanwhile they are not.

In short you're a Nigerian. The rest of your gibberish sound like Nigeria Militia defence. Kenya Defence force is a modern army. Not comparable to your country Militia.

ArabicBerber:
I'm not Nigerian; I'm just a realist following the facts at hand. I never said Mombasa was getting blown up(even though that has happened) I said Al Shabaab/islamist control the underground. As for Nairobi do I really need to go there? That places has been an on & off kenyan & tourist killing field for Al Shabaab for well over a dacade now. Photos/Videos of those Nairobi massacres litter the web with bodies in the streets, hotels, malls etc. I'd rather not post them so stop playing dumb. Walking into Nairobi is only moderately more difficult than walking into Mogadishu for Al Shabaab it seems.

Kidnappers/ human trafficking exists in every major region of the world including Kenya.

I have friends from Nigeria and thoroughly researched it(being the birth place of my wife) and from what I've found ISWAP don't get to march into Abuja, Lagos, Calabar etc and cut down Nigerians, immagrints, and foriegners. It's mostly contained to villages and small towns around Lake Chad.

It's not looking adequate for either one of you but going by the data the Nigerians have performed better dealing with ISWAP than Kenya with Al Shabaab. God forbid Ethiopia collapses.

In my humble opinion Algeria has performed the best in Africa in terms of combating local terrorism.



Rwanda like South Africa has a routine of making brief appearances in conflicts shooting up a couple people calling it a win before flying out with the battle still raging behind them. The Rwandese haven't "fixed" sh1t.

Are Islamist and Yemeni forces performing massacres in Riyadh, Jeddah, or any major capital city like Al Shabaab gets to do in Kenya?



China unofficially owns Kenya your in no room to talk being deep in the debt trap with Chinese managers whipping your laborers like slaves.

The Nigerians never asked for American or British direct help to fight ISWAP. There are no Americans or Brits on ground fighting them. Matter of fact I believe Nigerians leaders out right rejected that assistance. The West only trains with the Navy while PMCs help train the special forces.

Meanwhile in Kenya PMCs and ex foriegn special forces patrol your streets while you get direct help from AMISOM, UN PEACEKEEPERS,
and western intelligence gatherers around the clock. Isn't Kenya littered with British military bases? Isn't there a scandal going on where said soldiers raped and killed a few of your women?

The french only stepped in when there assets in Mali came under threat. Some conspiracy theorist even believe the french are funding regional instability to keep there Francophones firmly under there influence.

[[s]quote author=Just30 post=107501256] Why would kenya be a mate to Ghana in Aviation when Ghana has been doing it for years already?

Kenya needs to learn[/quote][/s]

vankelvin:
We Ghanaians prefer Ghanaian private owned Airlines to Government owned Airline.

Our Government and Egypt Air are working on a new National carrier for the country but guess what, Ghanaians are not interested in it. Some section of the public are against the move ...

Having a National airline is a big deal in Kenya but it's not in Ghana so give us a break.

Ghana signs joint airline deal with Egypt, bypassing Ethiopia
EgyptAir has signed an agreement with Ghana to create a national airline after a similar deal with Ethiopian Airlines fell through.

Privatization is the way to go. It's great to see more North-Sub Saharan partnerships going on it will benefit the integration of the continent in the long run.

It was a very wise decision considering Ethiopia probably want have a fully functioning airline themselves in the future.

ArabicBerber:
I'm not Nigerian; I'm just a realist following the facts at hand. I never said Mombasa was getting blown up(even though that has happened) I said Al Shabaab/islamist control the underground. As for Nairobi do I really need to go there? That places has been an on & off kenyan & tourist killing field for Al Shabaab for well over a dacade now. Photos/Videos of those Nairobi massacres litter the web with bodies in the streets, hotels, malls etc. I'd rather not post them so stop playing dumb. Walking into Nairobi is only moderately more difficult than walking into Mogadishu for Al Shabaab it seems.

Kidnappers/ human trafficking exists in every major region of the world including Kenya.

I have friends from Nigeria and thoroughly researched it(being the birth place of my wife) and from what I've found ISWAP don't get to march into Abuja, Lagos, Calabar etc and cut down Nigerians, immagrints, and foriegners. It's mostly contained to villages and small towns around Lake Chad.

It's not looking adequate for either one of you but going by the data the Nigerians have performed better dealing with ISWAP than Kenya with Al Shabaab. God forbid Ethiopia collapses.

In my humble opinion Algeria has performed the best in Africa in terms of combating local terrorism.



Rwanda like South Africa has a routine of making brief appearances in conflicts shooting up a couple people calling it a win before flying out with the battle still raging behind them. The Rwandese haven't "fixed" sh1t.

Are Islamist and Yemeni forces performing massacres in Riyadh, Jeddah, or any major capital city like Al Shabaab gets to do in Kenya?



China unofficially owns Kenya your in no room to talk being deep in the debt trap with Chinese managers whipping your laborers like slaves.

The Nigerians never asked for American or British direct help to fight ISWAP. There are no Americans or Brits on ground fighting them. Matter of fact I believe Nigerians leaders out right rejected that assistance. The West only trains with the Navy while PMCs help train the special forces.

Meanwhile in Kenya PMCs and ex foriegn special forces patrol your streets while you get direct help from AMISOM, UN PEACEKEEPERS,
and western intelligence gatherers around the clock. Isn't Kenya littered with British military bases? Isn't there a scandal going on where said soldiers raped and killed a few of your women?

The french only stepped in when there assets in Mali came under threat. Some conspiracy theorist even believe the french are funding regional instability to keep there Francophones firmly under there influence.

What nationality are you ?

Ignorant Nigerian. Apart from Tanzania all Kenya neighbours have been mostly at war. Uganda were at war almost from 1960s through early 1990s. Sudan was at war almost until 2010 - then again started in 2014 - all that time - the south sudanase were fighting near kenya border. Ethiopia has been almost at war for most of last 50yrs - if it wasn't Derg, it was TPLF, then Ogaden rebels, then Oromo rebels - all of them fighting in kenya and ethiopia border. Move to the East...Somalia for 30yrs has been as worst worst...with fighting and no gov. Before that Somalia was supporting Kenya somalia secessionist forces.

For many years kenya has provided host to Uganda, Sudanase, Ethiopian and Somalia refugees. Kenya provide logistic support for UN and NGOS to provide support to those countries. Kenya provide safe haven for both refugees and warlords.

In short ignorant Nigerian - Kenya has always been surrounded by war torn countries - except for Tanzania - our southern border. Move further Rwandese and DRC wars see many of their refugees ending up in Kenya.

Kenya for most of it's modern history has been oasis of peace surrounded by war torn countries - with both negative and positive effect - negative mostly in small arms, terrorism and refugees...positive as investment is directed to Kenya than those war torn unstable countries.

ArabicBerber:
Again no; you have never experienced a large diverse & chaotic state collapsing at your doorstep while already being nearly surrounded by partially collapsed states. Your leaders aren't begging the hardest out of everyone for peace negotiations for no reason against the wishes of Addis Ababa.

Mkenya2019:
In short you're a Nigerian. The rest of your gibberish sound like Nigeria Militia defence. Kenya Defence force is a modern army. Not comparable to your country Militia.

In short you've failed to provide a proper rebuttal to a single one of my statements. Instead you've decided to brush it off like an immature child that just got told a truth they can't handle. That very child that has yet to develop advanced comprehension skills.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

ArabicBerber:
Again no; you have never experienced a large diverse & chaotic state collapsing at your doorstep while already being nearly surrounded by partially collapsed states. Your leaders aren't begging the hardest out of everyone for peace negotiations for no reason against the wishes of Addis Ababa.

You're a good reader, right?
Start with this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sudanese_Civil_War

you'll find the peace nego at page 3 and 5(signed at Nairobi), which didn't bear any fruit.

After that.. We'll move to Uganda,Somalia and Ethiopia in that order.

NTSA:
What nationality are you ?

Egyptian of Moroccan descent.

Mkenya2019:
Ignorant Nigerian. Apart from Tanzania all Kenya neighbours have been mostly at war. Uganda were at war almost from 1960s through early 1990s. Sudan was at war almost until 2010 - then again started in 2014 - all that time - the south sudanase were fighting near kenya border. Ethiopia has been almost at war for most of last 50yrs - if it wasn't Derg, it was TPLF, then Ogaden rebels, then Oromo rebels - all of them fighting in kenya and ethiopia border. Move to the East...Somalia for 30yrs has been as worst worst...with fighting and no gov. Before that Somalia was supporting Kenya somalia secessionist forces.

For many years kenya has provided host to Uganda, Sudanase, Ethiopian and Somalia refugees. Kenya provide logistic support for UN and NGOS to provide support to those countries. Kenya provide safe haven for both refugees and warlords.

In short ignorant Nigerian - Kenya has always been surrounded by war torn countries - except for Tanzania - our southern border. Move further Rwandese and DRC wars see many of their refugees ending up in Kenya.

Kenya for most of it's modern history has been oasis of peace surrounded by war torn countries - with both negative and positive effect - negative mostly in small arms, terrorism and refugees...positive as investment is directed to Kenya than those war torn unstable countries.

Smh I'll pray for you...

Why would I dignify your ranting about Nigeria Militia unable to defeat Boko Haram, Kidnappers and cattle rustlers with a rebuttal? Once there are no 8Ms Nigeria IDP being fed by UN in North East Nigeria - come and praise your useless militia.

ArabicBerber:
In short you've failed to provide a proper rebuttal to a single one of my statements. Instead you've decided to brush it off like an immature child that just got told a truth they can't handle. That very child that has yet to develop advanced comprehension skills.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

ArabicBerber:
Ghana signs joint airline deal with Egypt, bypassing Ethiopia
EgyptAir has signed an agreement with Ghana to create a national airline after a similar deal with Ethiopian Airlines fell through.

Privatization is the way to go. It's great to see more North-Sub Saharan partnerships going on it will benefit the integration of the continent in the long run.

It was a very wise decision considering Ethiopia probably want have a fully functioning airline themselves in the future.

Per the experience we had with Ghana Airways we prefer a privatization of the new National carrier.. We don't want our Politicians to abuse the system like they did in the past.


Left for me alone Government should rather support the private airline operators (Ghanaian owned airlines) in that sector to expand and take charge of that space.

I don't need prays. Nigeria need them. This year alone - Nigeria Militia has been unable to prevent "Conflict and violence led to 169,000 new displacements in 2020 and about 2.7 million people were living in displacement as of the end of the year, ...:

IDPs in Nigeria increased by one million in last one year

ArabicBerber:
Smh I'll pray for you...

Shma:
You're a good reader, right?
Start with this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sudanese_Civil_War

you'll find the peace nego at page 3 and 5(signed at Nairobi), which didn't bear any fruit.

After that.. We'll move to Uganda,Somalia and Ethiopia in that order.

That's an interesting read but I'm sticking to my latter statement. There will be no peace deal between the Tigrey/allies and Addis Ababa in the feasible future. This will likely become a generational war.

ArabicBerber:
That's an interesting read but I'm sticking to my latter statement. There will be no peace deal between the Tigrey/allies and Addis Ababa in the feasible future. This will likely become a generational war.

I never said anything of the sort. Maybe you're confusing me with justo30, who according to him, the root cause of Ethiopia's war is a peace deal.

Mkenya2019:
Why would I dignify your ranting about Nigeria Militia unable to defeat Boko Haram, Kidnappers and cattle rustlers with a rebuttal? Once there are no 8Ms Nigeria IDP being fed by UN in North East Nigeria - come and praise your useless militia.

You haven't told me anything that contradicts my final conclusion outside of flimsy allegations and childish insults.

I broke down the situation and you replied with pretty a "no way bro" and that's it. Grow up or get lost. I'm neither Nigerian or Kenyan and I have no biases; no reason to. I'm just reading the facts to you.

Shma:
I never said anything of the sort. Maybe you're confusing me with justo30, who according to him, the root cause of Ethiopia's war is a peace deal.

Then your post is irrelevant and holds no water to my orginal conclusion. Thanks for wasting my time I guess.

Only a fool would find Nigeria Militia praiseworthy. Your tantrums are understandable. The militia that US and Western powers have refused to sell arms because it will end up in Boko Haram. The last we heard, they had run to Russia. US and British soldiers training them found them so incompetent and corrupt they advised against any further engagement and ban of any arm sales. That is kind of militia you want to compare with Kenya - a well respected modern defence force? That despite US and other misgiving has handled Alshabaab right in Somalia, installed a functional gov in Kismayu and stabilized that country.

ArabicBerber:
You haven't told me anything that contradicts my final conclusion outside of flimsy allegations and childish insults.

I broke down the situation and you replied with pretty a "no way bro" and that's it. Grow up or get lost. I'm neither Nigerian or Kenyan and I have no biases; no reason to. I'm just reading the facts to you.

good you cant form words

NTSA:
[[s]quote author=Just30 post=107501256] Why would kenya be a mate to Ghana in Aviation when Ghana has been doing it for years already?

Kenya needs to learn

[/s]

Mkenya2019:
Only a fool would find Nigeria Militia praiseworthy. Your tantrums are understandable. This militia that US and Western boys have refused to sell arms because it will end up in Boko Haram. The last they had run to Russia.

I'm stating facts your the one throwing an emotional fit here becuase those facts aren't lining up with your expectations. Your still failing to dissect my statements I see. The Nigerians make purchases from the West all the time. They just got some planes from the Yankees and boats from the Euros.

There you go again exposing your own ignorance and embarrassing yourself.

ArabicBerber:
Then your post is irrelevant and holds no water to my orginal conclusion. Thanks for wasting my time I guess.

Topic: Aftermath of Ethiopia war on Kenyan soil!
I said Ethiopia's collapse won't affect Kenya negatively, as you supposedly claim.

What is the role of the army? What is the effectiveness of Nigeria Militia? The militia with about same budget as Kenya but with 360,000 underpaid, ill-trained, ill equiped troops?

If you do not know what defence job is - then let me help you.

The main task of the military is usually defined as defence of the state and its interests against external armed threats.

Has Nigeria done even half the job. NO. Annually one million Nigerians are being sent to IDP camps. Daily hundreds are getting killed. Lots of kidnapping. Jihadist are killing christian almost for sports. Fulani herdsmen are driving south killing almost at will. That is a ZOO NOT ANY DIFFERENT from SOMALIA. It's dysfunctional...both military and police.

And you want to talk about random terror attacks in Nairobi and Mombasa by lone wolf? Are you that crazy?

Nigeria Militia SHOULD NEVER be taken seriously except by fellow Nigerians.

I can even listen if you talk about the Egypt or South Africa or Kenya or Rwanda... those at least are able to do their BASIC JOB.

Nigeria? Go milk a camel or something more productive.

ArabicBerber:
I'm stating facts your the one throwing an emotional fit here becuase those facts aren't lining up with your expectations. Your still failing to dissect my statements I see. The Nigerians make purchases from the West all the time. They just got some planes from the Yankees and boats from the Euros.

There you go again exposing your own ignorance and embarrassing yourself.

A peace deal with who?

Shma:
I never said anything of the sort. Maybe you're confusing me with justo30, who according to him, the root cause of Ethiopia's war is a peace deal.

Just30:
good you cant form words

I never hit my opponent when he is already down.

ArabicBerber:
Egyptian of Moroccan descent.

I have gone through most of your posts on nairaland and honestly, you sound more of a pained Nigerian...nothing close to an Egyptian

NTSA:
I never hit my opponent when he is already down.

Explain down

it seem like a different down from the one we know

Mkenya2019:
In short you're a Nigerian. The rest of your gibberish sound like Nigeria Militia defence. Kenya Defence force is a modern army. Not comparable to your country Militia.

now let's start from you telling this noble house,what makes your military modern?
Or more modern than even Lesotho army?

Then,we show our arsenals and war success.



Nigeria was the first African country to use armed drones, infact only 4 countries have used armed drones against enemies, Nigeria became the 4th or even 3rd, do you even know what that means... That's one of the parameters to qualify for the title of a modern military.

Mkenya2019:
What is the role of the army? What is the effectiveness of Nigeria Militia? The militia with about same budget as Kenya but with 360,000 underpaid, ill-trained, ill equiped troops?

If you do not know what defence job is - then let me help you.

The main task of the military is usually defined as defence of the state and its interests against external armed threats.

Has Nigeria done even half the job. NO. Annually one million Nigerians are being sent to IDP camps. Daily hundreds are getting killed. Lots of kidnapping. Jihadist are killing christian almost for sports. Fulani herdsmen are driving south killing almost at will. That is a ZOO NOT ANY DIFFERENT from SOMALIA. It's dysfunctional...both military and police.

And you want to talk about random terror attacks in Nairobi and Mombasa by lone wolf? Are you that crazy?

Nigeria Militia SHOULD NEVER be taken seriously except by fellow Nigerians.

I can even listen if you talk about the Egypt or South Africa or Kenya or Rwanda... those at least are able to do their BASIC JOB.

Nigeria? Go milk a camel or something more productive.

what makes Kenyan military modern or better than alshabab?
Those rusty tanks and f5 fighter jets, or what?

Come let's talk when you have a decent SF unit.

Thought we settled the issue of defence budget, we spend nearly $5b in defence yearly.
Your old, rusty, grand pa tanks, ships or f5 belong in the museums

That kind of stupid comparison doesnt excite me. What works is the output - are Nigeria safe? Military should respond to threats. There are countries with no standing army. They have zero threats of external or internal aggressions.

Nigeria spend about 2B (used to be 2.5B dollars) on 360K militia - and Nigeria is one of most insecure nation on earth.

It simply mean you defence is not upto the task.

Simple advice. Spend more. Modernize. Train better. Equip better. Bla de bla.

Any state or country most important function is to provide security to it's citizen. It's to guarantee the right to life. Everything else next.

How can justify the daily killings, kidnapping and mass displacement happening in Nigeria? HOW ? What kind of country is thaat? A ZOO

IGpro1:
what makes Kenyan military modern or better than alshabab?
Those rusty tanks and f5 fighter jets, or what?

Come let's talk when you have a decent SF unit.

Thought we settled the issue of defence budget, we spend nearly $5b in defence yearly.
Your old, rusty, grand pa tanks, ships or f5 belong in the museums

Mkenya2019:
That kind of stupid comparison doesnt excite me. What works is the output - are Nigeria safe? Military should respond to threats. There are countries with no standing army. They have zero threats of external or internal aggressions.

Nigeria spend about 2B (used to be 2.5B dollars) on 360K militia - and Nigeria is one of most insecure nation on earth.

It simply mean you defence is not upto the task.

Simple advice. Spend more. Modernize. Train better. Equip better. Bla de bla.

Any state or country most important function is to provide security to it's citizen. It's to guarantee the right to life. Everything else next.

Yen Yen Yen....
One thing I'm sure.of, if Kenya had same percentage of Muslims as Nigeria, it would long have failed.

You should implement those suggestions on your military.

Just30:


Explain down

it seem like a different down from the one we know

Well, to be perfectly honest. In my humble opinion, of course without offending anybody who thinks differently from my view, but also looking into this matter in a different perspective I honestly believe that I already did my part and am not going to repeat myself again.

IGpro1:
Yen Yen Yen....
One thing I'm sure.of, if Kenya had same percentage of Muslims as Nigeria, it would long have failed.

You should implement those suggestions on your military.

Muslims or no muslims is not the problem....we are in the era of 4th and 5th generation warfare and militaries must learn and adapt accordingly seems Nigerian army are still using 3rd generation war tatics while fighting a 4 th generation warfare .Thus cannot be called a modern army.
Boko boys are infact quite advanced in 5th generation warfare .. They are controlling the ' narrative/ perception about the north through the cyberspace ( disinformation )...While Nigerian army are still stuck in 3 rd generation warfare.when will the Nigerian army ever tell their story ? When will they ever win the hearts and minds of the Northern populace?