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Blakjewelry:
When people mentioned godliness, there is mental of picture they create as in someone who lives a life of compassion, thorough reasoning, a man who won't cheat or kill his fellow man. Infact the whole essence of religion is to make man live a life of piouty but the reverse is the case.

Well that is what I am telling you ,you have been mislead. Being without a god doesn't mean you automatically become a wild thing. Having a morality that is not based on what a god says doesn't make one automatically bad, it just means I am different in how I view things from you. Many of the things you'll consider bad is what I'll consider bad too but for a different reason than god said so.

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Blakjewelry:
Instead of wasting your sub go online and check the stats you will see that hungry stricken nations are more religious than countries that better off

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Shut up

I am talking of Nigeria ... Who cares of nations ! All you so called atheists in Nigeria are hungry

A001:
How does saying God might or might not exist mean holding onto God as being the only alternative?

Agnosticism is just a position between the two extremes — atheism and theism.

It's very arrogant of a human that's extremely ignorant about his own planet to assert God doesn't exist as a matter of fact, when he's yet to explore 1% of the Universe, 10% of the world's oceans, and is completely ignorant of most of the things existing or happening even in his immediate environs.

Holding such a position makes you the same as a religionist.

But an agnostic considers that God or gods might exist, is open-minded, and looks to science to solve the riddle with time.

Atheists are dogmatic IMO, just like religious people, though it's still much better to be an atheist than a religionist.

But agnostics are open-minded and prefer to approach these things with a curious, inquisitive approach like a baby.

For an agnostic, it's scientific discoveries and data that determine the truth, not the parochial wishes of an atheist or the ill-informed, superstitious notions of a religionist.

Like I said earlier here, atheists' assertions are responses to theists' assertions. Atheists are not dogmatic in rejecting theists' assertions. Atheists are doing what any scientist would do if an hypothesis can not be substantiated with evidence. The idea of God was introduced by religion. Since the idea can not be confirmed by evidence and even religion itself has been found to be unreliable the claim of God's existence can be rejected. It is that simple.

Ask an atheist if the God the theists sell exists. He will tell you such God doesn't exist as he has examined the idea and doesn't find the logic and evidence for it. If anyone answers "I don't know" to that, he either hasn't examined the idea or he is confused. This has nothing to do with the limited extent the human knowledge of the universe is. You're examining an already established claim from theists. You can directly study this claim. It's like any other ideology. You can tell if it has a connection to reality or if it is just a wishful thinking. I don't need to have a 100% knowledge of the universe to know that getting bitten by a spider won't turn me into a man that can fly around using spiderweb as portrayed in the Marvel Spider-man movie or that chanting some words on a ring that I would later put on my finger won't make another person epileptic by hitting them with it as told by some people who believe in it.

Like your position about God's existence, it's like saying "I'm not sure" when someone asks you if the two aforementioned cases can actually happen for real.

Benrosaria:
Actually it isn’t

Atheist tries to make you understand that a human shouldn’t believe but understand, which is why you have brains, cause a regular atheist sees life as nature and should be cared and respected which brings us to loving all that we are for peace of mind to remain ultimate which is happiness

Do you guys have some belief system
Do you guys look up to someone or some people
Do you guys get recruited or recruit others.
If it is so then those are the characteristics of a religion

Ynix:
Do you guys have some belief system

We guys have different belief systems. Some atheist believe in spirituality, others don't. Some believe in love, compassion, objective morality, others believe in survival of the fittest and subjective morality. The only thing that bind atheists is the lack of belief in a personal God.

I for one believe that the universe is an energy. Various manifestations of that energy is what we perceive and interact with. That's what I understand from Einstein's famous equation. What that energy is, how it came about and how it will end, is not known or knowable.

Do you guys look up to someone or some people

No. That's why they became atheist in the first place. An average atheist cannot subject him or herself to be a slave to anyone or any diety. They are not prepared to worship anything.

Do you guys get recruited or recruit others.

No. Atheism is a personal journey. It starts by questioning existing beliefs and order that had been instilled in us from birth, then progress to trying to provide alternative reasoning to those beliefs and finally ending with a total rejection of those beliefs. These doubts and questions usually arise during or immediately after teens when people's belief system are beginning to set like concrete. It's difficult for a person over 30 years to change beliefs.

If it is so then those are the characteristics of a religion

It's not. Religions have a God, doctrines and central authority like priests, pastors or gurus that every one must follow. Atheism does not have these.

1Sharon:
I thought you people love to say Christianity is a way of life not a religion.

So what religious demands are you talking about?

I'm not a Christian so I wouldn't know about that, but what's your conviction? Or you are simply confused? Why are you an atheist?

Ishilove:
Prayer is a mode of communication between man and the supernatural. Your disbelief does not change the immutable reality of the spiritual. I, personally have never tried to convince anyone about God's existence and the power of prayer, and I'm not about to start now.

Good night, Sharon.

because you fkin can't.

Realtalk20:
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Shut up

I am talking of Nigeria ... Who cares of nations ! All you so called atheists in Nigeria are hungry

That's not true

Don't worry. NIGERIA may go further down, develop many more worse than ATHEISTS, SINK DOWN deeper to ABYSS BEFORE WE GET THE MIRACLE OF A 42 CONSTITUTIONAL FULLY AUTONOMOUS STATES SUPER STRUCTURES.

LET THE ATHEISTS GROW. LET THE DAURA MAFIA PLAY ON ITS NIGER REPUBLIC, OIC AND ARABS GAME.

THE CALIPHATE WILL SOON PLEAD WITH Osinbajo TO TAKE OVER FROM BUHARI TO REBUILD NIGERIA.

GOD IS OMNICAPABLE.

Pr0ton:
Like I said earlier here, atheists' assertions are responses to theists' assertions. Atheists are not dogmatic in rejecting theists' assertions. Atheists are doing what any scientist would do if an hypothesis can not be substantiated with evidence. The idea of God was introduced by religion. Since the idea can not be confirmed by evidence and even religion itself has been found to be unreliable the claim of God's existence can be rejected. It is that simple.

Ask an atheist if the God the theists sell exists. He will tell you such God doesn't exist as he has examined the idea and doesn't find the logic and evidence for it. If anyone answers "I don't know" to that, he either hasn't examined the idea or he is confused. This has nothing to do with the limited extent the human knowledge of the universe is. You're examining an already established claim from theists. You can directly study this claim. It's like any other ideology. You can tell if it has a connection to reality or if it is just a wishful thinking. I don't need to have a 100% knowledge of the universe to know that getting bitten by a spider won't turn me into a man that can fly around using spiderweb as portrayed in the Marvel Spider-man movie or that chanting some words on a ring that I would later put on my finger won't make another person epileptic by hitting them with it as told by some people who believe in it.

Like your position about God's existence, it's like saying "I'm not sure" when someone asks you if the two aforementioned cases can actually happen for real.

The atheistic position looks naive to me as many atheists just think religious people merely manufactured names of the gods and goddesses they worship as God.

But only naive people would think that way because all these gods and goddesses are early beings that had existed on this planet.

For instance, if you study the history of our native religions in this part of the world, then you'll realize the fact all these gods and goddesses were deified humans.

So, only someone that's ignorant or naive about how the world works will say that gods and goddesses like Orunmila, Amadioha, Ala, Osun, Sango, etc. are objects of fiction that didn't exist or won't know that it's these early beings or past beings that rule the today's world.

The same thing applies to every other religion. All these gods and goddesses are simply past beings or the ancestors of their people (worshippers).

The word god or God is man-made, but that doesn't mean all those entities worshipped in religions never existed on this planet at some time in the past and that doesn't also mean the Universe doesn't have an Origin or Source, which you might call God or refer to in another way.

The entities called gods and goddesses are just advanced beings, and since we're yet to explore 1% of the Universe and have never set foot on any other planet in our solar system or beyond it, it's possible there are races of advanced beings out there in the Universe, which could be monitoring us.

Otem claims all these gods and goddesses are advanced beings who had lived and created all sorts of life on this planet billions of years ago and are now in other parts of the Universe and regularly monitor this planet with some technologies (built to look like stars in the sky but are really surveillance gadgets) and UFOs.

Given the vastness of this universe, there's a high chance that entities will be living in various parts of the Universe that our telescopes may not be sophisticated enough to detect yet.

For these reasons, I maintain that there's a possibility advanced beings that religious people call gods and goddesses do exist in other parts of the Universe.

The areas of Physics studying the origin and evolution of the Universe, UAPs, extraterrestrial life are Astrophysics, Cosmology, and ET/planetary science. And with time, advances made in those areas will reveal the truth.

It's more reasonable to me to approach the subject with agnosticism and open-mindedness rather than pitching my tent with either of the two extremes.

HellVictorinho3:
So ,if you don't turn things upside down,
You won't know how thoughts originate, how dreams happen (not necessarily made or chosen)....


How stuff is stored,.....

You wanna digitize ....


At the moment,
You can use whatever word you wanna use so that my dear 1Sharon will start considering your posts as true...

You clearly don't understand most of the things I said up there. But that's fine.

Don't worry. NIGERIA may go further down, develop many more worse than ATHEISTS, SINK DOWN deeper to ABYSS BEFORE WE GET THE MIRACLE OF A 42 CONSTITUTIONAL FULLY AUTONOMOUS STATES SUPER STRUCTURES.

LET THE ATHEISTS GROW. LET THE DAURA MAFIA PLAY ON ITS NIGER REPUBLIC, OIC AND ARABS GAME.

THE CALIPHATE WILL SOON PLEAD WITH Osinbajo TO TAKE OVER FROM BUHARI TO REBUILD NIGERIA.

GOD IS OMNICAPABLE.

FROM ORUNTO27. THABO MBEKI, ABDULSALAMI, KEN NNAMANI ETCETERA ETCETERA ARE DEVELOPING ATHEISTS.

LordReed:
Well that is what I am telling you ,you have been mislead. Being without a god doesn't mean you automatically become a wild thing. Having a morality that is not based on what a god says doesn't make one automatically bad, it just means I am different in how I view things from you. Many of the things you'll consider bad is what I'll consider bad too but for a different reason than god said so.

You are not getting the message. Without religion the world would be a shit hole, religion is the first attempt to streamline man's actions from that animals. You May claim to be an atheist but religion set the platform for other debates. 90% of us were born into a religion before we start to ask questions, I believe I have been an atheist long before you become one yourself but hoverever, I don't like to call my self because many people who called themselves atheist do not base their claim on research and knowledge rather just a way of clearing their conscience of guilt. I was so much interested in the the bible that I decided to study the ancient Jews life and culture, then with love for the history lead me to discovered whole truth, then I started asking hard even though I already have the answer this scared alot of people back then, the truth religion is very important, take away that and watch the world turn to chaos. We have alot of maniacs who being chained by the idea of eternal punishment. Also religion is kinda the yardstick we use in measuring morality or I can raise a thread less argue why it should be ok to kill a man using natural law. Hope you have heard the quote nothing is good or bad but thinking make it so.

Realtalk20:
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Shut up

I am talking of Nigeria ... Who cares of nations ! All you so called atheists in Nigeria are hungry

All I see is a mental health break down like jinx in arcane

1Sharon:
Please, life is too short be in the closet.

If it's family I understood, but why hide yourself from brainwashed mofos

Well, like ten years ago, when I first became an atheist, I told some of the friends close to me at the time. But, you know how most Christians are...to them, anyone that doesn't believe in God, automatically is a devil worshiper. I had a lot of issues with them, and just decided to keep that part of myself to myself moving forward. Less stress.

Blakjewelry:
You are not getting the message. Without religion the world would be a shit hole, religion is the first attempt to streamline man's actions from that animals. You May claim to be an atheist but religion set the platform for other debates. 90% of us were born into a religion before we start to ask questions, I believe I have been an atheist long before you become one yourself but hoverever, I don't like to call my self because many people who called themselves atheist do not base their claim on research and knowledge rather just a way of clearing their conscience of guilt. I was so much interested in the the bible that I decided to study the ancient Jews life and culture, then with love for the history lead me to discovered whole truth, then I started asking hard even though I already have the answer this scared alot of people back then, the truth religion is very important, take away that and watch the world turn to chaos. We have alot of maniacs who being chained by the idea of eternal punishment. Also religion is kinda the yardstick we use in measuring morality or I can raise a thread less argue why it should be ok to kill a man using natural law. Hope you have heard the quote nothing is good or bad but thinking make it so.

Nigeria is a good example of the fact a religious society isn't necessarily a moral one.

The average Nigerian, who is religious, is corrupt and uses his/her favorite parts of the Bible and Qur'an to justify cheating other people, defrauding others.

(Just like the whites that brought Christianity into this country justified slavery and racism with some parts of the Bible.)

Morality is natural and immorality is a learned or acquired trait. The innocent babies we see all around us demonstrate this fact always, until they grow up and are taught how to lie, cheat others by their religious and corrupt parents or guardians or relatives.

Every human is born an atheist or agnostic. If you're a kind person, you don't need a god or a book to tell you to be nice to your fellow man.

Hence, you don't need religion to live a moral life and be kind to others. What you need is good philosophy and ethics.

Funnningly, religious people even copy the vindictive, wicked nature of Allah or Jehovah who they worship. This is one reason why Nigerians, with all their religiosity (hypocrisy), are some of the most wicked people in the world.

Looking at Sharia laws in Islam or the (bloody) history of Catholicism, you realize that religion doesn't make you a moral, kind person but can make you an extremely wicked person.

A001:
The atheistic position looks naive to me as many atheists just think religious people merely manufactured names of the gods and goddesses they worship as God.

But only naive people would think that way because all these gods and goddesses are early beings that had existed on this planet.

For instance, if you study the history of our native religions in this part of the world, then you'll realize the fact all these gods and goddesses were deified humans.

So, only someone that's ignorant or naive about how the world works will say that gods and goddesses like Orunmila, Amadioha, Ala, Osun, Sango, etc. are objects of fiction that didn't exist or won't know that it's these early beings or past beings that rule the today's world.

The same thing applies to every other religion. All these gods and goddesses are simply past beings or the ancestors of their people (worshippers).

The word god or God is man-made, but that doesn't mean all those entities worshipped in religions never existed on this planet at some time in the past and that doesn't also mean the Universe doesn't have an Origin or Source, which you might call God or refer to in another way.

The entities called gods and goddesses are just advanced beings, and since we're yet to explore 1% of the Universe and have never set foot on any other planet in our solar system or beyond it, it's possible there are races of advanced beings out there in the Universe, which could be monitoring us.

Otem claims all these gods and goddesses are advanced beings who had lived and created all sorts of life on this planet billions of years ago and are now in other parts of the Universe and regularly monitor this planet with some technologies (built to look like stars in the sky but are really surveillance gadgets) and UFOs.

Given the vastness of this universe, there's a high chance that entities will be living in various parts of the Universe that our telescopes may not be sophisticated enough to detect yet.

For these reasons, I maintain that there's a possibility advanced beings that religious people call gods and goddesses do exist in other parts of the Universe.

The areas of Physics studying the origin and evolution of the Universe, UAPs, extraterrestrial life are Astrophysics, Cosmology, and ET/planetary science. And with time, advances made in those areas will reveal the truth.

It's more reasonable to me to approach the subject with agnosticism and open-mindedness rather than pitching my tent with either of the two extremes.

1. That a human was called god doesn't validate that its attributes as a god existed. The human existed as a human and not as a god with super powers. Therefore god in the god sense didn't and doesn't exist.

2. Not all gods have human references. The monotheistic religions at least state explicitly that their god is not a man.

3. You're making assumptions that possible advanced extraterrestrial lives are gods. I would take this as wishful thinking. That some other form of life is more advanced than us doesn't make them gods no more that we are gods to insects. They are just that. Advanced beings.

4. You're moving from the concept of god defined by religion to a concept of god defined as the creator of the universe. I can agree with you that there might be a source of the universe but to label this source god before we even find it (if we could ever find it) is, again, wishful thinking. The so called source might not even be conscious. It could just a scientific phenomenon. We should be open minded as to what this source might be and not label it beforehand god, else you wouldn't be open minded.

5. You can't use the word god for two different things. I.E i) a religious god that religious people worship. ii) a non religious concept that can be regarded as the source of the universe. If you ask me if the god of (i) exists, I will tell you no, it doesn't exist. If you ask me the same of (ii) I'll have to ask you why you think the source of the universe is or has to be a conscious being and if this is your definition of being open minded as to the origin of the universe.

6. You have to clear the air first by stating (a) whether or not the religious god exists or (b) if god to you as a mere explanation for the source of the universe is what you call god and not god in the religious sense or (c) if both are supposed to be the same. If you can clear this then we will be having a clear bone of contention.

Blakjewelry:
You are not getting the message. Without religion the world would be a shit hole, religion is the first attempt to streamline man's actions from that animals. You May claim to be an atheist but religion set the platform for other debates. 90% of us were born into a religion before we start to ask questions, I believe I have been an atheist long before you become one yourself but hoverever, I don't like to call my self because many people who called themselves atheist do not base their claim on research and knowledge rather just a way of clearing their conscience of guilt. I was so much interested in the the bible that I decided to study the ancient Jews life and culture, then with love for the history lead me to discovered whole truth, then I started asking hard even though I already have the answer this scared alot of people back then, the truth religion is very important, take away that and watch the world turn to chaos. We have alot of maniacs who being chained by the idea of eternal punishment. Also religion is kinda the yardstick we use in measuring morality or I can raise a thread less argue why it should be ok to kill a man using natural law. Hope you have heard the quote nothing is good or bad but thinking make it so.

We aren't talking about religion, we are talking about being godless and your assumption that being godless is synonymous with lacking morals. If you were lacking morals when you were an atheist that is your experience not the general trend.

Pr0ton:
1. That a human was called god doesn't validate that its attributes as a god existed. The human existed as a human and not as a god with super powers. Therefore god in the god sense didn't and doesn't exist.

Yes, that's true.

Pr0ton:
2. Not all gods have human references. The monotheistic religions at least state explicitly that their god is not a man.

Yes, it's true that not all gods have human references. But all the gods worshipped in religions have human-like traits, including Yahweh and Allah.

They're all deified humans judging from the their traits in the religious texts. Can you give me examples of a monotheistic religion?

If you want to say Christianity, don't forget the religion was established on the concept of trinity in Catholicism.

Also, Muslims like to paint Allah as a monotheistic god but by the time you study the history of the other religions predating Islam and see how different gods formed a trinity and are worshipped together as a God-head (one God), then it becomes clear the same practice is in Islam.

In many parts of Qur'an, We is used to refer to God. That is a God-head you're looking at or a group of gods existing or worshipped as a single God.

But most Muslims and Christians didn't take the time to study the history of older religions predating Christianity and Islam to see that almost all the concepts in the two Abrahamic religions were stolen from paganism.

Pr0ton:
3. You're making assumptions that possible advanced extraterrestrial lives are gods. I would take this as wishful thinking. That some other form of life is more advanced than us doesn't make them gods no more that we are gods to insects. They are just that. Advanced beings.

I clearly said the entities religious people call gods are advanced beings. I don't use the word god personally to refer to them.

If these advanced beings are existing in other parts of the Universe, I don't see them as gods or God.

Pr0ton:
4. You're moving from the concept of god defined by religion to a concept of god defined as the creator of the universe.

No, in any Abrahamic religion, the entity worshipped as God is called the creator of the universe. That's how the concept is in the religions, not my own making.

Pr0ton:
I can agree with you that there might be a source of the universe but to label this source god before we even find it (if we could ever find it) is, again, wishful thinking. The so called source might not even be conscious. It could just a scientific phenomenon. We should be open minded as to what this source might be and not label it beforehand god, else you wouldn't be open minded.

I never told you that if the Universe has a maker, it has to be a god or God. That's your own conclusion.

Pr0ton:
5. You can't use the word god for two different things. I.E i) a religious god that religious people worship. ii) a non religious concept that can be regarded as the source of the universe. If you ask me if the god of (i) exists, I will tell you no, it doesn't exist. If you ask me the same of (ii) I'll have to ask you why you think the source of the universe is or has to be a conscious being and if this is your definition of being open minded as to the origin of the universe.

You don't know the god worshipped in any Abrahamic religion is taken as the creator of the universe or the source/maker of all things?

You obviously haven't taken the time to study the Bible and Qur'an then.

You clearly don't understand what I said below, especially the highlighted because this comment of yours isn't related to my statement:

"The word god or God is man-made, but that doesn't mean all those entities worshipped in religions never existed on this planet at some time in the past and that doesn't also mean the Universe doesn't have an Origin or Source, which you might call God or refer to in another way."

I never said anything about the Source or Origin being God or a conscious being. Take your time to read posts before reacting to them.

Pr0ton:
6. You have to clear the air first by stating (a) whether or not the religious god exists or (b) if god to you as a mere explanation for the source of the universe is what you call god and not god in the religious sense or (c) if both are supposed to be the same. If you can clear this then we will be having a clear bone of contention.

If you understand the post you quoted, you won't be asking me this.

On this subject of gods' existence or non-existence, I regard all the entities called gods in religions as the early beings or the first settlers on this planet who created early humans in their image, taught them languages, and civilized them.

That's my own stance.

And there are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world and in religious texts and their histories in support of this position.

A001:
You clearly don't understand most of the things I said up there. But that's fine.

You clearly don't understand most of the things I said up there.But that's fine.

A001:
Yes, that's true.

Yes, it's true that not all gods have human references. But all the gods worshipped in religions have human-like traits, including Yahweh and Allah.

They're all defied humans judging from the their traits in the religious texts. Can you give me examples of a monotheistic religion?

If you want to say Christianity, don't forget the religion was established on the concept of trinity in Catholicism.

Also, Muslims like to paint Allah as a monotheistic god but by the time you study the history of the other religions predating Islam and see how different gods formed a trinity and are worshipped together as a God-head (one God), then it becomes clear the same practice is in Islam.

In many parts of Qur'an, We is used to refer to God. That is a God-head you're looking at or a group of gods existing or worshipped as a single God.

But most Muslims and Christians didn't take the time to study the history of older religions predating Christianity and Islam to see that almost all the concepts in the two Abrahamic religions were stolen from paganism.

I clearly said the entities religious people call gods are advanced beings. I don't use the word god personally to refer to them.

If these advanced beings are existing in other parts of the Universe, I don't see them as gods or God.

No, in any Abrahamic religion, the entity worshipped as God is called the creator of the universe. That's how the concept is in the religions, not my own making.

I never told you that if the Universe has a maker, it has to be a god or God. That's your own conclusion.

You don't know the god worshipped in any Abrahamic religion is taken as the creator of the universe or the source/maker of all things?

You obviously haven't taken the time to study the Bible and Qur'an then.

You clearly don't understand what I said below, especially the highlighted because this comment of yours isn't related to my statement:

"The word god or God is man-made, but that doesn't mean all those entities worshipped in religions never existed on this planet at some time in the past and that doesn't also mean the Universe doesn't have an Origin or Source, which you might call God or refer to in another way."

I never said anything about the Source or Origin being God or a conscious being. Take your time to read posts before reacting to them.

If you understand the post you quoted, you won't be asking me this.

On this subject of gods' existence or non-existence, I regard all the entities called gods in religions as the early beings or the first settlers on this planet who created early humans in their image, taught them languages, and civilized them.

That's my own stance.

And there are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world and in religious texts and their histories in support of this position.

Gods/Spirits can't exist
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There are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world in support of this position...

Another keyboard warrior.

AllahIsGarbage:
Please stay in school dimwit

What is Freud's god/religion assertion?
I've read of Freud but never read Freud.

sageb:
This your assertion corroborate with the psychonalytic psychology proponent, Sigmund Freud.
He termed it " A childlike Neurosis "
Do you believe Freudian assertion about God and Religion?

Amalarudeen:
because you fkin can't.

Nope, because I choose not to. They are set in their ways, their hearts like stone, and it is only the mercy of God that can change them.

Ishilove:
Nope, because I choose not to. They are set in their ways, their hearts like stone, and it is only the mercy of God that can change them.

I don't like what I am passing through

A001:
Yes, that's true.

Yes, it's true that not all gods have human references. But all the gods worshipped in religions have human-like traits, including Yahweh and Allah.

They're all defied humans judging from the their traits in the religious texts. Can you give me examples of a monotheistic religion?

If you want to say Christianity, don't forget the religion was established on the concept of trinity in Catholicism.

Also, Muslims like to paint Allah as a monotheistic god but by the time you study the history of the other religions predating Islam and see how different gods formed a trinity and are worshipped together as a God-head (one God), then it becomes clear the same practice is in Islam.

In many parts of Qur'an, We is used to refer to God. That is a God-head you're looking at or a group of gods existing or worshipped as a single God.

But most Muslims and Christians didn't take the time to study the history of older religions predating Christianity and Islam to see that almost all the concepts in the two Abrahamic religions were stolen from paganism.

I clearly said the entities religious people call gods are advanced beings. I don't use the word god personally to refer to them.

If these advanced beings are existing in other parts of the Universe, I don't see them as gods or God.

No, in any Abrahamic religion, the entity worshipped as God is called the creator of the universe. That's how the concept is in the religions, not my own making.

I never told you that if the Universe has a maker, it has to be a god or God. That's your own conclusion.

You don't know the god worshipped in any Abrahamic religion is taken as the creator of the universe or the source/maker of all things?

You obviously haven't taken the time to study the Bible and Qur'an then.

You clearly don't understand what I said below, especially the highlighted because this comment of yours isn't related to my statement:

"The word god or God is man-made, but that doesn't mean all those entities worshipped in religions never existed on this planet at some time in the past and that doesn't also mean the Universe doesn't have an Origin or Source, which you might call God or refer to in another way."

I never said anything about the Source or Origin being God or a conscious being. Take your time to read posts before reacting to them.

If you understand the post you quoted, you won't be asking me this.

On this subject of gods' existence or non-existence, I regard all the entities called gods in religions as the early beings or the first settlers on this planet who created early humans in their image, taught them languages, and civilized them.

That's my own stance.

And there are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world and in religious texts and their histories in support of this position.

I can infer from your post that your take on religious gods is that they are some early advanced humans who once lived on this planet. If you believe this to be true why then are you an agnostic and not a theist? Because that statement shows you acknowledge them to have existed at some point in time on this planet. I have quoted the statement below:

On this subject of gods' existence or non-existence, I regard all the entities called gods in religions as the early beings or the first settlers on this planet who created early humans in their image, taught them languages, and civilized them.

That's my own stance.

And there are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world and in religious texts and their histories in support of this position.

Or is your definition of God/god different from what a theist would call God/god?

Can you give me examples of a monotheistic religion?

I could have pointed out Christianity as a monotheistic religion but since there can be a never ending disagreement on that line I would be offering you a religion with a clearer view on monotheism - Judaism.

Pr0ton:
I can infer from your post that your take on religious gods is that they are some early advanced humans who once lived on this planet.

Yes, which means I don't believe in any god, and those entities must have also come from a (unknown) Source like all things in existence. I don't do beliefs, but knowledge.

Pr0ton:
If you believe this to be true why then are you an agnostic and not a theist?

God, if it exists, is unknown or unknowable.

Pr0ton:
Because that statement shows you acknowledge them to have existed at some point in time on this planet. I have quoted the statement below:
Or is your definition of God/god different from what a theist would call God/god?

I don't see or refer to them as gods. I thought I made that clear in my posts.

A001:
Yes, which means I don't believe in any god, and those entities must have also come from a (unknown) Source like all things in existence. I don't do beliefs, but knowledge.

God, if it exists, is unknown or unknowable.

I don't see or refer to them as gods. I thought I made that clear in my posts.

Now we are clear that the unknown or unknowable God you as an agnostic talk about is not the same as the God the theist talk about. And you, just like an atheist, do not believe in the theist God/gods.

Yes, which means I don't believe in any god, and those entities must have also come from a (unknown) Source like all things in existence. I don't do beliefs, but knowledge.

Please why then do you think atheists are dogmatic when they disregard the theist God?

And I'm going to assume (correct me if I'm wrong) where you disagree with atheists is when you think they disregard the "unknown" or "unknowable" God, which you have defined earlier as the source of all things.

If all I have pointed out above are correct, then congratulations on realising you're an atheist. Just like you, atheists disregard the theist God/gods. Just like you, atheists agree the source of all things is unknown and most likely will be unknowable. I think this is where you guys get the confusion.

Realtalk20:
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Hunger is causing it. When you are hungry and frustrated you become angry at everyone and everything. You curse your parents , you curse your debtors and those who you are owing money too. You curse your lineage and country and finally your curse your creator and suddenly stop believing in anything due to a rumbling empty stomach

All these so called atheists in Nigeria are hungry ,broke people who have tried to borrow money from everywhere no one helped them. They prayed countless times for help and none came,They converted from Christianity to Islam and back n forth looking for money to rent a one room to sleep in.

Finally one guy is claims to be an atheist gave them 2k to eat which looks like 1 billion to them and immediately they join and start ranting that so called Christians and Muslims are evil ... All because of 2k

if this is it isn't it worthy to be a atheist
upon all their prayers no Christian and Muslim could give them 2k to eat and you still want them to remain like that

Pr0ton:
Now we are clear that the unknown or unknowable God you as an agnostic talk about is not the same as the God the theist talk about. And you, just like an atheist, do not believe in the theist God/gods.



Please why then do you think atheists are dogmatic when they disregard the theist God?

And I'm going to assume (correct me if I'm wrong) where you disagree with atheists is when you think they disregard the "unknown" or "unknowable" God, which you have defined earlier as the source of all things.

If all I have pointed out above are correct, then congratulations in realising you're an atheist. Just like you, atheists disregard the theist God/gods. Just like you, atheists agree the source of all things is unknown and most likely will be unknowable. I think this is where you guys get the confusion.

I'm not an atheist. But I agree with an atheist on many issues concerning religion and life generally.

VULCAN:
Your statement is based on your ignorance of history.

Looking at the current lifestyles of the people in the West and making such a judgement is due to your refusal to study how these countries came about.

Western education was brought to Nigeria by missionaries from Great Britain.

The United States was established by people who wanted to worship God without persecution due to the different religious belief of the King of England.

You actually know nothing about the topic you are talking about.

The current generations in the West are enjoying the fruit of the labour of all the people who lived and died over the past hundreds of years.

And almost all of those people were religious.

The same can be said for the Middle East and Asia

so, African countries and other poverty infested climes have no history of religion?

Ynix:
Do you guys have some belief system
Do you guys look up to someone or some people
Do you guys get recruited or recruit others.
If it is so then those are the characteristics of a religion

Like I said it isn’t meant to be a belief.
No recruit
No fellowship
No persuasion


Just knowing that humans exist with eyes and shouldn’t be told there is something they can’t see