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Post independence - Kenya curriculum was overhauled - and Africa history taught - and kenyan history re-written. British called Mau Mau terrorist. They were changed to freedom fighters. The same need to happen in South Africa. We also renamed all roads, lakes, name it except for the few white people who were not racist or names that were generic.

South Africa has tried to rename - but it need to complete change the curriculum - and to teach more Africa content. Otherwise xenophibia is happening because education has failed to make SA understand that their struggles are similar Africa struggles. It better to deport than kill a fellow African who is economic refugee.

One get impression that SA have US like exceptionalism mindset - they think ANC was only struggle against white rule - and they are somewhat better than Africans.

Solution - teach them about Africa. It very embarrasing when one doesnt even know about Kenya or Nairobi. it's like you live in a hole. In Kenya people at least can tell you most countries or at least know it west or south africa...

TMKsouth:
That's democratic progress indeed . I now remember the annulment of the last elections, almost forgot.

As for African education, #RhodesMustFall.and #FeesMust Fall called for the decolonization of SA education - I don't know how much things have changed since.

Yeah, I noticed most people were pretty offended by Malawi's lack of knowledge regarding Kenya . Those same people also didn't mention SA much when asked about their ideal African country unlike with Zimbabweans where SA declared a whitewash

rvp2018:
Post independence - Kenya curriculum was overhauled - and Africa history taught - and kenyan history re-written. British called Mau Mau terrorist. They were changed to freedom fighters. The same need to happen in South Africa. We also renamed all roads, lakes, name it except for the few white people who were not racist or names that were generic.

South Africa has tried to rename - but it need to complete change the curriculum - and to teach more Africa content. Otherwise xenophibia is happening because education has failed understand that their struggles are similar Africa struggles. It better to deport than kill a fellow African who is economic refugee.

One get impression that SA have US like exceptionalism mindset - they think ANC was only struggle against white rule - and they are somewhat better than Africans.

Solution - teach them about Africa. It very embarrasing when one doesnt even know about Kenya or Nairobi. it's like you live in a hole. In Kenya people at least can most countries or at least know it west or south africa...

SA curriculum at basic education level has changed so many times over the last 25 years I lost count at Outcomes Based Education (OBE) and Curriculum 2000. All of them have had poor outcomes, compared to public expectations. I don't have children so not keeping tabs on the levels of African education in the current syllabus, unfortunately.

The renaming of towns and streets is ongoing, but rather unpopular during times of economic downturn as people feel the resources could be better spent elsewhere. There's also still resistance from the white population as they still remain in the country unlike in most other countries where they left, therefore the consultation process takes longer. Kudos to Kenya for getting all that out of the way from the onset.

I think foreigners get killed in SA because the government is not doing its job of deportations. I totally condemn it though, and the numbers aren't as large as most people think. Very often South Africans are the ones who are killed in numbers during outbursts of xenophobia at the hands of the police. That never gets reported overseas.

Yeah, with the huge amounts that the SA government spends on education (a fifth of the budget) we should be getting better outcomes - it's a crime not to know Nairobi, of all places. But unfortunately for SA Africa begins and ends in Zimbabwe and Nigeria - for obvious reasons.

In short the only way for a South African to know about Africa is personal experience. It like zero education. Yes kenya now changed their education system to CBC - and people are afraid we could go South Africa way. But I think South Africa has historical problem of deliberate apartheid miseducation of blacks...the tiny white minority knew they could only stay longer if they keep african stupid.

In kenya we are dealing with problem where everyone knows so much about everything - and are not really expert on doing anything.

A random kenyan can engage any foreigner on their country issues. The problem now is it worthwhile knowing all that...or would you rather have practical skills about your trade - and just know things through personal travel or stories?

South africa type of I know Kenya because I know a Kenyan.

TMKsouth:
But unfortunately for SA Africa begins and ends in Zimbabwe and Nigeria.

rvp2018:
In short the only way for a South African to know about Africa is personal experience. It like zero education. Yes kenya now changed their education system to CBC - and people are afraid we could go South Africa way. But I think South Africa has historical problem of deliberate apartheid miseducation of blacks...the tiny white minority knew they could only stay longer if they keep african stupid.

In kenya we are dealing with problem where everyone knows so much about everything - and are not really expert on doing anything.

A random kenyan can engage any foreigner on their country issues. The problem now is it worthwhile knowing all that...or would you rather have practical skills about your trade - and just know things through personal travel or stories?

South africa type of I know Kenya because I know a Kenyan.

I totally get what you're saying. And that's the exact case in the video - those guys have Kenyan friends, not that they learnt it in school.

That's some great insight u shared into what Kenyans are like - very interesting. The bolded part made me laugh though - I hope that was the intention.

What does CBC stand for?

Yes if you ask Kenyan about South Africa - they will tell you they know Mandela - or Malema or Zuma or Semenya - not that they have met any south african in real life. They know what they were taught or have watched in news. It almost unlikely you will hear someone saying he knows a country because he has a friend from that country.

Kenya education started off with British system - under joint East Africa Education. When East Africa fell apart - we decide to relook our education - and went Canadian system. It 8-4-4 - the major difference unlike the British education system that focus on basic core education - STEM - 8-4-4 tried to teach kids almost everything. In my primary time we did at some point almost 20 subjects. I remember I had 25 textbooks. It was crazy we did almost any subject imaginable - the idea then was that kids who dont advance would pick one of 20 subject and make it their vocation -say woodwork or mechanic.

If you not seen kids study - come to Kenya - we use to wake up 3am in high school - in primary kids are in class by 5-6am - till around midnight. It was crazy. The workload was too much. We use to carry 25 books in our little backs. The exams were brutal. We basically spend all our youth life studying...boarding and private school were even more rigorous. It worse than jail - almost every year - kids burn schools - rioted - and all that - even this year kids are still doing that - because kenya education system is just too much.

Obviously it was bad idea - because kenya became expert in woodwork but had never seen even a saw or hammer - schools simply didnt have facilities to make it practical - so we end up becoming experts in everything but theoretical.

There have been attempts to change from 20 plus subject to 10 to 5 subjects....but eventually we have started CBC.

CBC is competence based education - more like doing away with exams...giving kids options to specialize....and have different paths based on talent. There is no need for you to study history....if youre interested in woodwork and capentry.

The biggest impact will come with doing away with exams - because kenyans are worse than chinese or indians...it crazy...school start 3 am...you sleep around midnight...and you still fail.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrYNvnB_lLY

Problems start with rigorous of education

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS-aETtbK6c

TMKsouth:
I totally get what you're saying. And that's the exact case in the video - those guys have Kenyan friends, not that they learnt it in school.

That's some great insight u shared into what Kenyans are like - very interesting. The bolded part made me laugh though - I hope that was the intention.

What does CBC stand for?

Kenya education is great but if you have options like me I wont have my kids in a kenya boarding school This a girls school fire - caused by too much exam pressure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc2N-Su9ubg

I personally participated in two high school strikes - as a protest to the inhumane prison like conditions in the school - so CBC is god send.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51jB1wq8yAY

Mkenya2019:
Yes if you ask Kenyan about South Africa - they will tell you they know Mandela - or Malema or Zuma or Semenya - not that they have met any south african in real life. They know what they were taught or have watched in news. It almost unlikely you will hear someone saying he knows a country because he has a friend from that country.

Kenya education started off with British system - under joint East Africa Education. When East Africa fell apart - we decide to relook our education - and went Canadian system. It 8-4-4 - the major difference unlike the British education system that focus on basic core education - STEM - 8-4-4 tried to teach kids almost everything. In my primary time we did at some point almost 20 subjects. I remember I had 25 textbooks. It was crazy we did almost any subject imaginable - the idea then was that kids who dont advance would pick one of 20 subject and make it their vocation -say woodwork or mechanic.

If you not seen kids study - come to Kenya - we use to wake up 3am in high school - in primary kids are in class by 5-6am - till around midnight. It was crazy. The workload was too much. We use to carry 25 books in our little backs. The exams were brutal. We basically spend all our youth life studying.. .boarding and private school were even more rigorous. It worse than jail - almost every year - kids burn schools - rioted - and all that - even this year kids are still doing that - because kenya education system is just too much.

Obviously it was bad idea - because kenya became expert in woodwork but had never seen even a saw or hammer - schools simply didnt have facilities to make it practical - so we end up becoming experts in everything but theoretical.

There have been attempts to change from 20 plus subject to 10 to 5 subjects....but eventually we have started CBC.

CBC is competence based education - more like doing away with exams...giving kids options to specialize....and have different paths based on talent. There is no need for you to study history....if youre interested in woodwork and capentry.

The biggest impact will come with doing away with exams - because kenyans are worse than chinese or indians...it crazy...school start 3 am...you sleep around midnight...and you still fail.

Damn, so they're burning schools coz they feel.the workload is too much? In SA there's also a trend to burn schools and anything else as a form of protest for lack of basic service delivery in the communities. I think thats more absurd actually.

The 8-4-4 system sounds brutal I must say - and it's ridiculous in an environment were there are no labs or workshops to do practicals in. So are those facilities being put in place now in preparation for CBC?

It sounds similar to OBE in SA and rsvp did say there were comparisons with SA in that regard. SA took it to extremes where kids were no longer allowed to be failed if everyone else passed and pass marks lowered to.ridiculous levels - it was a philosophical debate with terrible outcomes. I think it has since been dropped. Avoid that at all costs.

Your part that I bolded really struck me

rvp2018:
In short the only way for a South African to know about Africa is personal experience. It like zero education. Yes kenya now changed their education system to CBC - and people are afraid we could go South Africa way. But I think South Africa has historical problem of deliberate apartheid miseducation of blacks...the tiny white minority knew they could only stay longer if they keep african stupid.

In kenya we are dealing with problem where everyone knows so much about everything - and are not really expert on doing anything.

A random kenyan can engage any foreigner on their country issues. The problem now is it worthwhile knowing all that...or would you rather have practical skills about your trade - and just know things through personal travel or stories?

South africa type of I know Kenya because I know a Kenyan.

You can blame South Africa, everyone comes here for opportunities even Kenyans.

Same way Americans don't know about other places, because everyone flocks there. It is not in their interest to know these places! Except when you wanna expand investments.

Only reason why other Africans know more about others is because searching of opportunities

Yeah most experts are afraid CBC will become a failure like South Africa - it's now it's 5th or six year of implementation. I personally have my kids on IGSCE - so it doesnt affect me. But I know what has made kenya is quality education - brutal exams and competition is part of the deal.

Now with CBC - they are no exams - just assessment - where everyone pass. Real life require brutal competition.

Most kenyan didnt like 8-4-4 because they associate with former dictator Moi. The old British school system guys didnt like the new systems.

But education outcomes of 8-4-4 were great - nearly all assessment put Kenya top in Africa and no one ever came to kenya - and lacked qualified staff.

Kenya school unrest is not due behavioral issue like say US black schools - it mostly around exam time. Kenya exams are brutal and most kenyans know without education - you're done.

TMKsouth:
Damn, so they're burning schools coz they feel.the workload is too much? In SA there's also a trend to burn schools and anything else as a form of protest for lack of basic service delivery in the communities. I think thats more absurd actually.

The 8-4-4 system sounds brutal I must say - and it's ridiculous in an environment were there are no labs or workshops to do practicals in. So are those facilities being put in place now in preparation for CBC?

It sounds similar to OBE in SA and rsvp did say there were comparisons with SA in that regard. SA took it to extremes where kids were no longer allowed to be failed if everyone else passed and pass marks lowered to.ridiculous levels - it was a philosophical debate with terrible outcomes. I think it has since been dropped. Avoid that at all costs.

Your part that I bolded really struck me

TMKsouth:
Damn, so they're burning schools coz they feel.the workload is too much? In SA there's also a trend to burn schools and anything else as a form of protest for lack of basic service delivery in the communities. I think thats more absurd actually.

The 8-4-4 system sounds brutal I must say - and it's ridiculous in an environment were there are no labs or workshops to do practicals in. So are those facilities being put in place now in preparation for CBC?

It sounds similar to OBE in SA and rsvp did say there were comparisons with SA in that regard. SA took it to extremes where kids were no longer allowed to be failed if everyone else passed and pass marks lowered to.ridiculous levels - it was a philosophical debate with terrible outcomes. I think it has since been dropped. Avoid that at all costs.

Your part that I bolded really struck me

Education is getting a change!

Last yeaR Coding and Robotics was phased in for grade 1-3

Next year it sits grades 4-7

By 2024 it will be mainstream in the curriculum!
This is one step closer in attaining 4IR,

Education is suppose to expand your horizon - without you going everywhere. That is a systemic failure of SA education. That kind of insularity is not good.

At minimum you should know the Africa continent - at least the basic map.

AfriqueDuZuid:
You can blame South Africa, everyone comes here for opportunities even Kenyans.

Same way Americans don't know about other places, because everyone flocks there. It is not in their interest to know these places! Except when you wanna expand investments.

Only reason why other Africans know more about others is because searching of opportunities

Mkenya2019:
Yeah most experts are afraid CBC will become a failure like South Africa - it's now it's 5th or six year of implementation. I personally have my kids on IGSCE - so it doesnt affect me. But I know what has made kenya is quality education - brutal exams and competition is part of the deal.

Now with CBC - they are no exams - just assessment - where everyone pass. Real life require brutal competition.

Most kenyan didnt like 8-4-4 because they associate with former dictator Moi. The old British school system guys didnt like the new systems.

But education outcomes of 8-4-4 were great - nearly all assessment put Kenya top in Africa and no one ever came to kenya - and lacked qualified staff.

Kenya school unrest is not due behavioral issue like say US black schools - it mostly around exam time. Kenya exams are brutal and most kenyans know without education - you're done.

Damn, CBC really does sound like OBE - why did u guys even think it was ok to.adopt it after it failed in SA?

I guess Kenya has to adopt 8-4-4 to modern realities, otherwise you'll end up like South Korea with high teen suicide rates.

Don't let Zimbabweans hear u say u had the best education in Africa, you'll argue for days

AfriqueDuZuid:
Education is getting a change!

Last yeaR Coding and Robotics was phased in for grade 1-3

Next year it sits grades 4-7

By 2024 it will be mainstream in the curriculum!
This is one step closer in attaining 4IR,

Yeah, I remember it's one of Ramaphosa's top priorities in education. But they still need history, geography, humanities lessons though, everything can't just be maths, science and robotics - there should be a holistic approach otherwise they'll become soulless beings.

Mkenya2019:
Education is suppose to expand your horizon - without you going everywhere. That is a systemic failure of SA education. That kind of insularity is not good.

At minimum you should know the Africa continent - at least the basic map.

if learning about Malawi serves no purpose in their lives why would someone learn about it, it's waste of resources.

But would add learning about UAE, would be more of learning curve on how it got massive growth and development. Those are good study cases.

Yes CBC and OBE are the same - some parents have gone to court - but South Africa failure is quoted as good example why it cant work - because South Africa spend more than Kenya can afford - and education outcomes were worse.

It been the main topic for some years now as parents have to do a lot - print this - collect this - CBC is problem the 2nd most important thing in most people mind.

Zim had good education - but the last two lost decades I am sure has impacted them.

For now they are Somalia - just look for anything to latch onto.

I ambivalent about CBC - I know here in Europe it works - Germany/Swiss/France - have CBC like system - though French are still particular on academics.

It maybe too late for the court to intervene - the 1st CBC lot are going to junior high school next year.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/national/article/2001430175/cbc-petition-to-be-heard-by-judge-bench-court-directs

TMKsouth:
Damn, CBC really does sound like OBE - why did u guys even think it was ok to.adopt it after it failed in SA?

I guess Kenya has to adopt 8-4-4 to modern realities, otherwise you'll end up like South Korea with high teen suicide rates.

Don't let Zimbabweans hear u say u had the best education in Africa, you'll argue for days

TMKsouth:
Yeah, I remember it's one of Ramaphosa's top priorities in education. But they still need history, geography, humanities lessons though, everything can't just be maths, science and robotics - there should be a holistic approach otherwise they'll become soulless beings.

History is important but history must be selective I believe. Leaning about mansa Musa would be of importance to you as a South African?

I think learning more about excluded South African history would be more important!

AfriqueDuZuid:
if learning about Malawi serves no purpose in their lives why would someone learn about it, it's waste of resources.

But would add learning about UAE, would be more of learning curve on how it got massive growth and development. Those are good study cases.

But it's also important to learn why Malawians are trooping into SA buddy, formal education is needed in that regard to understand what the issues are over there. Plus it also helps when we take our investments and products over there to understand the market.

If South Africa has Pan-African dreams it only make sense to teach their kids about Africa. But if you have dreams to do more business with UAE than Malawi go for it. It's all about curriculum. I would expect South African kid to know about their country, SADC/SACU then Africa. Before anything else. Maybe Netherlands for the Boers.

As for Kenya we are proudly African and Pan-African. We think its important to teach our kids about Africa - be it poorest Burundi or Somalia - or the richest like Mauritus. We teach our kids deeply about kenya of course. Then East Africa - TZ/KE/RWA/BU/SU - then Africa.

AfriqueDuZuid:
if learning about Malawi serves no purpose in their lives why would someone learn about it, it's waste of resources.

But would add learning about UAE, would be more of learning curve on how it got massive growth and development. Those are good study cases.

TMKsouth:
Yeah, I remember it's one of Ramaphosa's top priorities in education. But they still need history, geography, humanities lessons though, everything can't just be maths, science and robotics - there should be a holistic approach otherwise they'll become soulless beings.

We all did geography in primary, it's not by design that people tend to forget other places, migration culture of other citizens in other countries is what leads them to know about other countries. Take Zimbabwe, Nigerians, Kenya etc they always look outwards for opportunities

When countries like, SA, US etc they look inwards

Mkenya2019:
Yes CBC and OBE are the same - some parents have gone to court - but South Africa failure is quoted as good example why it cant work - because South Africa spend more than Kenya can afford - and education outcomes were worse.

It been the main topic for some years now as parents have to do a lot - print this - collect this - CBC is problem the 2nd most important thing in most people mind.

Zim had good education - but the last two lost decades I am sure has impacted them.

For now they are Somalia - just look for anything to latch onto.

I ambivalent about CBC - I know here in Europe it works - Germany/Swiss/France - have CBC like system - though French are still particular on academics.

It maybe too late for the court to intervene - the 1st CBC lot are going to junior high school next year.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/national/article/2001430175/cbc-petition-to-be-heard-by-judge-bench-court-directs

LOL, the bolded paragraph is so true - I've seen that a lot with my nieces. And the kids chill when they return from school and only announce at night that such and such is needed Yeah, CBB/OBE is ok in developed societies and private schooling system here in Africa.

Mkenya2019:
If South Africa has Pan-African dreams it only make sense to teach their kids about Africa. But if you have dreams to do more business with UAE than Malawi go for it. It's all about curriculum. I would expect South African kid to know about their country, SADC/SACU then Africa. Before anything else. Maybe Netherlands for the Boers.

As for Kenya we are proudly African and Pan-African. We think its important to teach our kids about Africa - being it poorest Burundi or Somalia - or the richest like Mauritus.

SOUTH AFRICANS are not on the panafrican bandwagon. Yeah trade good but panafrican thing naah.

South Africans are more patriotic to their own, and what benefits them first.

That is why you struggling in Africa and now retreating to RSA - when based on your economic muscle -you'd basically colonize Africa - provide opportunities for your companies and people.

As matter of principles - I would teach your kids about Africa.

RSA are increasingly losing their geopolitical importance - now you're almost equal to Kenya, nigeria and egypt.

Few years - Kenya will even manage you

AfriqueDuZuid:
We all did geography in primary, it's not by design that people tend to forget other places, migration culture of other citizens in other countries is what leads them to know about other countries. Take Zimbabwe, Nigerians, Kenya etc they always look outwards for opportunities

When countries like, SA, US etc they look inwards

AfriqueDuZuid:
We all did geography in primary, it's not by design that people tend to forget other places, migration culture of other citizens in other countries is what leads them to know about other countries. Take Zimbabwe, Nigerians, Kenya etc they always look outwards for opportunities

When countries like, SA, US etc they look inwards

True in parts, I guess SA feels we need to learn more about countries we look up to - on a higher level than us. But Africa is also changing and as u can see with the current Omicron travel bans we gonna have to look closer to home for investment opportunities and political alliances. The West is not really our friend.

I think you can deal immigration headache and still be pan-african. Yes South African has had to bear a heavy cost in immigration from poor countries but it such insularity that caused Zim mess.

If you had taken keen interest in Zim - it wont have collapsed and spread her misery to your country.

But Mbeki said - we dont care about Zim and Rob Mugabe - but soon you have 10 million in your borders.

Start to care. South Africa could have stood up to UK and allies....and prevented Zim economic meltdown....you pretended to be smart.

Now who is smarter now. 10 million illegal immigrants.

AfriqueDuZuid:
SOUTH AFRICANS are not on the panafrican bandwagon. Yeah trade good but panafrican thing naah.

South Africans are more patriotic to their own, and what benefits them first.

Mkenya2019:
If South Africa has Pan-African dreams it only make sense to teach their kids about Africa. But if you have dreams to do more business with UAE than Malawi go for it. It's all about curriculum. I would expect South African kid to know about their country, SADC/SACU then Africa. Before anything else. Maybe Netherlands for the Boers.

As for Kenya we are proudly African and Pan-African. We think its important to teach our kids about Africa - be it poorest Burundi or Somalia - or the richest like Mauritus. We teach our kids deeply about kenya of course. Then East Africa - TZ/KE/RWA/BU/SU - then Africa.

If learning about Germany how it became automative giant, how it translated to helping South Africa develop its own, I say up with it.

Learning more Africa will reveal more into how, many countries CLAIM to have helped SA during apartheid, when they know they didn't.

At least you most Kenyans know that they did nothing,

Until Africa develop - you aint developing. Unless you enact apertheid. So it better you lift small boats. Look at HIV-AIDS - it came to your door. Look at COVID -19 . Look at immigration.

Dont think you can develop as island unless you go back Boer pariah state.

Therefore it important for Southern Africa countries to float together....then you can champion pan-africanism.

Otherwise you cannot unplug yourself to Europe. Africa will pull you down.

AfriqueDuZuid:
If learning about Germany how it became automative giant, how it translated to helping South Africa develop its own, I say up with it.

Learning more Africa will reveal more into how, many countries CLAIM to have helped SA during apartheid, when they know they didn't.

At least you most Kenyans know that they did nothing,

Mkenya2019:
I think you can deal immigration headache and still be pan-african. Yes South African has had to bear a heavy cost in immigration from poor countries but it such insularity that caused Zim mess.

If you had taken keen interest in Zim - it wont have collapsed and spread her misery to your country.

But Mbeki said - we dont care about Zim and Rob Mugabe - but soon you have 10 million in your borders.

Start to care. South Africa could have stood up to UK and allies....and prevented Zim economic meltdown....you pretended to be smart.

Now who is smarter now. 10 million illegal immigrants.

Zimbabwean mess is caused by Zimbabweans, Zimbabweans did not fight back for their country because they are cowards.

It's their cowardness that makes them blame SA for their problems, Zimbabwean is a sovereign state. SA has no mandate in Zimbabwe.

Don't worry about immigration, it's being dealt with as we speak at has begun with no renewal of Zimbabwe special permits, blocking of Zim health workers, Making a wall along Mozambique border, etc

ANC suffered heavy defeats in previous local elections, they starting to take serious, they got 46% nationally from 55% in 2016

Hopefully. Mbeki your tribesman was a disaster. Not Zuma. I believe RSA would have done better on two things that have dragged it down the last lost decade
1) Zim
2) HIV-AIDS.
Mbeki failed and Zuma get blamed.

Yes you gotta put your foot down on immigration. Everyone will understand. Xenophobia is already good excuse gov to do nationwide crackdown on illegal immigrants.

Any sane country can kick such immigrants in few weeks in national crackdown and deportation. Then enforce strict immigration with heavy penalities.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Zimbabwean mess is caused by Zimbabweans, Zimbabweans did not fight back for their country because they are cowards.

It's their cowardness that makes them blame SA for their problems, Zimbabwean is a sovereign state. SA has no mandate in Zimbabwe.

Don't worry about immigration, it's being dealt with as we speak at has begun with no renewal of Zimbabwe special permits, blocking of Zim health workers, Making a wall along Mozambique border, etc

ANC suffered heavy defeats in previous local elections, they starting to take serious, they got 46% nationally from 55% in 2016

Mkenya2019:
Until Africa develop - you aint developing. Unless you enact apertheid. So it better you lift small boats. Look at HIV-AIDS - it came to your door. Look at COVID -19 . Look at immigration.

Dont think you can develop as island unless you go back Boer pariah state.

Therefore it important for Southern Africa countries to float together....then you can champion pan-africanism.

Otherwise you cannot unplug yourself to Europe. Africa will pull you down.

Botswana, Namibia are doing well
Eswatini is good too, it has even higher gdp per cpt than Kenya, even better Healthcare.

Zimbabwe and Mozambique are being dealt with now

HIV is not a big issue anymore, Covid is a global thing

Immigration is being dealt with now

Mkenya2019:
Hopefully. Mbeki your tribesman was a disaster. Not Zuma. I believe RSA would have done better on two things that have dragged it down the last lost decade
1) Zim
2) HIV-AIDS.
Mbeki failed and Zuma get blamed.

Yes you gotta put your foot down on immigration. Everyone will understand.

HIV is not an issue anymore, Our mistake is trying to help Zim but it's being dealt with.

Zuma was the biggest mistake to happen to SA

The effect of disastrous mbeki policies manifested in Zuma era. Hiv-Aids - mess - when Uganda had in 90s proved it was possible to defeat - and Zim.
Zuma corruption is not big deal.

At least now hiv-aids has been dealt with - what a waste - it almost 30yrs when Museveni defeated HIV-AIDS.

AfriqueDuZuid:
HIV is not an issue anymore, Our mistake is trying to help Zim but it's being dealt with.

Zuma was the biggest mistake to happen to SA

Mkenya2019:
Until Africa develop - you aint developing. Unless you enact apertheid. So it better you lift small boats. Look at HIV-AIDS - it came to your door. Look at COVID -19 . Look at immigration.

Dont think you can develop as island unless you go back Boer pariah state.

Therefore it important for Southern Africa countries to float together....then you can champion pan-africanism.

Otherwise you cannot unplug yourself to Europe. Africa will pull you down.

Kenya is neighbor to burundu, Uganda, Somalia, Rwanda

I'm just saying, only country doing well is you and Tanzania, Ethiopia will bounce back

But you are surrounded by countries doing bad