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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ShadowWalker00(m): 11:45pm On Dec 11, 2021
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Skimpledawg(m): 4:38am On Dec 12, 2021
Leyqute:


Na injury say make e get 2 goals in 10 games?

Mammy water spirit don dey enter you.
grin grin grin. You be maduman.

Allow am play full 90mins for atleast 5 games before we revisit this gist

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 5:11am On Dec 12, 2021
Skimpledawg:

grin grin grin. You be maduman.

Allow am play full 90mins for atleast 5 games before we revisit this gist

You sure say season no go don end by then? grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 9:58am On Dec 12, 2021
A very humble player just doing his best for us.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:14am On Dec 12, 2021
donjazet:
A very humble player just doing his best for us.

Tuchel: He's aware that we miss Kovacic and Kante

Tells me all I need to know.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Exonerate1(m): 10:24am On Dec 12, 2021
donjazet:
A very humble player just doing his best for us.

We have people here questioning why he's our vice captain.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 10:51am On Dec 12, 2021
Exonerate1:


We have people here questioning why he's our vice captain.

Some of the hate jorginho has received is one that people have had for him for a few years now because of the "favourite son" tag he had when Sarri was here. Just like some people who also hate mount today, do so because of a perceived preferential treatment he has received in the past.

It's hard to stop hating on someone once you start.
And once you hate any player in football, a team sports where everyone is doing one thing or the other, it's very easy to highlight a players weaknesses and downplay his strengths and vice versa.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 10:52am On Dec 12, 2021
Exonerate, Every single player on the planet has their weaknesses and their strengths. It's a team sports because your teammates are supposed to complete and complement each other. Each player being a key part of a puzzle to create the perfect outcome.

Kante and jorginho are now 2 of the best midfielders in the game. Kante's weaknesses is his poor passing, poor creativity and shot quality but he more than makes up for it with his energetic runs and ball recoveries. Jorginho is indeed slow, [a common trait for players of his role], busquet, mascherano, rodri, modric, pirlo, Xabi alonso etc.
But they all more than make up for this with other qualities of their game.
Jorginho is our best passer of the ball, he masterfully dictates the tempo of our game, and yes, he does evade the press numerously for us to maintain possession of the ball. Not to talk of the added bonus of his goals. This is where he does supercede kante's contribution to the team. His penalties have bailed us countlessly since he came. It helps anyteam to have an assured penalty taker. It indicates a very strong mental strength which he also shows on the pitch as our vice captain, directing other players on their positional play and direction of passes.

Overall the vast majority of Chelsea fans are glad to have him or at least respect what he does for us.
At least the Chelsea fans on this thread do too. Just as also seen on Twitter and reddit.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:21am On Dec 12, 2021
donjazet:
Exonerate, Every single player on the planet has their weaknesses and their strengths. It's a team sports because your teammates are supposed to complete each other. Each player being a key part of a puzzle to create the perfect outcome.

Kante and jorginho are now 2 of the best midfielders in the game. Kante's weaknesses is his poor passing, poor creativity and shot quality but he more than makes up for it with his energetic runs and ball recoveries. Jorginho is indeed slow, [a common trait for players of his roles], busquet, mascherano, rodri, modric, pirlo, Xabi alonso etc.
But they all more than make up for this with other qualities of their game. Jorginho is our best passer of the ball, he masterfully dictates the tempo of our game, and yes, he does evade the press numerously for us to maintain possession of the ball. Not to talk of the added bonus of his goals. This is where he does supercede kante's contribution to the team. His penalties have bailed us countlessly since he came. It helps anyteam to have an assured penalty taker. It indicates a very strong mental strength which he also shows on the pitch as our vice captain, directing other players on their positional play and direction of passes.

Overall the vast majority of Chelsea fans are glad to have him or at least respect what he does for us.
At least the Chelsea fans on this thread do too. Just as also seen on Twitter and reddit.

A fit Kante contributes more bro.

Without Kante our defence getting exposed repeatedly, leading to dropped points. Also, another player like Reecy can convert the PKs you know?

Not taking anything away from Jorginho, but i will pick Kante if to choose who should stay fit between the two.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donstan18: 11:27am On Dec 12, 2021
nihilistjnr:


Tuchel: He's aware that we miss Kovacic and Kante

Tells me all I need to know.
Deep! cheesy

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donstan18: 11:30am On Dec 12, 2021
donjazet:
Exonerate, Every single player on the planet has their weaknesses and their strengths. It's a team sports because your teammates are supposed to complete each other. Each player being a key part of a puzzle to create the perfect outcome.

Kante and jorginho are now 2 of the best midfielders in the game. Kante's weaknesses is his poor passing, poor creativity and shot quality but he more than makes up for it with his energetic runs and ball recoveries. Jorginho is indeed slow, [a common trait for players of his roles], busquet, mascherano, rodri, modric, pirlo, Xabi alonso etc.
But they all more than make up for this with other qualities of their game. Jorginho is our best passer of the ball, he masterfully dictates the tempo of our game, and yes, he does evade the press numerously for us to maintain possession of the ball. Not to talk of the added bonus of his goals. This is where he does supercede kante's contribution to the team. His penalties have bailed us countlessly since he came. It helps anyteam to have an assured penalty taker. It indicates a very strong mental strength which he also shows on the pitch as our vice captain, directing other players on their positional play and direction of passes.

Overall the vast majority of Chelsea fans are glad to have him or at least respect what he does for us.
At least the Chelsea fans on this thread do too. Just as also seen on Twitter and reddit.
How many midfielders in Chelsea can shoot better than Kante?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:32am On Dec 12, 2021
airmark:


A fit Kante contributes more bro.

Without Kante our defence getting exposed repeatedly, leading to dropped points. Also, another player like Reecy can convert the PKs you know?

Not taking anything away from Jorginho, but i will pick Kante if to choose who should stay fit between the two.

You clearly didn't understand the point of my post bro.
I'm saying very clearly, we don't need to choose between both of them. They are different players with different characteristics who play different roles to our team. Kante cannot dictate the tempo of our game the way jorginho does, people want to make it seem like kante was also not with us when we were struggling badly under lampard and conte and Sarri, likewise jorginho cannot run up and down the pitch retrieving balls, and chasing second balls the way kante does. Jorginho is also a leader on the pitch, kante is not. These things matter.

They are both world-class players and we need both fit. No player is 100% perfect. They are both essential to us. We don't have to pick and choose.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 11:36am On Dec 12, 2021
airmark:


A fit Kante contributes more bro.

Without Kante our defence getting exposed repeatedly, leading to dropped points. Also, another player like Reecy can convert the PKs you know?

Not taking anything away from Jorginho, but i will pick Kante if to choose who should stay fit between the two.

Jorginho doesn't contribute anything other than PK over a fit Kova-Kante partnership.

We saw Reece and Alonso tucking in yesterday to help bolster the wack partnership between. RLC and Jorginho

How many more three points are we going to steal before Kante and Kova are back?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:39am On Dec 12, 2021
donstan18:

How many midfielders in Chelsea can shoot better than Kante?

Unfortunately we are poor in that department. Our central midfielders for the past 8 years have all been poor with their shot, none in the mould of Gerald, scholes, lampard etc. Form Mikel obi to matic, fabregas, kante, and jorginho. All have been very poor at their shooting techniques. But it's no coincidence that jorginho has scored more goals than all of them. And goals do make a difference anyhow you want to analyze it.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:42am On Dec 12, 2021
nihilistjnr:


Jorginho doesn't contribute anything other than PK over a fit Kova-Kante partnership.

We saw Reece and Alonso tucking in yesterday to help bolster the wack partnership between. RLC and Jorginho

How many more three points are we going to steal before Kante and Kova are back?

Well last season champions league group stages and our early performances beg to differ.
Jorginho and kovacic have proven to be adept at partnership in the middle. You seem to forget that kante hasn't been reliable recently and we still performed well without him in these matches.
This points to the fact that there is no strong support for jorginho right now in the middle.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 11:51am On Dec 12, 2021
donjazet:


Well last season champions league group stages and our early performances beg to differ.
Jorginho and kovacic have proven to be adept at partnership in the middle. You seem to forget that kante hasn't been reliable recently and we still performed well without him in these matches.
This points to the fact that there is no strong support for jorginho right now in the middle.

Tuchel himself is telling you that Jorginho knows how much we miss Kante and Kovacic.

That's our first choice partnership for a reason.One of Kovacic or Kante has to play with Jorginho to bail him out.

The moment Jorginho is paired with anyone else, it's wahala.

Tuchel said we "stole 3 points" at Watford. He said yesterday that we were "lucky to win".

There's no amount of eulogising that can change what we're seeing on the pitch, or what the manager is saying in press conference.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:52am On Dec 12, 2021
donjazet:


You clearly didn't understand the point of my post bro.
I'm saying very clearly, we don't need to choose between both of them. They are different players with different characteristics who play different roles to our team. Kante cannot dictate the tempo of our game the way jorginho does, people want to make it seem like kante was also not with us when we were struggling badly under lampard and conte and Sarri, likewise jorginho cannot run up and down the pitch retrieving balls, and chasing second balls. Jorginho is also a leader on the pitch, kante is not. These things matter.

They are both world-class players and we need both fit. No player is 100% perfect. They are both essential to us. We don't have to pick and choose.

I understood you.

Scoring PKs can be done by another player in the team and that is not enough to use to rate Jorginho's contribution higher than a fit Kante. Must we pray for PKs before seeing his contributions?

If majority could pick Kante ahead of Jorginho in the team, it shows your rating of their contributions, should be discountenanced.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:56am On Dec 12, 2021
airmark:


I understood you.

Scoring PKs can be done by another player in the team and that is not enough to use to rate Jorginho's contribution higher than a fit Kante. Must we pray for PKs before seeing his contributions?
If majority could pick Kante ahead of Jorginho in the team, it shows your rating of their contributions, should be discountenanced.

Both of us know this isn't true. Anybody can score pk, but how many can do it well on a consistent basis. There are few, because of the mentality involved. Did we not lose a super cup, fa cup and community shield because our strikers lost their pks. From morata against arsenal, to Tammy against Liverpool plus mount missing a handful.

Again, I'm not rating one above the other. I'm strongly against doing that. I love them both equally. They both bring something unique to our team. We shouldn't raise one above the other. Kante and jorginho are very essential to us winning this league and our 3rd champions league.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:00pm On Dec 12, 2021
nihilistjnr:


Jorginho doesn't contribute anything other than PK over a fit Kova-Kante partnership.

We saw Reece and Alonso tucking in yesterday to help bolster the wack partnership between. RLC and Jorginho

How many more three points are we going to steal before Kante and Kova are back?

Leeds even missed Philips in the middle.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 12:00pm On Dec 12, 2021
airmark:


I understood you.

Scoring PKs can be done by another player in the team and that is not enough to use to rate Jorginho's contribution higher than a fit Kante. Must we pray for PKs before seeing his contributions?

If majority could pick Kante ahead of Jorginho in the team, it shows your rating of their contributions, should be discountenanced.

What are the odds that Rudiger would win two PKs in the same match, one of them in the 94th minute

If Jorginho only contribution is PK, some of which he misses anyway, he should sit down and rest. If not that Saul is a bust and RLC is s scam, we really shouldn't be having this discussion.

TT recognises the problem and when we saw him experiment with Saul and James partnership, it's not because he's s Bible scholar.

Jorginho is only starting right now because there are no other options in the team, not because he brings anything over Kante or Kova. That's a shortcoming that the recruitment team need to rectify as early as January. Wing back positions are also a problem that need solving ASAP

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 12:04pm On Dec 12, 2021
nihilistjnr:


What are the odds that Rudiger would win two PKs in the same match, one of them in the 94th minute
If Jorginho only contribution is PK, some of which he misses anyway, he should sit down and rest. If not that Saul is a bust and RLC is s scam, we really shouldn't be having this discussion.
TT recognises the problem and when we saw him experiment with Saul and James partnership, it's not because he's s Bible scholar.

In Tuchel's own words. grin grin since it's his word we're going by. Please read it WORD FOR WORD, why jorginho is his first choice midfielder.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:05pm On Dec 12, 2021
donjazet:


Both of us know this isn't true. Anybody can score pk, but how many can do it well on a consistent basis. There are few, because of the mentality involved. Did we not lose a super cup, fa cup and community shield because our strikers lost their pks. From morata against arsenal, to Tammy against Liverpool plus mount missing a handful.

Again, I'm not rating one above the other. I'm strongly against doing that. I love them both equally. They both bring something unique to our team. We shouldn't raise one above the other. Kante and jorginho are very essential to us winning this league and our 3rd champions league.

The line you emboldened was referring to this present Chelsea team. Reece James looks like a good PK taker too, so he is that player.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:09pm On Dec 12, 2021
2/3rd of respondents still want Jorginho out.

Never seen a Ballon D'or contender so despised by his own fans

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Capaldi: 12:09pm On Dec 12, 2021
dostr4:

i will even take de jong ahead of jorginho... he is a type of player that will excel in a high possession team..
Both are compactable together just like Dejong and Schone was at Ajax. It depends on the right set up.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by amodu(m): 12:11pm On Dec 12, 2021
donjazet:


Both of us know this isn't true. Anybody can score pk, but how many can do it well on a consistent basis. There are few, because of the mentality involved. Did we not lose a super cup, fa cup and community shield because our strikers lost their pks. From morata against arsenal, to Tammy against Liverpool plus mount missing a handful.

Again, I'm not rating one above the other. I'm strongly against doing that. I love them both equally. They both bring something unique to our team. We shouldn't raise one above the other. Kante and jorginho are very essential to us winning this league and our 3rd champions league.

The point you're trying to make is very clear and there is no iota of favouritism for Jorginho to down play Kante's uniqueness to our team in all of your submissions.

However, those countering you are doing so to downplay Jorginho's effort, as if he doesn't contribute a meaningful quota to our team play.

There is no being without a flaw, Jorginho's flaw shouldn't be used as a measure to rubbish his contributions.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 12:12pm On Dec 12, 2021
Capaldi:

Both are compactable together just like Dejong and Schone was at Ajax. It depends on the right set up.
Good you can see this, no player is an island. Players require the right supporting cast to excel. All good teams have the right players with the right balance. Some workaholics, some with finesse. Both complementing each other.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 12:14pm On Dec 12, 2021
amodu:


The point you're trying to make is very clear and there is no iota of favouritism for Jorginho to play down Kante's uniqueness to our team in a of your submissions.

However, those countering you are doing so to downplay Jorginho's effort, as if he doesn't contribute a meaningful quota to our team play.

There is no being without a flaw, Jorginho's flaw shouldn't be used as a measure to rubbish his contributions.


Thanks much. Exactly my point.
People who hate jorginho do exactly that, HATE.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 12:14pm On Dec 12, 2021
donjazet:


In Tuchel's own words. grin grin since it's his word we're going by. Please read it WORD FOR WORD, why jorginho is his first choice midfielder.

Where in this page does Tuchel say Jorginho is his first choice midfielder?

I read it WORD FOR WORD and didn't see this part. I hope it's not a lie

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by amodu(m): 12:23pm On Dec 12, 2021
donjazet:


Thank much. Exactly my point.
People who hate jorginho do exactly that, HATE.

As it stands, no one can replace Jorginho in our team; not even Kante or Kovacic because they are wired differently.

Our attention should even be on our attackers' ineffectiveness. Our defenders are the ones raking up the stats and any off day for them, we struggle.

Ordinary Watford, their 3 attackers owns 90% of their goals not to talk of Liverpool and Manchester City.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by User09: 12:32pm On Dec 12, 2021
In what world is a combo of Kante-Kovacic a thing? Has no one been paying attention to this Chelsea team?

2 drifters in the middle of the pitch. I can't believe this.

Y'all will just say anything to deny Jorginho of his attributes. Good thing, those that matter don't see these things you see

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