donjazet:
Jorginho is indeed slow, [a common trait for players of his roles], busquet, mascherano, rodri, modric, pirlo, Xabi alonso etc.

LMao! Luka Modric and "slow" in the same sentence. Modric might not be the fastest real Madrid player but he's the fastest among the trio that plays midfield for real Madrid. one minute he's setting up attacks the next minute he's chasing opposition players back in his eighteen yard box. Slow is Kroos

amodu:


You're doing a wonderful job my brother with not agreeing with Ibime to rub his ideas on you.

Ibime is very logical and possessor of healthy intelligence quotient, when he takes a stand, he doesn't shift. Do not be expectant he will succumb to you in any engagement. Even if he at some point, he agree, it will be within him, he will never admit nor express it.
No be today ooo, e Don tey

Well I try as much as I can. People relatively new here would not know ibime's kind of person. We the old ones here can only try to point out his obstinacy.

When someone holds the position that iniesta and Drogba are average for 10 fucking_years. You know how stubborn the person is. It shows he's never ready to change opinions.
You've been on this thread for 15 years. Myself 10 years. Ibime's tricks are not new.

Even TT knows Jorginho is slow. We need someone faster by summer, so that the defence will enjoy more protection.

donjazet:

When someone holds the position that iniesta and Drogba are average for 10 fucking_years. You know how stubborn the person is. It shows he's never ready to change opinions.
You've been on this thread for 15 years. Myself 10 years. Ibime's tricks are not new.

No matter how much you repeat a lie will never make it true. I have been a big supporter of Drogba since 2009. Why I wasn't before is encapsulated below and in his stats from 2008 and 2009. Maybe you were too busy to notice then but Drogba was out of shape for most of those two seasons and openly flirting with AC Milan and other clubs stating he would like to join them in newspapers. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

Ibime:

As for Lukaku, he is still on the comeback from a one month layoff. Playing 10 mins here and there. You can't expect a big body striker to be back in rhythm that quickly from a layoff. Most folks here aren't old enough to remember how long it took Drogba to look decent after injury layoff under Scolari, talkless of Lukaku playing 10 mins here and there. Scolari season, Drogba hit 5 goals in 24 matches, his belly was protruding, his touch was semi-professional and his movement was dire. It took till April for Drogba to start looking sharp again. I'm sure Lukaku will be scoring again shortly

As for Iniesta, he is never an average player. He is a carry along though. If other AMs decide to contribute to winning games at the same rate at him, their teams will never be successful.

This will be the umpteenth time you will go on unrelated commentary on personality. I would advise you keep your emotions in check and focus on the discussion at hand.

Capaldi:

Between wasting 80million plus and Glimour, I pick Glimour every day of the week.

Rice is worth that amount
Forget sentiment that boy is good far better than Jorginho

amodu:


Balance the equation, measure the contribution of either Kante or Kovacic in the absence of Jorginho.

We have seen the shame of Kante and Kovacic pairings in few games, the less said, the better. Why not wait for either of the two to be paired with immature RLC and good for nothing Saul before concluding.

That said, football is a team sport, why measure Jorginho's ability individually and not collectively as a team? Do not because you want to underestimate him rubbish the scope of team game.

He has worked with many coaches and none has felt the need to replace him, apparently, he is in a class of his own judging by the reality on ground.

I just hope you will not be shocked if Tuchel do the same.

But Kova has already paired RLC this season, and it actually worked quite well.

If you know football is a team game, then don't bring Jorginho individual yarns to the table or it will be questioned, in exactly the same way as if somebody else started claiming that Havertz or CHO was indispensable.

The manager has literally spoken about this man in consecutive games since Manyoo.

And is not just this season too. Tuchel has been publicly discussing Jorginho since last season, asking fans to bear with him.

Why always him? I don't think Tuchel has singled out any other player for public criticism or excuses as much as Jorginho since he started

It feels so long since we won or challenged properly for the league, is it awkward to prefer the league title to the champions league this season

Capaldi:

Between wasting 80million plus and Glimour, I pick Glimour every day of the week.

Seconded.

Na just physicality Billy G no get like that.

Maximilan:
It feels so long since we won or challenged properly for the league, is it awkward to prefer the league title to the champions league this season

I 100% prefer the Champions League oo

That would tie Chelsea and those DNAchester United on 3 UCL trophies

It's easier to win a League title than the Champions League tho
According to raum.deuter, to win a League title:

raumdeuter:


All you need to do is pummel some Troyes Sasulao Brighton and Darmstadt regularly

donjazet:


Well I try as much as I can. People relatively new here would not know ibime's kind of person. We the old ones here can only try to point out his obstinacy.

When someone holds the position that iniesta and Drogba are average for 10 fucking_years. You know how stubborn the person is. It shows he's never ready to change opinions.
You've been on this thread for 15 years. Myself 10 years. Ibime's tricks are not new.

It is well.

How I wish our present crops of attackers are reliable as Drogba.

The trio of Joshua King, Ismaila Sarr and Emmanuel Dennis have scored 17 goals for Watford in the league this season.

I am actually perturbed at our attackers impotence.

Ibime:



No matter how much you repeat a lie will never make it true. I have been a big supporter of Drogba since 2009. Why I wasn't before is encapsulated below and in his stats from 2008 and 2009. Maybe you were too busy to notice then but Drogba was out of shape for most of those two seasons and openly flirting with AC Milan and other clubs stating he would like to join them in newspapers. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.
As for Iniesta, he is never an average player. He is a carry along though. If other AMs decide to contribute to winning games at the same rate at him, their teams will never be successful.
This will be the umpteenth time you will go on unrelated commentary on personality. I would advise you keep your emotions in check and focus on the discussion at hand.

You are not telling the truth. Deep into 2011, you were against Drogba. Maybe later I'll dig into it for people to see how you use to castigate him. Then you mostly called him DD. anyways even apart from that, till today, anytime any comparison is made between Drogba and anybody, you will still rush to discredit Drogba. The negative bias is there to see.

As for the accusations of being emotional. . It's clear that you are the one that has been very emotional on this issue. Once you see jorginho's name anywhere, you rush to start criticizing him. It's fair to say you're obsessed over this issue. Look at today, I praised and acknowledged his match winning role for us yesterday and posted excerpts from twitter, lacing it with the poll we had here and you rushed to counter it.

As for personals, you've twice insulted me personally saying I know absolutely nothing and did "my head is vacant". I have called you arrogant because of this precise fact. You always insult people's intelligence when arguing with them. But even at that, I don't even mean it personally. This is the singular issue we are miles apart on, we agree on almost everything else, from social issues, to political issues, to economic issues to financial issues where I actually actively invest in your tips on the crypto page. We are very cool bro. Don't take anything personally. I certainly don't.

nihilistjnr:


But Kova has already paired RLC this season, and it actually worked quite well.

If you know football is a team game, then don't bring Jorginho individual yarns to the table or it will be questioned, in exactly the same way as if somebody else started claiming that Havertz or CHO was indispensable.

The manager has literally spoken about this man in consecutive games since Manyoo.

And is not just this season too. Tuchel has been publicly discussing Jorginho since last season, asking fans to bear with him.

Why always him? I don't think Tuchel has singled out any other player for public criticism or excuses as much as Jorginho since he started

Then, they should have displaced Jorginho.

Regarding those mistakes, have you ever thought what could have become of us and the coach's comments if the numerous misplaced passes of Kante were in front of the defense?

BlueMann:


Seconded.

Na just physicality Billy G no get like that.

rice get speed and passing pass Gilmour
Rice has more football IQ that’s why city and united are willing to break the bank for him

Nihilist, that is just being awfully selective. Of course highlight the bad moments of a player to paint an overall picture of him being bad.
Not different from what YouTubers do, just recently came across a compilation of Mendy's errors to make it seem as if he's been overrated.

Eg. Below is tuchel criticizing kante and saying kovacic might be better, despite kante being Soo good.

airmark:
Even TT knows Jorginho is slow. We need someone faster by summer, so that the defence will enjoy more protection.

Who doesn't know he's slow. Did you not see the follow up sentence of how he makes up for that?
Is busquet not slow? Is Xabi alonso not slow, is pirlo not slow? Is mascherano not slow? Is ozil not slow? Don't all these players have qualities that overqualify them for their roles?

donjazet:


You are not telling the truth. Deep into 2011, you were against Drogba. Maybe later I'll dig into it for people to see how you use to castigate him. Then you mostly called him DD. anyways even apart from that, till today, anytime any comparison is made between Drogba and anybody, you will still rush to discredit Drogba. The negative bias is there to see.

As for the accusations of being emotional. . It's clear that you are the one that has been very emotional on this issue. Once you see jorginho's name anywhere, you rush to start criticizing him. It's fair to say you're obsessed over this issue. Look at today, I praised and acknowledged his match winning role for us yesterday and posted excerpts from twitter, lacing it with the poll we had here and you rushed to counter it.

As for personals, you've twice insulted me personally saying I know absolutely nothing and did "my head is vacant". I have called you arrogant because of this precise fact. You always insult people's intelligence when arguing with them. But even at that, I don't even mean it personally. This is the singular issue we are miles apart on, we agree on almost everything else, from social issues, to political issues, to economic issues to financial issues where I actually actively invest in your tips on the crypto page. We are very cool bro. Don't take anything personally. I certainly don't.

All good bro, but you are lying about DD

From April 2009 precisely, I became an unquestionable Drogba fanatic, and that was the day of our FA Cup semifinal against Arsenal. Any criticism you see after that can only be in the context of an individual match.

That doesn't mean I have hated Drogba all through. I was a fan of his 2005 to 2006 even though I was aesthetically unpleased with his first touch, he was a one man pressing machine, and that was when Football was transitioning to one striker formation and nobody could provide that target point like him. In 2007, he scored lots of goals but started becoming lazy to press anywhere like he did in 2005-2006. In 2008 and 2009, he was not pressing, he was unfit most of those seasons, his bad touch returned and not scoring either. Plus he was campaigning to leave Chelsea. That's when I unleashed on him.

We like to view our heros with rose tinted spectacles. It is only those with lived and detailed experience that can give you the intricate details. I have long memory and hold long term accountability for players. Players like Azpi, Lampard, Kante, Lewandowski, Messi, Ronaldo are players you pay salary and guarantee to get your money's worth every season. Others like Drogba took many seasons off, despite how you want to romanticise him now, however he has been an unqeustionable legend for me since 2009. Reason you don't see me speaking romantically about Diego Costa. Even though some romanticise about Diego now, I am more likely to remember he only played 1.5 good seasons and was shocking for the other 1.5, and I am neutral on him for that reason. Same with Fabregas who only played 1 good season, or half if you want to get technical. I am not a celebrate the moment type of person, I am one for full accountability and have a long memory. Some people's personality is all about celebrating the moment. Maybe Africa has too many of those personalities, that's why they easily forget the wrongs their leaders did to them and forego accountability.

Drogba is an unquestioned legend of mine, but don't question why someone will not be happy with him as of 2009 when he had only posted one good goalscoring season in 5 years. The numbers don't lie. Drogba took many seasons off.

nihilistjnr:


Tuchel: He's aware that we miss Kovacic and Kante

Tells me all I need to know.

Max Vestappen snatches the season at the last lap, controversial end. That’s sad for Hamilton after leading all through till the last lap

Kantebets:
rice get speed and passing pass Gilmour
Rice has more football IQ that’s why city and united are willing to break the bank for him

Speed...yes

Physicality...yes

Passing?

Football IQ?

Ibime:


All good bro, but you are lying about DD

From April 2009 precisely, I became an unquestionable Drogba fanatic, and that was the day of our FA Cup semifinal against Arsenal. Any criticism you see after that can only be in the context of an individual match.

That doesn't mean I have hated Drogba all through. I was a fan of his 2005 to 2006 even though I was aesthetically unpleased with his first touch, he was a one man pressing machine, and that was when Football was transitioning to one striker formation and nobody could provide that target point like him. In 2007, he scored lots of goals but started becoming lazy to press anywhere like he did in 2005-2006. In 2008 and 2009, he was not pressing, he was unfit most of those seasons, his bad touch returned and not scoring either. Plus he was campaigning to leave Chelsea. That's when I unleashed on him.
We like to view our hero's with rose tinted spectacles. It is only those with lived and detailed experience that can give you the intricate details. I have long memory and hold long term accountability for players. Players like Azpi, Lampard, Kante, Lewandowski, Messi, Ronaldo are players you pay salary and guarantee to get your money's worth every season. Others like Drogba took many seasons off, despite how you want to romanticise him now, however he has been an unqeustionable legend for me since 2009. Reason you don't see me speaking romantically about Diego Costa. Even though some romanticise about him now, I am more likely to remember he only played 1.5 good seasons and was shocking for the other 1.5, and I am neutral on him for that reason. Same with Fabregas who only played 1 good season, or half if you want to get technical. I am not a celebrate the moment type of person, I am one for full accountability.

Drogba is an unquestioned legend of mine, but don't question why someone will not be happy with him as of 2009 when he had only posted one good goalscoring season in 5 years. The numbers don't lie. Drogba took many seasons off.

Well, it's good that you've ultimately come around to the idea of him being our legend.
After all is said and done, you do agree that Drogba is a legend in the game. That's good.

Now let's talk iniesta, one of the finest midfielders of his generation who for the past 10 years plus you have consistently berated. Iniesta, also a legend in the game. Have you come around to him?
Are you still dug iinto your position of him being overrated? Do you still stand on your position that iniesta is vastly overated?

nihilistjnr:


Tuchel himself is telling you that Jorginho knows how much we miss Kante and Kovacic.

That's our first choice partnership for a reason.One of Kovacic or Kante has to play with Jorginho to bail him out.

The moment Jorginho is paired with anyone else, it's wahala.

Tuchel said we "stole 3 points" at Watford. He said yesterday that we were "lucky to win".

There's no amount of eulogising that can change what we're seeing on the pitch, or what the manager is saying in press conference.

Here lies the problem and why I don't rate Jorginho. This simply means he's a liability to any team that doesn't have a midifelder that can win the ball.

Maximilan:
Max Vestappen snatches the season at the last lap, controversial end. That’s sad for Hamilton after leading all through till the last lap

Mercedes team just ruined his race, why not bring him in during the safety car?

amodu:


It is well.

How I wish our present crops of attackers are reliable as Drogba.

The trio of Joshua King, Ismaila Sarr and Emmanuel Dennis have scored 17 goals for Watford in the league this season.

I am actually perturbed at our attackers impotence.

Likewise, I wish our attackers would start scoring goals more often. The defenders and midfielders have shouldered that burden for far too long.

Amoto94:
100 - Andrea #Belotti has scored his 100th goal in Serie A at 27 years and 314 days: only 2 Italians players have reached this milestone younger than him since 1980, Alberto Gilardino and Roberto Baggio. Crest.#TorinoSampdoria

— OptaPaolo (@OptaPaolo)

Leyqute:
Airmark Belotti 100 goals in Serie A

Belotti scored 100 goals in 8 seasons making it an average of 12.5 goals per season

Of those 100 goals 23 penalties, Without penalties Belotti has 77 goals in the Serie A. An average of 9.6 goals per season

donjazet:

Now let's talk iniesta, one of the finest midfielders of his generation who for the past 10 years plus you have consistently berated. Iniesta, also a legend in the game. Have you come around to him?
Are you still dug iinto your position of him being overrated?

Let Iniesta bring his stats to any other team where others are not providing the match-winning difference and we will see how far he gets in football.

Iniesta was neither the creator, scorer nor the midfield controller and the stats bare that out. I am more likely to give credit to the controller (Xavi, Alonso), the creator (Messi, Alves) and the scorers (numerous) before giving credit to Iniesta.

Iniesta is the only AM that will go one calendar year in the league without goal or assist with no questions asked. He was a great player, just carried along to titles by match-winners.

Devvy4:


Mercedes team just ruined his race, why not bring him in during the safety car?

Was shocking, so many rules were altered in that race it was difficult to even know what book they were following, they wanted the race to have a grand stand end by every means and with those soft tyres Max acquired Hamilton was toast.

Ibime:


Talk about turning logic on his head.

Who is supposed to provide the midfield protection to the defence? The three defenders is there exactly because Jogginghoe is incapable of providing midfield protection, so they use community defence to cover themselves.

This guy is a big mumu. Someone who just stated DeJong and Jorginho will work, yet DeJong and Busquet who utterly dominated Jorginho in Euros doesn't work.

I think your criticism of Jorginho is overblown. How can you expect this same Jorginho to protect the defenders?

Has he protected himself first?

Maximilan:


Was shocking, so many rules were altered in that race it was difficult to even know what book they were following, they wanted the race to have a grand stand end by every means and with those soft tyres Max acquired Hamilton was toast.

F1 still remains one of the most controversial sport, the drivers are at the mercy of whatever decisions the FIA takes. With that been said, Mercedes Team were just so stupid today, like how do you get to make the same mistake twice

Jorginho went from underrated to overrated in the space of 6 months, It’s best to observe for another six months to see what he’ll become and hopefully he leads us to our first EPL title in a while and gains legendary status at the club.

I can just let go of the fact that this guy is now a rival and scoring every now and then. If only we had kept him like we kept liability like jorginho, we wouldn't have ended up with generational talents, Werner, ziyech, Odoi. This one alone could have solve most of our attacking problems. Meanwhile, it seems Messi is not happy in Paris, can we just try out our luck on him, we can combine all this Ziyech, Werner, Barkley, Odoi salary and give him alone.

Devvy4:


F1 still remains one of the most controversial sport, the drivers are at the mercy of whatever decisions the FIA takes. With that been said, Mercedes Team were just so stupid today, like how do you get to make the same mistake twice

Toto walked out when the match ended, nobody in his team dared to talk to him, they messed up but those decisions from race control were too dodgy. Max is 24 and Lewis is 36, I think it’s the beginning of a really good rivalry. Just like Djokovic they lost the chance to break the biggest records in their respective sports.

Maximilan:
Jorginho went from underrated to overrated in the space of 6 months, It’s best to observe for another six months to see what he’ll become and hopefully he leads us to our first EPL title in a while and gains legendary status at the club.

He has already done this. To be the 3rd best player while playing with us underlines this. He will always always be remembered for this.