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frankman365:
The later won trophy with the club(Liverpool).

Wijnaldum's case is quite different cos he needed to test other places after achieving what could be termed success with Liverpool.
Coutinho was desperate for success and he paid for that desperation.

Coutinho has achieved more since his move than he would have achieved in Liverpool.
He's earning higher, has a treble to his name as well as league and cup titles in Spain.

Ayemileto:


I don't think Coutinho will regret his decision sha.

You know how many trophies he's won since then? Both with Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

He left because he wanted to win the Champions league. He has 1 or 2 since then.

Coutinho has achieved more since his move than he would have achieved in Liverpool.
He's earning higher, has a treble to his name as well as league and cup titles in Spain.
I don't see how he will regret anything. He's earning higher than he was at Liverpool, he also has a CL medal to his name.

adioolayi:
Just because it is Messi...we expected so much more....even at that, the stat is okay...but for Messi standard..it's a work in progress.

Anyways...10 Matches ..1 Goal ...4 Assists


UCL - ...5 Matches ..5 goals.

4 a player that has won 6golden shoe scoring just a goal at ligue 1 u called it a gud stats? Messi is finished u should get use to it my boy. Have u seen cristano ronaldo stats this season? 6th baloon do or loading... I just pity italy cause they wont see worldcup.

Indispensable85:
Chaiii.....coutinho dat year.
Some moves can damage ur carrier.

Damage a career with higher salary and more trophies than your former team is a damage everyone will want

Jirehrealestate:
So, Phillipe Coutinho developed under Klop?

This United hand-fans sef!

Coutinho that has been curling from 35-yards into back of the net along with Suarez before Klop ever dreamt of coaching in EPL is now a boy who learned to kick the round-leather under Klop?

Jokers.

Coutinho started reigning from Italy (narazzurri of inter milan)

paulolee:
tink say na only me see him blunders...na so one dey ague say KDB good as pep come forgetting dt was already made n was bought by pellegrini

One thing people fail to realize is the Liverpool style of play. Liverpool plays heavy metal game. Fast counter attack!

It will be difficult for a player who is use to playing a very fast high tempo shot trilling game to playing a tiki taka style of game.

This is the reasoning Coutinho is failing in barca. Take Henderson, milner or any other player out of Liverpool and put them in a barca system they will fail. Is not a curse is just what they are use to.

Ayemileto:


I don't think Coutinho will regret his decision sha.

You know how many trophies he's won since then? Both with Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

He left because he wanted to win the Champions league. He has 1 or 2 since then.

And he's still yet to win the champions league

Charlex23:
And he's still yet to win the champions league

He was part of Bayern Munich team that won it in 2020.

He actually scored 2 goals against Barcelona in that game 8 - 2 Quarter Finals game.

paulolee:
tink say na only me see him blunders...na so one dey ague say KDB good as pep come forgetting dt was already made n was bought by pellegrini

Check kdb stats under pellegrini and pep and tell me which one is better

Sterling was an headless chicken under pellegrini but he improved under pep and turned into a 20 goal plus a season player

Wetin happened with Raheem Sterling?

Charlex23:
And he's still yet to win the champions league

You Dey watch ball so ?

Coutinho won the champions league with Bayern

Belleful:
Wetin happened with Raheem Sterling?

Did better at mancity than Liverpool

Delusions of grandeur. How has leaving Liverpool become a dangerous move?

Suarez left Liverpool and won the UCL immediately with Barca scoring some magnificent goals along the way. The following season, he scored a whopping 58 goals in total to win the European golden shoe and a top 3 Ballon Dor nomination. How can that be classified as a failed move if not by delusionists?

Coutinho has won a treble including UCL as well as 2 La lga trophies since leaving Liverpool. How is that a failed move?

Wijnaldum just left. His success or otherwise can only be judged by season end. These half-baked agenda spinners are just eager to create a false narrative.

Manesalah:
McManaman
Owen
Torres
Mierieles
Suarez in a way if not for Messi
Coutinho
Emre can

Reason I dey pity Salah,make e no think say na him ability alone

Shaqiri is not even playing regularly
I fear Philips may face same if he leave in January

OhBritannia:
Nonsense
Torres didn't flop at Chelsea.
Except you have another definition of flop.

the expectation,goals he scored in Chelsea were disappointing

obembet:
This is not how Gini Wijnaldum pictured it in his head.

Five months into his Paris Saint-Germain career, the Netherlands international finds himself with a fight on his hands.

For his place, for acceptance and recognition and, perhaps, for his future too.

If recent reports are to be believed, then PSG may already be willing to let the 31-year-old leave.

Wijnaldum, apparently, has not settled in the French capital, has not been particularly welcomed by his team-mates and would be open to a move, in particular a return to the Premier League.

What a strange state of affairs. This had looked like the ideal move for all parties when it was confirmed back in June, but now Wijnaldum finds himself being linked with a loan switch to Arsenal or West Ham or Newcastle.

How quickly the world turns, eh? The perils of leaving Liverpool, you might say.

Like Philippe Coutinho before him, Wijnaldum has discovered that the grass isn’t always greener. Life after Anfield, it seems, can be tough, even for the best and the most dedicated.

Wijnaldum left the Reds a hero, a Champions League winner and a Premier League champion. He was the ultimate team player, versatile and durable, prepared to play in attack and defence as well as midfield.

He scored big goals and played in big games. In five years on Merseyside, in fact, he played in more games than anybody else. There were 237 of them in total, a staggering figure for a modern-day midfielder.

Life has been different in Paris, where Wijnaldum has so far started only 11 times and made 10 substitute appearances.

“Very difficult,” he admitted back in October, revealing that “the situation is not what I wanted.”

PSG may be romping away with Ligue 1, and have a Champions League last-16 tie against Real Madrid to look forward to in the New Year, but life is far from perfect at Parc des Princes.

Mauricio Pochettino is under pressure – himself linked strongly with a return to England – and his team, for all its dazzling individual quality, looks imbalanced and lacks cohesion.

They win games because of their talent, but the feeling is that they will come unstuck against better opponents, particularly in the knockout stages of the Champions League. That’s the true cost of having a forward line of Neymar, Kylian Mbappe and Lionel Messi, you might say.

Wijnaldum, you would have thought, would have helped in that regard, given his ability to sacrifice himself for the good of the team.

But while there have been flashes of late – two goals against RB Leipzig, for example, and a last-minute equaliser at Lens – the general consensus is that his performances have been below the standard expected.

He has been criticised, in particular, for playing too safe with his passing, and for not taking enough responsibility in building the game up.

Observers also say he has looked sluggish, both on and off the ball, and there have been moments where his team-mates – Messi and Mbappe, in particular – have openly expressed frustration.

Rather unfairly, it has been suggested that the dressing room, generally, is yet to accept him.

Wijnaldum was a big character at Liverpool, one of the club’s four captains under Klopp before his departure, but he has found PSG a little more cliquey and a little less welcoming. And certainly, he is yet to feel the love from the supporters.

Maybe there is a lesson there, given the interview Wijnaldum gave following his Anfield exit.

In it, he complained that he didn’t always feel “loved and appreciated” by Liverpool fans, particularly those venting their spleen on social media.

“If we lost, I was the one who got the blame,” he claimed, though the reception he got from 10,000 Reds fans after his final game for the club, against Crystal Palace in May, suggests his critics were in the minority. Certainly, Klopp and his team-mates knew his value. There were plenty of tears on his last day.

He wanted to stay at Liverpool, but felt the club didn’t value him as much as they ought to have.

Negotiations over a new deal broke down and were not resumed, and he saw out his contract in difficult circumstances, captaining an injury-hit side in behind-closed-doors games as the 2019-20 champions struggled to sneak a top-four finish in the following campaign.

PSG looked, on paper at least, an ideal move. Certainly better than Barcelona, where he was originally expected to end up.

Wijnaldum, selfless and consistent, looked the ideal player to help balance Pochettino’s side, providing nous and reliability, as well as top-level experience.

He still can, of course. PSG will win Ligue 1 and are capable of winning the Champions League too, for sure. Wijnaldum may still have a role to play, even if it won’t be as integral as the one he had on Merseyside.

His experience, and that of Coutinho, should serve as a warning, however, to those considering a future beyond Liverpool.

Do so at your own risk. After Anfield, these days the only way is down.

Source: https://www.goal.com/en-ae/amp/news/coutinho-wijnaldum-leaving-liverpool-a-dangerous-move/bltccbf2253c698aa7a

Obembet keep quiet!
Suarez left Liverpool and shined in Barcelona
Even Sterling did the same at Manchester city.So what are you saying?
And the Coutinho you are talking about as been playing for Liverpool even before klopps dreamed of coaching Liverpool.He was the best player at Liverpool before klopps came in
So what rubbish are you saying

I dont really see it as a curse...besides,the likes of suarez left LFC and won the la liga title and UCL!
I believe it has to do with the pattern of play from the current manager at the club and you also have to consider his age!
Klopp plays a 4-3-3 counterpress with everyone including the strikers playing as a team and covering for each other's flaws!
Now a PSG side where everyone is playing for their individual glory and the manager is not really in control of the team,Gini will definitely find himself down the pecking order!
Besides,Gini is going through what players in their early 30s experience...diminishing return!
Let him go to a mid-table club in the EPL or just go back to the dutch league where he will consistently play no matter his performance!

In life everyone has his own luck and destiny. They are drawing this comparison because he is having issues... What about Raheem Sterling that left there to Mancity and since then have been a bigger player than he was in Liverpool? What about Luis Suarez too? Why did they compare Storridge that stay till his career was wrecked...? Abeg, in life some moves will pay off others won't.. That the creators design....

That Alaye neva seen anything fah! I swear

Tapout:
To be Frank, I wouldn't even sign up for PSG if I were a footballer and my reason is this; PSG already has a lot of superstars on the bench. One has to be extraordinarily good to get a spot on the starting 11. That's why for someone like neymar, no matter the number of times he goes on vacation due to injury, his spot is always waiting for him. You'll agree with me that an average player will not enjoy such liberty.

Aside Verrati and at Di Maria playing the the midfield, every other PSG midfielders are at best average

obembet:
This is not how Gini Wijnaldum pictured it in his head.

Five months into his Paris Saint-Germain career, the Netherlands international finds himself with a fight on his hands.

For his place, for acceptance and recognition and, perhaps, for his future too.

If recent reports are to be believed, then PSG may already be willing to let the 31-year-old leave.

Wijnaldum, apparently, has not settled in the French capital, has not been particularly welcomed by his team-mates and would be open to a move, in particular a return to the Premier League.

What a strange state of affairs. This had looked like the ideal move for all parties when it was confirmed back in June, but now Wijnaldum finds himself being linked with a loan switch to Arsenal or West Ham or Newcastle.

How quickly the world turns, eh? The perils of leaving Liverpool, you might say.

Like Philippe Coutinho before him, Wijnaldum has discovered that the grass isn’t always greener. Life after Anfield, it seems, can be tough, even for the best and the most dedicated.

Wijnaldum left the Reds a hero, a Champions League winner and a Premier League champion. He was the ultimate team player, versatile and durable, prepared to play in attack and defence as well as midfield.

He scored big goals and played in big games. In five years on Merseyside, in fact, he played in more games than anybody else. There were 237 of them in total, a staggering figure for a modern-day midfielder.

Life has been different in Paris, where Wijnaldum has so far started only 11 times and made 10 substitute appearances.

“Very difficult,” he admitted back in October, revealing that “the situation is not what I wanted.”

PSG may be romping away with Ligue 1, and have a Champions League last-16 tie against Real Madrid to look forward to in the New Year, but life is far from perfect at Parc des Princes.

Mauricio Pochettino is under pressure – himself linked strongly with a return to England – and his team, for all its dazzling individual quality, looks imbalanced and lacks cohesion.

They win games because of their talent, but the feeling is that they will come unstuck against better opponents, particularly in the knockout stages of the Champions League. That’s the true cost of having a forward line of Neymar, Kylian Mbappe and Lionel Messi, you might say.

Wijnaldum, you would have thought, would have helped in that regard, given his ability to sacrifice himself for the good of the team.

But while there have been flashes of late – two goals against RB Leipzig, for example, and a last-minute equaliser at Lens – the general consensus is that his performances have been below the standard expected.

He has been criticised, in particular, for playing too safe with his passing, and for not taking enough responsibility in building the game up.

Observers also say he has looked sluggish, both on and off the ball, and there have been moments where his team-mates – Messi and Mbappe, in particular – have openly expressed frustration.

Rather unfairly, it has been suggested that the dressing room, generally, is yet to accept him.

Wijnaldum was a big character at Liverpool, one of the club’s four captains under Klopp before his departure, but he has found PSG a little more cliquey and a little less welcoming. And certainly, he is yet to feel the love from the supporters.

Maybe there is a lesson there, given the interview Wijnaldum gave following his Anfield exit.

In it, he complained that he didn’t always feel “loved and appreciated” by Liverpool fans, particularly those venting their spleen on social media.

“If we lost, I was the one who got the blame,” he claimed, though the reception he got from 10,000 Reds fans after his final game for the club, against Crystal Palace in May, suggests his critics were in the minority. Certainly, Klopp and his team-mates knew his value. There were plenty of tears on his last day.

He wanted to stay at Liverpool, but felt the club didn’t value him as much as they ought to have.

Negotiations over a new deal broke down and were not resumed, and he saw out his contract in difficult circumstances, captaining an injury-hit side in behind-closed-doors games as the 2019-20 champions struggled to sneak a top-four finish in the following campaign.

PSG looked, on paper at least, an ideal move. Certainly better than Barcelona, where he was originally expected to end up.

Wijnaldum, selfless and consistent, looked the ideal player to help balance Pochettino’s side, providing nous and reliability, as well as top-level experience.

He still can, of course. PSG will win Ligue 1 and are capable of winning the Champions League too, for sure. Wijnaldum may still have a role to play, even if it won’t be as integral as the one he had on Merseyside.

His experience, and that of Coutinho, should serve as a warning, however, to those considering a future beyond Liverpool.

Do so at your own risk. After Anfield, these days the only way is down.

Source: https://www.goal.com/en-ae/amp/news/coutinho-wijnaldum-leaving-liverpool-a-dangerous-move/bltccbf2253c698aa7a

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koladebrainiac:
the expectation,goals he scored in Chelsea were disappointing

Fernando Torres can never and will never be called a flop at Chelsea.

Even though his goals were not what we expected he was involved in some key moments at Chelsea and let me remind you the moment he scored that last minute goal at the nou camp the 50 million was repaid.

Also getting the corner that led to Drogba's UCL final equaliser made him a cult hero at Chelsea. It takes just a moment to become a hero or a villain.

Have people forgotten that Sterling used to be in Liverpool. He left Liverpool and has won how many premier leagues with Man City and was maybe until now (i dont know Guardiola's plans and black players) a key player for them and the English national team

[quote author=freshalien post=108551113]Has Pep won the CL since leaving Barca? He hasn’t even smelt the final of that competition since leaving Barca. There you go, you have your answer.

Really?

Who won the last Champions league?
Whom did the winner play with?

Indeed, Pep has not smelt the final of the competition since leaving Barcelona

Kingcalls:
He dint know messi wud join....

Is Messi settled in PSG?

OhBritannia:
Nonsense post.
Luiz Suarez and Fernando Torres left Liverpool and they both excelled.

Even mascharano left Liverpool and excelled to the highest in Barcelona.

Even when crouch Left Liverpool, he excelled too In his next club.

The problem with couthino is injuries.
Injuries he was battling with even before BARCELONA signed him.

Torres excelled?
Lmao

obembet:
I hope salah learn from this, players living under klopp are protected from this humiliation. klopp is a maestro in coaching players, turning average players into world class players. Emre can left and found himself warming up the bench at Juventus and finally parked his load to Dortmund. Coutinho left and we know how it ended, in pity and regrets. Gini wijnadum also followed their foot step and is now in delusion. klopp don't go for already made players but low level players and create history with them is he did in Dortmund turning them into world class players. if they decide to leave, then they leave and turn themselves into mockery

Lalasticlala

Coutinho was a champion league winner at Bayern Munich, he scored against Barca who saw nothing in him, he wanted to move permenantly but Barca took him back because he went to Bayern Munich under contract. This same scenario played out on Crespo when Chelsea sold him on contract to AC Milan only for Chelsea to deny him permenant move when he won champions league with Milan against Liverpool.

To buttress your point, when Barca and Messi thought they were too big for Suarez, he left for ATM and was the star man as they won the league. So I wonder where his sentiment is coming from

andrewbaba44:
Same Suarez that won European golden shoe ahead of Messi and Ronaldo ,Suarez that didn’t win anything with Liverpool but here you are saying he didn’t do well aside from msn era as if the golden boot was during msn era

You just Dey cap

andrewbaba44:
Damage a career with higher salary and more trophies than your former team is a damage everyone will want

Consolation!
Nobody even remembers there was a coutinho. The level he was in Liverpool was world's best player realm. What has he won that Liverpool has not won since he left?
Go sleep jooor. By the way I'm not a Liverpool fan but the truth must be said. Some moves can take you to oblivion.

But Suarez succeeded there despite coming from the Same Liverpool? Mascherano too?

DareyFortified:
One thing people fail to realize is the Liverpool style of play. Liverpool plays heavy metal game. Fast counter attack!

It will be difficult for a player who is use to playing a very fast high tempo shot trilling game to playing a tiki taka style of game.

This is the reasoning Coutinho is failing in barca. Take Henderson, milner or any other player out of Liverpool and put them in a barca system they will fail. Is not a curse is just what they are use to.

kenzysmith:
Countinho is d biggest fool u were at liverpool u were the star man there even when liverpool had salah n mane , u force ur way out by january just to join barca and were nt even regester in d champions legeaue squad then. Lesson not every player adapt to any league his style of play suit epl more than laliga due to his long range techinque if i were coutinho i jejely go to newcastle and become their star play rebuild my career he is still young just 28 and he is a playmaker nt a striker that has short span

Countinho is a star and not a fool, did you watch him play for Bayern Munich? He even scored against Barca, wanted a permanent move but Barca denied him that opportunity because he went to Bayern under contract.

If you are talking about leaving big club to small club to rebuild; our own Okocha left PSG for Bolton, what became of him?