donstan18:
Being a while i watched Liverpool outplayed.

This is what happened when you don’t play Lukaku.

BlueRayDick:


This is exactly why everything airmark says about pep is just banter and nothing else . When Guardiola retires as a coach he will demented for winning leagues in all the countries he’s coached , won as much champions league as he could , several league cups and regarded as one of the greatest coach in the round leather game. Nobody will talk about him relying on Messi’s brilliance or not . They are just going to say yo! This bald man here won 6 major trophies in one single year among other great feats !

Airmark just dey enjoy himself with all these banters , no need to break any stress trying to argue Pep’s feats with him.

Fact is fact and can be used to bant.

You think Dayo doesn't rate Ancelotti above Fraudiola?

raumdeuter:


Pep played 11 vs 11 and lost 4-0 at home

Carlo played 10 vs 11 and lost 1-2 at home

Spot the difference

If Fraudiola ends his coaching career today without winning the UCL elsewhere, experts will call his bluff deservedly if he wants to claim any mumu GOAT.

OJURONGBE1:


You read my mind.
I can't complain. It was a good game .

Bench Jorginho and lukaku or sell them and get better players and see us dominate the league. You can’t win the league with those two players. Sign Tchouameni and Martinez or Kane then we are good to go.

raumdeuter:


Did Pep ever miss top 4 like Cuntay

is top 4 a trophy?

Lol are you surprised a manager that spent 300m entered top 4?

Something Lampard entered without spending 1 Kobo and with bunch of school kids

User09:


Do you mean today or generally?

I mean today.

BlueMann:
User09

Your thoughts on the Kante - Kova midfield combo?
I know you have strong reservations about it - and have been very vocal about those reservations - so I want to know what you think of their performance.
And would it have been better with J5 in place of any of them?

The answer to your question is YES. Jorginho was present in our team when we won Liverpool away last season. Jorginho was present when we won mancity twice last season. Jorginho was present when we won ATM home and away, plus Tottenham twice. Our superb brilliant form early this season.

Guess what, for most of these matches we won,
Either kante or kovacic Were absent in some of them. Jorginho WAS the mainstay.
I do not understand this desire to elevate one midfielder over the other. Kante, kovacic and jorginho are among the best midfielders in the world.
But each of them have their shortcomings.

We saw how brilliant kante was today in driving the ball and not being easily dispossed by the opponents but we also saw kante failing in releasing some through balls for the runners ahead or not being able to take shots from outside the box. Those last two qualities are essential for a central midfielder.

But alas, it's a question of whether what they bring to the table is better than what their perceived weaknesses are.
Jorginho has shown time and again his prowess in controlling the tempo of a game by short and long passing. By not being easily dispossed in the middle but he has very slow recoveries and lacks pace.

Any functional midfield has to click together, have to complement each other to become unbeatable and ours simply haven't.
I actually want kovacic and kante to also start the next few games in order for jorginho to recover and not burn out. But don't be surprised when our middle is also overrun because neither kante or kovacic can control a game effectively. They are both runners and are constantly drifting from the middle, hence disorganizing the shape and structure of the team.

We need them all. And we need to make them click.

FBS:

You say wah?

This attitude is why we are here .

raumdeuter:
Who can explain what VVD was doing for Pulisics goal

When we say he avoid engaging this is another example. He will rather an attacker take an unchallenged shot at his keeper than engage

I am with you on this one. I really do not understand what he was doing. Just jogging in a straight line completely oblivious to danger.

He tuned off.

NinjaXmetahuman:
is top 4 a trophy?

Lol are you surprised a manager that spent 300m entered top 4?

Something Lampard entered without spending 1 Kobo and with bunch of school kids

That's why Cuntay is a massive failure. Spent 300m and couldn't make top 4 that Lampard made

I love Lukaku

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10362893/Chelsea-Romelu-Lukaku-changes-social-media-bio-list-former-club-Inter-Milan.html

I do agree that we need a new central midfielder.
A midfielder with vision and shot power. Someone in the mould of Xabi alonso.
Jorginho is our best passer, by that I don't mean by volume of passes made but by the quality of the passes. Jorginho passes the ball better than fabinho, rodri, hojberg. His passes are usually accurate and he has good vision, maybe like 75% compared to fabregas who was like 90%. Kante and kovacic are like 55%. They are terrible at passes which is why they prefer to drive and they do that well, but this is why they cannot play as a DM. They can only play centrally.

nateevs:


I am with you on this one. I really do not understand what he was doing. Just jogging in a straight line completely oblivious to danger.

He tuned off.

That has always been his game, he avoids contact and engagement everytime

Danger in the box and our man was jogging leisurely

Baba Don J

Believe me I have no desire to pull down or elevate one player at the expense if the other - even if I have my favorites.

I know why I asked the question. There's been question marks about whether those two will make a good partnership, and oga User09 has been one of the most vocal monikers in that regard, so I asked him what he made of Kante and Kova's partnership in the middle, considering his fears, and considering the opposition we faced - the gengen pressing masters themselves.

But thanks for your own input.

I missed a good chunk of the game; principal reason for the question.

nateevs:


Shameful performance. Tuchel Out!!!

Passionate Fan

The performance together with the result are never satisfactory for me. I want and demand better. Liverpool or any other big team won't spare us if we were in their shoes.

raumdeuter:


That's why Cuntay is a massive failure. Spent 300m and couldn't make top 4 that Lampard made

and fraudiola is super massive failure x3 of that of Conte for having just top 4 to show for 300 million.


I hope someone is recording this. Incase it needed to be dug in the future.

Top 4 is a trophy for raumdeuter cos it involves fraudiola

raumdeuter:
I love Lukaku

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10362893/Chelsea-Romelu-Lukaku-changes-social-media-bio-list-former-club-Inter-Milan.html

Just what is this idiot_ playing at??
So he really wants to leave Chelsea immediately?? All these is a ploy to force a transfer?

Makachukwu, if I was the owner of Chelsea. I would ensure his career is ended immediately. He would sit on the bench for the 5 years of his contract. Instead of apologizing,he's doubling down on his obstinacy.
This boy is an idiot_

donjazet:
I do agree that we need a new central midfielder.
A midfielder with vision and shot power. Someone in the mould of Xabi alonso.
Jorginho is our best passer, by that I don't mean by volume of passes made but by the quality of the passes. Jorginho passes the ball better than fabinho, rodri, hojberg. His passes are usually accurate and he has good vision, maybe like 75% compared to fabregas who was like 90%. Kante and kovacic are like 55%. They are terrible at passes which is why they prefer to drive and they do that well, but this is why they cannot play as a DM. They can only play centrally.

Kovacic 55%? Are you sure?

hensben:
Bench Jorginho and lukaku or sell them and get better players and see us dominate the league. You can’t win the league with those two players. Sign Tchouameni and Martinez or Kane then we are good to go.

That's a tall order.
I like Lukaku but that utterances disgust me.
In as much as i feel Tuchel should tinker with his formation sometime, we can all agree that he is a tactician and his football knowledge is higher than ours.
Lukaku messed up and he's still acting like what he said didn't hurt a fly.

OJURONGBE1:


That's a tall order.
I like Lukaku but that utterances disgust me.
In as much as i feel Tuchel should tinker with his formation sometime, we can all agree that he is a tactician and his football knowledge is higher than ours.
Lukaku messed up and he's still acting like what he said didn't hurt a fly.

Lukaku can't do anything against big teams ofr big games so what's his use. Do exchange with Tottenham for Kane end of season, good for everyone. Tott is his level; no too much expectation from him there.

BlueMann:


Kovacic 55%? Are you sure?

Recently, kovacic has been improving in his overall gameplay, both releasing passing and shooting, but his history does show that he lacks those qualities.

raumdeuter:
I love Lukaku

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10362893/Chelsea-Romelu-Lukaku-changes-social-media-bio-list-former-club-Inter-Milan.html

He no go better for Lukaku atm.

NinjaXmetahuman:
and fraudiola is super massive failure x3 of that of Conte for having just top 4 to show for 300 million.


I hope someone is recording is this. Incase it needed to be dug in the future.

Top 4 is a trophy for ramdeuter cos it involves fraudiola

Pep has won the league 3 times in the last 4 seasons already. By May this year likely 4 in 5

Farming The entire league

BlueMann:


I mean today.

Well...more or less the same for me. The thing is Liverpool play very open and TT felt we needed both as they defend better on the front foot

Both are still drifters with Kova's much worse positional indiscipline still there. Pool still broke through our midfield few times today.

Add that to his awareness issues. Case in point, If you look at that Salah movement that was completely missed in the run up to the second goal

On the ball and in transition, he was solid though. Great goal too and he looked like the only player that wasnt fatigued out there today

raumdeuter:


Pep has won the league 3 times in the last 4 seasons already. By May this year likely 4 in 5

Farming The entire league

local league titles. Meant for the likes of Conte and Ranieri.


1ucl >>>> 1000 local trophies.

raumdeuter:


That has always been his game, he avoids contact and engagement everytime

Danger in the box and our man was jogging leisurely

You and lies, have signed an eternal pact.

donjazet:
I do agree that we need a new central midfielder.
A midfielder with vision and shot power. Someone in the mould of Xabi alonso.
Jorginho is our best passer, by that I don't mean by volume of passes made but by the quality of the passes. Jorginho passes the ball better than fabinho, rodri, hojberg. His passes are usually accurate and he has good vision, maybe like 75% compared to fabregas who was like 90%. Kante and kovacic are like 55%. They are terrible at passes which is why they prefer to drive and they do that well, but this is why they cannot play as a DM. They can only play centrally.

Popizaino, what do you make of the bolded?

popizaino:



The performance together with the result are never satisfactory for me. I want and demand better. Liverpool or any other big team won't spare us if we were in their shoes.

The problem is that you always demand, expect, and decide results outside of prevailing circumstances. It's like you are not living in the very moment. We have our wing backs off injured, Havertz (not 100% and only in last minute because of Lukaku) and Werner off for extended periods. Kante and Kovacic playing their first full 90mins in forever, and the whole world now focused on Chelsea after our £100m striker detonated a nuclear bomb in the camp.

But let's live under a rock and assume these things are not happening in our life time. Let's just demand more because we are passionate.

Ibime:


Popizaino, what do you make of the bolded?

Popiziano and yourself are negatively biased towards jorginho so I don't expect you both to agree. I remember the days you constantly berated popiziano as foolish in his opinions.

I don't even want to enter a back and forth exchange with you on this because you will never see any thing good with jorginho.

An objective person would list out the good and bad qualities of a player and analyze accordingly as to how they fit a team but you would rather be blind to 5he strength of any player you hate and manufacturer opinions as to how everything wrong with the team rests on the shoulder of that player.
You are biased. Goodbye.

User09:


Well...more or less the same for me. The thing is Liverpool play very open and TT felt we needed both as they defend better on the front foot

Both are still drifters with Kova's much worse positional indiscipline still there. Pool still broke through our midfield few times today.

Add that to his awareness issues. Case in point, If you look at that Salah movement that was completely missed in the run up to the second goal

On the ball and in transition, he was solid though. Great goal too and he looked like the only player that wasnt fatigued out there today

Kovacic and kante are extremely similar in their style of play. Kante edges him slightly based on energetic workrate. I don't see both of them working well in a 2 man midfield.

Ibime:


Popizaino, what do you make of the bolded?

I swear I wanted to highlight that part but I thought I have been through it with him before and he obviously did not learn from the discussion hence why he is still repeating it.

raumdeuter:
I love Lukaku

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10362893/Chelsea-Romelu-Lukaku-changes-social-media-bio-list-former-club-Inter-Milan.html

I am willing to give this the benefit of the doubt. Just in case he is not personally responsible for his Social Media account.

nateevs:


I am willing to give this the benefit of the doubt. Just in case he is not personally responsible for his Social Media account.

Lukaku has decided to go full blown rogue.
I am really shocked I swear. I fell for the emotional vibes he was giving us when we signed him.
The fact that he was the one who pushed for the transfer to happen. How many interviews did this guy give saying he wanted to prove his doubters wrong here?

I did believe this guy would be a super striker for us. Shame he has decided to turn into this.

The club needs to keep him far away from the rest of the players lest he sows discord in the dressing room. Let them isolate him permanently till he resolves his issue while slashing his salary.