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samorobo:
No he is not.he used to be my hand rag back in the day just as sh*male is now and how Nairobiwalker was to you. You tormented tgat idiot that year

Oh Yes!
Now I remember the Nairobiwalker alias Kiberawalker. He should be dead by now. There's no way he would be alive and stay away from nairaland. Guy had like 5 monikers then. Like kikuyuman and RIP2008 now.

Tylan was your boy, but he was not as stvpid as the she.male. At least it was tylan who first criticized Kenya about the starving turkanas.

Anything would fail in zoo like Nigeria or Ghana - even basic stuff like electricity supply. Affordable housing was working in Kenya until IMF/WB SAP led to it's abandonment in late 80s and early 90s - and housing sector went informal.

So this something that has worked before...Singapore is good example of how it can work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dBaEo4QplQ

Before we abandon affordable housing - we built estates like buruburu, umoja, name them - nyayo high rise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzhMtGkrEdM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgVhL7kAVg

obaaderemi:
You think the idiot doesn't know? He just likes dreaming big for his little India.
Nigeria tried it with Federal Mortgage Bank and Federal Housing Authority. It failed. Kenya is where Nigeria was in the 80s.

Ghana even started building the 10 billion dollars 200,000 unit project all across the country and then infighting happened between the partners just after a month which landed in a huge court battle.

Now the private sector is leading the effort with over 2 million units under construction.
The solution to affordable housing is private sector led... The 60s to 90s are long over

obaaderemi:
Oh Yes!
Now I remember the Nairobiwalker alias Kiberawalker. He should be dead by now. There's no way he would be alive and stay away from nairaland. Guy had like 5 monikers then. Like kikuyuman and RIP2008 now.

Tylan was your boy, but he was not as stvpid as the she.male. At least it was tylan who first criticized Kenya about the starving turkanas.

Yeah you are right about the tylaan part. He wasn’t as stupid as she.male. I remember how he openly and vehemently criticized turkana while rvp and the likes were trying to talk him away from doing it. You could tell it’s came from a place of pain. He was unhappy seeing the conditions of his fellow country up north.

Private sector is profit driven. They are not going to build low end housing units that are affordable - but are market driven - because they borrow money from banks - and have to repay loans - and make profit.

What kenya is doing is simple - de-risking the private sector.

Public sector or gov will NOT BUILD ANY HOUSE.

Kenya gov is de-risking the private sector that want to involve themsleves in AFFORDABLE housing - not build luxury units.

What kenya gov will do is to provide free land (30% of cost of unit is land) because gov has lots of land - and secondly it also going to allow zero rated building materials and zero taxes on profit (that is another 30% down) - lastly the gov is going to build horizontal infrastructure within housing estates (roads, water pipes, sewage, etc) - another huge cost cut.

That drastically cut the cost of housing for those building affordable units....and they can deliver a two bedroom for 20K usd.

That fixes SUPPLY SIDE.

Then we move DEMAND side...effective demand. How do we get poor people driving trotos or driving okada to afford 20K usd unit.

Simple - like you have done for your National Health Insurance - we have similar housing levy - that provide them with deposit - say 2,000K usd - sort of IMPOSED COMPLUSORY SAVINGS for their housing need.

Then give them 15-20yrs mortgage - that should be equivalent to the rent they pay now as okada rider renting a house.

These people pay maybe 50-80USD for slumscrapper unit. Now they will pay the same - and it will be mortagage - not rent.

Now the developer build these cheap houses - the gov uses the housing levy and commercial banks to issue loans - and where loans are not affordable - the kenya mortgage refinancing will TOP UP.

This model that is already working - we just need to scale it.

Just40:
Ghana even started building the 10 billion dollars 200,000 unit project all across the country and then infighting happened between the partners just after a month which landed in a huge court battle.

Now the private sector is leading the effort with over 2 million units under construction.
The solution to affordable housing is private sector led... The 60s to 90s are long over

rvp2018:
Anything would fail in zoo like Nigeria or Ghana - even basic stuff like electricity supply. Affordable housing was working in Kenya until IMF/WB SAP led to it's abandonment in late 80s and early 90s - and housing sector went informal.

So this something that has worked before...Singapore is good example of how it can work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dBaEo4QplQ

Before we abandon affordable housing - we built estates like buruburu, umoja, name them - nyayo high rise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzhMtGkrEdM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgVhL7kAVg

govt led affordable housing was feasible in the 60s to 90s..

Ghana build tons of them from the 1920s all the way to the 1990s ....

Now, the best and most affordable housing can only be provided by the private sector.....

Your largely corrupt govt will fail at it because most Kenyans are poor and can only afford to rent some slum somewhere and that figure stands at 91%

Kaduna : a state building far more roads projects than the whole of Kenya
33 Dualized road project in Kaduna metro, 24 in Zaria LGA, 23 in Kafancha, 7 new flyover/Underpasses, Mega schools, smart street lights all commissioned today by the president

rvp2018:
Private sector is profit driven. They are not going to build low end housing units that are affordable - but are market driven - because they borrow money from banks - and have to repay loans - and make profit.

What kenya is doing is simple - de-risking the private sector.

Public sector or gov will NOT BUILD ANY HOUSE.

Kenya gov is de-risking the private sector that want to involve themsleves in AFFORDABLE housing - not build luxury units.

What kenya gov will do is to provide free land (30% of cost of unit is land) because gov has lots of land - and secondly it also going to allow zero rated building materials and zero taxes on profit (that is another 30% down) - lastly the gov is going to build horizontal infrastructure within housing estates (roads, water pipes, sewage, etc) - another huge cost cut.

That drastically cut the cost of housing for those building affordable units....and they can deliver a two bedroom for 20K usd.

That fixes SUPPLY SIDE.

Then we move DEMAND side...effective demand. How do we get poor people driving trotos or driving okada to afford 20K usd unit.

Simple - like you have done for your National Health Insurance - we have similar housing levy - that provide them with deposit - say 2,000K usd.

Then give them 15-20yrs mortagage - that should be equivalent to the rent they pay now as okada rider renting a house.

These people pay maybe 50-80USD for slumscrapper unit. Now they will pay the same - and it will be mortagage - not rent.

I don't have time to read all your nonsense...

The private sector knows how to build affordable housing at 11,000 to 20,000 dollars beautiful homes and they still make profit.

See you're mad cow - because you dont even read but proceed to make crazy arguments devoid of any factoid.

In first place your housing sector is even worse than kenya - there is barely any private sector involvment.

It's informal sector completely - people building their houses in different colours and shapes - and creating huge mess - which worse than Kenya slum problem - because it create an ENDLESS SLUMPOLIS of tin shacks like ACCRA, KUMASI AND NIGERIA CITIES How do you even begin to address your housing problem? Everywhere is just ramshackle of tin shacks mixed with offices and churches - sprawling endlessly.

Kenya at least has problem that can be contained before it become west african mess.

And it can only be contained by BIG DEVELOPERS BUILDING THOUSANDS UNITS IN ORDERLY FASHION.

You cannot call private sector - informal sector - where everyone wakes up - buy land - start building slowly and slowly - over 20yrs - and create a huge mess.

Countries that have developed leave that job to insurance companies, large housing companies - talking 10,000 units estates, pension funds and such private housing sector who can deploy ECONOMIES OF SCALE.

People in developed world dont even know how to build a house because they just buy a house through mortagages - it's not Africa dotted with hardware shops with everyone building their thing on their own pace on their own taste - INFORMAL HOUSING SECTOR.

Just40:
I don't have time to read all your nonsense...

The private sector knows how to build affordable housing at 11,000 to 20,000 dollars beautiful homes and they still make profit.

2nd Niger bridge successfully aligned the 75m long cantilevers of axes 270/280 and concreted the southern and northern gaps . A development that signals the nearing of completion in the Onitsha and Asaba ends
scope : The Second Niger bridge is a Nigerian Federal Government project that is 1.6 km (0.99 mi) long and furnished with other ancillary infrastructure including a 10.3 km (6.4 mi) highway, Owerri interchange and a toll station all at Obosi city, expected to be completed in the year 2022.

rvp2018:
Nairobi Railway city - regeneration of Nairobi city get UK funding of design - Kenya gov to fund the construction that start this year at 250M dollars

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/uk-firm-set-design-246-6m-railways-city-in-kenya-3686766

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=935Y-PMNlQ8

https://cdn.standardmedia.co.ke/images/tuesday/mhetolixu6s4wjszsrs85f293414cc3e9.jpg


''The construction of this project will be fully financed by the Kenyan government. UK's firms KPMG and Atkins Global are only handling the research and design work,'' Ford said in a press interview.

Yesterday, Atkins Global presented a preliminary design for the multi-model urban development project to be referred to as the Nairobi Railway City.

“UK firm Atkins Global has been appointed to design Nairobi’s new Central Train Station and associated public realm, which will provide the centrepiece of Nairobi Railway City,” Ford said.

Wet dream!!

rvp2018:
Private sector is profit driven. They are not going to build low end housing units that are affordable - but are market driven - because they borrow money from banks - and have to repay loans - and make profit.

What kenya is doing is simple - de-risking the private sector.

Public sector or gov will NOT BUILD ANY HOUSE.

Kenya gov is de-risking the private sector that want to involve themsleves in AFFORDABLE housing - not build luxury units.

What kenya gov will do is to provide free land (30% of cost of unit is land) because gov has lots of land - and secondly it also going to allow zero rated building materials and zero taxes on profit (that is another 30% down) - lastly the gov is going to build horizontal infrastructure within housing estates (roads, water pipes, sewage, etc) - another huge cost cut.

That drastically cut the cost of housing for those building affordable units....and they can deliver a two bedroom for 20K usd.

That fixes SUPPLY SIDE.

Then we move DEMAND side...effective demand. How do we get poor people driving trotos or driving okada to afford 20K usd unit.

Simple - like you have done for your National Health Insurance - we have similar housing levy - that provide them with deposit - say 2,000K usd - sort of IMPOSED COMPLUSORY SAVINGS for their housing need.

Then give them 15-20yrs mortgage - that should be equivalent to the rent they pay now as okada rider renting a house.

These people pay maybe 50-80USD for slumscrapper unit. Now they will pay the same - and it will be mortagage - not rent.

Now the developer build these cheap houses - the gov uses the housing levy and commercial banks to issue loans - and where loans are not affordable - the kenya mortgage refinancing will TOP UP.

This model that is already working - we just need to scale it.

We heard this four years back and the years before yet nothing. You had the knowledge so what’s stopped you from harnessing. I expected by now you should have erected those structures.next year will make it 5 years y’all were screaming “by 2023 we will have 500k affordable housing units” almost 5 years now and we haven’t seen a concrete block.

rvp2018:
See you're mad cow - because you dont even read but proceed to make crazy arguments devoid of any factoid.

In first place your housing sector is even worse than kenya - there is barely any private sector involvment.

It's informal sector completely - people building their houses in different colours and shapes - and creating huge mess - which worse than Kenya slum problem - because it create an ENDLESS SLUMPOLIS of tin shacks like ACCRA, KUMASI AND NIGERIA CITIES How do you even begin to address your housing problem? Every is just ramshackle of tin shacks mixed with offices and churches.

Kenya at least has problem that can be contained before it become west african mess.

And it can only be contained by BIG DEVELOPERS BUILDING THOUSANDS UNITS IN ORDERLY FASHION.

you mean an endless number of well planned communities with beautiful homes..

Those can't be compared to your nasty slumscrapers, zinc and mud houses that fill your city...

West Africa contained that problem far back in the 70s hence why it hasn't become a huge mess like in Kenya where everything is a slum.. That is why you won't find huge slums in most west African cities like you find doting all over Kenya


See the beautiful affordable homes that people are getting at 13,000 dollars
This is the power of the private sector

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDhrN9Cy4DQ

We have completed a few thousands - many thousands are under construction now. If our president was not half-drunk most of the time - we should have done a lot of work.

samorobo:
We heard this four years back and the years before yet nothing. You had the knowledge so what’s stopped you from harnessing. I expected by now you should have erected those structures.next year will make it 5 years y’all were screaming “by 2023 we will have 500k affordable housing units” almost 5 years now and we haven’t seen a concrete block.

Mad cow - container houses? You cities are slumpolis. Not comparable to Kenya cities. Your housing problem is gigantic. You need to build brand new cities from the scratch. You cannot fix Accra. You'd have to do what Rwanda did...mass demolition and displacement of people. You literally need to flatten your cities and start a fresh.

A city should look like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_-IuyK9SE&t=799s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQvPTPpPps

Nairobi we have small problem - Just 5 percent of the land mass.

Just40:
you mean an endless number of well planned communities with beautiful homes..

Those can't be compared to your nasty slumscrapers, zinc and mud houses that fill your city...

West Africa contained that problem far back in the 70s hence why it hasn't become a huge mess like in Kenya where everything is a slum.. That is why you won't find huge slums in most west African cities like you find doting all over Kenya


See the beautiful affordable homes that people are getting at 13,000 dollars
This is the power of the private sector

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDhrN9Cy4DQ

rvp2018:
See you're mad cow - because you dont even read but proceed to make crazy arguments devoid of any factoid.

In first place your housing sector is even worse than kenya - there is barely any private sector involvment.

It's informal sector completely - people building their houses in different colours and shapes - and creating huge mess - which worse than Kenya slum problem - because it create an ENDLESS SLUMPOLIS of tin shacks like ACCRA, KUMASI AND NIGERIA CITIES How do you even begin to address your housing problem? Everywhere is just ramshackle of tin shacks mixed with offices and churches - sprawling endlessly.

Kenya at least has problem that can be contained before it become west african mess.

And it can only be contained by BIG DEVELOPERS BUILDING THOUSANDS UNITS IN ORDERLY FASHION.

You cannot call private sector - informal sector - where everyone wakes up - buy land - start building slowly and slowly - over 20yrs - and create a huge mess.

Countries that have developed leave that job to insurance companies, large housing companies - talking 10,000 units estates, pension funds and such private housing sector who can deploy ECONOMIES OF SCALE.

People in developed world dont even know how to build a house because they just buy a house through mortagages - it's not Africa dotted with hardware shops with everyone building their thing on their own pace on their own taste - INFORMAL HOUSING SECTOR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiMDdAc0iQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv0ede9RvP8

Small problem of improving paving and walk ways. We are working on that. Nairobi Non motorized transport will cost mere 10M dollars. It's under way and most of it already fixed.

That is lipstick - but big problem is eliminating slums.

samorobo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiMDdAc0iQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv0ede9RvP8

rvp2018:
We have completed a few thousands - many thousands are under construction now. If our president was not half-drunk most of the time - we should have done a lot of work.

A few is less than 5k. You are not impressing Uganda at this point.

We are not doing to impress anybody. We are doing to provide decent housing to every kenyan including Okada driver! Affordable housing is for low class so they can also live like humans - not like Nigeria zoos.

Now what is big plan for Makoko and entire slumpolis that is Lagos.

samorobo:
A few is less than 5k. You are not impressing Uganda at this point.

rvp2018:
Small problem of improving paving and walk ways. We are working on that. Nairobi Non motorized transport will cost mere 10M dollars. It's under way and most of it already fixed.

That is lipstick - but big problem is eliminating slums.

Your cbd is actually a slum like mombasa’s. I though this was different. Lol you keep wasting my time.

rvp2018:
Mad cow - container houses? You cities are slumpolis. Not comparable to Kenya cities. Your housing problem is gigantic. You need to build brand new cities from the scratch. You cannot fix Accra. You'd have to do what Rwanda did...mass demolition and displacement of people.

Lunatic

Do these beautiful 12,000 dollars homes look slummy to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePKAr_5YkXM&t=156s

or this 6,000 dollars one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izgwOkwxQ0I&t=1183s

or these ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm7KdM26CpM



you are fuming at your mouth because there's no way that Kenya can solve it huge slum mess all around the country....

up to 7 million of nairobi 10 million dwellers are living in slums sitting on a piece of land and they cant afford to own a home and you call that a small problem?

rvp2018:
We are not doing to impress anybody. We are doing to provide decent housing to every kenya including Okada driver!

Your progress should be impressive,if it not then I don’t know what business you have in here.log off already and find peace.

Yet you never stop watching videos looking for broken pavement.

samorobo:
Your cbd is actually a slum like mombasa’s. I though this was different. Lol you keep wasting my time.

Container city That is why your president has Nairobi as his north star. A used container is 1,000usd but that is not a house.

Just30:
Lunatic

Do these beautiful 12,000 dollars homes look slummy to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePKAr_5YkXM&t=156s

or this 6,000 dollars one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izgwOkwxQ0I&t=1183s

or these ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm7KdM26CpM



you are fuming at your mouth because there's no way that Kenya can solve it huge slum mess all around the country

rvp2018:
We are not doing to impress anybody. We are doing to provide decent housing to every kenyan including Okada driver! Affordable housing is for low class so they can also live like humans - not like Nigeria zoos.

Now what is big plan for Makoko and entire slumpolis that is Lagos.

Kibera had a plan since 2003 and hasn’t implemented shiit,who the fvck are you to interrogate me?

rvp2018:
Yet you never stop watching videos looking for broken pavement.

Actually everywhere in your zoo is broken,I don’t need to look to hard. Decent infrastructure is almost alien in your zoo.

Kibera has seen a lot of improvement - there now thousands of toilets - there are now paved roads - everyone has electricity that works 24hrs - and they have water. It's better than 99 percent of Nigeria.

Again remember our slum problem is very easy to solve.

2 percent of land mass. 5 percent of built up area.

EASY.

Yours need jesus.

samorobo:
Kibera had a plan since 2003 and hasn’t implemented shiit,who the fvck are you to interrogate me?

remodelled Murtala Muhammed Square. Massive development ongoing in Kaduna right now.( Kenyans please this how to develop every parts of the country and not the tiny parts of your cbd),
One of the largest sporting complex in Africa, with all major sporting facilities

rvp2018:
Container city That is why your president has Nairobi as his north star. A used container is 1,000usd but that is not a house.

They are far beautiful and modern than leaving poor nairobians to live in nasty slum scrappers, zinc and mud houses without toilet
and guess what, they are far more affordable


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UsyWd7gDBo&t=58s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nbiSUX6QX8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoTNVhn1p1c&t=31s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXEiTlE29Cc&t=114s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITM1Hpx6W5I&t=284s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8dqv_Ja6RI

samorobo:
Kibera had a plan since 2003 and hasn’t implemented shiit,who the fvck are you to interrogate me?

it cant implement shit because no mortgage company in Kenya will give peasants 50 years to pay for a 40,000 to 50,000 dollars one bedroom house

Kamikaze grotesque ideas that wont scale. Until you begin building high rises for the poor - you're wasting time, land and energy. Those houses near to be near their hustle....meaning near business district, industrial areas and upper class.

Otherwise youll create another Soweto problem.

Just30:
They are far beautiful and modern than leaving poor nairobians to live in nasty slum scrappers, zinc and mud houses without toilet
and guess what, they are far more affordable


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UsyWd7gDBo&t=58s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nbiSUX6QX8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoTNVhn1p1c&t=31s

Newly completed road project in Bauchi (North-East)