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We’re all immortal beings
trapped in bodies as temporary beings,
imprisoned by our desires to live a temporary dream,
distracted from the substance of continuity
by the pursuit of a shadow
that has turned most of us into
beasts that live all for today and gone tomorrow’
condemned to the trash bin of history, to be remembered no more:

But we’re souls, immortal beings,
meant to be made stronger by pains and sufferings,
so that we could embody empathy and compassion;
emotions that ingrain loving without discrimination in our nature
and give us the nature of those glorious immortal beings
we were meant to be from the beginning.


Cc: Lalasticlala.

https://ayietim.com/2022/01/23/you-dont-have-a-soul-doctor-you-are-a-soul-you-have-a-body-temporarily-walter-m-miller/

Who be this one?

How come you have no memory of what you were before you were born?

What makes you think you will exist with any form of consciousness/sentience after you die?

Stop lying to yourself.

alphaNomega:
Who be this one?

How come you have no memory of what you were before you were born?

What makes you think you will exist with any form of consciousness/sentience after you die?

Stop lying to yourself.

It's your opinion. I respect it. One love.

alphaNomega:
Who be this one?

How come you have no memory of what you were before you were born?

What makes you think you will exist with any form of consciousness/sentience after you die?

Stop lying to yourself.

Memory is a different matter. How come you have no memory of your birth?
The argument of memory does not count here.
How come you have no memory of the womb even though science proves that babies in the womb grow to recognize their mother's voice.
Please look for a better argument, the argument of memory hold no weight.

Ayietim:
We’re all immortal beings
trapped in bodies as temporary beings,
imprisoned by our desires to live a temporary dream,
distracted from the substance of continuity
by the pursuit of a shadow
that has turned most of us into
beasts that live all for today and gone tomorrow’
condemned to the trash bin of history, to be remembered no more:

But we’re souls, immortal beings,
meant to be made stronger by pains and sufferings,
so that we could embody empathy and compassion;
emotions that ingrain loving without discrimination in our nature
and give us the nature of those glorious immortal beings
we were meant to be from the beginning.

https://ayietim.com/2022/01/23/you-dont-have-a-soul-doctor-you-are-a-soul-you-have-a-body-temporarily-walter-m-miller/

Do you realise you have been brainwashed to call your reality a dream? With no evidence of your claim?

You are simply saying your parents are not real, your siblings and friends are not really. Your achievements/dreams and ambitions are not real. Your 100 years of possible existence is not real.

That the only thing that is real is an idea.
And idea that you have never and none else has experienced?
Think about that as I look forward to an intelligent response.

Ayietim:
We’re all immortal beings
trapped in bodies as temporary beings,
imprisoned by our desires to live a temporary dream,
distracted from the substance of continuity
by the pursuit of a shadow
that has turned most of us into
beasts that live all for today and gone tomorrow’
condemned to the trash bin of history, to be remembered no more:

But we’re souls, immortal beings,
meant to be made stronger by pains and sufferings,
so that we could embody empathy and compassion;
emotions that ingrain loving without discrimination in our nature
and give us the nature of those glorious immortal beings
we were meant to be from the beginning.

https://ayietim.com/2022/01/23/you-dont-have-a-soul-doctor-you-are-a-soul-you-have-a-body-temporarily-walter-m-miller/

NNTR:
I dont do argues and I never typed that body =soul and soul = body

Pay a circus, to go see a clown

You for a start, is a soul and vice versa

The enemy is the 'inner me', you, yourself

Matthew 10:28
And do not be afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul,
but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

triplechoice, your blind religious indoctrination prevents you from seeing in Matthew 10:28 above that souls can be destroyed. Smh

It is because it belongs to you. It is because the soul, is the intrinsic part of you formed that came alive and would remain alive and intact after death

The soul is, you and vice versa
You are a soul that has a visible part called the body. Your soul vibrates and reverberates to all parts of your body. Check your body for its pulses, loll.

Please dont mention me again because the meaning of NNTR, has come into force and you wouldnt get any response from me

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

cc haddeylium

Myer:
Do you realise you have been brainwashed to call your reality a dream? With no evidence of your claim?

You are simply saying your parents are not real, your siblings and friends are not really. Your achievements/dreams and ambitions are not real. Your 100 years of possible existence is not real.

That the only thing that is real is an idea.
And idea that you have never and none else has experienced?
Think about that as I look forward to an intelligent response.

I have no intelligent response to your question. But please permit me to ask you some questions and make some suggestions

What's reality? Is reality evidenced by only what we could see and touch? Or the true reality is the manifestation of a dream; of the invisible?

Think about all inventions we have, in what form did they exist before they became the form we all could see and touch? They all began as some people's dreams. Dreams that became passions that seduced their owners, won their love, stole their time and extracted total devotion from them.

Haven't these inventions made life easier and more comfortable? If they have, wouldn't it be fair to conclude that we could only go back to the beginning by expressing our temporary existence in love?

Ayietim:
I have no intelligent response to your question. But please permit me to ask you some questions and make some suggestions

What's reality? Is reality evidenced by only what we could see and touch? Or the true reality is the manifestation of a dream; of the invisible?

Think about all inventions we have, in what form did they exist before they became the form we all could see and touch? They all began as some people's dreams. Dreams that became passions that seduced their owners, won their love, stole their time and extracted total devotion from them.

Haven't these inventions made life easier and more comfortable? If they have, wouldn't it be fair to conclude that we could only go back to the beginning by expressing our temporary existence in love?

Ideas that have been proven true have come to pass.
The idea of heaven or after life is only evidenced by someone dying and going to heaven or hell and having a second chance to recount it.
And not just one but more than one witness.

The idea of heaven is more than 4000 years old yet no proof, no evidence.
The only reason you believe it is that it was mentioned in the bible. Both Jesus and David also mentioned Sheol as an after life . Besides that no other proof.

tctrills:
Memory is a different matter. How come you have no memory of your birth?
The argument of memory does not count here.
How come you have no memory of the womb even though science proves that babies in the womb grow to recognize their mother's voice.
Please look for a better argument, the argument of memory hold no weight.

Memory is perfectly in line with this immortality argument.

OP said we are immortal beings trapped in our human bodies temporarily.

My questions are simple and straightforward. Why don't you have any memory of your immorality before you were "trapped"?

You even agree that even as newborns, we have no memories of our birth. An immortal being will definitely have total recall of memories no matter how many lifeforms it has adopted over the course of its existence, so why is your own different?

Stop lying to yourselves.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

You are not immortal and you have only this life to live, don't spend your time dreaming of an afterlife that never exists.

alphaNomega:
Memory is perfectly in line with this immortality argument.

OP said we are immortal beings trapped in our human bodies temporarily.

My questions are simple and straightforward. Why don't you have any memory of your immorality before you were "trapped"?

You even agree that even as newborns, we have no memories of our birth. An immortal being will definitely have total recall of memories no matter how many lifeforms it has adopted over the course of its existence, so why is your own different?

Stop lying to yourselves.
you missed the point, If we don't have memory of our time as babies then it's unrealistic to expect the memory of a more distant time. Do you get it now?

Wake up and smell the coffee.

You are not immortal and you have only this life to live, don't spend your time dreaming of an afterlife that never exists.

First lack of memory of an event does not mean it did not happen. Also, if you understand the loss of memory of our infant experience, then it would be unfair to expect the memory of a much distant period.

I don't remember my last dream. Does that mean that I did not dream?

tctrills:
First lack of memory of an event does not mean it did not happen. Also, if you understand the loss of memory of our infant experience, then it would be unfair to expect the memory of a much distant period.

I don't remember my last dream. Does that mean that I did not dream?

A being powerful enough to be immortal should have no problems with memory no matter its form or function.

You are not immortal.

alphaNomega:
A being powerful enough to be immortal should have no problems with memory no matter its form or function.

You are not immortal.

first immortality has nothing to do with power. Matter is immortal but most matter is dormant. Immortality is not a measure of power nor is the ability to remember. The most powerful men do not necessarily have greater memory.
If memory is your only argument against immortality then I think you need rethink it

alphaNomega:
A being powerful enough to be immortal should have no problems with memory no matter its form or function.

You are not immortal.

You need to drop this memory argument. Memory has nothing to do with mortality or immortality. Please bring up another argument and I promise to answer you

Ayietim:
We’re all immortal beings
trapped in bodies as temporary beings,
imprisoned by our desires to live a temporary dream,
distracted from the substance of continuity
by the pursuit of a shadow
that has turned most of us into
beasts that live all for today and gone tomorrow’
condemned to the trash bin of history, to be remembered no more:

But we’re souls, immortal beings,
meant to be made stronger by pains and sufferings,
so that we could embody empathy and compassion;
emotions that ingrain loving without discrimination in our nature
and give us the nature of those glorious immortal beings
we were meant to be from the beginning.

tctrills:
Memory is a different matter. How come you have no memory of your birth?
The argument of memory does not count here.
How come you have no memory of the womb even though science proves that babies in the womb grow to recognize their mother's voice.
Please look for a better argument, the argument of memory hold no weight.

alphaNomega:
Memory is perfectly in line with this immortality argument.

OP said we are immortal beings trapped in our human bodies temporarily.

My questions are simple and straightforward. Why don't you have any memory of your immorality before you were "trapped"?

You even agree that even as newborns, we have no memories of our birth. An immortal being will definitely have total recall of memories no matter how many lifeforms it has adopted over the course of its existence, so why is your own different?

Stop lying to yourselves.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

You are not immortal and you have only this life to live, don't spend your time dreaming of an afterlife that never exists.

Matthew 10:28
And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul.
Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

Matthew 10:28, gives the understanding that immortality isnt a perk souls automatically enjoy

Whats the use of immortality to a soul, that couldn't use, a hour and half well while on earth. No one can be immortal, if they die. There's only one way to be immortal, and thats, not to die.

Now, just because you have no memory of when in the womb or when breaking the amniotic fluid while in the womb, doesnt mean your memory isnt stored in your spirit man aka ruach that upon after drawing the last breath, returns back to God with all that information safely intact and incorruptibly stored.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Matthew 10:28
And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul.
Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

Matthew 10:28, gives the understanding that immortality isnt a perk souls automatically enjoy

Whats the use of immortality to a soul, that couldn't use, a hour and half well while on earth. No one can be immortal, if they die. There's only one way to be immortal, and thats, not to die.

Now, just because you have no memory of when in the womb or when breaking the amniotic fluid while in the womb, doesnt mean your memory isnt stored in your spirit man aka ruach that upon after drawing the last breath, returns back to God with all that information safely intact and incorruptibly stored.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

That is your interpretation. And I see what you did with Gehenna. What version of Bible says Gehenna

tctrills:
[s]That is your interpretation. And I see what you did with Gehenna. What version of Bible says Gehenna[/s]

Keeping the context of Matthew 10:28 in mind, what do you, at all know, about Gehenna, that's made you imagined you've seen what I've done with Gehenna? Smh.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Keeping the context of Matthew 10:28 in mind, what do you, at all know, about Gehenna, that's made you imagined you've seen what I've done with Gehenna? Smh.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Gehenna isn't in the English translation. Or are you writing a mixed translation?

Ayietim:
It's your opinion. I respect it. One love.

those questions he asked were relevant to deciphering the truth of your claim that we are , all of us, immortal souls. Surely a soul that is immortal would retain records eg. Memories that is evidence of its immortality.

tctrills:
Gehenna isn't in the English translation.
Or are you writing a mixed translation?

Isaiah 30:33
For Topheth has long been prepared; it has been made ready for the king.
Its funeral pyre is deep and wide, with plenty of fire and wood.
The breath of the LORD, like a torrent of burning sulfur, sets it ablaze.

Jeremiah 7:32
So behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD,
when this place will no longer be called Topheth and the Valley of Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter.
For they will bury the dead in Topheth until there is no more room.

Smh. What is original?
1. Is it the Hebrew/Aramaic word that is original or is it the English word translation thats original?
2. What word originally did Jesus use for the place popularly known as Topheth or the Valley of Ben-hinnom, and even the Valley of Slaughter, that equally serves as an incinerating refuse or rubbish dump site?
3. Is Gehenna a Hebrew/Aramaic word or is it an English word originally?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

tctrills:
First lack of memory of an event does not mean it did not happen. Also, if you understand the loss of memory of our infant experience, then it would be unfair to expect the memory of a much distant period.

I don't remember my last dream. Does that mean that I did not dream?

Rather it is evidence that there isn't something other than your brain collating your experiences. If there is a soul, you need to provide evidence for it because memory indicates there isn't one.

tctrills:
You need to drop this memory argument. Memory has nothing to do with mortality or immortality. Please bring up another argument and I promise to answer you

Nope, you should provide the evidence that soul exists.

NNTR:
Matthew 10:28
And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul.
Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

Matthew 10:28, gives the understanding that immortality isnt a perk souls automatically enjoy

Whats the use of immortality to a soul, that couldn't use, a hour and half well while on earth. No one can be immortal, if they die. There's only one way to be immortal, and thats, not to die.

Now, just because you have no memory of when in the womb or when breaking the amniotic fluid while in the womb, doesnt mean your memory isnt stored in your spirit man aka ruach that upon after drawing the last breath, returns back to God with all that information safely intact and incorruptibly stored.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Dude, when someone dies, that's it. Everything is over. There is no memory backup to an invisible god that does not exist

tctrills:
You need to drop this memory argument. Memory has nothing to do with mortality or immortality. Please bring up another argument and I promise to answer you

What is your point?

You have not made any useful submission other than countering what I have written.

Let me start with you,

Are you immortal in any way? Do you agree you are immortal?

alphaNomega:
What is your point?

You have not made any useful submission other than countering what I have written.

Let me start with you,

Are you immortal in any way? Do you agree you are immortal?

Drop the memory argument then we can talk

LordReed:
Nope, you should provide the evidence that soul exists.

No I don't need to. If you have any evidence that God exist then would I show you that the soul of man is immortal

LordReed:
Rather it is evidence that there isn't something other than your brain collating your experiences. If there is a soul, you need to provide evidence for it because memory indicates there isn't one.

Since you can't remember being in your mother's womb, let's just say you were never there

tctrills:
Since you can't remember being in your mother's womb, let's just say you were never there

If I made the claim that foetuses in the womb are beings having experiences spanning years then perhaps you'd have a valid point but I haven't made such a claim while you have. Can you produce evidence for soul or is all you have dribbling about semantics and word games?

tctrills:
No I don't need to. If you have any evidence that God exist then would I show you that the soul of man is immortal

You need to if you claim there is an immortal soul.

I don't believe in any god or gods so why would I be showing you evidence of one?

tctrills:
Drop the memory argument then we can talk

I gave you an opportunity to state your position and you had nothing to contribute.

Good bye

LordReed:
If I made the claim that foetuses in the womb are beings having experiences spanning years then perhaps you'd have a valid point but I haven't made such a claim while you have. Can you produce evidence for soul or is all you have dribbling about semantics and word games?

Don't mind the guy. He doesn't know anything.

alphaNomega:
Dude, when someone dies, that's it. Everything is over.

Yeah, that's it, the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death, then after, everything will begin all over again

alphaNomega:
There is no memory backup to an invisible god that does not exist

The data memory is not back up to an invisible god that does not exist, but rather, It is backed up to as exhibits or evidences, to serves as witness(es) against or for you, loll

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}