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AnfieldFan:
Yea.... Jorginho creates lots of chances
Kovacic had 27 appearances..
Kante 30..
Jorginho 28...

By the way,these stats are from last season...Which was apparently Jorginho's best..

He topped most of those stats in his first season yet they said he's not good. So pls rest abeg

BlueMann:
That isn't what you opined initially.

And as for the question; what do you even mean by better passes? Through balls, big chances created, forward passes? If so, then yes, Kovacic has defo given better passes than Jorginho this season.

What do you think I opined? Of our own midfielders, jorginho is the best passer.
When I say better passes, I mean good weighted passes. Accurate long balls and through balls. And jorginho does this best.
Kovacic has indeed stepped up this season. I personally think he's our most improved player {although in limited appearances} but jorginho has consistently done this.

AnfieldFan:
Yea.... Jorginho creates lots of chances
Kovacic had 27 appearances..
Kante 30..
Jorginho 28...

By the way,these stats are from last season...Which was apparently Jorginho's best..

I would like you to show that of other DM's. Because this season shows us that jorginho surpasses rodri and fabinho in many metrics. You are delegating the role of a central midfielder to a DM. Central midfielders should create more chances than the DM. Is kante, kovacic doin this?
Jorginho proves better than rodri in chance creation despite playing in a city midfield.
Likewise jorginho creating better than fabinho in an ultra-attacking kloop system.

PDPGuy:
This dude should be invited to the Super Eagles ASAP!
His close control and dribbling are insane
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=b0z2PoF9ej4&feature=emb_logo

Na wa oh. Naija get flying wingers

donjazet:
I would like you to show that of other DM's. Because this season shows us that jorginho surpasses rodri and fabinho in many metrics. You are delegating the role of a central midfielder to a DM. Central midfielders should create more chances than the DM. Is kante, kovacic doin this?
Jorginho proves better than rodri in chance creation despite playing in a city midfield.
Likewise jorginho creating better than fabinho in an ultra-attacking kloop system.

But I wasn't comparing Jorginho to other Dm's, I specifically compared him to Kante and Kovacic and what you're saying he does much better than them doesn't add up with their available stats throughout last season...
Furthermore, I haven't claimed Fabinho or Rodri creates more than him but if those are the stats that support him being a regista compared to them, then they aren't convincing....

Lampard is back in premier league #Everton

BlueMann:
That isn't what you opined initially.

And as for the question; what do you even mean by better passes? Through balls, big chances created, forward passes? If so, then yes, Kovacic has defo given better passes than Jorginho this season.

Jorginho 5 big chance created, kovacic 6 in the premier league

Jorginho 333 forward passes, kovacic 216 forward passes

Jorginho 1,421 touches , kovacic 1,033

Jorginho 6 through balls, kovacic 9

All in the premier, is there any huge significance between this stats, that made kova definitely better

PDPGuy:
This dude should be invited to the Super Eagles ASAP!
His close control and dribbling are insane
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=b0z2PoF9ej4&feature=emb_logo

I watched his clips a week or two ago. He is fast and very good at dribbling...

Exciting talent.

AnfieldFan:
But I wasn't comparing Jorginho to other Dm's, I specifically compared him to Kante and Kovacic and what you're saying he does much better than them doesn't add up with their available stats throughout last season...
Furthermore, I haven't claimed Fabinho or Rodri creates more than him but if those are the stats that support him being a regista compared to them, then they aren't convincing....

Then you have clearly not been following my line of argument recently. Jorginho's role under tuchel has evolved a great deal. Not only does he try to dictate play via passing, his "defensive" stats are higher than they've ever been. Traditional defense metrics such as tackling, interceptions, recoveries are through the roof for him as we could see in the Euro's and champions league.

donjazet:
What do you think I opined?

"Apart from jorginho's passing, no other midfielder knows how to give accurate passing or has the foresight and vision to release defense splitting passes."

In other words, Jorginho is our only mid who knows how to give accurate passes or has foresight and vision to release defense splitting passes. That's not true now, is it? Kovacic especially would have something to say about that.

My point is: let's say Jorginho is the best passer of all our midfielders, it doesn't mean the rest don't know how to "give accurate passes" or lack "foresight and vision to release defense splitting passes". Na that statement be my wahala.

lordfalcao:
Jorginho 5 big chance created, kovacic 6 in the premier league

Jorginho 333 forward passes, kovacic 216 forward passes

Jorginho 1,421 touches , kovacic

Jorginho 6 through balls, kovacic 1,033

All in the premier, is there any huge significance between this stats, that made kova definitely better

Okay, remove the "definitely" there, since that seems to be the issue. Kova has still been better.

Don't forget he's played over 400 minutes less. More than nine halves worth of football.

BlueMann:
]"Apart from jorginho's passing, no other midfielder knows how to give accurate passing or has the foresight and vision to release defense splitting passes."

In other words, Jorginho is our only mid who knows how to give accurate passes or has foresight and vision to release defense splitting passes. That's not true now, is it? Kovacic especially would have something to say about that.

My point is: let's say Jorginho is the best passer of all our midfielders, it doesn't mean the rest don't know how to "give accurate passes" or lack "foresight and vision to release defense splitting passes". Na that statement be my wahala.

Once you agree with the bolded, the rest is semantics. They don't do it as often as he does.
But it's important to note that the role of chance creation does not fall primarily on jorginho. That is the role of the forward players. The central and attacking midfielders.

BlueMann:
Okay, remove the "definitely" there, since that seems to be the issue. Kova has still been better.

Don't forget he's played over 400 minutes less. More than nine halves worth of football.

and also one plays higher up while the other sits..

The stats are similar .

Elnino4ladies:
Lampard is back in premier league #Everton

Wish him the best of luck.

lordfalcao:
and also one plays higher up while the other sits..

The stats are similar .

Fair enough. But he has been better, no?

donjazet:
Once you agree with the bolded, the rest is semantics. They don't do it as often as he does.
But it's important to note that the role of chance creation does not fall primarily on jorginho. That is the role of the forward players. The central and attacking midfielders.

My issue is with your first statement I quoted, which I believe you phrased poorly. To say no other midfielder can give accurate passes or has the vision to release defense splitting passes is simply not true boss, whether or not Jorginho is our best passer. Shey u get?

PDPGuy:
This dude should be invited to the Super Eagles ASAP!
His close control and dribbling are insane
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=b0z2PoF9ej4&feature=emb_logo

This guy is very short, looks like Shaqiri or Insigne

donjazet:
Then you have clearly not been following my line of argument recently. Jorginho's role under tuchel has evolved a great deal. Not only does he try to dictate play via passing, his "defensive" stats are higher than they've ever been. Traditional defense metrics such as tackling, interceptions, recoveries are through the roof for him as we could see in the Euro's and champions league.

I'm lost now.... Initially, it was Jorginho creates a lot more than Kante and Kovacic which their EPL stats for last season disagree with...What has defense got to do with their offensive capabilities, and why do you keep on bringing up Fab? This is Jorginho vs Kante and Kova..

Elnino4ladies:
Lampard is back in premier league #Everton

His highlight as Chelsea manager.... Liverpool fans go use him eye see shege for that Everton wey him come so...

the end of his EPL managerial profile,dead on arrival....

Job wey top managers dey run leave,hunch back go put him bald head

“One title you've won and you’re fucking giving it the big 'un fuck off!"

Arguably Lampard’s best moment as Chelsea boss.

pic.twitter.com/CEJ5vEfPBX

— Jay Motty (@JayMotty) January 28, 2022

donjazet:
The excerpts from the bombshell athletic article;

https://theathletic.com/3090356/2022/01/26/tuchel-an-incredible-12-months-and-the-battle-to-avoid-a-chelsea-second-year-wobble/?source=twitteruk

One rotten egg is enough to make the whole house stink. Lukaku is behind all these unrest.

You heard it from me first not Fabrizio Romano.

PDPGuy:
This dude should be invited to the Super Eagles ASAP!
His close control and dribbling are insane
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=b0z2PoF9ej4&feature=emb_logo

I read he was to replace ighalo in this Nations cup but CAF rejected it
He style of play is like sterling if apari or mourinho handle this lad omo

Tuchel will look at Levi Colwill in the summer & likes Gallagher and Broja, BUT if Chelsea receive bids that are too good to turn down, then they could be SOLD.

[ @Nathan_Gissing via @CFCPys]

donjazet:
Once you agree with the bolded, the rest is semantics. They don't do it as often as he does.
But it's important to note that the role of chance creation does not fall primarily on jorginho. That is the role of the forward players. The central and attacking midfielders.

I've seen u talk about how we need a cam that can shot or create chance, i ve said same here ..if that can be solved i think the midfield conundrum we have been having for years will be eased. kova and kante role is almost similar in the current setup and they lack being decisive with the ball. i think that's one thing we lack in the team. most a times we have to work the ball from the defense before our wingers get involved and by then the opposition has almost regrouped were as a good Cam will spot them and put the ball into space for them to run unto that's one reason james and chillwell are integral to the team because of the extra numbers in the middle and the chances they create

Nigeria is scary.

A young man who is currently the talk of the town, who drove his car to meet his friends in the bar. He complained of being sick and he was taken to the hospital. Well, he died. The scary thing about this is no one think it's odd. They called it fate. It was in his destiny that he would die soon. Although I'm not related to him nor do I know him, but healthy people just don't die.
He was buried and that was the end. It's easy to die in Nigeria.

donjazet:
What do you think I opined? Of our own midfielders, jorginho is the best passer.
When I say better passes, I mean good weighted passes. Accurate long balls and through balls. And jorginho does this best.
Kovacic has indeed stepped up this season. I personally think he's our most improved player {although in limited appearances} but jorginho has consistently done this.

jorginho our best passer). na big joke be that,. jorginho is still useless why is tuchel now benching him regularly now seems tuchel has had enough of his nonsense. the man city epl and all our tottenham recent carabao and last spur's game he was be

raumdeuter:
Airmark please whats happening to Relapsti, Is he still relapsing from the 30days injury he had over 4yrs ago?

Abi his career don go the way of Wanyama Coquelin Krychokewack and those you hyped for us?

See another gem from the stables of airmark

What is Relapsti? Is it a name of a person animal, place or thing?

donjazet:
Once you agree with the bolded, the rest is semantics. They don't do it as often as he does.
But it's important to note that the role of chance creation does not fall primarily on jorginho. That is the role of the forward players. The central and attacking midfielders.

I used to criticize Kovacic for being a poor passed of the ball for all his dribbling skills but not anymore, he has improved his passing and is now a better with raking long balls and defense splitting passes...Even Kante produces jaw dropping passes albeit not on a regular basis...

If I was asked to rate Chelsea midfielders based on their passing abilities, I'd rate Kovacic higher than Jorginho with Kante not far off Jorginho in 3rd...

NB: My position is based on the eye test...

Lampard to Everton loading. Good for him.

donjazet:
What do you think I opined? Of our own midfielders, jorginho is the best passer.
When I say better passes, I mean good weighted passes. Accurate long balls and through balls. And jorginho does this best.
Kovacic has indeed stepped up this season. I personally think he's our most improved player {although in limited appearances} but jorginho has consistently done this.

jorginho our best passer). na big joke be that,. jorginho is still useless. why is tuchel now benching him regularly now seems tuchel has had enough of his nonsense. the man city epl and all our tottenham recent carabao and last spur's game he was benched and all those games we even played better and had more midfield control. he was not missed. tuchel is going all out to buy tchoumeni cus jorginho is useless. next season its steady bench for him. gallagher, gilmour are back next season too. look at lewis hall performance in our last facup match giving accurate forward passes from defence on his debut. look how lukaku and our forwards were well served with through passes to attack. our so called passing 4 should be embarrassed. cus hall made more accurate through passes on his debut than jorginho all season. nonsense 4.

......

I just want pulisc and jorg glue to the bench next season.