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raumdeuter:
Its not a new phenomenon, Its been going for a long time

That was why Chelsea was able to get Bayern captain Ballack for free when his market value was over 30M
That was why Arsenal was able to get Spurs Captain Campbell for free when the fair market value will be close to what Ferdinand went for
That was why Bayern was able to get Lewandoski for free when his market value will be close to what Juve paid Napoli for Higuain

Juve around 2018 to 19 arranged Can Rabiot Ramsey Khedira all for free

One or two free players in a squad of 22 will not make us throw away the most reliable metric which is expenditure.

AnfieldFan:
Simple...City did this, they are successful...
Chelsea did, they are successful...
(Coaches are included, getting quality coaches)
In essence, Money spent influences success gained..

If Newcastle spend big over the next 10 years, sooner or later, they will become competitors...

Spend more can be on transfer fees or on wages

popizaino:
I am saying it is not all that matters and it is not the most important factor. Things like getting the right manager and time is more or greater than that netspend.

Nobody said it was all that mattered...In fact, you were the person that said it wasn't a factor..
Throughout this debate, I've been the only one emphasizing time, not they guys debating on your side...

Ibime:
One or two free players in a squad of 22 will not make us throw away the most reliable metric which is expenditure.

When the free players are the potential big hitters and most expensive. The market price of 1 Mbappe plus 1 Pogba might be equal to 7 regular players (Casemiro, Mendy, Carvajal, Vasquez, Militao Valverde)

Madrid can have almost 500m worth of players for free which is material to any world class squad in Europe

Bayern for example got a Lewandowski for free, Market rate for Lewandoski would almost be equal to almost the entire Bayern first 11 of 2016

Astrid4:
Chelsea likely to have a verbal agreement with one out of the duo of dembele and raphina before 11pm(UK time)

This I have seen

We are not signing dembele this january. It's likely at season end.

raumdeuter:
Spend more can be on transfer fees or on wages

One doesn't discredit the other..
Clubs I mentioned have spent big on Player acquisitions while also spending big on wages...

AnfieldFan:
The irony in accusing me of lying when I'm right...City doesn't need to shell out incentives because the pay players well enough on base salaries already...
City's incentives to the best of my knowledge is tied to trophies ..

Liverpool's incentives are tied to player performances...(If Arnold assists in 4 consecutive matches, he gets (*) amount, if Allison saved 5 shots per match, he gets (*) amount, Bobby gets 20k for each 5 goals scored) etc...

Now you brought up salaries, I'm talking salaries but you've shifted to players City have moved on which has no bearing on this debate because Liverpool and every other club has also moved on players within that time period. Also, the players moved on most times didn't go for free which also factors into the NetSpend. Liverpool having a larger squad means higher number of people earning wages...

My friend who accused me of comprehension issues again. Those figures listed there are nonsensical. Grealish's base salary is nearer 250k - it was discussed on this thread when he was signed. DeBruyne earns 385K per week with incentives. The argument did not shift and nobody was focusing on moved players. City spent whatever figure you had on 477 players compared to other English big teams that spent comparable amounts on 369-417 players. So my point was, City bought more players with more money even when many of those players never featured (which means they did not play a role in City's success). In fact, City have spent less for more trophies than Liverpool if we divide the number of trophies won per money spent.

Android22

Details here Bro


This was when he signed a new contract back then...

If only Pep Guardiola had broken any bank before winning six in six I would have believe this netspend of a thing as a major factor.


For every Chelsea and PSG there is equally QPR, Malaga, Monaco who wanted to toll our path but failed woefully.

Assnal don't have sense. So they won't get anything for Aubameyag.

5yrs ago PSG paid 180M for a 18yr old Mbappe

23yr old Mbappe that has grown much more as a player, closer to his peak and a commercial success winning the world cup on the way can easily be priced for 300-350M

That is the price for 10 players worth 35M each
Paying market price for Mbappe can easily add 30-50% to the transfer fee of the entire squad. Mbappe alone be the difference between a club who spent 900M and a club who spent 550M.
Thats before adding Pogba and Alaba

AnfieldFan:
Android22

Details here Bro


This was when he signed a new contract back then...

Nobody is arguing that Liverpool's wages were not incentivized. Even Salah's proposed new contract, Auba's last contract at Arsenal, Alexis Sachez's at United were all incentivized. DeBruyne's nonetheless. That figure you have for him for e.g is a contract he signed in 2021 and Salah is asking Liverpool for 500K because Liverpool pays very good wages even if they spend less than City on transfers.

Android22:
My friend who accused me of comprehension issues again. Those figures listed there are nonsensical. Grealish's base salary is nearer 250k - it was discussed on this thread when he was signed. DeBruyne earns 385K per week with incentives. The argument did not shift and nobody was focusing on moved players. City spent whatever figure you had on 477 players compared to other English big teams that spent comparable amounts on 369-417 players. So my point was, City bought more players with more money even when many of those players never featured (which means they did not play a role in City's success). In fact, City have spent less for more trophies than Liverpool if we divide the number of trophies won per money spent.

What is D'Bruyne's base Salary...What is Virgil's ..
Sportrac is the go to site for player wages...I pulled my info from there..

City have a higher NetSpend than every other football team in the world... Nobody forced them to spend on players they wouldn't use...

WhoDeyHause:
Assnal don't have sense. So they won't get anything for Aubameyag.

They terminated his contract or else he would have been with them earning a lot while not playing.

Android22:
[b]Nobody is arguing that Liverpool's wages were not incentivized. [/b]Even Salah's proposed new contract, Auba's last contract at Arsenal, Alexis Sachez's at United were all incentivized. DeBruyne's nonetheless. That figure you have for him for e.g is a contract he signed in 2021 and Salah is asking Liverpool for 500K because Liverpool pays very good wages even if they spend less than City on transfers.

I'm saying it's more incentived than the top six teams in EPL, by a fair amount...
Salah isn't asking for 500k, those are rumours that have been debunked...

What did Auba do that was actually unforgivable, Xhaka has had issues with the club but still came back….be like arsenal board na the most cold hearted club….Imagine this Lukaku drama with Arsenal

AnfieldFan:
What is D'Bruyne's base Salary...What is Virgil's ..
Sportrac is the go to site for player wages...I pulled my info from there..

City have a higher NetSpend than every other football team in the world... Nobody forced them to spend on players they wouldn't use...

Between 250-320k a week before bonuses which pushes it to 385K. That means the base is 250K. Sportrac is not tier 1 for City - anyone who knows City should know this. Netspend means nothing, after all, trophies/money spent City is doing far better than Liverpool which means, they spend less to win more than Liverpool.

Android22:
They terminated his contract or else he would have been with them earning a lot while not playing.

Okay. They saved his wages. But they should have at least tried to get a loan fee from Barka before deciding on that. If they are daydreaming of signing haaland they should at least have some money to pay. Now he might go and shine there after going at nothing.

AnfieldFan:
I'm saying it's more incentived than the top six teams in EPL, by a fair amount...
Salah isn't asking for 500k, those are rumours that have been debunked...

No rumour has been debunked till the new contract is signed and announced. As for incentivized, how would we know? John Stones figure there is an improved contract that was recently signed. He earned far less in 2015-16.

WhoDeyHause:
Okay. They saved his wages. But they should have at least tried to get a loan fee from Barka before deciding on that. If they are daydreaming of signing haaland they should at least have some money to pay. Now he might go and shine there after going at nothing.

Barca now own the player 100% so no loan fee can be involved.

Kantebets:
I am talking about their EPL stats
Sterling had far better goal returns than Odoi and played a part in Liverpool title push with Suarez and Sturidge that year
With Odoi as starter Chelsea have never pushed for a title race

This is another reason not to bank on stat when comparing players. Stat is deceiving, it doesn’t tell it all about player’s ability.

Maximilan:
What did Auba do that was actually unforgivable, Xhaka has had issues with the club but still came back….be like arsenal board na the most cold hearted club….Imagine this Lukaku drama with Arsenal

Baba, no one hates our owner and board more than me but this is not on them! Heck, the entire board are in Compton praying for the Korenkes to win the SB….This is 100% on Arteta! The intern has horrendous man management skills. Does this mean support Auba’s behaviors? Absolutely not, but this has become predictable under Arteta.

Only one coach has had problems with Auba/ Ozil/ Saliba/ Guendouzi/ Torreira/ Niles/ Pepe while shielding favorites like Willian/ Xhaka/ Luiz. His stans argue, indiscipline will not be tolerated and I ask them to put their SCAM in the mirror and tell me what they see. They should tell me where Arsenal ranks in red card/ yellow cards since the intern joined! He runs the team like it’s a military camp. Everything is a world of 2 extremes.

The chickens will come home to roost pretty soon and I will be waiting for them by the corner with rocks to stone them. He met me at Arsenal and I will be here when he leaves. I know his stans will come for me as usual and limit my position to “you already have a bias against Arteta” and I will be waiting..I know they will continue to absolve him and if they have any courage to blame him, they will ensure they include an attaché to share the burden.

Android22:
Between 250-320k a week before bonuses which pushes it to 385K.

Let's say he earns 300k as base making him City's highest earner...What is Virgil's base?

Android22:
That means the base is 250K. Sportrac is not tier 1 for City - anyone who knows City should know this.

People generally use Sportrac as source..Even big websites do...If we trust them for Football ,NBA and the likes...Why shouldn't we trust them for City? You can also provide alternatives as strongly regarded as them..

Android22:
Netspend means nothing, after all, trophies/money spent City is doing far better than Liverpool which means, they spend less to win more than Liverpool.

From what year do the comparisons come into effect?
City have a much higher NetSpend than Liverpool over the last few years...

Android22:
No rumour has been debunked till the new contract is signed and announced. As for incentivized, how would we know? John Stones figure there is an improved contract that was recently signed. He earned far less in 2015-16.

Okay, If Salah signs, I will watch out to see if he earns 500k base per week...
Till then..

Roland17:
The chickens will come home to roost pretty soon and I will be waiting for them by the corner with rocks to stone them. He met me at Arsenal and I will be here when he leaves. I know his stans will come for me as usual and limit my position to “you already have a bias against Arteta” and I will be waiting..

Arteta you dey hear this "ordinary fan" dey make mouth, Abeg trade am to Norwich City quick quick

AnfieldFan:
Let's say he earns 300k as base making him City's highest earner...What is Virgil's base?

He is City's highest earner and he recently signed that deal. When VVD or Salah sign a new deal we can compare.

From what year do the comparisons come into effect?
City have a much higher NetSpend than Liverpool over the last few years...

From even when Sheikh bought City till date. If you like, we can focus on from when Klopp was hired it is the same because Liverpool have not really won much compared to City.

AnfieldFan:
Okay, If Salah signs, I will watch out to see if he earns 500k base per week...
Till then..

Till then.

raumdeuter:
Arteta you dey hear this "ordinary fan" dey make mouth, Abeg trade am to Norwich City quick quick

Thank God say you no say Spuds.

Raphinha don sign?

Android22:
He is City's highest earner and he recently signed that deal. When VVD or Salah sign a new deal we can compare.
From even when Sheikh bought City till date. If you like, we can focus on from when Klopp was hired it is the same because Liverpool have not really won much compared to City.

Virgil signed a new deal ahead of this season...oya do the comparison Oga

CAPdan21:
Virgil signed a new deal ahead of this season...oya do the comparison Oga

He signed his deal when he was returning from a long term injury. He did not hold all the advantages to negotiate. If he gets back to who he used to be and asks for an improved contract, we can talk. Till then, Salah's will tell a better story.

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