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-the whole conflict stemmed from the fact that Ukraine is growing closer and closer to the west with a possibility of joining NATO in the future,as a former Soviet nation with extremely deep ties to Russia, Russia cannot allow this because they fear it will be easier for the west to attack Russia through Ukraine,so they are asking for security guarantees
-russia has amassed over 130k soldiers with millitary fleets that includes tanks, artillery, planes, ships in the Baltic sea etc.


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If this war starts. As Ukrainian president wants. He will flee his country. Ụ cannot be neighbors with Russia and want to be allied to USA. It's sucide. With how the Ukrainian president talked to biden instead of Putin to diffuse and Descalate tension, this war will likely happen.. and Russia will attack Kiev directly.

Ishitinyourlife:
If you're an avid students of life and understand politics and international relations, come in and State your opinion, however don't come here and post unverified new.
Here is the latest

-the whole conflict stemmed from the fact that Ukraine is growing closer and closer to the west with a possibility of joining NATO in the future,as a former Soviet nation with extremely deep ties to Russia, Russia cannot allow this because they fear it will be easier for the west to attack Russia through Ukraine,so they are asking for security guarantees
-russia has amassed over 130k soldiers with millitary fleets that includes tanks, artillery, planes, ships in the Baltic sea etc.


If you have any questions or you're curious about anything in regards to This situation feel free to ASK

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Attacking Ukraine, does it mean
1. Stopping them to join NATO?
2. Removing the government in power to put another government; say, the opposition?
3. Annexing Ukraine?
4. Occupying Ukraine?

Thanks

DrSam4:


Thanks

Attacking Ukraine, does it mean
1. Stopping them to join NATO?
2. Removing the government in power to put another government; say, the opposition?
3. Annexing Ukraine?
4. Occupying Ukraine?

Thanks

I think it's all about full invasion and occupation just like they did in Crimea, but the citizens will resist it and the whole situation is likely to end in guerilla warfare and even Russian federation is not safe cos embittered Ukrainians might resort to suicide bombing inside Russia.

Wtf

What would Ukraine gain from joining NATO and provoking Russia, it just doesn't make sense anymore. Ukrainian leadership should think about their people's security first.
Russia is not backing down on this and most NATO allies knows and even the US know they won't be of much help if Russia invades Ukraine.

On the other hand Russian invasion will not profit Russia or Ukraine like Sun Tzu said 'war is an instrument of ill omen' nothing good comes out of war unless unless you're selling arms to those fighting (not being involved) which will be US gain.

France and Germany doesn't want this war, the Baltic nations don't want it too, even Russia and Russian neighbors. Currently Europe is holding its breath.

Ukrainian leadership should employ wisdom

Ishitinyourlife:
If you're an avid students of life and understand politics and international relations, come in and State your opinion, however don't come here and post unverified new.
Here is the latest

-the whole conflict stemmed from the fact that Ukraine is growing closer and closer to the west with a possibility of joining NATO in the future,as a former Soviet nation with extremely deep ties to Russia, Russia cannot allow this because they fear it will be easier for the west to attack Russia through Ukraine,so they are asking for security guarantees
-russia has amassed over 130k soldiers with millitary fleets that includes tanks, artillery, planes, ships in the Baltic sea etc.


If you have any questions or you're curious about anything in regards to This situation feel free to ASK

why Russia was helping the Donesky to leave ukraine?

Russia is just being a bully, why attack a sovereign state base on its choice of association, what happens to diplomacy and negotiation. joining NATO doesnt mean they have agenda to attack Russia. It may be for economic gain of Ukraine. Why force someone to be your friend. Putin is a bully

And how does the statement in bold letters guarantee Russian security.
Russia will never tolerate NATO close to its borders just the same way US will never permit USSR in Cuba

Read the Cuba missile crises and educate yourself

OmegaAutos:
Russia is just being a bully, why attack a sovereign state base on its choice of association, what happens to diplomacy and negotiation.joining NATO doesnt mean they have agenda to attack Russia. It may be for economic gain of Ukraine. Why force someone to be your friend. Putin is a bully

RisenJoe:


I think it's all about full invasion and occupation just like they did in Crimea, but the citizens will resist it and the whole situation is likely to end in guerilla warfare and even Russian federation is not safe cos embittered Ukrainians might resort to suicide bombing inside Russia.

Wtf

Russia simply reunified the Crimeans back into Russian territory. Now listen to this history very well and understand how the Crimean peninsula is tied to Russia.

The last time Russia lost a war in the Crimean Penisular was when the United FRONT(what you could call NATO then), I.e the combination of Turkey(Ottoman Empire), Napoleon France, and anglo saxon Britain formed a coalition and they attacked the Crimean peninsula and that war was lost by Russia. See what then took place after the war.

The Bolsheviks (Zionist entity) then used Russia's losing Crimean peninsular as a pretext to launch a regime change, then they called it the Bolshevik revolution.

This is the same thing the anglozionist empire did in Ukraine in 2014. They later turned Russia into USSR and they started invading and adding more soviet administrative states. (That is a zionist ideology but not necessarily Russian). It was during the same USSR, the Crimean peninsula was illegally transferred to Ukraine soviet. So what you have today, is Russia back into the good old days before it lost a war with the united front. In reality, Russia has won three times against in United front. So try to understand the moves Russia is taking before you judge Russia. They know the threat NATO poses. If the U.S and the zionist crooks did not do a regime change in Ukraine in 2014. Crimea would 100% still belong to Ukraine.

Fast forward to what happened in 2014. The reunification of Crimean Penisular to her parent country Russia. Now Russia is playing the buffer zone game which is making sure today's united FRONT(NATO) does not pose any threat to the Russian Territory.

How can you occupy what is yours? The western propaganda media never make mention of the Russian fleet in Crimean ever since the peninsular was won back from the era it lost to the United front then(Ottoman Turkey, Napoleonic France, and Anglo Saxon empire) Since that era that I told you, the Russian fleet has been present in Crimean Penisular.

Svlla:
What would Ukraine gain from joining NATO and provoking Russia, it just doesn't make sense anymore. Ukrainian leadership should think about their people's security first.
Russia is not backing down on this and most NATO allies knows and even the US know they won't be of much help if Russia invades Ukraine.

On the other hand Russian invasion will not profit Russia or Ukraine like Sun Tzu said 'war is an instrument of ill omen' nothing good comes out of war unless unless you're selling arms to those fighting (not being involved) which will be US gain.

France and Germany doesn't want this war, the Baltic nations don't want it too, even Russia and Russian neighbors. Currently Europe is holding its breath.

Ukrainian leadership should employ wisdom

The war is majorly needed by the U.S.A which is thousand of kilometres away causing trouble for Europeans. This is the Economics of it. There is an old pipeline Russia uses to supply gas via Ukraine to Europe. Germany has decided to boycott that pipeline by building a new one called NORD 2 stream. This will increase gas supply into Europe by about 15% more. Russia is already supplying over a 17billion cubic meters into Europe.

The Vested Interest here is Ukraine will lose the transit fees it gets every year by the time Nord 2 stream is operational. The U.S.A sells gas at a high price cos of its Shale gas not being viable and even supplying to Asia where the price is higher. Squeezing supply into Europe or to Germany will keep the gas price high to meet U.S standards.

So you can understand how the U.S and Ukraine's interest is to make sure gas supply to Europe does not increase one inch via NORD 2 stream. This is what you explained right there, Germany does not want any war, even Europe but the main trouble maker, the de facto leader of the anglozionist empire, the U.S.A.

To me, Ukraine is just being used and they are stupid. You are shouting you hate Russia, then you are still scared or want by forcing Russia to continue using your dilapidated gas pipeline that Ukraine does not maintain. Russia says they cannot pump more pressure to deliver gas via the Ukraine pipeline cos of Ukraine not maintaining it. yet, Ukraine shares a vested interest with the U.S.A. Which is doing everything it can to make sure Germany(U.S competitor) is suppressed. Yes, Ukraine should employ wisdom. The only one I see is Ukraine restoring its relations with Russia. Over the dead body of U.S.A that will ever happen. The puppet in Kiev will be changed the following day if he even ever tries to talk to Russia without the go ahead of the empire.

dnawah:
why Russia was helping the Donesky to leave ukraine?

If you read everything I have written above. You will understand why Russia is making any move it makes. Russia is attending to the Donbas which also kinda has a very good history with Russia but is not as tied as Crimean. Russia is doing the same thing it did with Georgia in 2008 with the Donbas. When NATO tried the nonsense they are doing in Ukraine now with a smaller country Georgia in 2008. Russia played the Georgian Card.

Try to understand why by reading my first answer above and understand where Russia is coming from.

What is the Georgian Card?

To join NATO, that country must not have any territorial infighting. Meaning the whole country must be a whole unit. The moment South Ossetia and Abkhazia decided to be on their own, NATO understood that and when Russian peacekeepers were sent into that territory, Mikheil Saakashvili(The westernmost favorite puppet) started bombing Russian peacekeepers. This led to a war that ended within 3days.

So Russia is playing the same Georgian Card in Ukraine. Now openly publicly declaring that NATO should sign an agreement that will be internationally binding that they will not move further Ukraine and Georgia redlines. Russia knows 100% U.S cannot afford to do that because her Interest is not even that. So you see the Donbas card Russia is playing.

OmegaAutos:
[s]Russia is just being a bully, why attack a sovereign state base on its choice of association, what happens to diplomacy and negotiation. joining NATO doesnt mean they have agenda to attack Russia. It may be for economic gain of Ukraine. Why force someone to be your friend. Putin is a bully[/s]

You do not know the meaning of the word Bully. Bully are those who come to your territory using all kinds of war to get what they want. They have done it severally with all the USSR soviet states they lost. They have managed to re-convert all the previous Zionist entity states in USSR. Now forming NATO. And a country Russia says, enough is enough. Who is the bully here?
Go to the Black sea. All of the countries there are already dragged(just the same way they have bullied Ukraine and trying to drag them into the same NATO). Only Ukraine is not in NATO. Here you will also understand why Russia had to reunify the Crimean peninsular via a democratically elected vote. Is this what you call Bully?

When Britain that is over 10,000km did a referendum in Falkland Islands that is just a few Km from Argentina. The people of the Island voted to be under British. That was okay. But when Crimeans did the same Referendum which they had 100% rights to after the fall of the USSR. Then you called that Russian invasion?

Please get some brain. We are not kids.

OmegaAutos:
Russia is just being a bully, why attack a sovereign state base on its choice of association, what happens to diplomacy and negotiation. joining NATO doesnt mean they have agenda to attack Russia. It may be for economic gain of Ukraine. Why force someone to be your friend. Putin is a bully

there is nothing economical for Ukraine to gain by joining NATO. NATO is a military alliance which is an opposition to Russia, don't forget the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and the friend of my enemy is my enemy".

DrSam4:


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Attacking Ukraine, does it mean
1. Stopping them to join NATO?
2. Removing the government in power to put another government; say, the opposition?
3. Annexing Ukraine?
4. Occupying Ukraine?

Thanks

Russia already occupied CRIMEA Which was part of Ukraine in 2014.
Yes Russia is stopping them from joining Ukraine because of the proximity,if Ukraine joins NATO ,NATO would be able to station some of it's weapons which includes USA's arsenal in Ukraine (Russian border) that would make an attack on Russia easier for NATO.

RisenJoe:


I think it's all about full invasion and occupation just like they did in Crimea, but the citizens will resist it and the whole situation is likely to end in guerilla warfare and even Russian federation is not safe cos embittered Ukrainians might resort to suicide bombing inside Russia.

Wtf

it doesn't matter if the citizens resist or not the millitary capacity of Russia is just too superior and they will take the country like they did crimea,but Russia is not really looking at a full invasion, it's just trying to flex it's muscles so the west and Ukraine knows what is in stock for them if Thier demands are completely ignored.
The far more realistic approach for Russia will be to install a pro Russia candidate as Ukraine's president

OmegaAutos:
Russia is just being a bully, why attack a sovereign state base on its choice of association, what happens to diplomacy and negotiation. joining NATO doesnt mean they have agenda to attack Russia. It may be for economic gain of Ukraine. Why force someone to be your friend. Putin is a bully

Go and read about the Cuba crisis, USA did the same thing when Russia packed some of it's missiles into Cuba.
You think USA will care if mexico is a sovereign state if Russia starts stationing it's weapons in Chihuahua or juarez

Svlla:
And how does the statement in bold letters guarantee Russian security.
Russia will never tolerate NATO close to its borders just the same way US will never permit USSR in Cuba

Read the Cuba missile crises and educate yourself

Thank you for pointing out the obvious to him, Most of them don't really know much about history and international relations,we can't blame them, I'm sure USA wouldn't care less if Canada or Mexico is a sovereign state if Russia starts packing missiles into the country

OmegaAutos:
Russia is just being a bully, why attack a sovereign state base on its choice of association, what happens to diplomacy and negotiation. joining NATO doesnt mean they have agenda to attack Russia. It may be for economic gain of Ukraine. Why force someone to be your friend. Putin is a bully

The Same reasons United States won't like Canada, Mexico, and Cuba from forming alliance with China or Russia. Security

OmegaAutos:
Russia is just being a bully, why attack a sovereign state base on its choice of association, what happens to diplomacy and negotiation. joining NATO doesnt mean they have agenda to attack Russia. It may be for economic gain of Ukraine. Why force someone to be your friend. Putin is a bully

NATO has never been an economic organisation rather a military organisation formed to curb the perceived excesses of Russians. Let's be factual and analytical without sentiment please.

A friend to my enemy is my enemy -48 laws of power. NATO is an enemy to Russia, for Ukraine to fraternise with them automatically declared themselves enemy to Russia.

Please read up the politicking and threats of USA, towards Cuba and Mexico as regards being allies with Russia.

If Ukraine wants to claim democratic and sovereign, then they should allow Donbass Russians to democratically decide whether to join the Russian Federation or stay back in Ukraine.

Can you see the double standards in all these? The only people that stands to gain in all this, is the USA; that is why they are pushing for this war in every way possible. They will sell equipments and same time, if Uncle Sam have his ways and Ukraine joins NATO; it will be knock knock Russia we are here o, we saw the number of chemicals you added to your nuclear reactor, we are understudying you. Which world power will want that? Not even North Korea!

USA wants to boost their economy and stay in world politics with all these skirmish. Put in as a good strategist knowns the game too.

Let's watch. Russia will invade when no one thinks of it and make USA look stupid.