I rather support the West than Russian for the following reasons.
1. The West promotes democracy and encourages open society Russian prefers dictators and autocrats.
2. The West support humanitarian and international development while Russia support conflicts only, eg. Syria, Mali, CAR, etc
I know some of those hating the West here work with western NGO,s or have friend and relatives who do so, collect their salaries in hard currencies, Ibdo not know any Russian foreing NGO. Kindly tell us one.
3. The West will allow media and religious freedom, Russia bans or persecute religious minorities, the media and evn their own NGOs.

4. The West will counter your political views with greater argument or reasoning while Russia will either jail you, expel and evn send men to the person in exile to poison and eliminate him.
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neuf:
The truth is that this war has nothing to do with Ukraine, NATO or Russian national security. This war was designed and perfected by China and Russia to dethrone the US Dollar and put an end to the dollar hegemony. Bear with me let me explain a little.


I believe China and Russia finally figured it out that as long as the dollar remains the top currency, the US will always have the advantage. They can outrightly declare war on America, because then the world will be at war and anything other than China or Russian victory and US surrender, the status quo will be maintained.

Why do I reason this way?

Well in 2008, Ukraine and Georgia submitted a membership request to join NATO. At Romania NATO convention, members vote to denied their request. This is a step further than what Putin used as an excuse to start this senseless war. In 2022, Ukraine never submitted the request, only making it a law that Ukraine must join NATO and EU. There was no guarantee that their requested will be granted just like it was in 2008 given the Donbass and Crimea crisis but yet Putin decided to go to war.

I know must be thinking Russia wasn't strong enough as at 2008, that's why. You'd be wrong because so far, all their gadgets used in this war are equipments they had in 2008. None of their new tech have made an appearance in the war.

Also, the behaviour of China is giving the US vibes in WW2, sit on the fence and then swoop in to save the day and change the narrative.
I believe Russia thought that invading Ukraine will bring in the US into the war which might go nuclear in the worse case scenario. In that case, too much external pressure will cause the dollar to tumble, people will sell off dollars to purchase the Yuan, steadily making China the New superpower. They will in turn rebuild the Soviet Union alongside Russia.

think for a sec before you shout western propaganda, why is every one "the propagandists" blaming the US for absolutely nothing in particular.
- There is no evidence that the US cause the coup in Ukraine,
- there's no evidence that the US install Ukraine former president (this is for those of you that think Zelensky was the president back in 2014).
- The US specifically said they won't put boots on ground or come into direct confrontation with Russia over Ukraine even before the war started.
- The US promise to provide Ukraine with aids to defend itself which they have done.
- They promised sanctions on Russia which they have done.

Yet despite all these, all you see is how the US pushed Ukraine and then abandoned it. How the US is at fault. Even China that when it mattered choose to sit on the fence is blaming the US for absolutely nothing. Russia at every turn wants to bring the US into it.

why is that

You didnt explain how the dollar hegemony would be overthrown by this war. I'm really interested in that because a significant part of the 650 bn dollars slush funds set aside by Russia to prop of the ruble against envisaged sanction while planning for this war was in dollars. Russia also have significant wealth funds held in dollars and receive dollars for its oil and gas.

64. sylvajoe(m): Quote Post
I rather support the West than Russian for the following reasons.
1. The West promotes democracy and encourages open society Russian prefers dictators and autocrats.
2. The West support humanitarian and international development while Russia support conflicts only, eg. Syria, Mali, CAR, etc
I know some of those hating the West here work with western NGO,s or have friend and relatives who do so, collect their salaries in hard currencies, Ibdo not know any Russian foreing NGO. Kindly tell us one.
3. The West will allow media and religious freedom, Russia bans or persecute religious minorities, the media and evn their own NGOs.

4. The West will counter your political views with greater argument or reasoning while Russia will either jail you, expel and evn send men to the

seunny4lif:

Horror?
Racism is everywhere but in Africa we called it Tribalism
I have lived or been to over 5 Europeans countries and the so called UK and Ireland are the first place I experienced racism but I wouldn’t use that to judge UK or Ireland.

Hello Seunny, I fully understand what you are saying but here is the difference. In UK and Ireland, what you experienced is racism with individuals, people who spoke to you in a different way or acted wrong because of your skin color. That is wrong no matter how you slice it. What I am talking about in Russia is the threat of physical violence just for being black in some places. Most of the people arguing with me here have only been to st Petersburg or Moscow. When you venture outside those areas as a black man, then you will understand.

Winters23:
This list of propaganda are all Western lies...

We can now see who the liars are...

it might be your turn next and the world will keep quiet since usa has done it before

RubiesBanking:
All the Russian courses I'm offering Coursera is cancelling them just to fulfill all righteousness. This is just sad

That Discrete Mathematics is a great course! Good entry point into theoretical computing. Check MIT OCW. They have some free materials on it

venabili:


You made assumptions too. You could have seen a lot of the world, but there is no objective way for you to know you have seen more than him. Except you have covered every inch of the planet. And then it could still be a draw. You never know if he has either.

I agree with you.
That was my bad. Assumption is the mother of all Bleep ups. I shouldn't have assumed.
I am big enough to accept my mistakes.

cooltola:
So you expect USA to send troops to Ukraine, when everyone is trying avoid a nuclear war? NATO cannot enforce a no fly zone because Putin has threatened to use nuclear weapon- I do not why some people cannot understand how dangerous nuke weapons are and why NATO is using caution with Putin.

Japan and Russia were cohorts in the war where US bombed Japan twice, with nuclear bombs. They didn't try that on Russia and two other things to note, first, then Japan was retreating, secondly Japan contemplated using bioweapons against US but didn't as they felt it was way too far.

Plus, most seem to forget that countries are very prone to wars, major wars. Given that it hasn't happened in recent times doesn't meant it something to be forgotten easily. The extent war causes damage to a country and how strategically footed soldiers are placed matters a lot. If Ukraine has a NATO base, which is sure to include battalions and maybe nuclear warheads, if any war breaks out, Russia would be out of the picture easily.

Techsupport:


No worries. This will not turn into a dick measuring contest but hey you win that one. You have seen way more places.
I hope you live in Russia. I will love to run into you one day.

The person you are arguing is not familiar with Russia which is why he is so passionately pro-Russia.

It’s like you don’t understand me
My guy was beaten in Dublin for been black
Go to Ballymum and Fingas
They will paint your house with paint saying go back to Africa you Nigga
Get beating

Techsupport:

Hello Seunny, I fully understand what you are saying but here is the difference. In UK and Ireland, what you experienced is racism with individuals, people who spoke to you in a different way or acted wrong because of your skin color. That is wrong no matter how you slice it. What I am talking about in Russia is the threat of physical violence just for being black in some places. Most of the people arguing with me here have only been to st Petersburg or Moscow. When you venture outside those areas as a black man, then you will understand.

When I see Western media reporting 9000 Russia soldiers death I just laugh

sylvajoe:
64. sylvajoe(m): Quote Post
I rather support the West than Russian for the following reasons.
1. The West promotes democracy and encourages open society Russian prefers dictators and autocrats.
2. The West support humanitarian and international development while Russia support conflicts only, eg. Syria, Mali, CAR, etc
I know some of those hating the West here work with western NGO,s or have friend and relatives who do so, collect their salaries in hard currencies, Ibdo not know any Russian foreing NGO. Kindly tell us one.
3. The West will allow media and religious freedom, Russia bans or persecute religious minorities, the media and evn their own NGOs.

4. The West will counter your political views with greater argument or reasoning while Russia will either jail you, expel and evn send men to the

Your number three though. This war has changed that. The west is taking Russian media offline whether radio, TV or social media. They are denying us the opportunity to hear from the other side. They simply tell us that the Russians are spreading disinformation and we should not listen. Thats press censorship.
Secondly, the West has ensured that you must speak against the Russian invasion if you want to do business in and with the west. No differing opinion is allowed. You must also cut economic ties. Whether you think the war is evil or not is irrelevant. The only political correct thing to say is to call Putin names. Your freedom of expression is out of the window.

Thirdly, people's asset are been seized simply because they are Russians. Animals are banned and contract terminated simply because they are from Russia. It does not matter that no court of law has granted leave for the assets to be seized or contract terminated. Especially since these people commited no other crimes than holding Russian nationality. I am not referring to the oligarchs. I am talking about sportmen and women whose life are been impacted simply because they are Russians. Thats discrimination and racism.

Deffjam:
lol it is obvious you don't have sense.......are you not slave to APC??

Fvck APC, Fvck PDP and fvck you

seunny4lif:
It’s like you don’t understand me
My guy was beaten in Dublin for been black
Go to Ballymum and Fingas
They will paint your house with paint saying go back to Africa you Nigga
Get beating

Well that was extreme. I get what you mean. I hope your buddy is alright. I really don't play in western Europe, my AO was in the middle east, eastern Europe. But that was then.

It is just a pity Zelensky had to be played to game on, when he actually know his country would be the battle ground.

Americans Nato counterparts have prevailed on media sentiments of the public with CNN and the likes.

Techsupport:

I agree with you.
That was my bad. Assumption is the mother of all Bleep ups. I shouldn't have assumed.
I am big enough to accept my mistakes.

salute ... i love people that accepts they made mistake when they make one

I said it!.

seunny4lif:
It’s like you don’t understand me
My guy was beaten in Dublin for been black
Go to Ballymum and Fingas
They will paint your house with paint saying go back to Africa you Nigga
Get beating

It's like saying there is corruption in Nigeria and there is same in the UK so there is no difference. You can experience corruption in the UK but the overall levels are lower than Nigeria.

There is racism in Ireland and the UK but it's false to claim it's same level as being non-white in Russia. Ireland even had a non-white PM and for all the pro-Russia noisemaking, I don't see us lining up to go work and live in Russia

I think this article encapsulates it:

She said she does not want to have children in Russia because she does not want them to face bullying and harassment.

“I don’t feel that safe here. I’m looking into emigration to Western Europe and I feel like I will eventually have to do this because I want to feel comfortable in the country where I live […] and be able to raise children in safety,” Tunkara said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2020/6/26/does-russia-need-a-black-lives-matter-movement

QueTeddy:


Japan and Russia were cohorts in the war where US bombed Japan twice, with nuclear bombs. They didn't try that on Russia and two other things to note, first, then Japan was retreating, secondly Japan contemplated using bioweapons against US but didn't as they felt it was way too far.

Plus, most seem to forget that countries are very prone to wars, major wars. Given that it hasn't happened in recent times doesn't meant it something to be forgotten easily. The extent war causes damage to a country and how strategically footed soldiers are placed matters a lot. If Ukraine has a NATO base, which is sure to include battalions and maybe nuclear warheads, if any war breaks out, Russia would be out of the picture easily.

Cohorts ke? Japan and Russia? Which history book are you reading from? Japan was on the side of Germany while US and Russia were cohorts. In fact, the lend lease Act of America allowed Russia to get enough war materiel to prosecute the war. And Russia was informed of the new weapon before its use. Stalin already knew through espionage though . You can check wikipedia

Your head definitely not on your neck.
You really don’t know what you are talking about.
As at 2014 Victoria Nuland(the cookie chef)boasted that America has spent over $4b in Ukraine.
For what?
This is one of the reasons many top Ukronazis politicians are scrambling to get their own cut by supporting the west evil plan even to the detriment of good Ukrainian citizens.

neuf:
The truth is that this war has nothing to do with Ukraine, NATO or Russian national security. This war was designed and perfected by China and Russia to dethrone the US Dollar and put an end to the dollar hegemony. Bear with me let me explain a little.


I believe China and Russia finally figured it out that as long as the dollar remains the top currency, the US will always have the advantage. They can outrightly declare war on America, because then the world will be at war and anything other than China or Russian victory and US surrender, the status quo will be maintained.

Why do I reason this way?

Well in 2008, Ukraine and Georgia submitted a membership request to join NATO. At Romania NATO convention, members vote to denied their request. This is a step further than what Putin used as an excuse to start this senseless war. In 2022, Ukraine never submitted the request, only making it a law that Ukraine must join NATO and EU. There was no guarantee that their requested will be granted just like it was in 2008 given the Donbass and Crimea crisis but yet Putin decided to go to war.

I know must be thinking Russia wasn't strong enough as at 2008, that's why. You'd be wrong because so far, all their gadgets used in this war are equipments they had in 2008. None of their new tech have made an appearance in the war.

Also, the behaviour of China is giving the US vibes in WW2, sit on the fence and then swoop in to save the day and change the narrative.
I believe Russia thought that invading Ukraine will bring in the US into the war which might go nuclear in the worse case scenario. In that case, too much external pressure will cause the dollar to tumble, people will sell off dollars to purchase the Yuan, steadily making China the New superpower. They will in turn rebuild the Soviet Union alongside Russia.

think for a sec before you shout western propaganda, why is every one "the propagandists" blaming the US for absolutely nothing in particular.
- There is no evidence that the US cause the coup in Ukraine,
- there's no evidence that the US install Ukraine former president (this is for those of you that think Zelensky was the president back in 2014).
- The US specifically said they won't put boots on ground or come into direct confrontation with Russia over Ukraine even before the war started.
- The US promise to provide Ukraine with aids to defend itself which they have done.
- They promised sanctions on Russia which they have done.

Yet despite all these, all you see is how the US pushed Ukraine and then abandoned it. How the US is at fault. Even China that when it mattered choose to sit on the fence is blaming the US for absolutely nothing. Russia at every turn wants to bring the US into it.

why is that

QueTeddy:


Japan and Russia were cohorts in the war where US bombed Japan twice, with nuclear bombs. They didn't try that on Russia and two other things to note, first, then Japan was retreating, secondly Japan contemplated using bioweapons against US but didn't as they felt it was way too far.

Plus, most seem to forget that countries are very prone to wars, major wars. Given that it hasn't happened in recent times doesn't meant it something to be forgotten easily. The extent war causes damage to a country and how strategically footed soldiers are placed matters a lot. If Ukraine has a NATO base, which is sure to include battalions and maybe nuclear warheads, if any war breaks out, Russia would be out of the picture easily.

smiles... thing is have been quite here on this matter .... many of us are only saying based on how we understand this thing happening... only those at the helms of affair really knows whats happening ...... these guys are surrounded by many smart people.... from my lil understanding so far... its survival... you cant tell a lion not to eat in the jungle even if its a pregnant prey... it just have to survive

QueTeddy:


Japan and Russia were cohorts in the war where US bombed Japan twice, with nuclear bombs. They didn't try that on Russia and two other things to note, first, then Japan was retreating, secondly Japan contemplated using bioweapons against US but didn't as they felt it was way too far.

Russia and United States have thousand of nuclear weapons at their disposal, NATO have hundreds . Many people expect US to send troops to fight Russia troops one on one, Ukraine expect NATO to enforce a no fly zone where there will be air warfare. If this happens , Russia might use nuclear weapons and America and NATO might respond with their own nuclear weapon, no one wants that. The soviet union collapsed due to a poor economy , so it can happen again. The only choice is economic sanctions or if China can play a mediator between the Ukraine and Russia

mixta140:

salute ... i love people that accepts they made mistake when they make one

Ain't nothing to it. First thing they taught me in boot that I was always wrong. no matter how right I got it. So if I turn out to be wrong, accepting it is just natural.

Shout out to you

@ dre11, there was also one where there was a train purported to be transporting a train load of armored vehicles to Ukraine.

Turns out the video was about 5 years old. Lol.

Rahkman:
Useless russian apologist

u dey see Dem, see as Dem floood the thread

Rahkman:
Useless russian apologist

u dey see Dem, see as Dem floood the thread

Rahkman:
Useless russian apologist

u dey see Dem, see as Dem floood the thread

Techsupport:

I agree with you.
That was my bad. Assumption is the mother of all Bleep ups. I shouldn't have assumed.
I am big enough to accept my mistakes.

You have my Respect. Not many people here are big enough to accept their mistakes.

Techsupport:

Well that was extreme. I get what you mean. I hope your buddy is alright. I really don't play in western Europe, my AO was in the middle east, eastern Europe. But that was then.

Well, he sued the government and got paid around €10K.
They almost blind his one of his eye, funny thing was they don’t even rob him

Techsupport:


Ain't nothing to it. First thing they taught me in boot that I was always wrong. no matter how right I got it. So if I turn out to be wrong, accepting it is just natural.

Shout out to you

one love...

You think having 10 black person in the government means the racism is not massive.
South Africa are ruled by black people but those does it change that same black People are been oppressed in their own land by white and South Africans is same level like in Germany
I bet you have never been to South Africa before or meets South Africans

4Play:


It's like saying there is corruption in Nigeria and there is same in the UK so there is no difference. You can experience corruption in the UK but the overall levels are lower than Nigeria.

There is racism in Ireland and the UK but it's false to claim it's same level as being non-white in Russia. Ireland even had a non-white PM and for all the pro-Russia noisemaking, I don't see us lining up to go work and live in Russia

I think this article encapsulates it:




https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2020/6/26/does-russia-need-a-black-lives-matter-movement

kingphilip:
Propaganda cannot always be ruled out as long as media and government is concerned.

It is left for those who can verify to verify and hope that it doesn't cause any danger or disaster before the truth surfaces.

I hope the Russia and Ukraine face off will come to an end soon though.

I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as free press.