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Demilitarization of Ukraine ke. Na d exact opposite. What this has taught Ukraine and Europe is total self defence. Ukraine will rebuild it's armed forces and the heart in this war will be a major driver that sustains it.

Putin has instigated the western world into another arms race. They will outspend, putdevelop, outinnovate Russia in this.

Putin has also given d west an opportunity for economic stranglehold on Russia. They are not going to let go anytime soon.

What was Putin thinking

SUPERPACK:
What was the first objective of the Invasion; Demilitarization of Ukraine military and their equipments. Have this been achieved? To a large extent.

Next round is to have a negotiation and end the war that has left both countries with bloody nose.

No victor, no Vanquish.

mach7:
If from my post, you are unable to deduce this then I can't help you. The Nazis are majorly in Mariupol and they are being decimated with over 80% of the city liberated including all the administrative buildings. As for demilitarisation, the results are obvious if you are following the events independently.

Now, if you don't understand the difference between Strategic objectives as espoused by the president and operational objectives which are achieved day to day by the military, then sorry to you.

Modified: He never declared WAR. Don't spread falsehood.

Let’s go it gently with decorum for clarity.

Putin in his speech used the word “invasion”. When you invade (in this case another sovereign country), use military weapons, use military aircrafts, use armored tanks, use chemical weapons, threaten with thermonuclear, threaten other nations who interfere, destroy military equipments, communities and properties, shoot to kill and get shot at, does it remain an invasion in its true sense? Where is the falsehood when the Russians have lost so much on their side, just like the country “invaded”?


Please note that what has come to be termed as the Russo-Ukrainian War, which presently rages between Russia (together with pro-Russian separatist forces) against Ukraine began in February 2014, following the Ukrainian Revolution of Dignity. This war initially focused on the status of Crimea and parts of the Donbas, internationally recognised by other nations as part of Ukraine.

In the period of this war Russia announced the annexation of Crimea in 2014. The war in Donbas set off in 2014 between Ukraine and Russian-backed separatists.

The Russian military built up men and equipment on the Russia–Ukraine border from late 2021. We were warned about an impending attack on Ukraine but the Russians kept denying it. The rest is what you see today called an invasion by Putin.

Let’s look at his propaganda word “Nazification”. You must ask the question: who is a Nazi?
A Nazi can only be a German. Nothing more, nothing less. A Nazi was regarded as a member of the National Socialist Party in Germany in the 1930s or 1940s. Can you denazify when there is no Nazi? NO. After WW2, there were attempts in the old USSR to find collaborators, but not to find Nazis per se. It is a propaganda word by Putin.

Putin deliberately uses the word Nazism to stir up sentiments in Russia. Soviet Union helped the allied forces defeat the Nazis during WW2. There were more than 20 million casualties, and memory of the fighting still lives on in the region. So using a term like denazification resonates deeply with him domestically and for Putin, it is a very powerful propaganda instrument.

Many Russians see Nazism as something the Germans brought from the West, which resulted in the horrific mass murder of many Soviet citizens, Jewish and non-Jewish.

Mr. Putin has been using this tool for many years saying that anything that comes from the west is Nazi.

Ask yourself, where then are the Nazis in Ukraine or even Russia.

Have you asked why Russia is so determined in Mariupol? Afterall the language spoken there is Mariupol Greek. Where are the Nazis in Mariupol? None! Mariupol is very strategic to both countries in the war. Aside from the natural resources in Mariupol, Russia will secure a land corridor between Crimea and Donbas and Russia will control the whole of the coastline along the Sea of Azov and much of the Black Sea. In achieving this, Ukraine's maritime trade will be cut off. Please will you define this as an invasion or a complete war?

Now if you say that Mariupol is part of Putin’s “strategic objectives”, has he achieved it. Remember that the Ukrainians are fighting to the death to keep this very significant part of their territory.

Cheers.

Objectives of failure..


Oponu ode...


Loser..

Aswear, I give up

Our people are irredeemable ignorant and can't think for themselves

Drenimarcus:
Even my ferrets are smarter than most nairalanders gulping down the msm news. Ukraine just said they have no reserves left, no more fuel cos Russia blew the remaining yesterday night, no more airports, no more navy. Slavutych is surrounded by the Russian army as we speak. Even Ukraine govt are now leaving Kyiv but the MSM wont tell you this because they want you ignorant. Now, there is a new covid variant, B-something something. For the past 4 weeks, covid was in absentia, now it is back.

Others countries are already looking out for themselves, India, Brazil and others, heck Mexico just told the US that they wont be sanctioning Russia.

There are already protesting in Spain, Greece, France, Poland i think too. They keep saying Russia is losing to the people who cant use their God-given brain to think.

One thing is certain, you can't win war through propaganda, neither can you hide the truth forever.

Sayonara.

The military objectives from the beginning was;
1) Demilitarization of Ukraine,
2) De nazification of Ukraine,
3) Stopping Ukrainian NATO ascension.
In the course of negotiations for ceasefire which is ongoing, the following were the Russians demand;
1) A commitment to stop NATO ascension
2) Recognition of Crimea as part of Russia,
3) Recognition by Ukraine of the two new republics in Donbass.
4) Protection of the rights of Russian speakers(a language zelensky officially banned),
5) Denazification.

First, Without propaganda, every military installations, command/control, airfield, ammunition depot, fuel dump, air defenses, military aircraft of the Ukrainian military has been eliminated or rendered out of service.

Secondly, the notorious nazi Azov battalion has been technically eliminated from their strong hold of mauripol, the city is currently undergoing liberation and mop up.

Lastly, NATO ascension, even Ukraine has agreed to jettison the NATO ideology, the reason a ceasefire has not taken shape is because Russia still insists on the recognition of Crimea and the Donbass as new entities carved out of Ukraine.

Unless you just choose to live in denial, the 3 set objectives has been fully achieved. At no point was occupying Ukraine an agenda. Wether the war would continue to escalate or a deescalation would follow suit would depend on the nature of negotiations going forward and what Ukraine is willing to sacrifice. Like a WION analysis put forward, the media heroism will fade off, the reality of a decimated country would stare zelensky bare face. Infrastructures wise, it’s gone back decades. The US has gained, without putting boots on ground, it is sealing gas deals. Both Russia’s economy and western economies took a beating, the ruble has began a rebound, inflation is still killing Europe and America, and it’s not looking to stop anytime soon. Saudis refused to help stabilize oil prices. Europe currently paying ten times for the gas that drives their economy.

Of course they did, continue living in delusion. Putin said in an interview today that the war will end in May and by then all their objectives will be achieved.

princeeze1:
The military objectives from the beginning was;
1) Demilitarization of Ukraine,
2) De nazification of Ukraine,
3) Stopping Ukrainian NATO ascension.
In the course of negotiations for ceasefire which is ongoing, the following were the Russians demand;
1) A commitment to stop NATO ascension
2) Recognition of Crimea as part of Russia,
3) Recognition by Ukraine of the two new republics in Donbass.
4) Protection of the rights of Russian speakers(a language zelensky officially banned),
5) Denazification.

First, Without propaganda, every military installations, command/control, airfield, ammunition depot, fuel dump, air defenses, military aircraft of the Ukrainian military has been eliminated or rendered out of service.

Secondly, the notorious nazi Azov battalion has been technically eliminated from their strong hold of mauripol, the city is currently undergoing liberation and mop up.

Lastly, NATO ascension, even Ukraine has agreed to jettison the NATO ideology, the reason a ceasefire has not taken shape is because Russia still insists on the recognition of Crimea and the Donbass as new entities carved out of Ukraine.

Unless you just choose to live in denial, the 3 set objectives has been fully achieved. At no point was occupying Ukraine an agenda. Wether the war would continue to escalate or a deescalation would follow suit would depend on the nature of negotiations going forward and what Ukraine is willing to sacrifice. Like a WION analysis put forward, the media heroism will fade off, the reality of a decimated country would stare zelensky bare face. Infrastructures wise, it’s gone back decades. The US has gained, without putting boots on ground, it is sealing gas deals. Both Russia’s economy and western economies took a beating, the ruble has began a rebound, inflation is still killing Europe and America, and it’s not looking to stop anytime soon. Saudis refused to help stabilize oil prices. Europe currently paying ten times for the gas that drives their economy.

“Secondly, the notorious nazi Azov battalion has been technically eliminated from their strong hold of mauripol, the city is currently undergoing liberation and mop up”.

Liberation from what? Mop up what please?

Svlla:
Aswear, I give up

Our people are irredeemable ignorant and can't think for themselves

Educated but dumb and ignorant. Always ready to lick their masters ass all because of visa. I have reduce my time here because replying them can make one lose IQ points.

You know the agenda? Anything about Russia losing basically hits the front page. Won’t be surprised if the owner is bought and paid for. It’s pathetic.

Blood thirsty putin is holding to straws. I pray his end be worse than Saddam Hussein and Ghaddafi combined. May he face the travails of Slobodan Milosevic, and i believe his own people will kill him.

Cantonese:
“Secondly, the notorious nazi Azov battalion has been technically eliminated from their strong hold of mauripol, the city is currently undergoing liberation and mop up”.

Liberation from what? Mop up what please?

Please my friend wake up and stop living in denial, Russian forces are already in the city center of mauripol and taken over the administrative building. Some Azov fighters had to dress as women to escape. My analysis is plain without bias.

princeeze1:
Please my friend wake up and stop living in denial, Russian forces are already in the city center of mauripol and taken over the administrative building. Some Azov fighters had to dress as women to escape. My analysis is plain without bias.

Did you understand my question at all? My question was on the basis of your comment.

My questions are:

1. What is Mariupol getting liberated from?
2. What is getting mopped up?

mach7:
Hmmn, so what were the objectives spelt out by Mr. Putin sir.

Dude go and rewatch Putin's speech before the invasion. If you do still believe this invasion was anything short of overthrowing Zelensky then I have an airport to sell to you.

formaxy:
Dude go and rewatch Putin's speech before the invasion. If you do still believe this invasion was anything short of overthrowing Zelensky then I have an airport to sell to you.

If the aim was to overthrow Zelensky then Kiev will be in ruins and all mechanisms of government will have been destroyed.

Putin before the commencement of the special military operation never mentioned an overthrow of Zelensky.

Putin's speech announcing the commencement of the operation never mentioned overthrowing Zelensky.

Putin's comments on the 3rd day of the operation when speaking to the Russian Security Council called on the Ukrainian military to overthrow Zelensky as he preferred to negotiate with the military rather with Ukraine's "drunk and drug addicted" President. According to Putin, he wanted to avoid bloodshed hence the call for the military to take over and then lead negotiations.

Two days ago, when Dmitry Peskov spoke with Amanpour on CNN, he said that the goal is not to overthrow Zelensky but reaffirmed that it was to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine.

These are facts. If you want to disprove, then show me where he made calls for overthrow of Zelensky before the operation commenced.

mach7:
Some people have been confused with the plethora of fake news being churned out by the West, and this has inhibited them from seeing the bigger picture.

The major goal of the operation at the first stage was to free the Donbass and recapture its territory, reestablish water supply to Crimea, destroy the military capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and prevent the ability of the Ukrainians from creating a dirty bomb by seizing the Nuclear Power Plants. All of these have been achieved at least up to 90%.

The forces deployed North of Ukraine, in Kiev, Kharkov, Sumy and Chernigiv were used to tie down Ukrainian forces and prevent them from being able to provide reinforcements to the Donbass. Russian troops haven't assaulted those cities yet, they just surrounded them (or blocked them in Russian parlance). So news about Ukraine launching counter attacks on places that haven't been captured is just fake news for morale boosting.

The second phase based on how negotiations progress, will be to storm those cities mentioned above and seize it. Thus applying more pressure on Ukraine and it is forced to accede to Russia's terms.

Russia already controls two full regions of Ukraine, Zaporozhye and Kherson and this has made them to establish a land connection between Crimea, the Donbass and Russia itself.

Dumb tyrant supporting Nigerians, Now the objective is two regions. Keep holding onto the two regions.when the sanctions start to hit and counter offensive starts, we will see how it goes.

You people and your tyrant Lord failed woefully.

tempest01:
Dumb tyrant supporting Nigerians, Now the objective is two regions. Keep holding onto the two regions.when the sanctions start to hit and counter offensive starts, we will see how it goes.

You people and your tyrant Lord failed woefully.

There is something called comprehension skills, attain it. It will help you a lot in the journey of life.

Drenimarcus:
Even my ferrets are smarter than most nairalanders gulping down the msm news. Ukraine just said they have no reserves left, no more fuel cos Russia blew the remaining yesterday night, no more airports, no more navy. Slavutych is surrounded by the Russian army as we speak. Even Ukraine govt are now leaving Kyiv but the MSM wont tell you this because they want you ignorant. Now, there is a new covid variant, B-something something. For the past 4 weeks, covid was in absentia, now it is back.

Others countries are already looking out for themselves, India, Brazil and others, heck Mexico just told the US that they wont be sanctioning Russia.

There are already protesting in Spain, Greece, France, Poland i think too. They keep saying Russia is losing to the people who cant use their God-given brain to think.

One thing is certain, you can't win war through propaganda, neither can you hide the truth forever.

Sayonara.

Kudos man...you are intelligent and informed unlike some whole lots of clowns here

Cantonese:
Did you understand my question at all? My question was on the basis of your comment.

My questions are:

1. What is Mariupol getting liberated from?
2. What is getting mopped up?

I will tell you, Nazi elements within the Ukrainian ranks. Firstly, I saw in your original post how you erroneously said A nazi has to be a German. False! Nazism is a supremacist ideology, it started in Hitlers Germany, but spread across Europe. A convention was held to denounce it, Ukraine never ratified it. Now before you deny there are no nazist elements in Ukraine, the link and screenshot below will disprove you totally. The ones in Ukraine having government backing even engage in xenophobia and islamophobia.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

mach7:
If the aim was to overthrow Zelensky then Kiev will be in ruins and all mechanisms of government will have been destroyed.

Putin before the commencement of the special military operation never mentioned an overthrow of Zelensky.

Putin's speech announcing the commencement of the operation never mentioned overthrowing Zelensky.

Putin's comments on the 3rd day of the operation when speaking to the Russian Security Council called on the Ukrainian military to overthrow Zelensky as he preferred to negotiate with the military rather with Ukraine's "drunk and drug addicted" President. According to Putin, he wanted to avoid bloodshed hence the call for the military to take over and then lead negotiations.

Two days ago, when Dmitry Peskov spoke with Amanpour on CNN, he said that the goal is not to overthrow Zelensky but reaffirmed that it was to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine.

These are facts. If you want to disprove, then show me where he made calls for overthrow of Zelensky before the operation commenced.

I don't know if this is deliberate attempt to twist open truth or outright ignorance.

Putin's demands as well as the negotiated conditions for cease fire included: Denazification of Ukraine (whatever that nonsense means), Demilitarisation of Ukraine, Bringing those who he felt where behind the "genocide" in the Donbass to justice.
Recognizing the Donbass as independent territories.

Has he achieved this? Nah

And please don't ask me about links. The internet is very open for anyone honestly Interested in the truth to find it out in 10mins

formaxy:
I don't know if this is deliberate attempt to twist open truth or outright ignorance.

Putin's demands as well as the negotiated conditions for cease fire included: Denazification of Ukraine (whatever that nonsense means), Demilitarisation of Ukraine, Bringing those who he felt where behind the "genocide" in the Donbass to justice.
Recognizing the Donbass as independent territories.

Has he achieved this? Nah

And please don't ask me about links. The internet is very open for anyone honestly Interested in the truth to find it out in 10mins

I think you are actually confusing yourself. Military objectives are quite different from demanded negotiations for a ceasefire. There were only 3 military objectives;
1) NATO ascension, 2)Demilitarization, 3) Denazification. All three has been fully achieved. Ukraine has agreed not to join the military block, all its military apparatus has been destroyed or rendered inoperable. It’s now essentially landlocked making it impossible to float a viable navy. The Azov battalion with neo nazi ideology in mauripol has been essentially wiped out. You don’t need rocket science to confirm these has been achieved in full.
But to fully stop the war, Russia has put forward demands which are; 1) the status of Crimea, 2) the status of the Donbass republics, 3) amendments to Ukrainian constitution to forbid nato ascension, 4) rights of Russian speakers and 5) Denazification. Don’t ask me to elaborate on Denazification because you also seem to play down their existence. you can google it or look a bit up, I posted a link with screenshots about them in Ukraine.