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joyandfaith:
What does retreat mean in military? Defeat? Just asking.

In regards to military? Retreat leads to defeat!

These same people called the US losers when they WITHDREW from Afghanistan but now they are acting as though Russia “withdrawing” would signal victory. Russia retreated. They’re in denial.

1stGenAmerican:
Right!
The city of Kiev is a mere 829 square kilometers (about the size of Chicago) but after 38 days the might RA hasn’t managed to capture it. It’s clear that the RA is struggling but Putin’s fans will tell you that particular failure is part of Russia’s brilliant strategy.

Putin fans are zombies. They are plenty here. The truth is at this moment RA is loosing. Battle of donbass will determine fate of Russia in international politics and power game. Even if RA wins donbass, it will be an expensive victory for Putin.

oz4real83:
Nothing sweet about war, it is always no victor, no vanguished.

You lie! In most cases, there is a victor and a vanquished. Most cases.

joyandfaith:
Putin fans are zombies. They are plenty here. The truth is at this moment RA is loosing. Battle of donbass will determine fate of Russia in international politics and power game. Even if RA wins donbass, it will be an expensive victory for Putin.

Putin demanding over 100,000 fresh conscripts is very telling. I’m sure he’ll be pushing these inexperienced, green boys into immediate battle. But maybe Putin will break out all of these highly trained soldiers and sophisticated state of the art equipment that his fans claim he is “saving” for last.

Techsupport:
why would you withdraw from a place you lost blood and sweat in a war that is still going on?

Guy, the Russian forces was never an occupational force. You don't occupy a country the size of Ukraine with 150,000 troops.

morikee:
They withdrawn what a misleading headline

Why did they withdraw if they were having it so good there?

VirileNelly2420:
U and who wan drag ruins?
Russia did dia job and moved on! ...u guys are here talking about retaken.

But they failed woefully in their objective which was to capture Kiyv.

Appleyard:
Guy, the Russian forces was never an occupational force. You don't occupy a country the size of Ukraine with 150,000 troops.

OK. I will not waste my time replying you.

GardenOfGod:
They withdrew because of monumental loses incurred on their troops. No stories.

Lies

1stGenAmerican:
Putin demanding over 100,000 fresh conscripts is very telling. I’m sure he’ll be pushing these inexperienced, green boys into immediate battle. But maybe Putin will break out all of these highly trained soldiers and sophisticated state of the art equipment that his fans claim he is “saving” for last.

I dont know who your battle instructor was, but what you just wrote here is just pure civilian bar gist.

you go to war with the army you have not the ones you wish you had. No military commander will send an inexperienced army to be cannon fodder for the enemy, this is not football where you weaken the opponent and then bring in your superstars to finish the work. Every russian conscript that was killed, every T72 tank destroyed and every aircraft brought down is an experience gained by an enemy that would have been easy to destroy if Russia had sent in the "experienced" army which they don't have. The Russian military is not experienced in this type of battle, they are trained for battle with another super power, where they exchange missiles but not field grunt.

Techsupport:
I dont know who your battle instructor was, but what you just wrote here is just pure civilian bar gist.

you go to war with the army you have not the ones you wish you had. No military commander will send an inexperienced army to be cannon fodder for the enemy, this is not football where you weaken the opponent and then bring in your superstars to finish the work. Every russian conscript that was killed, every T72 tank destroyed and every aircraft brought down is an experience gained by an enemy that would have been easy to destroy if Russia had sent in the "experienced" army which they don't have. The Russian military is not experienced in this type of battle, they are trained for battle with another super power, where they exchange missiles but not field grunt.

I guess you missed my sarcasm.

1stGenAmerican:
I surmise that you missed my sarcasm.

Oh my bad..... I did miss it.... my apologies.

working late and Nairaland don't mix

joyandfaith:
That is reason RA captured kiev in 3 days and regime change was effected in Ukraine.

Kiev is a means to an end should the demand in betwixt the means and the end didn't fall through as planned.

amazingspiderma:
Ukrainian First National Project after the War.

1. To become a Nuclear State again.

2. Then join NATO.

These two things are what got it where it is today.

boyfrank:
Ukraine is industrialised, though not on the level of Germany. Shows u didn't understand history. The reason Germany and Japan recovered so fast was because of the US marshal plan. The same US is already preparing billions of dollars in aid to Ukraine.

Ukraine will never recover again. The country will be split into two or three parts. The billions of dollars you envisaged is only on paper, and even if it is made to leave the US wallet, it would end up in the pockets of corrupt oligarchs and Zelensky who has more than a billion dollars to his name and a huge Villa in Florida as stated in the Offshore Panama papers.

Spandau:
You lie! In most cases, there is a victor and a vanquished. Most cases.

have u ever seen a war where the winner didn't lose anything? Even if it was one life that was lost, it is still something. What about resources? Do you know how much resources that are mobilised into warfare? Resources that would have been used to build the economy? Nobody absolutely wins or loses a war, you win some and lose some.

Igbofam:
At the bolded part of your comment, that convoy no longer exists. When was the last time you listened to the news or read the news online? 3 weeks ago?

Convoy that had its ass smoked. Convoy that became confused at a time and turned on each other

Appleyard:
The strategy is to draw the Uki forces out of Kiev main city to the outskirts. And I'm surprised they're taking the bait.

No sir. Don't forget that they took so long to achieve even this feat (the static one week 40 mile vehicle column is an evidence).
There was no strategy other than to regroup to correct a mistake after a disappointing manoeuvre.

We have to tell ourselves the truth here, Russian actually disgraced themselves in Ukraine.
You want to demilitarize Ukraine but ended up militarizing them heavily.
Now, an average Ukrainian is now a solider capable of using an array of weapons.

Trust me, after this Ukraine will never be caught pants down again.

I don't think Ukraine will go for Donbass now. I read somewhere that during the peace talks, the issue of those regions will be in discussion for the next 15 years.

But Ukraine have smelt blood and nolonger afraid, they might go for it.

Let us all just pray for peace.

TenQ:
No sir. Don't forget that they took so long to achieve even this feat (the static one week 40 mile vehicle column is an evidence).
There was no strategy other than to regroup to correct a mistake after a disappointing manoeuvre.

You should also remember that NATO was almost getting involved in the war which Russian is not prepared for.
The best bet is to consolidate your gains and use the peace talks to achieve more.

Putin knows how the Gadaffi and co. ended up with NATO. He will not like that type of shit.

ugwum007:
Convoy that had its ass smoked. Convoy that became confused at a time and turned on each other

And of course Russia would either not tell her people that or they would rather say the convoy has even entered Kyiv and is being led by that Tiktok Kadyrov and his band of Chechen Tiktok soldiers

Igbofam:
And of course Russia would either not tell her people that or they would rather say the convoy has even entered Kyiv wand is being led by that Tiktok Kadyrov and his band of Chechen Tiktok soldiers

The 40mile convoy was meant to be a show of force but it became one of the greatest mistakes Russian did.

joyandfaith:
Putin fans are zombies. They are plenty here. The truth is at this moment RA is loosing. Battle of donbass will determine fate of Russia in international politics and power game. Even if RA wins donbass, it will be an expensive victory for Putin.

Lies

olas24u:
Very easy,just continue your propaganda.people that are negotating deals at the back.,even iranian oil they have been buying.

Watin bring Iranian oil for the matter.

I ask a simple question, since u are at the back holding the negotiation meeting with them.
did Russia cut off the oil supply yesterday?

Techguy96:
Watin bring Iranian oil for the matter.

I ask a simple question, since u are at the back holding the negotiation meeting with them.
did Russia cut off the oil supply yesterday?

You really do not understand the meaning of rubles for Gas, it is not demanding for rubles to be paid directly, what Russia means is to be paid in Gazprom bank in Russia, foreign currency goes directly to Russia. Not Gazprom bank in germany or UK. So the money is safe and nt frozen.

The amount of misreporting in the news is a lot. The truth will come out eventually.

There is limited discussion on the peace talks. The West determined what Russia's goals were and we took it hook, line and sinker.

Let the war finish ... Things will come out. All I will advise is be careful of news and compare how they supported Ukraine vs how they supported us during End SARS.

Techguy96:
Watin bring Iranian oil for the matter.

I ask a simple question, since u are at the back holding the negotiation meeting with them.
did Russia cut off the oil supply yesterday?

If you want any product you transfer directly to Russia, no story.

ugwum007:
We have to tell ourselves the truth here, Russian actually disgraced themselves in Ukraine.
You want to demilitarize Ukraine but ended up militarizing them heavily.
Now, an average Ukrainian is now a solider capable of using an array of weapons.

Trust me, after this Ukraine will never be caught pants down again.

I don't think Ukraine will go for Donbass now. I read somewhere that during the peace talks, the issue of those regions will be in discussion for the next 15 years.

But Ukraine have smelt blood and nolonger afraid, they might go for it.

Let us all just pray for peace.

Funny post. Do you know how many billions of weapon and arms NATO pushed into Ukraine. This became a proxy war between Russia and NATO. The truth will come out eventually on the battle as truly neutral historians begin to investigate. The first casualty of the war / military exercise was the truth followed by people's thinking.

Funflipper:
But they failed woefully in their objective which was to capture Kiyv.

Who said it was to capture Kiev? Their true goal is most likely Eastern Ukraine and to force Ukraine to be neutral. Let's see how this plays out.

ugwum007:
You should also remember that NATO was almost getting involved in the war which Russian is not prepared for.
The best bet is to consolidate your gains and use the peace talks to achieve more.

Putin knows how the Gadaffi and co. ended up with NATO. He will not like that type of shit.

Some people would rather Ukraine fail miserably in this war. These people don't realise that both USA and Russia want exactly the same thing from Ukraine (CONTROL). I thus find it amusing when people pitch their tent either with Russia or NATO without isolating the pawn (Ukraine) on the board.

To hell with what USA or Russia want with Ukraine. My desire is that Ukraine as an independent sovereign country will survive to reach their God given potential as a nation.

[quote author=TenQ post=111578177]Some people would rather Ukraine fail miserably in this war. These people don't realise that both USA and Russia want exactly the same thing from Ukraine (CONTROL). I thus find it amusing when people pitch their tent either with Russia or NATO without isolating the pawn (Ukraine) on the board.

To hell with what USA or Russia want with Ukraine. My desire is that Ukraine as an independent sovereign country will survive to reach their God given potential as a nation.[/quote

That is wrong ,their was agreement called the minsk agreement ,that Nato will not move to the east of europe,so ask your self why or in whose interest are they moving to the east.

TenQ:
Some people would rather Ukraine fail miserably in this war. These people don't realise that both USA and Russia want exactly the same thing from Ukraine (CONTROL). I thus find it amusing when people pitch their tent either with Russia or NATO without isolating the pawn (Ukraine) on the board.

To hell with what USA or Russia want with Ukraine. My desire is that Ukraine as an independent sovereign country will survive to reach their God given potential as a nation.

secondly it is the USA that does not want integration of Europe together with Russia, when Europe and Russia integrate together ,they will compete with America interms of economy because ,Russia as natural resources, and Europe will get cheaper resources to power its economy and will compete with even china.The goal of America is to sperate them.