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China’s ministry of foreign affairs has accused Nato of messing up Europe and stirring up conflicts in the Asia-Pacific region, after the UK’s foreign secretary told China it should “play by the rules”.

In a speech at Mansion House in London on Wednesday, Liz Truss renewed calls to boost Nato in the wake of the Ukraine war, and said the coordinated moves to isolate Russia from the world economy proved that market access to democratic countries was no longer a given. Truss also delivered a direct warning to China.


“Countries must play by the rules. And that includes China,” she said.

On Thursday Wang Wenbin, a spokesman for China’s ministry of foreign affairs, dismissed Truss’s comments and accused Nato of demanding other countries abide by basic norms while it has “wantonly waged wars and dropped bombs in sovereign states, killing and displacing innocent civilians”.

“Nato, a military organisation in the North Atlantic, has in recent years come to the Asia-Pacific region to throw its weight around and stir up conflicts,” Wang said.

“Nato has messed up Europe. Is it now trying to mess up the Asia-Pacific and even the world?”

In her speech Truss said Nato had to pre-empt threats in the Indo-Pacific and extend its outlook to democracies outside its membership, like Taiwan, which Beijing claims is a breakaway Chinese province it must retake. She suggested China’s economic rise – now the world’s second largest economy to Britain’s sixth – could be targeted.
China will not continue to rise if they do not play by the rules. China needs trade with the G7. We [the Group of Seven] represent around half of the global economy. And we have choices,” Truss said.

“We have shown with Russia the kind of choices that we’re prepared to make when international rules are violated.”

China has refused to condemn the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, one of its closest allies, drawing criticism and urgings from European and other governments to use its influence on Moscow. A recent China-EU summit was reportedly strained as Chinese representatives rebuffed pressure by European counterparts to help end the war. Premier Li Keqiang said Beijing would pursue peace “in its own way”.

Beijing firmly opposes linking the Ukraine war to its relations with Moscow and has said it will defend the rights of Chinese individuals and companies. On Thursday Wang said China’s position on the conflict had been “consistent and clear”.

“We have always made independent judgments based on the merits of the case,” he said, adding no further detail.

Truss has previously accused China and Russia being “aggressors working in concert”, telling Australian media she couldn’t rule out China using Russia’s invasion as an opportunity to launch its own act of aggression.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/29/china-says-nato-is-messing-up-europe-and-warns-over-role-in-asia-pacific

True,

Nato has messed up no doubt and should be disbanded

Poland is planning to move heavy equipments in the guise of 1 month military exercise in the country's east and north while Belarus is moving forces and equipment towards Poland borders.

Romania is moving equipment eastwards too but lying through their teeth that they are not planning on sending forces to Moldova

Transnistria is on high alert, setting up road blocks and check points while heavy conscription and recruitment of forces is on-going in the Russian backed breakaway Moldovan territory

UK is deploying 8000 soldiers to Europe, biggest ever British deployment since wwII

The Baltic has expanded their forces

Russia is testing and mass producing more deadly and strategic weapons

Intelligent services are saying that Poland is trying to deploy 'peacekeeping forces' to west of Ukriane

Europe is in a tearing race to arm itself and there's a sense of insecurity and panic all over Europe

Coupled with economic problems, impending recession and an uncertain future.

Europe is doom if they don't handle this situation properly

All this could have been abated if only Nato stuck to the gentleman agreement they had with Russia about eastward expansion.

Truss is making sense.China have to play by the rules or risk losing its economy power.

VictorUSA:
Truss is making sense.China have to play by the rules or risk losing its economy power.

NATO or EU didn't make China an economic power neither did they make them a rising military power. They cannot make them lose such power. China is the world's factory. If they don't produce, you go hungry.

rottennaija:
NATO or EU didn't make China an economic power neither did they make them a rising military power. They cannot make them lose such power. China is the world's factory. If they don't produce, you go hungry.

How is china the world factory? Chinese cheap labour and products is as a result of failing to atain a certain standard of quality.Chinese economy is heavily dependent on American industries.

VictorUSA:
How is china the world factory? Chinese cheap labour and products is as a result of failing to atain a certain standard of quality.Chinese economy is heavily dependent on American industries.

Do you even listen to yourself talk sometimes or you're just oblivious to pure facts,how can you say the biggest consumer market in the world rely on American industries,they have 1.5b people for god's sake

shogsman:
Do you even listen to yourself talk sometimes or you're just oblivious to pure facts,how can you say the biggest consumer market in the world rely on American industries,they have 1.5b people for god's sake

Not claiming to know better, sir.Does population matters that much? I said that considering the fact that Chinese biggest business partner is USA and most of the top companies imports more US goods, ASEAN is chinese 2nd biggest business partner.Hence my position.

VictorUSA:
Not claiming to know better, sir.Does population matters that much? I said that considering the fact that Chinese biggest business partner is USA and most of the top companies imports more US goods, ASEAN is chinese 2nd biggest business partner.Hence my position.

Of course the Chinese economy will take a hit too,china has exported over $90b worth of goods to Europe alone this year,this goods and services are what maintains balance and propels the European economy if it seizes to come everything comes tumbling ground.
The same goes for USA which is heavily dependent on Chinese products,I live in the US and everyone here uses Chinese products day to day, you go to an apartment in downtown Chicago and 60-70% of things inside is made from china. Even our own iphones is from there. If that's stops coming then shit will hit the fan,where is the labor we're supposed to turn to.everu company here in the USA will have zero access to the biggest consumer market in the world,it means most company will lose most of Thier revenues with no hope of recovery.
China on the other hand apart from it's Mammoth population still has 1.4b indians, Russia Hungary, Austria, Portugal,and a bunch of European markets because they're not all going to follow suit,the whole of South America,whole of Asia,Africa to turn to.

rottennaija:
NATO or EU didn't make China an economic power neither did they make them a rising military power. They cannot make them lose such power. China is the world's factory. If they don't produce, you go hungry.

If china is the world's factory the last thing they want is an escalation that would result in its own economic meltdown

shogsman:
Do you even listen to yourself talk sometimes or you're just oblivious to pure facts,how can you say the biggest consumer market in the world rely on American industries,they have 1.5b people for god's sake

Yes they have 1.4 billion people to worry about if a miscalculation results into an economic meltdown

baralatie:
If china is the world's factory the last thing they want is an escalation that would result in its own economic meltdown

Do a research on what demands And supply means,it creates a bargaining stand for who has more sway than the other.
If I'm selling you oxygen which basically decides if you live or die ,will you be unwise enough to stop buying from me because we have a misunderstanding. Same thing goes for Russian gas

baralatie:
Yes they have 1.4 billion people to worry about if a miscalculation results into an economic meltdown

It means they have a very efficient consumer population,the countries they are in a conflict makes less than 10% of Their output market. The west needs China more than they need them, it's as simple as that.
You can't threaten a country that is bigger and richer and produce more than your entire continent combined.
China can decide to only focus it's market on it's Allies which is around 90% of the world's population and it will still continue to grow. They basically make everything there, accounts for more than 50% of world's products

shogsman:
Do a research on what demands And supply means,it creates a bargaining stand for who has more sway than the other.
If I'm selling you oxygen which basically decides if you live or die ,will you be unwise enough to stop buying from me because we have a misunderstanding. Same thing goes for Russian gas

We already have a test run of china under trump
It was not funny for china but china managed trump that it did not miscalculate
Therefore it could reduce the loss and impact.
In fact both countries reduced their impact looses because the two leaders were level headed.
Now imagine if china was led by a zelensky and the USA by Putin.
The world would have ended since

That is a thought for all parties

shogsman:
It means they have a very efficient consumer population,the countries they are in a conflict makes less than 10% of Their output market. The west needs China more than they need them, it's as simple as that.
You can't threaten a country that is bigger and richer and produce more than your entire continent combined.
China can decide to only focus it's market on it's Allies which is around 90% of the world's population and it will still continue to grow. They basically make everything there, accounts for more than 50% of world's products

The consumer base of china is not even their to talk about.
If the export and it's industries get hit as in big.
It means automatic downtime with loss of jobs
ImaGine what a 50% unemployment would do to china.
That is why war is crazy

Does it mean that the us would escape the economic chaos.hell no

baralatie:
The consumer base of china is not even their to talk about.
If the export and it's industries get hit as in big.
It means automatic downtime with loss of jobs
ImaGine what a 50% unemployment would do to china.
That is why war is crazy

Does it mean that the us would escape the economic chaos.hell no

The biggest consumer market in the world is not even Thier to talk about?
Seems I just wasted my time explaining to you,you don't seem to get how this works bro. Peace

baralatie:
We already have a test run of china under trump
It was not funny for china but china managed trump that it did not miscalculate
Therefore it could reduce the loss and impact.
In fact both countries reduced their impact looses because the two leaders were level headed.
Now imagine if china was led by a zelensky and the USA by Putin.
The world would have ended since

That is a thought for all parties

The fact that the world has not ended right now with all the nonsense Russia has and china has been taking from the west for decades now kinds of disprove what you just said and you do know that zelensky has only been a politician for 3 years now right

shogsman:
The biggest consumer market in the world is not even Thier to talk about?
Seems I just wasted my time explaining to you,you don't seem to get how this works bro. Peace

So you think that China consumes all of its products that comes from it's factories?

shogsman:
The fact that the world has not ended right now with all the nonsense Russia has and china has been taking from the west for decades now kinds of disprove what you just said and you do know that zelensky has only been a politician for 3 years now right

Zelensky is a politician for just three years and we have a Ukraine against Russia war!
We have a world food crisis,we have an energy crisis and we have an economic crisis.
This is excluding Russia's own problems to deal with

Shogsman the economic dependency and reliability of the two countries is vice versa.But I strongly believe the US has an edge over China.

You stated that most of the phones there are chinese-made, what about phones produced by Apple, BLU Products, Caterpillar and the rest? Where do they go to?

You also talk of China having an edge the US on the grounds that it will take South America, Africa and some countries in Europe, in regards to what particularly is that opinion concerned? Educate me please.

VictorUSA:
How is china the world factory? Chinese cheap labour and products is as a result of failing to atain a certain standard of quality.Chinese economy is heavily dependent on American industries.

that phone you are typing this bűlľshị́ť from is made in China

baralatie:
If china is the world's factory the last thing they want is an escalation that would result in its own economic meltdown

That's why China is doing everything to prevent war. Bit being the worlds factory means in the event of war, they can churn out military materials in their numbers to support their war.

VictorUSA:
How is china the world factory? Chinese cheap labour and products is as a result of failing to atain a certain standard of quality.Chinese economy is heavily dependent on American industries.

Go and sit down. I asked you to go learn some basic economy and what's happening in the world. I don't have time to waste with you.

VictorUSA:
Shogsman the economic dependency and reliability of the two countries is vice versa.But I strongly believe the US has an edge over China.

You stated that most of the phones there are chinese-made, what about phones produced by Apple, BLU Products, Caterpillar and the rest? Where do they go to?

You also talk of China having an edge the US on the grounds that it will take South America, Africa and some countries in Europe, in regards to what particularly is that opinion concerned? Educate me please.

China has a much more bigger market than USA, for example in Africa china has more exports than USA and Europe combined. Majority of south America, Africa and Asia directly depends on Chinese products from it's phones,ev batteries to tiny chips,they get everything from china.usa don't have that kind of sway. Why do you think isreal is buying yuan for it's foreign reserves now, they all see the tide shifting.
The world needs Chinese products far more than it needs American products,the difference is too clear,why do you think most of our stuffs here in the US comes from china even though technically we're enemies

rottennaija:
That's why China is doing everything to prevent war. Bit being the worlds factory means in the event of war, they can churn out military materials in their numbers to support their war.

In the event of war!
Yes they can churn out weapons but let me get you in on the problem.
The raw materials are not in China.
That is why china hates the idea about war in the first place.
It brings back very painful memories of what they have gone through

Shogsman China is the biggest business partner of virtually all parts of the world:Africa, EU, South America, always seconded by the US.It's a potential threat/threat to the US economic dominance.Thats why the US wants to do all it takes to curb that.

Many countries still have their reserves in USdollars, still trades in USdollars so it won't be easy for China to overtake the US as 1top economy.Moreover, the US is seeking other means to bring China down, aside the distractions its causing in Taiwan and Solomon Island so that China loses focus.

VictorUSA:
Shogsman China is the biggest business partner of virtually all parts of the world:Africa, EU, South America, always seconded by the US.It's a potential threat/threat to the US economic dominance.Thats why the US wants to do all it takes to curb that.

Many countries still have their reserves in USdollars, still trades in USdollars so it won't be easy for China to overtake the US as 1top economy.Moreover, the US is seeking other means to bring China down, aside the distractions its causing in Taiwan and Solomon Island so that China loses focus.

It won't be easy but in just a few years maybe even 4 to 6 years china will be the world's biggest economy and it will continue to grow at a crazy high rate from there.
You do know here in US we recorded around 1.5% loss of gdp right now while China records almost 5% increase.
It's just reality, they're like Russia they offer things cheap and the who world loves it easy and cheap. The same reason why Russia will always get buyers for Their gas irrespective of whether they are killing thousands or not, it's just economics bro

This war will really decide the world and make some reset.

Shogsman that is a profecy.But you are scaring me with such improbable prediction.You know I'm the biggest fan of the US.I'll be US Secretary of State(SCOTUS) somedays.I'll help build up policies that will make the US economy skyrocket and beat that of China and the new competitors by a whole hell.

You know so much about economy like shit and probably world affairs, wonder why Obama Messi didn't add you on that thread.Thanks for sharing ideas with me.Many people think i am rude, no.I don't feel I know any better.I am here to learn and not to show off.

@shogsman baralatie rottennaija VictorUSA

I have a question?

What is US exports to the world and what is the volume of this export that makes it the "2nd business partner" like VictorUSA said?

Forget about imports

I really want to know the USA exports to the world

Let's look at it critically

Svlla some of the things the US export to the world is as follows:
Motorcycles


Food beverage and Feed



Crude oil, fuel and other petroleum products



Civilian aircraft and aircraft engines



Industrial machines



Pharmaceuticals and somany others(still counting)...



US do export to the world.

baralatie:
In the event of war!
Yes they can churn out weapons but let me get you in on the problem.
The raw materials are not in China.
That is why china hates the idea about war in the first place.
It brings back very painful memories of what they have gone through

You are right. But a greater part of the raw materials they need for the war is in Russia. But war isn't the way.

Svlla:
@shogsman baralatie rottennaija VictorUSA

I have a question?

What is US exports to the world and what is the volume of this export that makes it the "2nd business partner" like VictorUSA said?

Forget about imports

I really want to know the USA exports to the world

Let's look at it critically

Not much,the companies that make up the bulk of The US market are tech and retail giants, weapons manufacturer,a couple transportation companies like booeing,Tesla .
China produce like a dozen times more so they export a whole lot more than USA.
From technology, cars,planes,robots,chip(Taiwan)ships, millitary hardware, computers, phones, petrochemicals,steel,trains to very basic things like doors, utensils.
It is estimated that china produce around 500,000 different individual products that is more than half of everything we use in the world like almost 60% Isn't that just insane
They basically make everything,if it's something people use they make it in china