Ibime:


I have seen Xavi pair with Fabregas and Marcos Senna in 2008 tournament while Iniesta is on the periphery on the wing to know Iniesta is not central to Xavi

Seen Xavi pair with Busquet and Alonso in 2010 and 2012 also with no show stopped

Seen Xavi pair with Seydou Keita and Busquet and no change to the level of dominance

But never seen Barca or Spain midfield consistently dominant with 65% to 80% of possession every game after Xavi

Do your research well. When it comes to dominating games, give it to Barcelona and Spain, they’ll do it with or without anyone.

Ibime:


I take an attacking midfielder that gave me 47 GA in a season than one with zero GA in the league in a calendar year.

Just thank God for carryalong. If Lampard accepted Barca offer in mid-2000s, they will be hailing him best thing since sliced bread in Catalunya by the time his productivity is added to Messi and co to dominate every tournament.

Bring Iniesta to Chelsea with his zero GA and you will chase him with sticks like Willian

Put Joe Cole on his right and Malouda on his left and Chelsea will be dragging league position with Bolton

Unproductive Willian, 64 goals in 8 years in England. Productive Iniesta, 57 goals in 16 years in Spain.

What is this na

Ibime:


Barcelona in their prime also lost to Chelsea so you are saying nothing.

You ain't saying nothing as long as Barca dominated Inter midfield to stupor without Iniesta, they just didn't score the last goal needed

Just goes to show Xavi never needed Iniesta to dominate any midfield.

For Spain, Iniesta played wing and the midfield domination from Xavi was the same.

But the moment Xavi got old and later left, Barca midfield domination turned to rubble

Barcelona never lost to Chelsea in their prime and if you mean the 1-0 at the bridge in 2012 then I will say you are wrong cus there were already in decline. The fact they lost the a league game to the first time in four years should tell you all you needed to know about the state of Barcelona in 2012. Moreso,there is nothing special about xavi dominating a Mourinho team who would sit back and allow you have most of the ball.The crux of the matter is that xavi without iniesta at their prime lost shamefully to inter-Milan. It took iniesta in the world cup to give xavi another glory in the same year he lost the UCL without him.

CAPdan21:

No dogs in this fight but u asked a question and he gave u an answer, instead of addressing his points you shifted to another argument not relating to the question u asked....In the spirit of Fair play,we would like you to respond to his argument and stop jumping up and down...

The comment you quoted was not quoted under anybody's comment.

Agenda go make guys dey yarn opata yarns...

How una go dey rubbish players like Iniesta, Lampard, Modric and Zidane because una want score cheap points...E no make sense.

popizaino:


Barcelona never lost to Chelsea in their prime and if you mean the 1-0 at the bridge in 2012 then I will say you are wrong cus there were already in decline. The fact they lost the a league game to the first time in four years should tell you all you needed to know about the state of Barcelona in 2012. Moreso,there is nothing special about xavi dominating a Mourinho team who would sit back and allow you have most of the ball.The crux of the matter is that xavi without iniesta at their prime lost shamefully to inter-Milan. It took iniesta in the world cup to give xavi another glory in the same year he lost the UCL without him.

So Barcelona 2012 was in decline?

Same set of midfielders that won Euro12 humiliating ITALY 4:0??

I mean, same players that knocked a team 10-2 aggregate in a UCL knockout stage, e come reach Chelsea turn, e turn decline.

Anything to protect Pep.

patrickmuf:
Agenda go make guys dey yarn opata yarns...

How una go dey rubbish players like Iniesta, Lampard, Modric and Zidane because una want score cheap points...E no make sense.

Madridiots and some Chelsea fans have been rubbishing iniesta first

How did you guys actually enjoy that Barca though, yes they’re greats but give me this Liverpool ball anytime anyday

Maximilan:
How did you guys actually enjoy that Barca though, yes they’re greats but give me this Liverpool ball anytime anyday

That Barca team were actually quite good to watch mainly because of the genius of messi but you see that Spanish team ehn dem dey induce sleep...

hensben:
Barca and Spain dominance as a team gave iniesta advantage of individual accolades. As an individual player, Lampard did more than him and can be successful with any top team if no injury, whereas, iniesta can not actually do much outside that system of play in terms of end product.

This is what happen when you need the opinion of someone else to make a point at the end you won't understand what you are saying. The things you said Andres iniesta cannot do is what he would excell at and the things you hyped Lampard for is what he would have failed at. You think is every tom dick and harry that can perform in tiki taka? Take your joke elsewhere and to burst your bubble Andres iniesta with the fact he knows how to dribble would have excelled anywhere.

patrickmuf:
Agenda go make guys dey yarn opata yarns...

How una go dey rubbish players like Iniesta, Lampard, Modric and Zidane because una want score cheap points...E no make sense.

You sef don see how you Messianic cultists sound?

Maximilan:
How did you guys actually enjoy that Barca though, yes they’re greats but give me this Liverpool ball anytime anyday

This Loserpool team still gets outclassed once in a while. This Loserpool team has only won 1 league and 1 champions league for their struggle . That Barca team was unplayable .
That Barca team won sextuple ! Most neutral fans without any agenda in mind will pick that Barca team ahead of this current Loserpool team na . Haba!

BlueRayDick:


This Loserpool team still gets outclassed once in a while. This Loserpool team has only won 1 league and 1 champions league for their struggle . That Barca team was unplayable .
That Barca team won sextuple ! Most neutral fans without any agenda in mind will pick that Barca team ahead of this current Loserpool team na . Haba!

He is talking about style of play and enjoyment not achievement.

Ibime:


They did not dominate midfield in 2015. This is revisionism.

2015 was built on MSN direct football not the usual Barca way

Xavi set the template for Spain and Barca in 2008 Euros and was by far the POTT with Iniesta as a carryalong. That was the start of the extreme midfield dominance era. Xavi started it and ended it.

You see the bolded you are very very right,they were not entirely possession based oriented and that is why I have always argued that Enrique would not have lifted the UCL if he had met Sir Alex Ferguson......but that aside, I can go back in lane to bring coogar of blessed memory comment here to tell you Iniesta was the only player who played very well when we played them in 2009. You can dismiss that but remember it was coming at a period when that match was just played so he must have had a good account of what happened unlike people doing revisionism in a decade later.

popizaino:



You see the bolded you are very very right,they were not entirely possession based oriented and that is why I have always argued that Enrique would not have lifted the UCL if he had met Sir Alex Ferguson......but that aside, I can go back in lane to bring coogar of blessed memory comment here to tell you Iniesta was the only player who played very well when we played them in 2009. You can dismiss that but remember it was coming at a period when that match was just played so he must have had a good account of what happened unlike people doing revisionism in a decade later.

Enrique Barca will flog Ferguson not once but twice on Sunday. That's the best Champions league winning Barca team of the last two decade.

Capaldi:

He is talking about style of play and enjoyment not achievement.

If he was referring to style of play , that makes it even worse . That Barca team’s style of play is only not enjoyable to the opponent’s fans. They run triangle around u , more like stuff u only get to see from pro video gamers .

Well anybody that doesn’t like that style of play is free not to like it tho.

Ibime:


Ozil cannot play in a 4-3-3 and that's a structural problem for his teams. Lampard is a 4-3-3 midfielder who would slot in that Barca 4-3-3 and show that Iniesta is just fooling you with vibes. Iniesta was never responsible for controlling but creating. All the controlling was done by Xavi and Busquet to a lesser extent. Xavi makes 100 passes, Busquet makes 80 and Iniesta only 60. Midfield control never lost a single percentage when Keita came in. His job was to create and be productive and he failed woefully, but people who don't understand where midfield control comes from will create excuses that his job is to control, not to create. Control always comes from the two deepest midfielders primarily. Any AM telling you he is controlling is telling porkies. Bayern does not need Muller to control games. Muller does what he supposed to do, not lying that he's helping to "control midfield" with only 60 passes

I am not good with words,just go and watch Andres iniesta's role in Fabregas goal against italy in euro 2012 group stage,it was assisted by david Silva though. Come and tell me what you see.

Tomori's Italian; quite impressive.

https://twitter.com/krishan_davis/status/1521237190050783238?t=7y7OWKBwrNidyaUeWNJG9w&s=19

Ibime:


Assist in Euro 2008 final vs Germany
Two assists in Euro 2012 final vs Italy
Assist in World Cup 2010 semi vs Germany

These are what matter, not grabbing camera like Lars Ricken or Eder after being carried along all tournament

If this stats was all that matters those who watch the match then won't be awarding Andres iniesta with the MOTM award while xavi was there abi dont you think so?

See Villarreal

Ah

Villarreal have pulled one back

Lol

Is anyone following the Ratcliffe story? The Brits are cunning fvcks. Abramovic should fight for every penny even if it means Chelsea crumbling, let it.

Snuck in the British billionaire under a ridiculous grassroots investment crap so the money moves to British hands.

Ibime:


Over hundred league goals scored in this calendar year below, not one single GA for Iniesta. Help me spell CARRYALONG

I am still yet to find the stat I am looking for but just take this from the king of football himself to hold body.

popizaino:

The things you said Andres iniesta cannot do is what he would excell at and the things you hyped Lampard for is what he would have failed at. You think is every tom dick and harry that can perform in tiki taka? Take your joke elsewhere and to burst your bubble Andres iniesta with the fact he knows how to dribble would have excelled anywhere.

The things he said is simple. Iniesta cannot play with Malouda on his left and Joe Cole on his right and finish Chelsea any better than 8th place in the league.

Lampard would easily excel in that Barca midfield because his job is not to lie that he is helping Busquet and Xavi with possession game but to be productive. Muller does not need to lie that he is helping Kimmich and Goretzka with anything. When Ancelotti came with tikitaka to Chelsea in 2009/10, Lampard produced 27 goals and 20 assists. The more ball productive players receive, the more they produce. Not lying anyhow and claiming other peoples work.

philip0906:
Is anyone following the Ratcliffe story? The Brits are cunning fvcks. Abramovic should fight for every penny even if it means Chelsea crumbling, let it.

Snuck in the British billionaire under a ridiculous grassroots investment crap so the money moves to British hands.

Ratcliffe is actually the best for Chelsea, not these American guys.

Unfortunately for Roman it looks like no peace will be in sight for a long time and he can almost count all his investment in UK as lost. He was not going to get a penny even if Boehly won the bid.

afrodoc2:


You sef don see how you Messianic cultists sound?

It's both camps that do this...

Ibime:


The things he said is simple. Iniesta cannot play with Malouda on his left and Joe Cole on his right and finish Chelsea any better than 8th place in the league.

Lampard would easily excel in that Barca midfield because his job is not to lie that he is helping Busquet and Xavi with possession game but to be productive. Muller does not need to lie that he is helping Kimmich and Goretzka with anything. When Ancelotti came with tikitaka to Chelsea in 2009/10, Lampard produced 27 goals and 20 assists. The more ball productive players receive, the more they produce. Not lying anyhow and claiming other peoples work.

All thanks to the composure,control,flair,skills Deco brought to our midfield,the exact thing missing in Lampard's game and very much in Iniesta's game. Trust me if this was a studio were I can ask them to bring me moments as evidences you would be surprised as how much I know about midfield ball.

BlueRayDick:


This Loserpool team still gets outclassed once in a while. This Loserpool team has only won 1 league and 1 champions league for their struggle . That Barca team was unplayable .
That Barca team won sextuple ! Most neutral fans without any agenda in mind will pick that Barca team ahead of this current Loserpool team na . Haba!

Missed the entire post

CAPdan21:

That Barca team were actually quite good to watch mainly because of the genius of messi but you see that Spanish team ehn dem dey induce sleep...

They outclassed their opponents most times it wasn’t a contest, I honestly didn’t enjoy their matches

BlueRayDick:


If he was referring to style of play , that makes it even worse . That Barca team’s style of play is only not enjoyable to the opponent’s fans. They run triangle around u , more like stuff u only get to see from pro video gamers .

Well anybody that doesn’t like that style of play is free not to like it tho.

Ibime:


Ratcliffe is actually the best for Chelsea, not these American guys.

Unfortunately for Roman it looks like no peace will be in sight for a long time and he can almost count all his investment in UK as lost. He was not going to get a penny even if Boehly won the bid.

He’s asking for his loan of £1.6billion to be repaid. He ain’t leaving that money for any Brit and in total support for it. Cunning Brits…