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Ibime:
Not my business. I'm saying what my friend said before the article even came out

Jodera:
Really?
I wonder why he's not putting things into perspective and context

Empiree:
then, you must verify information before you post. This is how they spread hatred everywhere. This is what happened with the recent incident too.

Too much anti Islam and anti north

Ibime:
If you know me, you'll know I don't spread hatred.

That's what my guy said it was and nothing in the article contradicts that. I applaud the article for not focusing on the ethnicity of the killers as that may add fuel to fire.

andrewbaba44:
Newcastle is rich

They should Drop 300 million for players and see many world class managers come knocking

Empiree:
so only aboki ride okada in Lagos?. Continue...



You guys are full of hate and this is actually the genesis of Nigeria's problems.

Ibime:
Another angu. it takes a forgiving man to SIMP ly accept an unexplained pregnancy

I'm even starting to see how they could write him off as an old man to explain Mary's perpetual virginity

Baba done suffer.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Make we rest with this talk naa

Abeg

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donjazet:
I ask again, if certain people did some evil things many years ago in ignorance, does it mean, they should be free from condemnation?? So we shouldn't criticize our great grandfathers for murdering innocent babies because they were ignorant about it?

raumdeuter:
You work with the rules of your time.
In 200 years from now killing animals for food r sport might be outlawed, Should you living in 2022 be judged by a rule that was made in 2222?

donjazet:
Scientific laws can NEVER change. What's established fact is established fact. The human body undergoes puberty from age 10 to age 16.

Having sex with PREPUBESCENT is always bad. There is no context where such is good,not even with time. You can say they committed that evil in ignorance but that still doesn't exclude them from condemnation for their evil.

Our great grand father's most likely murdered twins in Glee, that they did that in ignorance, doesn't mean we shouldn't condemn their actions. Evil is evil.

donjazet:
Yes, I'm judging them by my personal principles. One formed from being well researched. Humans are omnivores by nature, which means we are bound to eat meat. Which invariably means, we must kill animals. That is my personal principle and I'll apply that judgement to it anywhere.

TrebleChamp:
So you are calling Bros J dad a simp

raumdeuter:
You work with the rules of your time.
In 200 years from now killing animals for food r sport might be outlawed, Should you living in 2022 be judged by a rule that was made in 2222?
Do you realize some of our ancestors in Africa married women under 18? Actually 200yrs ago, Any woman 18yrs and not married is probably an outcast. Many married from 13yrs to men over 30yrs
Do you admit that all your ancestors are perverts and child molesters?
Today slavery is a crime, 600yrs ago Slavery was not a crime, it was the accepted norm in all cultures. Most of us living today were either descedants of slaves or slave owners

raumdeuter:
Your personal principles and research of today which you are convinced about might become the extreme foolishness of tomorrow. That your grand grand kids will read and say men our grandpa no try at all

There can be a research that shows that we do not need to eat animals and we can synthesize animal protein instead of subjecting animals to the barbarism and murder

Today a Ondo, Calabar and Gombe man will kill a dog to eat, You dare not eat a dog in America and many western country.
In Nigeria you can eat squirrels, where I live you dare not kill squirrel for food. Soon this might spread across the world and people stop eating squirells. Then what does that make you that have eaten countless squirrels

donjazet:
Stop inventing your own narrative to make your point palatable. Who told you women who did not marry before 18 were outcasts?

Determining age then sef was a problem because they didn't use Gregorian calendar. They mostly married the girl during or after puberty. Barely prepubescent.

Slavery is BAD!!! I'm not arguing the legality but the morality. Slavery will always be bad, whether it was acceptable in that society or not. There were still some societies ahead of their time then who would tell you it was bad. The world wasn't a singularly.

That something was done in ignorance doesn't exclude the offenders.

donjazet:
I would say you are the one putting things out of context and conflating issues.

My point has always been extremely simple. Mohammed had sex with a 9 year old. A prepubescent infant. That is pedophilia AND rape.
That it happened years ago does not matter. It's still bad, worse is the fact people who idolize him are literally doing the same in this day and age.

Look at this way, I'm certain that they're cultures in the past that were lenient with bestiality and may not have seen wrong in fvcking animals. I remember reading of an African culture where it was actually a right of passage to manhood for the males to fvck an animal, the word for that now is bestiality. Imagine people telling us we shouldn't criticize them because it was an acceptable practice for them and who knows, maybe one day science will tell us nothing is wrong with men fvcking animals.

Is that not twisted?

Jodera:
The bolded is really wrong.

But then I'm not saying whether it was wrong or not but putting it in context. You're shouting Paedophile because there's English for it now. The issue is that was the act Paedophilic centuries ago? That's the context we're talking about

Remember, once there's no law, there's no sin. And that's what you don't want to acknowledge

donjazet:
I answered your question. I will judge issues based on my own personal principles. Principles formed by research and keeping an open mind.

Now enough of the questions, state your position.
Clarify us on this Mohammed situation.
Infact let's use an analogy, Let us finger a pulse as to where you stand.

A man 2000 years ago likes to fvck animals. He gains a huge following and creates millions of people that like fvcking animals, centuries later, many societies now abhor such practices and you personally also abhor the practice. But his followers tell you it's wrong to call him an animal fvcker.
Calling him an animal fvcker will cost you your head, how do you solve that problem.

Jodera:
Who called it prepubescent?
Is it not research and scientist that made you know that it was bad?

So would you blame illiterate people and insult them for not being educated?

Empiree:
stop lying. The article didn't mention aboki.

Empiree:
so only aboki ride okada in Lagos?

donjazet:
Where is the insult??

raumdeuter:
You work with the rules of your time.
In 200 years from now killing animals for food r sport might be outlawed, Should you living in 2022 be judged by a rule that was made in 2222?

Do you realize some of our ancestors in Africa married women under 18? Actually 200yrs ago, Any woman 18yrs and not married is probably an outcast. Many married from 13yrs to men over 30yrs

Do you admit that all your ancestors are perverts and child molesters?

Today slavery is a crime, 600yrs ago Slavery was not a crime, it was the accepted norm in all cultures. Most of us living today were either descedants of slaves or slave owners

Jodera:
Calling someone a paedophile when he isn't during his/her time is an insult. Big insult to be honest.

If you eat cow meat and a law is passed that people who eat beef are called killers. You'll be very angry if everyday a small boy is calling you a serial killer cos of meat you ate while you're young.

Now do you understand context and the insults?

donjazet:
Please don't lose sight of initial point, so that we don't keep diverting.
My bone of contention initially is not even from the standpoint of judging the action but knowing whether rightfully describing a person's actions qualifies one to be killed.
I don't know if you understand?

Sleeping with a child is called pedophilia and rape. This point is not debatable. We're not arguing the morality or the judgement here. Just naming an action. Or is there something else we should call it?

I mean if someone did take something that didn't belong to him which we know the name for that is theft. Should we be punished for rightly calling the offender a thief?

CAPdan21:
I think I've said this before but it bears repeating...Your problem is that you think everyone have to live up to your own moral standard of what is right which is just a shortcut to extremism and fanaticism...That was how you a started a One man charade towards Roman until plenty people got annoyed and called you out on it...Where others use religion, you always try to impose your opinions and morals backed up by mostly irrelevant scientific positions on others... You're not even different from Am.oto that you like to call out

Ibime:
In a medieval time where life expectancy will be 30 to 40, any woman wey never push out two pikin by age 20 is on her own. You hardly hear of people meeting their grandparents then

BabaJ just dey overstress the matter. Menstruation was usually the signal of sexual maturity in those days.

Jodera:
Calling someone a paedophile when he isn't during his/her time is an insult. Big insult to be honest.

If you eat cow meat and a law is passed that people who eat beef are called killers. You'll be very angry if everyday a small boy is calling you a serial killer cos of meat you ate while you're young.

Now do you understand context and the insults?